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(Miami Herald)   State trooper lets speeding legislator off the hook with just a warning. Legislator has him fired anyway   (miamiherald.com) divider line 107
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2013-03-28 03:35:14 PM  

vudukungfu: treesloth: Nadie_AZ: Second - who keeps their insurance in their wallet?

I do.

I keep mine bundled with my registration and license in a pocket in the VISOR, and can get it out with my hands up, and put them on the dash, and keep my farking hands up before the cop makes it to my window.
the window is down,m y papers are in front of me and my hands are exposed.

Ex cop.


upload.wikimedia.org

You'd think VISORs would come with storage capacity in the 24th century, but no! Vehicles have advanced to the point of storing insurance data in the starship computer.
 
2013-03-28 03:35:33 PM  
McBurney, a former prosecutor, insisted he was not driving 87 mph because he set his cruise control to 75 mph, and he did not appreciate the trooper's special treatment.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/27/3310004/lawmaker-complains-abou t -getting.html#storylink=cpy
So he admits to breaking the law.  He deserves a ticket.
 
2013-03-28 03:36:52 PM  
What the hell is up with the "Read more here..." stuff that was added to the quoted text?
 
2013-03-28 03:38:00 PM  
I've never needed proof of insurance to rent a car.
 
2013-03-28 03:40:50 PM  
I don't think McBurney is going to be very popular around the old state house once FHP starts giving all of his buddies tickets.
 
2013-03-28 03:42:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Second - who keeps their insurance in their wallet?


I keep my insurance and registration in my wallet. I usually ride my motorcycle so it's the best place to put it. Nobody else drives my vehicles so it doesn't need to be in the car, and I don't leave home without my wallet because it has very important things in it that I may need.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Trooper Charles Swindle, a six-year veteran of the Florida Highway Patrol, is appealing his

Second - who keeps their insurance in their wallet?


I travel a lot and rent often.  Why wouldn't I want to keep it in my wallet?
 
2013-03-28 03:49:25 PM  

big pig peaches: You do realize police give regular citizens "breaks" like that all the time? Usually you get a seat belt ticket.


They give us a "break" by giving us a no-point violation.  And the reason they are "Nice" is that usually the County gets the money for a no-point violation and not the state.  So they are "nice" so they can line the coffers of the jurisdiction that is paying them.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:56 PM  
Where is this police officer's union? Insisting that he not get terminated?

Cops beat the shiat out of law-abiding citizens and do other ridiculous things, and some police union insists on keeping those guys on the streets. Where is the union to chime in on this incident?
 
2013-03-28 03:56:27 PM  

vudukungfu: treesloth: Nadie_AZ: Second - who keeps their insurance in their wallet?

I do.

I keep mine bundled with my registration and license and a $20 in a pocket in the VISOR, and can get it out with my hands up, and put them on the dash, and keep my farking hands up before the cop makes it to my window.
the window is down,m y papers are in front of me and my hands are exposed.

Ex cop.



Fixed for certain jurisdictions
 
2013-03-28 03:58:24 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "I set my cruise control to 75" is a valid defense? I plan to try that out tonight.

I'll be sure to wave to everyone as the news choppers get footage of the PA State Police mercilessly pummeling me on the interstate as I scream "BUT MY CRUISE CONTRAAAAAIIIEEEEEEEE MY SKULL BONE!!!!"


csb...

A former work associate of mine received a speeding ticket in Tampa. He and I went down for work when he had his trial. Prior to his case there was a case where a man was accused of traveling something like 75 MPH in a 55 zone. The man presented evidence his car was governed at 65 so he couldn't have been traveling 75. During the officer's testimony he stated he observed the vehicle, estimated it was traveling at 68 then radar'd him at 75. The judge, upon receiving the evidence of the governor, asked the officer to confirm he "visually estimated" the speed at 68. The officer did, so the judge convicted the guy of 68 in a 55 based on the officer's visual estimate! In contravention of the evidence presented! I about fell out of my seat in disbelief - I couldn't believe that would actually happen in a court in this country. Florida tag, indeed.

We've got it easy in Pennsylvania when it comes to speeding - only state troopers have radar, have to be in stationary mode, no local police on interstates, codified 9+ MPH leeway from the locals (our locals generally won't stop you until you're at 16+ over anyway), and anyone who would reference a "visual estimate" would be laughed out of the courtroom.

/csb, i know
//my work friend won as the officer in his case didn't show
 
2013-03-28 04:03:41 PM  

FloydA: Thanks for fixing the headline.  Apostrophe abuse should be a death-penalty offence.


Thank's
 
2013-03-28 04:10:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: In fact, it's ridiculously simple to get a special issue tag for almost any cause. All you have to do is have the design approved and have 1000 people willing to commit to it's purchase.

Yes, some tags have special meaning, like Emergency or judicial, but there are hundreds of specialist plates out there.



dcplates.com

I want diplomat tags for my vehicles. Lots of "special privileges" and immunities attached.

Who do I write to get these, "hardinparamedic"?
 
2013-03-28 04:10:42 PM  

osnap: I've never needed proof of insurance to rent a car.


Not sure if you do or don't. However, it allows me to get a discount unless I have some sort of coupon.
 
2013-03-28 04:15:05 PM  

Amos Quito: hardinparamedic: In fact, it's ridiculously simple to get a special issue tag for almost any cause. All you have to do is have the design approved and have 1000 people willing to commit to it's purchase.

Yes, some tags have special meaning, like Emergency or judicial, but there are hundreds of specialist plates out there.


[dcplates.com image 280x161]

I want diplomat tags for my vehicles. Lots of "special privileges" and immunities attached.

Who do I write to get these, "hardinparamedic"?


1000words1000days.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-28 04:17:38 PM  
Using a radar gun, Swindle clocked McBurney going 87 in a 70 mph zone. He let the lawmaker go with a warning, fining him $10 for lacking proof of insurance, without asking for the proof that was in McBurney's wallet.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/27/3310004/lawmaker-complains-abou t -getting.html#storylink=cpy


Isn't the standard spiel "I'll need your license, registration, and proof of insurance, please,"
 
2013-03-28 04:24:42 PM  
Got a little mileage out of that...
 
2013-03-28 04:25:19 PM  

aircraftkiller: You'd think VISORs would come with storage capacity in the 24th century, but no! Vehicles have advanced to the point of storing insurance data in the starship computer


Why does that negro have a mopar air filter on his face?
 
2013-03-28 04:29:55 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "I set my cruise control to 75" is a valid defense? I plan to try that out tonight.

I'll be sure to wave to everyone as the news choppers get footage of the PA State Police mercilessly pummeling me on the interstate as I scream "BUT MY CRUISE CONTRAAAAAIIIEEEEEEEE MY SKULL BONE!!!!"


I've tried this, it did not work. Judge says "Well you should probably get your cruise control fixed then. That'll be $175 plus court cost. Next"
 
2013-03-28 04:32:55 PM  

Mad Scientist: Shoot them.  Shoot them both.


This
 
2013-03-28 04:39:15 PM  
As a black guy who has never, and I mean never gotten out of a ticket I am not laughing at all.  If you stop someone, there should be a ticket, every time.  I am tired of this crap.  There also needs to be video of every stop, every time the lights come on.
 
2013-03-28 04:39:51 PM  
This happened all the time when I was in Illinois--there's a state law that says State Reps and Senators cannot be detained when the house is in session (I guess the original intent was that if someone had to rush to vote on something important, they need to be able to drive as fast as they want and not be stopped for political reasons by say, a county Sheriff of a different political party).  Assholes would slap their "legislator" license plates on and drive like the Daytona 500.  Heaven help the State Trooper or local cop dumb enough to pull them over.
 
2013-03-28 04:40:49 PM  
The price of (semi-) integrity for the worker bees and the one-way nature of loyalty in the minds of the elite, done in one.
 
2013-03-28 04:41:52 PM  

Brostorm: As a black guy who has never, and I mean never gotten out of a ticket I am not laughing at all.  If you stop someone, there should be a ticket, every time.  I am tired of this crap.  There also needs to be video of every stop, every time the lights come on.


virtually all in-car video systems activate automatically when overhead lights are turned on.

(and yes, I know there are a couple bad apple cops who somehow always end up with malfunctions in their systems)
 
2013-03-28 04:55:13 PM  
Okay, I call bull hockey.  If he wasn't being stopped for speeding because 'his cruise control was set at 75' why didn't they, when the officer said he was writing a ticket for not having an insurance card, just produce the insurance card.

And I won't lie and say I haven't, in the far off past, broken the speed limit by that amount or gone that fast- in fact I once got a ticket for 47 in a 30, and I've had my car up in the mid 80's on a 75, but 87 is really cruising.  You should get a ticket at 87 mph in a 70.
 
2013-03-28 05:00:03 PM  
In some states, the lawmakers have exempted themselves from speed limits.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Lawmakers here in PA have been known to try and cite this passage from the state constitution when nailed while speeding:

"The members of the General Assembly shall in all cases, except treason, felony, violation of their oath of office, and breach of surety of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the sessions of their respective Houses and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House they shall not be questioned in any other place."

 
2013-03-28 05:01:25 PM  

Jack's Smirking Revenge: But if you drive through Madison County that fast, how will you be able to appreciate its bridges?

/seriously, Madison County, FL is one of this state's many known speed traps
//only a politician or cop would think he could speed through there and not get pulled over.


This time a million. Everyone knows about Madison County.
 
2013-03-28 05:03:23 PM  

osnap: I've never needed proof of insurance to rent a car.


That is between you and your car rental company.  But if you get pulled over while driving a rental car the cop is going to want to see your proof of insurance.  The requirement for insurance isn't to protect your car or the car you are renting.  The cops could care less if you destroy your car.  You are required to have liability insurance that will cover a minimum amount of damage that you might do to someone else.  That covers you in any car that you happen to be driving.  That is why it should be in your wallet.
 
2013-03-28 05:04:02 PM  

big pig peaches: You do realize police give regular citizens "breaks" like that all the time? Usually you get a seat belt ticket.


Only if you're young, blond, busty and can fake being both flirty & stupid.
 
2013-03-28 05:05:48 PM  

base935: Where is this police officer's union? Insisting that he not get terminated?

Cops beat the shiat out of law-abiding citizens and do other ridiculous things, and some police union insists on keeping those guys on the streets. Where is the union to chime in on this incident?


Do you think the head of the union is having lunch with:
A shiat-beaten average citizen
or
B state legislator
 
2013-03-28 05:10:03 PM  

Basket Case: osnap: I've never needed proof of insurance to rent a car.

That is between you and your car rental company.  But if you get pulled over while driving a rental car the cop is going to want to see your proof of insurance.  The requirement for insurance isn't to protect your car or the car you are renting.  The cops could care less if you destroy your car.  You are required to have liability insurance that will cover a minimum amount of damage that you might do to someone else.  That covers you in any car that you happen to be driving.  That is why it should be in your wallet.


This is completely logical and the way I have always understood it to work as well. However, if that's really the justification for liability insurance, why don't we require proof of insurance to get a driver's license?
 
2013-03-28 05:12:35 PM  

HoratioGates: Okay, I call bull hockey.  If he wasn't being stopped for speeding because 'his cruise control was set at 75' why didn't they, when the officer said he was writing a ticket for not having an insurance card, just produce the insurance card.

And I won't lie and say I haven't, in the far off past, broken the speed limit by that amount or gone that fast- in fact I once got a ticket for 47 in a 30, and I've had my car up in the mid 80's on a 75, but 87 is really cruising.  You should get a ticket at 87 mph in a 70.


Wtf is "bull hockey"?
 
2013-03-28 05:14:29 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: HoratioGates: Okay, I call bull hockey.  If he wasn't being stopped for speeding because 'his cruise control was set at 75' why didn't they, when the officer said he was writing a ticket for not having an insurance card, just produce the insurance card.

And I won't lie and say I haven't, in the far off past, broken the speed limit by that amount or gone that fast- in fact I once got a ticket for 47 in a 30, and I've had my car up in the mid 80's on a 75, but 87 is really cruising.  You should get a ticket at 87 mph in a 70.

Wtf is "bull hockey"?


It's like horse puckey but thicker
 
2013-03-28 05:14:37 PM  

samiam00: McBurney, a former prosecutor, insisted he was not driving 87 mph because he set his cruise control to 75 mph, and he did not appreciate the trooper's special treatment.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/27/3310004/lawmaker-complains-abou t -getting.html#storylink=cpy
So he admits to breaking the law.  He deserves a ticket.


Oh, it's even better than that. In his letter demanding the trooper's firing, he complains that:

1. He wasn't speeding because he was doing 87 in a 70 zone and he had his cruise control set to 75.
2. He "didn't appreciate" the trooper's conduct and was worried he'd do the same to other law-abiding citizens (like what, giving them a break?!)
3. He's mad because he "didn't ask [the trooper] to give him any breaks." (so presumably it would have been okay if he HAD asked for one?)

I'm not sure what this asshole is upset about: That he got caught speeding; or that he got a break when he didn't ask for one; or that his excuse of having his cruise control set for 5 mph over the speed limit wasn't a good enough excuse. Or what. He sounds demented.
 
2013-03-28 05:21:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure what this asshole is upset about: That he got caught speeding; or that he got a break when he didn't ask for one; or that his excuse of having his cruise control set for 5 mph over the speed limit wasn't a good enough excuse. Or what. He sounds demented.


Trying to wrap my head around it too. He sounds like the type of person who, upon being caught in a compromised position with a goat, would claim he was just checking the animal for scoliosis
 
2013-03-28 05:22:15 PM  
What the shiat is with FL? in most states you can beat a person to death and get paid leave. This is about the lamest police firing I've ever seen.
 
2013-03-28 05:29:47 PM  
Expect to see a whole bunch of politicans in that state get traffic tickets now.  The police don't like you farking with one of their own (regardless of whether it was legal or not).  They will institute collective punishment.
 
2013-03-28 05:39:24 PM  

vudukungfu: treesloth: Nadie_AZ: Second - who keeps their insurance in their wallet?

I do.

I keep mine bundled with my registration and license in a pocket in the VISOR, and can get it out with my hands up, and put them on the dash, and keep my farking hands up before the cop makes it to my window.
the window is down,m y papers are in front of me and my hands are exposed.

Ex cop.


I keep mine in a pistol holster under the seat.
 
2013-03-28 05:48:49 PM  

Brostorm: As a black guy who has never, and I mean never gotten out of a ticket I am not laughing at all.  If you stop someone, there should be a ticket, every time.  I am tired of this crap.  There also needs to be video of every stop, every time the lights come on.


Do you think you don't get out of them because you're a black male? I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely curious.

I am a black female living in Redneck-istan, and I have a rainbow sticker on my car. I received one ticket in the past five times I was pulled over, and that was dismissed because the cop wrote down the wrong name on it. I didn't fight the ticket; the city returned my check to me with a note that they'd dismissed the ticket due to his error.

What may help me is that I am always incredibly polite and immediately apologetic when I get pulled over. I am usually well dressed and drive a nice car, too, which probably doesn't hurt.

/I also have Veteran plates on my car, so that might help, but I'm sure my rainbow sticker cancels them out.
 
2013-03-28 05:54:15 PM  
Wow, Lack of proof of insurance is only $10.00?    Here it can be up to $450.00 to forget your insurance card.
 
2013-03-28 06:00:25 PM  

MrBentor: Wow, Lack of proof of insurance is only $10.00?    Here it can be up to $450.00 to forget your insurance card.


Can't you just go to the tax collector and show them your insurance card? I've never heard of someone having to pay a fine for not having their card on them, as long as they show proof within 30 days or so.
 
2013-03-28 06:13:34 PM  
If that cop had a brain he would change his name. It's like a mayor having the name "I. M. Crook".
 
2013-03-28 06:29:30 PM  
Plenty of weapons-grade stupid to go around, in that article.
 
2013-03-28 07:25:04 PM  
So cops get away with lying, cheating, murdering, stealing, and everything else under the Sun, but the SECOND they give a $10 ticket to a worthless congressman, they get fired?

Makes sense, I guess.
 
2013-03-28 07:29:24 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure what this asshole is upset about: That he got caught speeding; or that he got a break when he didn't ask for one; or that his excuse of having his cruise control set for 5 mph over the speed limit wasn't a good enough excuse. Or what. He sounds demented.

Trying to wrap my head around it too. He sounds like the type of person who, upon being caught in a compromised position with a goat, would claim he was just checking the animal for scoliosis


And then when they said "Oh, okay, sorry," would be furious that they didn't ask to see his veterinary certificate.
 
2013-03-28 07:37:16 PM  

big pig peaches: You do realize police give regular citizens "breaks" like that all the time? Usually you get a seat belt ticket.


Yup, or you get a warning ticket that doesn't mean anything really other than slow down.  I think it depends on whether or not you're a jerk and/or the kind of day they're having.  This applies more to local agencies though because they have better things to do than waste their time on paperwork for traffic tickets.
 
2013-03-28 07:41:44 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: MrBentor: Wow, Lack of proof of insurance is only $10.00?    Here it can be up to $450.00 to forget your insurance card.

Can't you just go to the tax collector and show them your insurance card? I've never heard of someone having to pay a fine for not having their card on them, as long as they show proof within 30 days or so.


In FL you have 30 days.  I know of people who called their insurance company while at the stop and put the cop on the phone to verify the insurance.
 
2013-03-28 09:37:15 PM  

reductive: Why do legislators need special plates anyway?


Because they are special and should be riding in short school buses.
 
2013-03-28 09:46:08 PM  

base935: Where is this police officer's union? Insisting that he not get terminated?

Cops beat the shiat out of law-abiding citizens and do other ridiculous things, and some police union insists on keeping those guys on the streets. Where is the union to chime in on this incident?


A nice, liberal state like Florida has probably made it illegal for police to have a union. For our safety.
 
2013-03-28 10:56:16 PM  

edmo: A nice, liberal state like Florida has probably made it illegal for police to have a union. For our safety.


Uh, no.
 
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