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2013-03-28 03:04:13 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-28 03:06:21 PM
Don't get uppity, USA. You're next.
 
2013-03-28 03:06:49 PM

theurge14: Mexico does have stricter gun control laws. But thanks to the relaxed gun laws in states like Arizona, Mexican cartels have US citizens purchase arms in the US and then smuggle them across the border. The Mexican President has even publicly stated that the expiration of the US 2004 Assault Weapons Ban is directly linked to the increased violence thanks to assault weapons making their way south of the border. A quick Google can bring up many articles on this.


Yeah, but those guns are ILLEGAL!

So how do all these mexicans keep getting them?

Next you will tell me that ILLEGAL drugs are pouring across the border from Mexico into the US and Americans are buying them and our President has said that there is a direct link between that and all this violence!

(Someone should have passed a better law!)
 
2013-03-28 03:08:08 PM
I'm incredibly encouraged to see the vigilantes have access to assault rifles and black guns in tactical kit(folding stocks, hi cap mags). This really an advantage for them; or at least, having AR and AK clones at the ready lets them more ably fight back against the cartel.

Good thing those kinds of weapons weren't outlawed in Mexico, like they were in the US.
 
2013-03-28 03:09:33 PM

BojanglesPaladin: spacelord321: It wasn't just the drug war. We share the blame for allowing our corporations to close shop and move to Mexico, where they could pay the Mexicans next to nothing and toss them out on their asses when they became too old. It really is disgusting what we have helped do to their country.

Can you explaoim how more industry and jobs (even if crappy ones) caused rampant violence, police corruption, warlord drug cartels and a near total descent into bloody chaos?

Not defending the companies, but destabilization is counter to their own interests too. I'm, not sure you aren't confusing correlation with causation, so could you please explain how auto factories and manufacturing facilities  caused this?

/And also who is this "we"?


Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

Free Trade isn't about better wages. It is about taking advantage of lower wages in one place to create a product that sells for cheaper in the other place.
 
2013-03-28 03:10:46 PM
Speaking of Mad Max, I watched the first one while I was in the hospital Monday, talk about a bad movie. Any Australian farkers that can tell me what that ugly red station wagon he had was?
 
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2013-03-28 03:10:53 PM

BojanglesPaladin: This would have never happened if Mexico had gun control laws.
/ ....


Mexico actually has extremely strict gun control laws. There was a fark article of some American sentenced to jail for years because he crossed the border with an antique gun in his car. And he only crossed the border because he needed to turn around on the highway in a truck (I think the agents told him to just cross the border, turn around, and come back). .
 
2013-03-28 03:11:10 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Yeah, but those guns are ILLEGAL!

So how do all these mexicans keep getting them?

Next you will tell me that ILLEGAL drugs are pouring across the border from Mexico into the US and Americans are buying them and our President has said that there is a direct link between that and all this violence!

(Someone should have passed a better law!)


Winna winna fried chicken dinna
 
2013-03-28 03:12:49 PM
Man I was in getting a new set of tires, and I saw some documentary on a hispanic gang, I think they're called something like the 17.  Damned scary stuff.

The initiation was gnarly....you get pounded ruthlessly by the gang for 17 seconds.
 
2013-03-28 03:13:44 PM

dittybopper: Mikey1969: Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

And that, my friends,is why vigilantism is a bad, BAD idea...

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Absolutely.  Leave it to the professionals.


Still don't want a bunch of vigilantes running around. Doesn't mean that I don't think a lot of police departments need their ranks thinned a LOT and some mandatory training implemented.
 
2013-03-28 03:13:46 PM

BojanglesPaladin: So how do all these mexicans keep getting them?


Because somebody keeps making them.

/and then selling them
 
2013-03-28 03:14:36 PM
The problem in Mexico isn't that they have lax gun laws, or that those laws don't work.  It's that law enforcement in Mexico is really, REALLY spotty.
 
2013-03-28 03:15:02 PM
Google "Acapulco skinned head" to see a nice photograph or three:

Man's completely skinned head, two severed forearms arranged on each side (one hand holding his severed penis and scrotum)
The word "metra" spelled out on sidewalk with human entrails
Men's head skins draped over a sidewalk queue pole
A bunch of other human giblets strewn about

There is straight-up Aztec shiat going on south of the border
 
2013-03-28 03:19:22 PM

BojanglesPaladin: theurge14: Mexico does have stricter gun control laws. But thanks to the relaxed gun laws in states like Arizona, Mexican cartels have US citizens purchase arms in the US and then smuggle them across the border. The Mexican President has even publicly stated that the expiration of the US 2004 Assault Weapons Ban is directly linked to the increased violence thanks to assault weapons making their way south of the border. A quick Google can bring up many articles on this.

Yeah, but those guns are ILLEGAL!

So how do all these mexicans keep getting them?

Next you will tell me that ILLEGAL drugs are pouring across the border from Mexico into the US and Americans are buying them and our President has said that there is a direct link between that and all this violence!

(Someone should have passed a better law!)


Not sure what your point is here.  Laws are useless?
 
2013-03-28 03:21:27 PM
Two vatos enter, one vato leaves.
 
2013-03-28 03:23:25 PM
 

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No, they have the cool super villain names

I need someone to translate



Jefe de Jefes = Boss of Bosses
El Barbas = The Beards
El Botas Blancas = The White boots
La Muerte = The Death
El Ingeniero = The Engineer
El Mas Loco = The Craziest
El Chayo = Common Spanish term for 'rosario'. The Rosary
El Profe = The Professor or The Teacher
El Chango = The Monkey
El Tío = The Uncle
El Chapo = Shorty
El Mayo = Month of May
El Nacho = The Nacho
El Padrino = The Godfather
El Azul = The Blue
El Tres Letras = The Three Letters
El Lazca = The Turk
El Verdugo = The Executioner
El Lalo = The Most or The Excessive
El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out
El Alamo = The Poplar
El Bronce = The Bronze or The Brass
El Pitirijas = The Dude
El Cuarenta = The 40
Goyo = Is often diminutive for Greg or Gregorio
Panchito = Little Francis

De nada
 
2013-03-28 03:23:46 PM
They're brown and they have oil

/what are we waiting for?
 
2013-03-28 03:23:56 PM

willfullyobscure: I'm incredibly encouraged to see the vigilantes have access to assault rifles and black guns in tactical kit(folding stocks, hi cap mags). This really an advantage for them; or at least, having AR and AK clones at the ready lets them more ably fight back against the cartel.

Good thing those kinds of weapons weren't outlawed in Mexico, like they were in the US.


I'm not too concerned about having to defend myself or family from cartels.  The benefit of living in the US
 
2013-03-28 03:24:59 PM

ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.


Because the cops over there cannot be trusted.  They are criminals themselves who have been caught on video allowing gangsters to do their work.  Because the prosecutors never prosecute the right people.  Because the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.

My first thought, too

/I'm sure Michele Bachmann is taking notes


Your first thought was stupid.
 
2013-03-28 03:25:26 PM

ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.


Their justification is that the police and gov officials are on the cartel payrolls.  I don't think a situation like that has any political leaning.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:36 PM

LL316: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.

My first thought, too

/I'm sure Michele Bachmann is taking notes

Your first thought was stupid.


Who asked you?
 
2013-03-28 03:27:59 PM

Nadie_AZ: Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.


I can appreciate that hypothetical, but how well does it comport with reality? Mexico's economy has been a complete shiathole for decades and decades, and I vaguely recall that over the last decade or so, it has been improving a little. What you describe is a textbook anti-capitalism scenario. Not that it isn't true or doesn't happen, but I think we are better off making sure that supposition matches reality. I am not an expert on the Mexican economy, so I am open to additional information before I draw a conclusion regarding economic consequences.

I would also be interested to see median and average per capita income levels in Mexico over the last decade as well as any cost of living increase or inflation.

Lastly, you have not shown how this has CAUSED an uptick in violence at the level and type that we have seen/
 
2013-03-28 03:29:27 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: They're brown and they have oil

/what are we waiting for?


The end of lettuce picking season.
 
2013-03-28 03:32:03 PM
What you're telling me is that the "Don't go to Mexico" rule is still in effect then?
 
2013-03-28 03:33:01 PM

Dahnkster:  The Stealth Hippopotamus: No, they have the cool super villain names

I need someone to translate


Jefe de Jefes = Boss of Bosses
El Barbas = The Beards
El Botas Blancas = The White boots
La Muerte = The Death
El Ingeniero = The Engineer
El Mas Loco = The Craziest
El Chayo = Common Spanish term for 'rosario'. The Rosary
El Profe = The Professor or The Teacher
El Chango = The Monkey
El Tío = The Uncle
El Chapo = Shorty
El Mayo = Month of May
El Nacho = The Nacho
El Padrino = The Godfather
El Azul = The Blue
El Tres Letras = The Three Letters
El Lazca = The Turk
El Verdugo = The Executioner
El Lalo = The Most or The Excessive
El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out
El Alamo = The Poplar
El Bronce = The Bronze or The Brass
El Pitirijas = The Dude
El Cuarenta = The 40
Goyo = Is often diminutive for Greg or Gregorio
Panchito = Little Francis

De nada


A couple of corrections:
Mayo = Nickname for Margarito
Nacho = Nickname for Ignacio
Lalo = Nickname for Eduardo
Panchito = Little Frank

De nada otra vez
 
2013-03-28 03:33:35 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ShawnDoc: I don't know, sound like Tea Party heaven. Who needs police and prosecutors, we'll just form our own vigilante group.

My first thought, too

/I'm sure Michele Bachmann is taking notes


This just in... neither of you tools have any idea what the Tea Party is all about.

But if you're looking for a bunch of violent thugs fighting with the cops? Gee, does that make me think of the Tea Party... or OWS? Hrm. Let me check the arrest records at the events...
 
2013-03-28 03:33:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No, they have the cool super villain names

I need someone to translate


This one always made me laugh, "La Barbie."  The guy is called La Barbie...not so cool or scary for that matter.
 
2013-03-28 03:34:40 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Nadie_AZ: Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

I can appreciate that hypothetical, but how well does it comport with reality? Mexico's economy has been a complete shiathole for decades and decades, and I vaguely recall that over the last decade or so, it has been improving a little. What you describe is a textbook anti-capitalism scenario. Not that it isn't true or doesn't happen, but I think we are better off making sure that supposition matches reality. I am not an expert on the Mexican economy, so I am open to additional information before I draw a conclusion regarding economic consequences.

I would also be interested to see median and average per capita income levels in Mexico over the last decade as well as any cost of living increase or inflation.

Lastly, you have not shown how this has CAUSED an uptick in violence at the level and type that we have seen/


Who cares? It doesn't matter the cause or what effect it has - it is just another opportunity for farkers to blame Republicans/Democrats/Socialists/Fundies/Pinko/Commies/Hipsters. It's a never ending stream of blame that will never solve anything and doesn't serve any purpose other than to let some of the most outspoken Farkers pontificate to each other in the goal to maybe one day hold dominion over the entire shallow, pointless conversation.
 
2013-03-28 03:34:49 PM

Dahnkster: El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out


Wouldn't this be more like "The Fixer"?
 
2013-03-28 03:36:44 PM

violentsalvation: At what point will we formally declare Mexico a failed state? Corruption is everywhere, public officials who cannot be corrupted are killed. There is no free press because journalists who actually report their civil war are killed. Over six years, estimates up to 100,000 dead, 1.6 million displaced refugees. All for an unwinnable drug war.

Can anyone tell me if whatever substance you or your friends favor has seen a jump in price or reduced availability over the last six years? People I know who use have told me no, but that might be because my proximity to the border.


The United States has a bad habit of funding those creating civil wars:  Mexico, Syria, Egypt, Libya.
 
2013-03-28 03:37:48 PM

This text is now purple: Dahnkster: El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out

Wouldn't this be more like "The Fixer"?


No, this would be the fixer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yuDM3tyHI
 
2013-03-28 03:38:56 PM
lasnoticiasmexico.com
We need him now more than ever...
 
2013-03-28 03:40:25 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Nadie_AZ: Mexico had a lot of smaller, local economies. You could go buy your goods from each other. Prices were low, wages were low. But all necessities were met. Enter Big Corporation. It wipes out the farms, the small local vendors and replaces them with One Company that pays a bit better, but then the people in these places can no longer buy the necessities they could before. So their better pay becomes useless- and worse the items they need are more expensive now. So you get movements to the cities and the border in order to find a better life.

I can appreciate that hypothetical, but how well does it comport with reality? Mexico's economy has been a complete shiathole for decades and decades, and I vaguely recall that over the last decade or so, it has been improving a little. What you describe is a textbook anti-capitalism scenario. Not that it isn't true or doesn't happen, but I think we are better off making sure that supposition matches reality. I am not an expert on the Mexican economy, so I am open to additional information before I draw a conclusion regarding economic consequences.

I would also be interested to see median and average per capita income levels in Mexico over the last decade as well as any cost of living increase or inflation.

Lastly, you have not shown how this has CAUSED an uptick in violence at the level and type that we have seen/


Well, if I can no longer feed my family, what am I going to do? Look for an opportunity to do so. However, I think that has led to people moving to the cities (and creating those huge shanty like towns) or going North. I know drug cartels attract young adult men because they figure they'd rather have a few years of living a good life versus living a long life of crushing poverty.

As for an uptick in violence- didn't that coincide with the previous President's decision to use force against the cartels?

Mexico's history is like others in Latin America- you've got a caste type system in place with those in power near the top, a small middle class and lots of poor people.
 
2013-03-28 03:40:51 PM

ristst: Man I was in getting a new set of tires, and I saw some documentary on a hispanic gang, I think they're called something like the 17.  Damned scary stuff.

The initiation was gnarly....you get pounded ruthlessly by the gang for 17 seconds.


Longer than you lasted with subby's mom.

\I keed
 
2013-03-28 03:41:11 PM
I know conservatives hate to hear this kind of thing, but examples like this from Mexico and other shiatholes around the world demonstrate why a strong centralized government is vital for protecting people's freedom. Not TOO strong, mind you, but right there in the sweet spot like a lot of western nations have found.

Or we could say screw the government and just arm everyone to the teeth so they can "protect themselves," in which case you've essentially got Somalia.
 
2013-03-28 03:41:38 PM

Carn: What you're telling me is that the "Don't go to Mexico" rule is still in effect then?


Especially after the seven dead men showed up today sitting on plastic chairs.  How thoughtful of the killers.
 
2013-03-28 03:42:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I need someone to translate


I don't know much Spanish, but most of them seem rather mundane.

dl.dropbox.com

/Granted they seem more intimidating when the guy is posing next to a half dozen severed heads.
 
2013-03-28 03:44:30 PM
t2.gstatic.com
"Yo soy el coche fantástico! Soy una inyección de combustible suicidio máquina!"
 
2013-03-28 03:46:12 PM

fireclown: Members of the area's self-described "community police" say more than 1,500 members of the force were stopping traffic Wednesday at improvised checkpoints in the town of Tierra Colorado, which sits on the highway connecting Mexico City to Acapulco.

1,500?  That's about two battalions.  That's not a gang, that's an effing army.


Or about 1 and half Marine Rifle Battalions but hwo is counting.
 
2013-03-28 03:48:25 PM

ThePastafarian: This text is now purple: Dahnkster: El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out

Wouldn't this be more like "The Fixer"?

No, this would be the fixer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yuDM3tyHI


japanesenostalgiccar.com
 
2013-03-28 03:48:28 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: I know conservatives hate to hear this kind of thing, but examples like this from Mexico and other shiatholes around the world demonstrate why a strong centralized government is vital for protecting people's freedom. Not TOO strong, mind you, but right there in the sweet spot like a lot of western nations have found.

Or we could say screw the government and just arm everyone to the teeth so they can "protect themselves," in which case you've essentially got Somalia.


I don't think anyone reasonable is so much against a central government that they think the government shouldn't be able to move against bands of drug lords murdering their way across the country.

What you present is a false choice. Either stronger government powers, or lawless wandering vigilante brigades.
 
2013-03-28 03:48:32 PM

Mikey1969: Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

And that, my friends,is why vigilantism is a bad, BAD idea...


Except government has admitted it is unable to do its job so what is the alternative?
 
2013-03-28 03:49:12 PM
TFA was way too serious, so...

The Mexican Maid
 
The Mexican maid asked for a pay increase.
The wife was very upset about this and decided to talk to her about the raise.
She asked, "Now Maria, why do you want a pay increase?"
Maria: "Well, Señora, there are tree reasons why I wanna increaze. The first is that I iron betterthan you."
Wife: "Who said you iron better than me?"
Maria: "Jor huzban he say so."
Wife: "Oh yeah?"
Maria: "The second reason eez that I am a better cook than you."
Wife: "Nonsense, who said you were a better cook than me?"
Maria: "Jor hozban did"
Wife increasingly agitated: "Oh he did, did he?"
Maria: "The third reason is that I am better at sex than you in the bed."
Wife, really boiling now and through gritted teeth asks, "And did my husband say that as well?"
Maria: "No Señora The gardener did."
.
.
Wife: "So how much do you want?"


/De nada.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:40 PM

way south: /Granted they seem more intimidating when the guy is posing next to a half dozen severed heads.


Half a dozen severed heads will add gravitas to anyone.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:12 PM

Wrath of Heaven: ThePastafarian: This text is now purple: Dahnkster: El Alineador = The Aligner or The Guy Who Straightens Things Out

Wouldn't this be more like "The Fixer"?

No, this would be the fixer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2yuDM3tyHI

[japanesenostalgiccar.com image 850x361]


I bow to you, sir.  Well done.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:37 PM

dabbletech: /De nada.


I enjoyed that way too much.
 
2013-03-28 04:00:22 PM

orclover: [t2.gstatic.com image 263x192]
"Yo soy el coche fantástico! Soy una inyección de combustible suicidio máquina!"


lol, first thing i though of when i read coche fantastico
www.oldblokesonbikes.co.uk

i always get a kick out of what shows are called when translated to spanish

a-team= los magnificos
little house on the prarie = la familia ingalls
airwolf = lobo del aire
star trek = viaje a las estrellas
 
2013-03-28 04:02:39 PM

echomike23: airwolf = lobo del aire


Honestly, that just sounds cool to me.
 
2013-03-28 04:02:40 PM

hasty ambush: Mikey1969: Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

And that, my friends,is why vigilantism is a bad, BAD idea...

Except government has admitted it is unable to do its job so what is the alternative?


I don't know, but I don't think it's civilians with no training that can't distinguish between turistas and Cartel members...
 
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