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2013-03-28 04:03:21 PM  

theurge14: Looks like Mexico has achieved the sort of "anti-government tyranny" situation the NRA types dream about.

BojanglesPaladin: This would have never happened if Mexico had gun control laws.
/ ....

Mexico does have stricter gun control laws.  But thanks to the relaxed gun laws in states like Arizona, Mexican cartels have US citizens purchase arms in the US and then smuggle them across the border.  The Mexican President has even publicly stated that the expiration of the US 2004 Assault Weapons Ban is directly linked to the increased violence thanks to assault weapons making their way south of the border.  A quick Google can bring up many articles on this.


Then the Mexican President is an idiot. The 2004 Assault Weapon Ban didn't actually ban the sale of semi-auto rifles or high cap mags. All of that shiat was available then. that's when i bought my AK.

But really, who needs American straw purchasers when the american gov't  seems fine with shiping a couple thousand weapons into Mexico. Just call Holder, he got you.
 
2013-03-28 04:03:23 PM  

Caffandtranqs: The Stealth Hippopotamus: No, they have the cool super villain names

I need someone to translate

This one always made me laugh, "La Barbie."  The guy is called La Barbie...not so cool or scary for that matter.


www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk
 
2013-03-28 04:04:12 PM  
^hot, obv
 
2013-03-28 04:04:48 PM  
Yay for utter madness borne from the War on Drugs!
 
2013-03-28 04:08:49 PM  

theurge14: Mexico does have stricter gun control laws.  But thanks to the relaxed gun laws in states like Arizona, Mexican cartels have US citizens purchase arms in the US and then smuggle them across the border.  The Mexican President has even publicly stated that the expiration of the US 2004 Assault Weapons Ban is directly linked to the increased violence thanks to assault weapons making their way south of the border.  A quick Google can bring up many articles on this.


And it's a butt-load of crap.

At most, 36% of the guns seized in Mexico can be traced to the US, and just because they can be traced to the US doesn't mean that they were sold *COMMERCIALLY* here:  Some could well be guns that were manufactured here, sold overseas, and ultimately found their way to Mexico.

Check out pictures of the weaponry seized:   Often, you'll see actual military hardware (grenades, actual for-real machine guns) that isn't commonly available for retail sale in the US.
 
2013-03-28 04:13:19 PM  
What I am curious about regarding Mexico is how much government money is spent on the general welfare of the public like health and schools?  For example from the revenues raised from Mexico's oil insdustry and the American factories which have relocated there.  Does a lot of the revenue go to the public sector for stuff like health, education, and a form of a "safety net"; or is most of it kept in the private sector and is supposed to "trickle down" through "capitalism", in order to accomplish what are seen as "general welfare" needs?
 
2013-03-28 04:14:00 PM  

Mikey1969: hasty ambush: Mikey1969: Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

And that, my friends,is why vigilantism is a bad, BAD idea...

Except government has admitted it is unable to do its job so what is the alternative?

I don't know, but I don't think it's civilians with no training that can't distinguish between turistas and Cartel members...


The alternative is to lay down arms and leave their fates in the hands of the cartel itself.
There aren't words to describe how bad of an option that is after you've stood against them.

/The vigilantes are balls deep till the government unfarks itself and sends backup.
/That may never happen.
 
2013-03-28 04:14:44 PM  

SithLord: ristst: Man I was in getting a new set of tires, and I saw some documentary on a hispanic gang, I think they're called something like the 17.  Damned scary stuff.

The initiation was gnarly....you get pounded ruthlessly by the gang for 17 seconds.

Longer than you lasted with subby's mom.

\I keed


Now that's a dirty rumor...and it's completely untrue.  I'll have you know I lasted a full 47 seconds.

/my personal best
//subby's mom isn't exactly a looker, so that works kinda like "thinking of baseball"
///still needed bowl of Wheaties afterwards
 
2013-03-28 04:15:17 PM  

dittybopper: At most, 36% of the guns seized in Mexico can be traced to the US, and just because they can be traced to the US doesn't mean that they were sold *COMMERCIALLY* here: Some could well be guns that were manufactured here, sold overseas, and ultimately found their way to Mexico.


Correct not sold commercially, often person to person but regardless the trafficking in weapons is there.

dittybopper: Check out pictures of the weaponry seized: Often, you'll see actual military hardware (grenades, actual for-real machine guns) that isn't commonly available for retail sale in the US.


Yes, often weapons manufactured here that are then shipped legally through legal supply chains to other countries where they are then either modified (semi into auto, etc..) and any ability to trace removed. They are then trafficked to the various hot spots around the world including places like Mexico.

We make A LOT of weapons that end up in very bad places and the channels that this happens are many and wide. To ignore that would be putting your head in the sand.

Now, can we theoretically do anything about it? Well that's a good question and worth a debate.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:15 PM  
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I am El Nino, which is Spanish for......the Nino....
 
2013-03-28 04:16:18 PM  

sodomizer: Don't get uppity, USA. You're next.


Prove it.
 
2013-03-28 04:16:24 PM  
Sólo a pie.
www.craveonline.com

 
2013-03-28 04:17:47 PM  

Dahnkster: The Stealth Hippopotamus: No, they have the cool super villain names

I need someone to translate


Jefe de Jefes = Boss of Bosses
El Barbas = The Beards
El Botas Blancas = The White boots
La Muerte = The Death
El Ingeniero = The Engineer
El Mas Loco = The Craziest
El Chayo = Common Spanish term for 'rosario'. The Rosary
El Profe = The Professor or The Teacher
El Chango = The Monkey
El Tío = The Uncle
El Chapo = Shorty
El Mayo = Month of May
El Nacho = The Nacho
El Padrino = The Godfather
El Azul = The Blue
El Tres Letras = The Three Letters
El Lazca = The Turk
El Verdugo = The Executioner
El Lalo = The Most or The Excessive
El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out
El Alamo = The Poplar
El Bronce = The Bronze or The Brass
El Pitirijas = The Dude
El Cuarenta = The 40
Goyo = Is often diminutive for Greg or Gregorio
Panchito = Little Francis

De nada


ooh ooh, I have one:
El Nino = The Nino
 
2013-03-28 04:26:10 PM  

ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.

The ignorance is strong in this one.
 
2013-03-28 04:27:03 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: This would have never happened if Mexico had gun control laws.
/ ....


It is kinda funny now the gun grabbers don't usually say a peep about the 50000 people died in "gun free" Mexico.  (Isn't that about the same that died in 10 years of the Iraqi war)
What they have south of the boarder is an insurrection.  Basically the government can no longer project their power (enforce their laws) in the north half of the country.  When the last Mexican president was elected I knew he would lose the war because he was treating it like a police action.  The only way to win an insurrection is to do two things to the local civilians. 1: gain their trust, 2: break their fear of the bad guys.  Last time I was in Mexico the locals scattered when the federals drove by.  Strike one.  And the feds can't provide security everywhere so without a gun in normal civilian hands there is no way for them to protect themselves... Strike two, the government lost.  Now the only way for the civilians to gain some security is revolution.   Those are never easy or rarely bloodless.  Locally this will be reported as vigilantes.  Personally, I hope it gains momentum, spreads to a larger area and they win (not likely but it is nice to imagine them winning against all odds)

echomike23: beretta ar 70/90 and a ruger 10/22...interesting.

You fight a war with the weapons you have, not the ones you would like to have.
Besides, a .22 does have good penetration, you just have to be careful with your shot placement  :-)
 
2013-03-28 04:29:21 PM  

Death Whisper: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.
The ignorance is strong in this one.


Given that teabaggers have actually done just that, not so ignorant as one thinks. At least two or three teabagger vigilante groups, like the Minutemen, "assisting" with border patrol.
 
2013-03-28 04:30:31 PM  
Lollipop165: I thought that subby was exaggerating.

Um, where were you a few weeks ago when they put about a half dozen bodies in chairs and put signs up on them?

Or when they were having a gun battle with police while jumping from rooftop to rooftop?
 
2013-03-28 04:34:05 PM  
Might I suggest Mercenaries


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4.bp.blogspot.com
www.mexat.com
 
2013-03-28 04:34:57 PM  
"Can you swing a sack of knobs?"
 
2013-03-28 04:35:04 PM  

Death Whisper: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.
The ignorance is strong in this one.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-28 04:36:36 PM  
Silent But Deadly:
ooh ooh, I have one:
El Nino = The Nino


Welcome to the party, pal.
 
2013-03-28 04:37:45 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: spacelord321: It wasn't just the drug war. We share the blame for allowing our corporations to close shop and move to Mexico, where they could pay the Mexicans next to nothing and toss them out on their asses when they became too old. It really is disgusting what we have helped do to their country.

Can you explaoim how more industry and jobs (even if crappy ones) caused rampant violence, police corruption, warlord drug cartels and a near total descent into bloody chaos?

Not defending the companies, but destabilization is counter to their own interests too. I'm, not sure you aren't confusing correlation with causation, so could you please explain how auto factories and manufacturing facilities  caused this?

/And also who is this "we"?


Perhaps my emphasis came off as being focused on the wrong part. The jobs would have been great if it actually would have given them a future. Instead they were worked in slave like conditions, and tossed out on their asses when they were in their 40s, with no compensation, their best years behind them, and nothing saved. As the subsequent generation of youths witnessed this, the cartels became the obvious choice. Jobs are good, when the wealth created reaches the people. This was not the case for a large majority of them.

Over generalizations must be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but I'm not writing a book just making a point that the drug war is not the only factor.
 
2013-03-28 04:38:12 PM  

dittybopper: Check out pictures of the weaponry seized:


Also our State Department gives the Mexican military and police forces military weapons "to help fight the Drug Cartel" but a lot of these weapons get set to local cops that are in the pay of the local drug cartel.  Oops.
 
2013-03-28 04:39:31 PM  

hasty ambush: Might I suggest Mercenaries


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Sounds like these guys would be more their speed:
www.imfdb.org
"Sew, very old woman! Sew like the wind!
 
2013-03-28 04:39:59 PM  

oldfarthenry: Face it - if these guys were white Faux News & Sheriff Joe would be handing out medals & ice cream cones to these "patriots".


You're a farkin idiot
 
2013-03-28 04:40:28 PM  

Nadie_AZ: BojanglesPaladin: spacelord321: It wasn't just the drug war. We share the blame for allowing our corporations to close shop and move to Mexico, where they could pay the Mexicans next to nothing and toss them out on their asses when they became too old. It really is disgusting what we have helped do to their country.

Can you explaoim how more industry and jobs (even if crappy ones) caused rampant violence, police corruption, warlord drug cartels and a near total descent into bloody chaos?

Not defending the companies, but destabilization is counter to their own interests too. I'm, not sure you aren't confusing correlation with causation, so could you please explain how auto factories and manufacturing facilities  caused this?

/And also who is this "we"?

Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

Free Trade isn't about better wages. It is about taking advantage of lower wages in one place to create a product that sells for cheaper in the other place.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2013-03-28 04:41:58 PM  

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Mikey1969: Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

And that, my friends,is why vigilantism is a bad, BAD idea...

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Absolutely.  Leave it to the professionals.

Still don't want a bunch of vigilantes running around. Doesn't mean that I don't think a lot of police departments need their ranks thinned a LOT and some mandatory training implemented.


You would if you lived in Mexico.
 
2013-03-28 04:43:01 PM  

Calmamity: Coming soon to a town near you, America... fu*k yeah.

But by all means, let's continue the drug war, for-profit prisons, for-profit healthcare, failing to fund the infrastructure of the country and the upward flow and concentration of wealth


9 posts in. That's an eternity for the farkwits at Fark by comparison. Of COURSE it's America's fault! And these people would likely be mild-mannered farmers or artists if it wasn't for our EEEEEVIL drug war!

Newsflash: this is the behavior that keeping drugs outlawed PREVENTS, not causes.
 
2013-03-28 04:46:45 PM  

Treygreen13: BojanglesPaladin: Nadie_AZ: Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

I can appreciate that hypothetical, but how well does it comport with reality? Mexico's economy has been a complete shiathole for decades and decades, and I vaguely recall that over the last decade or so, it has been improving a little. What you describe is a textbook anti-capitalism scenario. Not that it isn't true or doesn't happen, but I think we are better off making sure that supposition matches reality. I am not an expert on the Mexican economy, so I am open to additional information before I draw a conclusion regarding economic consequences.

I would also be interested to see median and average per capita income levels in Mexico over the last decade as well as any cost of living increase or inflation.

Lastly, you have not shown how this has CAUSED an uptick in violence at the level and type that we have seen/

Who cares? It doesn't matter the cause or what effect it has - it is just another opportunity for farkers to blame Republicans/Democrats/Socialists/Fundies/Pinko/Commies/Hipsters. It's a never ending stream of blame that will never solve anything and doesn't serve any purpose other than to let some of the most outspoken Farkers pontificate to each other in the goal to maybe one day hold dominion over the entire shallow, pointless conversation.


Such an intelligent contribution yourself.

Pot, meet kettle.
 
2013-03-28 04:46:48 PM  

elgrancerdo: A couple of corrections:
Mayo = Nickname for Margarito
Nacho = Nickname for Ignacio
Lalo = Nickname for Eduardo
Panchito = Little Frank

De nada otra vez


Gracias. Yo soy el gringo.
 
2013-03-28 04:56:00 PM  

spacelord321: Treygreen13: BojanglesPaladin: Nadie_AZ: Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

I can appreciate that hypothetical, but how well does it comport with reality? Mexico's economy has been a complete shiathole for decades and decades, and I vaguely recall that over the last decade or so, it has been improving a little. What you describe is a textbook anti-capitalism scenario. Not that it isn't true or doesn't happen, but I think we are better off making sure that supposition matches reality. I am not an expert on the Mexican economy, so I am open to additional information before I draw a conclusion regarding economic consequences.

I would also be interested to see median and average per capita income levels in Mexico over the last decade as well as any cost of living increase or inflation.

Lastly, you have not shown how this has CAUSED an uptick in violence at the level and type that we have seen/

Who cares? It doesn't matter the cause or what effect it has - it is just another opportunity for farkers to blame Republicans/Democrats/Socialists/Fundies/Pinko/Commies/Hipsters. It's a never ending stream of blame that will never solve anything and doesn't serve any purpose other than to let some of the most outspoken Farkers pontificate to each other in the goal to maybe one day hold dominion over the entire shallow, pointless conversation.

Such an intelligent contribution yourself.

Pot, meet kettle.


There are vigilantes pulling people out of cars and shooting tourists, drug cartels beheading people and leaving their body parts in the market as a message, and our neighbor to the south is embroiled in a bloody internal struggle. But the Fark thread is immediately "Well if the Republicans/Democrats/TeaParty/Mormons..."

Seriously, it's farked up how easily you morons immediately turn to your political affiliations the second you read anything. Like there's some sort of butthurt lottery that you'll win if you're the most offended by your opposing interest. Get the fark over yourselves.

/rant
 
2013-03-28 04:59:17 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I am not an expert on the Mexican economy,


Nor am I but my wife has family in Nogales.  Before about 2007 they where doing ok.   Most people had jobs at the factories or stores that catered to American tourists.  Then three things happened at the same time;
1:  Americans needed a passport to cross.  Nobody is going to spend $100 and wait weeks to get a stupid passport just to buy crappy Chinese trinkets and cheap booze.  Thus Tourism Collapsed (I counted on one street, 17 out of 20 of the old curio shops where replaced or just shut down and abandoned.)
2:  The American Economy went into a tail spin so the factories started to "contract" their employees.  That is, they basically had to reapply for their job ever paycheck. They also halved their time.  Note, one cousin made about $50 a week before and it dropped to about $30.  Don't talk to me about minimum wage until you feed your wife and kid on $30 a week.
3:  American started making all our corn into Ethanol.  This trickled down to raise corn tortilla prices about double. Locals eats corn tortillas in every meal.
 
2013-03-28 05:11:26 PM  
Amnesty Now!
 
2013-03-28 05:13:35 PM  
Good lord there are a lot of stupid, self-righteous, self-centered, self-loathing people in this thread.

Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.
- believes these "vigilantes" (I'd just call them people defending their town because no one else will) should surrender their guns to their local honest police department.
- believes Americans don't need the 2A because the current level of corruption is ok and will stay the same into perpetuity.
- wants drugs to be legalized so they can smoke all the pot and coke they want; believes giving big pharma the green light to sell recreational drugs is a good idea
- oddly enough, believes big tobacco is evil
- believes that "4/5 smugglers are american citizens" BS. that's because those folks can't exactly flee into Mexico, can they? nor can the Border patrol go running into Mexico to nab the teams of smugglers on the other side of the fence. not to mention they are smuggling IN, not out...
 
2013-03-28 05:13:37 PM  
No cool villain names, but also no bondage/bezerker from Beastmaster/gay punk rock football slave outfits either.

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-03-28 05:14:43 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Because the cops over there cannot be trusted.  They are criminals themselves who have been caught on video allowing gangsters to do their work.  Because the prosecutors never prosecute the right people.  Because the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom.


And this is different from the USA how, exactly?  Other than the lack of video tape, because our cops are so corrupt that they've actually made it illegal to expose their corruption on film?
 
2013-03-28 05:14:50 PM  

Primum: Google "Acapulco skinned head" to see a nice photograph or three:

Man's completely skinned head, two severed forearms arranged on each side (one hand holding his severed penis and scrotum)
The word "metra" spelled out on sidewalk with human entrails
Men's head skins draped over a sidewalk queue pole
A bunch of other human giblets strewn about

There is straight-up Aztec shiat going on south of the border


that's nothing.... back in the day of the Aztecs and all the other Indian tribes, when one group captures another or when they raid rival villages etc they would force the husband/father to watch as the raiding party violently rape his wife and daughter...then proceed to force the wife and kids to watch as they torture him in ways we can't even imagine. As if that is not bad enough they would finally cut the dude open while he is still alive and have his family eat his organs etc!!!

After that they are taken back to the villages and force to become slaves for the rest of their short life.

What we are seeing today is just modern interpretation of the same stuff by the descendants of these tribes..
 
2013-03-28 05:15:05 PM  
It's too bad we spent trillions destroying Iraq when we could have spent that building up Mexico. The benefits for the United States would have been extraordinary.
 
2013-03-28 05:15:18 PM  

duenor: Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.


What do people believe?
 
2013-03-28 05:16:22 PM  
So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?
 
2013-03-28 05:18:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?


I don't get the fixation of 'over there' when there is plenty of crap over here that needs tending to.
 
2013-03-28 05:18:24 PM  
Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.
 
2013-03-28 05:20:24 PM  

NephilimNexus: Caffandtranqs: Because the cops over there cannot be trusted.  They are criminals themselves who have been caught on video allowing gangsters to do their work.  Because the prosecutors never prosecute the right people.  Because the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom.

And this is different from the USA how, exactly?  Other than the lack of video tape, because our cops are so corrupt that they've actually made it illegal to expose their corruption on film?


No, not the same, dude.  You have not spent much time in Mexico, have you?  When I did drugs back in the '90s I spent lots of time in Juarez.  Just trust me, it is definitely not the same.
 
2013-03-28 05:21:21 PM  

duenor: Good lord there are a lot of stupid, self-righteous, self-centered, self-loathing people in this thread.

Sheep
- believes Mexican cartels would find themselves helplessly disarmed if Americans lost their gun rights.
- believes these "vigilantes" (I'd just call them people defending their town because no one else will) should surrender their guns to their local honest police department.
- believes Americans don't need the 2A because the current level of corruption is ok and will stay the same into perpetuity.
- wants drugs to be legalized so they can smoke all the pot and coke they want; believes giving big pharma the green light to sell recreational drugs is a good idea
- oddly enough, believes big tobacco is evil
- believes that "4/5 smugglers are american citizens" BS. that's because those folks can't exactly flee into Mexico, can they? nor can the Border patrol go running into Mexico to nab the teams of smugglers on the other side of the fence. not to mention they are smuggling IN, not out...


I love a good strawman argument as much as the next guy, but you just started fabricating entire threads just now. Tone that imagination down before you hurt yourself.
 
2013-03-28 05:30:14 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Hey, you want to know what would really knock the cartels down a peg?

Legalization.


You think the cartels would just... stop?
 
2013-03-28 05:32:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?



Starting a "police action" in Mexico would be the biggest clusterfark this country has ever embarked on. You have all the asymmetrical warfare we've come to love from Iraq and Afghanistan with the added bonus that 7 million undocumented, potential enemy combatants already live in our country. There would be violence in every city in America due to it. Plus, America would get a front row seat to the horrors of war for the first time since the civil war. As a matter of fact, it might as well by the catalyst for a new civil war in America. Can you imagine our civil liberties remaining intact? Can you imagine the war being fought without horrifying atrocities on American citizens by both sides?


Without hyperbole, it could literally unravel our society.
 
2013-03-28 05:33:08 PM  
what do you mean, now?
 
2013-03-28 05:35:21 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Gyrfalcon: So howcome everyone who's all hot to invade Best Korea because of all their problems isn't so anxious to invade Mexico because of same?


Starting a "police action" in Mexico would be the biggest clusterfark this country has ever embarked on. You have all the asymmetrical warfare we've come to love from Iraq and Afghanistan with the added bonus that 7 million undocumented, potential enemy combatants already live in our country. There would be violence in every city in America due to it. Plus, America would get a front row seat to the horrors of war for the first time since the civil war. As a matter of fact, it might as well by the catalyst for a new civil war in America. Can you imagine our civil liberties remaining intact? Can you imagine the war being fought without horrifying atrocities on American citizens by both sides?


Without hyperbole, it could literally unravel our society.


Plus a group of angry North Koreans can't hop in a truck and take a short ride to Laredo to start killing and maiming people.

/not that it makes a war with North Korea a good idea
//but it's much easier to go bomb the crap out of people who can't really get to your population centers in an Astro van
 
2013-03-28 05:36:56 PM  

randomjsa: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.

My first thought, too

/I'm sure Michele Bachmann is taking notes

This just in... neither of you tools have any idea what the Tea Party is all about.

But if you're looking for a bunch of violent thugs fighting with the cops? Gee, does that make me think of the Tea Party... or OWS? Hrm. Let me check the arrest records at the events...


If you aren't arrested at a protest, you didn't care enough.

/raised by former hippy protestors-- Civil Rights era
//if it's not civil disobedience your "free speech" doesn't make a difference
///you know you're making a difference when the feds infiltrate your group and try to get you to kill other federal agents
////rebellious fourth slashie
 
2013-03-28 05:40:01 PM  

MonoChango: BojanglesPaladin: I am not an expert on the Mexican economy,

Nor am I but my wife has family in Nogales.  Before about 2007 they where doing ok.   Most people had jobs at the factories or stores that catered to American tourists.  Then three things happened at the same time;
1:  Americans needed a passport to cross.  Nobody is going to spend $100 and wait weeks to get a stupid passport just to buy crappy Chinese trinkets and cheap booze.  Thus Tourism Collapsed (I counted on one street, 17 out of 20 of the old curio shops where replaced or just shut down and abandoned.)
2:  The American Economy went into a tail spin so the factories started to "contract" their employees.  That is, they basically had to reapply for their job ever paycheck. They also halved their time.  Note, one cousin made about $50 a week before and it dropped to about $30.  Don't talk to me about minimum wage until you feed your wife and kid on $30 a week.
3:  American started making all our corn into Ethanol.  This trickled down to raise corn tortilla prices about double. Locals eats corn tortillas in every meal.


Show me an american without a passport and I'll show you someone who is closed-minded.
 
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