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(Slate)   Adderall makes you smarter, but is it cheating?   ( divider line
    More: Obvious, Adderall, David Plotz, Nora Volkow, doctor's visit, ADHD  
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8163 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Mar 2013 at 8:21 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-03-28 08:39:16 AM  
3 votes:
We hired a kid straight out of school. Top of his class. Very smart. But we gave him a couple tasks and let him to it. The first task he finished right away and we knew we had made a great hire. But the second task just kept dragging on and on. Whenever we asked him about it he said he was still working on it, but it wasn't ready to merge into the main branch. We didn't push him too much on schedule since he was way ahead of time with the first and wasn't slipping at all on the second.

Finally about halfway through the original schedule for the second task I had his manager go find out what was going on. The first task was completed so quickly, but the second seemed to have become a black hole. He asks the kid what's going on and the kid fesses up that he hadn't made much progress because he didn't quite understand the technology and was unclear of the spec. He had the spec, it just wasn't clear to him what it meant.

His manager explained to him that this wasn't school anymore. No one is going to call him on cheating for asking someone else for help, copying code from somewhere else, or taking the difficult part to a manager or teammate. School is about learning how to do something, but business is about doing it, and there's no half credit for effort.

So the kid had learned a big lesson, I hope, that day. School places all sorts of artificial restrictions on students to prevent someone from faking their way to a diploma. Businesses don't care how you solve a problem, only that it is solved.

In the same, isn't the use of Adderall to improve concentration a reasonable thing for adults to do? Putting aside the health effects of taking the drug, there's nothing obviously wrong with taking a drug that improves concentration or increases mental acuity. Those that would say that we shouldn't augment our capabilities in such a way are stuck thinking about life as if it were a school and "cheating" was something to be avoided because of the damage to the pupil. But why handicap ourselves in the real world by refraining from such drugs? It doesn't make sense to hold ourselves back.
2013-03-28 09:28:34 AM  
2 votes:
I would never ever use Adderall or other ADHD drug to modify my concentration- that's just wrong.

Now let me get back to my second cup of tea this morning.  Caffeine is awesome!  It helped me quit smoking and just use e-cigarettes so all I get is the pure nicotine.   They do keep me up too late at night sometimes, but a couple of beers or glasses of wine (and some melatonin) fix that. I just have to be careful since they can mess with the St. John's Wort and Ginko Balboa pills I take, and they give me headaches which are almost too much for Advil.

But Adderall?  Never!
2013-03-28 09:21:04 AM  
2 votes:
It's a side effect of our performance based culture. It's not good enough to be good or even great. You have to be the best. It's equivalent to steroids in sports. Imagine if you miss out on a good job because you can't put in the 18 hour days that someone cracked to the gills with performance enhancing drugs can do. Americans don't accept our limitations as individuals very well.

I imagine that soon there will be some individuals that will co-opt the automatic insulin machines to continually dose themselves. They will not have done it naturally, but they will be the best and therefore rewarded.
2013-03-28 08:28:26 AM  
2 votes:
If adderal would help subby link to the single page I would support his use of it.

single page
2013-03-28 01:04:47 PM  
1 vote:
AverageAmericanGuy:  Businesses don't care how you solve a problem, only that it is solved.

Putting aside the health effects of taking the drug

Which the business will gladly do.
It ain't about cheating.  It's worse than that.  It's about a corporation balancing your health against their profits.  Something they're notoriously bad at--that is, if you're the one who has to die or become an addict.

Worker takes pills to get-r-done; company says "good worker; you come back anytime we got a job for you, my friend!"  Worker dies in the plant; tox screen shows speed; company says "Violation of drug policy.  No money to widow.  No fine from OSHA.  Position available."

THIS is why absolutely no farking way in hell should this even be contemplated.
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2013-03-28 10:40:20 AM  
1 vote:
I went through at least five different medications before my doctor gave me Adderall - the immediate two preceding it were Provigil (Didn't do anything) and Ritalin (bad reaction).  I'd rather not be on it myself, but since damn near nothing else works, here we are.

Then again, we like our far superior health care system here, so I guess I'll keep dealing with having to get handwritten scripts every month from pharmacies with limited supplies (so I'll probably have to call 2-3 to find it after I pick it up) because other doctors are jumping straight to Adderall because why not, it's what the college kid wants anyway.

I take Provigil for MS fatigue and I had to jump through so many hoops to get it approved by insurance it's insane. My docs say I need it, my body definitely needs it, but getting it through insurance because of abuse. All you farkers taking this stuff because it feels good are screwing it up for those of us that need it.
2013-03-28 09:53:31 AM  
1 vote:

GungFu: Ok, I'm convinced!

Where can I get me some Adderall big brain juice in the UK?

Our socialist government death panels haven't approved it. You can get amphetamines (Adderall, is simply a brand name for amphetamines) prescribed for ADHD, but only if methylphenidate (Ritalin) fails to help. British doctors are a bit more reluctant to throw stimulants at their patients - the medication is only supposed to be temporary and combined with therapy.

Your best bet would be to find yourself a reliable speed dealer.

/Remember kids, Adderall = speed
// I've got nothing against drugs, but people should really know what they are taking
2013-03-28 08:55:23 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-03-28 08:41:10 AM  
1 vote:
Regardless of whether it's cheating or illegal, daily long term use of addictive drugs probably isn't a good idea.
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