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2013-03-28 08:05:36 AM
The law draws a bright line between the use of Adderall by people with ADHD and by those without. For the former, it's therapy. For the latter, it's felony drug abuse, punishable by up to a month in jail.

benzadrex FOOL.  it's like the power of meth but without all dirty illegal quality that makes you go out and commit crimes neverending cause if i break the law once i might as well keep doing it
 
2013-03-28 08:28:17 AM
My brother in law was a meth head, his doc switched him to adderall.

Good news, he no longer takes meth

Bad news, he abuses adderall now
 
2013-03-28 08:28:26 AM
If adderal would help subby link to the single page I would support his use of it.

single page
 
2013-03-28 08:30:03 AM
It is a LEGAL medication and therefore beneficial to people. These pharmaceutical companies would not be allowed to help mankind if this weren't true. Drugs are a poor man's attempt to self medicate whereas Adderall, Paxil, Zoloft, Xanax, et al are medically proven to improve lives. The latter supersedes the former which is specifically WHY they are legal.
 
2013-03-28 08:31:17 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: The law draws a bright line between the use of Adderall by people with ADHD and by those without. For the former, it's therapy. For the latter, it's felony drug abuse, punishable by up to a month in jail.


Of course, anybody who wants to be diagnosed with ADHD is able to do so very easily.
 
2013-03-28 08:32:14 AM
Needed by fewer than are prescribed it.  People just know how to work the system.
 
2013-03-28 08:32:44 AM
And here I am drinking a can of Monster like a sucker in the vain hope that I can get some work done today.  Shiat tastes awful, but it works.  Kind of.  I'm still farking instead of working.
 
2013-03-28 08:37:23 AM
I just hope we can finally start discriminating against ADHD drug users. Put down the dubstep, assholes, back away from the glowsticks and go to sleep.
 
2013-03-28 08:39:16 AM
We hired a kid straight out of school. Top of his class. Very smart. But we gave him a couple tasks and let him to it. The first task he finished right away and we knew we had made a great hire. But the second task just kept dragging on and on. Whenever we asked him about it he said he was still working on it, but it wasn't ready to merge into the main branch. We didn't push him too much on schedule since he was way ahead of time with the first and wasn't slipping at all on the second.

Finally about halfway through the original schedule for the second task I had his manager go find out what was going on. The first task was completed so quickly, but the second seemed to have become a black hole. He asks the kid what's going on and the kid fesses up that he hadn't made much progress because he didn't quite understand the technology and was unclear of the spec. He had the spec, it just wasn't clear to him what it meant.

His manager explained to him that this wasn't school anymore. No one is going to call him on cheating for asking someone else for help, copying code from somewhere else, or taking the difficult part to a manager or teammate. School is about learning how to do something, but business is about doing it, and there's no half credit for effort.

So the kid had learned a big lesson, I hope, that day. School places all sorts of artificial restrictions on students to prevent someone from faking their way to a diploma. Businesses don't care how you solve a problem, only that it is solved.

In the same, isn't the use of Adderall to improve concentration a reasonable thing for adults to do? Putting aside the health effects of taking the drug, there's nothing obviously wrong with taking a drug that improves concentration or increases mental acuity. Those that would say that we shouldn't augment our capabilities in such a way are stuck thinking about life as if it were a school and "cheating" was something to be avoided because of the damage to the pupil. But why handicap ourselves in the real world by refraining from such drugs? It doesn't make sense to hold ourselves back.
 
2013-03-28 08:40:46 AM
My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.
 
2013-03-28 08:41:10 AM
Regardless of whether it's cheating or illegal, daily long term use of addictive drugs probably isn't a good idea.
 
2013-03-28 08:43:05 AM

spentmiles: My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.


God, I hope that wasn't your dominant eye.
 
2013-03-28 08:46:41 AM
Ok, I'm convinced!

Where can I get me some Adderall big brain juice in the UK?
 
2013-03-28 08:53:14 AM

Alonjar: Jon iz teh kewl: The law draws a bright line between the use of Adderall by people with ADHD and by those without. For the former, it's therapy. For the latter, it's felony drug abuse, punishable by up to a month in jail.

Of course, anybody who wants to be diagnosed with ADHD is able to do so very easily.


So says the Farker who issues criminal accusations without cause.
 
2013-03-28 08:54:30 AM

spentmiles: My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.


This story was slightly less coherent than the last story that I read from you, but it nonetheless nearly provoked an emotional response from me.
 
2013-03-28 08:55:23 AM
sharetv.org
 
2013-03-28 09:13:15 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Good news, he no longer takes meth

Bad news, he abuses adderall now


That's extremely good news and not-that-bad bad news.
 
2013-03-28 09:20:00 AM
No it doesn't. Adderall makes it easier for you to follow the rules and complete an assigned task. It's nothing to do with making you smarter, and everything to do with zonking your personality out to the point you think its a good idea to complete the moronic schoolwork, sheeple.

Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time.
 
2013-03-28 09:21:04 AM
It's a side effect of our performance based culture. It's not good enough to be good or even great. You have to be the best. It's equivalent to steroids in sports. Imagine if you miss out on a good job because you can't put in the 18 hour days that someone cracked to the gills with performance enhancing drugs can do. Americans don't accept our limitations as individuals very well.

I imagine that soon there will be some individuals that will co-opt the automatic insulin machines to continually dose themselves. They will not have done it naturally, but they will be the best and therefore rewarded.
 
2013-03-28 09:21:45 AM
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really? 18 comments in... Fark I am disappoint
 
2013-03-28 09:25:58 AM

willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time.


Spoken like someone who never took any challenging classes.
 
2013-03-28 09:28:34 AM
I would never ever use Adderall or other ADHD drug to modify my concentration- that's just wrong.

Now let me get back to my second cup of tea this morning.  Caffeine is awesome!  It helped me quit smoking and just use e-cigarettes so all I get is the pure nicotine.   They do keep me up too late at night sometimes, but a couple of beers or glasses of wine (and some melatonin) fix that. I just have to be careful since they can mess with the St. John's Wort and Ginko Balboa pills I take, and they give me headaches which are almost too much for Advil.

But Adderall?  Never!
 
2013-03-28 09:36:08 AM

willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time


What did you study?

When I was an undergrad I built a robot, designed a rudimentary solar power sytem (woudln't have workd, but failing is part of learning), adn had a number of other open ended projects that had nothing to do with rote learning.
 
2013-03-28 09:39:19 AM
FTFA:

The evidence is pretty clear that these are potent stimulants," says Craig Rush...

Craig Rush. Professor Rush knows his stimulants!

/rush
//concert hall
 
2013-03-28 09:42:06 AM

spentmiles: My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.


Ha! I read straight through to the umpire's ocular cavity until I looked at the name on the post.

/i was strangely relieved
 
2013-03-28 09:47:47 AM
I grew up precribed Adderal and Ritalin and did not really enjoy taking them.  I think what annoyed me the most was the thought that they would turn me into a well behaved child.  I think it bothered me the most when they asked if i had taken my meds when i had.  Making me think if you can not tell why the hell am i taking them.   Thought using them once in a while to focus on a paper is fine having them all time just turns you into a zombie at night.
 
2013-03-28 09:50:09 AM
I've got no problem at all if some drug or other can make you shaved apes a little more capable.
 
2013-03-28 09:53:31 AM

GungFu: Ok, I'm convinced!

Where can I get me some Adderall big brain juice in the UK?


Our socialist government death panels haven't approved it. You can get amphetamines (Adderall, is simply a brand name for amphetamines) prescribed for ADHD, but only if methylphenidate (Ritalin) fails to help. British doctors are a bit more reluctant to throw stimulants at their patients - the medication is only supposed to be temporary and combined with therapy.

Your best bet would be to find yourself a reliable speed dealer.

/Remember kids, Adderall = speed
// I've got nothing against drugs, but people should really know what they are taking
 
2013-03-28 09:58:24 AM
Slate is the new Ric Romero
 
2013-03-28 10:02:55 AM
spentmiles: bleh stuff.


Meh. Decent enough try I guess, maybe it is too early in the morning, but it made me yawn.
 
2013-03-28 10:10:31 AM
Half the people I know in law school were on some serious adderall binges, most of whom did not really need it. In fact, only one of my friends who took adderall really needed it, but he was so ADD that he would drift off mid-sentence and start playing with my phone in the middle of the conversation. And that was while he was medicated.
 
2013-03-28 10:15:21 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: The law draws a bright line between the use of Adderall by people with ADHD and by those without. For the former, it's therapy. For the latter, it's felony drug abuse, punishable by up to a month in jail.


Since any boy can get diagnosed as being ADHD, all you need to do is plan ahead a little and you can use the stuff legally for the rest of your life.
 
2013-03-28 10:16:22 AM

RexTalionis: Half the people I know in law school were on some serious adderall binges, most of whom did not really need it. In fact, only one of my friends who took adderall really needed it, but he was so ADD that he would drift off mid-sentence and start playing with my phone in the middle of the conversation. And that was while he was medicated.


"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...Oooh, Shiny!"
 
2013-03-28 10:18:15 AM
As someone with narcolepsy who actually needs adderall and who can't reliably work or drive if there's shortages of it, f--k all ya'll abusers.  Seriously.


Bad_Seed: Our socialist government death panels haven't approved it. You can get amphetamines (Adderall, is simply a brand name for amphetamines) prescribed for ADHD, but only if methylphenidate (Ritalin) fails to help. British doctors are a bit more reluctant to throw stimulants at their patients - the medication is only supposed to be temporary and combined with therapy.

Your best bet would be to find yourself a reliable speed dealer.

/Remember kids, Adderall = speed
// I've got nothing against drugs, but people should really know what they are taking


jesus effing CHRIST, this.

I went through at least five different medications before my doctor gave me Adderall - the immediate two preceding it were Provigil (Didn't do anything) and Ritalin (bad reaction).  I'd rather not be on it myself, but since damn near nothing else works, here we are.

Then again, we like our far superior health care system here, so I guess I'll keep dealing with having to get handwritten scripts every month from pharmacies with limited supplies (so I'll probably have to call 2-3 to find it after I pick it up) because other doctors are jumping straight to Adderall because why not, it's what the college kid wants anyway.
 
2013-03-28 10:24:27 AM

liam76: willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time

What did you study?

When I was an undergrad I built a robot, designed a rudimentary solar power sytem (woudln't have workd, but failing is part of learning), adn had a number of other open ended projects that had nothing to do with rote learning.


I'm sure you learned a lot, and maybe even had a good time, but you did the same curriculum and the same work 100s of others before you did, and it wasn't a feat of intellectual firepower, no offense.


Rincewind53: willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time.

Spoken like someone who never took any challenging classes.


Straights As are a measure of how hard you work and little else, with very, very few exceptions. Any school teacher or undergraduate professor will tell you this. The coursework is not designed to weed out the dumb, but rather the unmotivated or the unconventional This is assuming an IQ slightly above "lukewarm", of course, there's definitely a case to made for voc school for the below average.

But "Smarts" don't really come into play until you're doing original research. Its a fact.
 
2013-03-28 10:28:40 AM

willfullyobscure: liam76: willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time

What did you study?

When I was an undergrad I built a robot, designed a rudimentary solar power sytem (woudln't have workd, but failing is part of learning), adn had a number of other open ended projects that had nothing to do with rote learning.

I'm sure you learned a lot, and maybe even had a good time, but you did the same curriculum and the same work 100s of others before you did, and it wasn't a feat of intellectual firepower, no offense


Never claimed it was.  But nor was it "rote or stupid".  Many would say it wasn't easy (I drank a lot in college and didn't have a problem so I am not going to argue that point).

I noticed you didn't answer the question.  what was yoru undergrad and graduate work in?
 
2013-03-28 10:39:25 AM
Adderall does nothing for me.  Ritalin makes me bounce off the walls though.
 
2013-03-28 10:40:20 AM
StreetlightInTheGhetto:
I went through at least five different medications before my doctor gave me Adderall - the immediate two preceding it were Provigil (Didn't do anything) and Ritalin (bad reaction).  I'd rather not be on it myself, but since damn near nothing else works, here we are.

Then again, we like our far superior health care system here, so I guess I'll keep dealing with having to get handwritten scripts every month from pharmacies with limited supplies (so I'll probably have to call 2-3 to find it after I pick it up) because other doctors are jumping straight to Adderall because why not, it's what the college kid wants anyway.


I take Provigil for MS fatigue and I had to jump through so many hoops to get it approved by insurance it's insane. My docs say I need it, my body definitely needs it, but getting it through insurance because of abuse. All you farkers taking this stuff because it feels good are screwing it up for those of us that need it.
 
2013-03-28 10:47:27 AM

liam76: willfullyobscure: liam76: willfullyobscure: Newsflash: all schoolwork until you are doing independent graduate research, is rote, stupid and easy. All of it. If you have a problem with your schoolwork, you have brain damage or your subconscious is telling its a waste of your time

What did you study?

When I was an undergrad I built a robot, designed a rudimentary solar power sytem (woudln't have workd, but failing is part of learning), adn had a number of other open ended projects that had nothing to do with rote learning.

I'm sure you learned a lot, and maybe even had a good time, but you did the same curriculum and the same work 100s of others before you did, and it wasn't a feat of intellectual firepower, no offense

Never claimed it was.  But nor was it "rote or stupid".  Many would say it wasn't easy (I drank a lot in college and didn't have a problem so I am not going to argue that point).

I noticed you didn't answer the question.  what was yoru undergrad and graduate work in?


Basket Weaving and Philosophy.

And I'll have you know I JUST got promoted to assistant front counter manager at Starbucks and that came with a sweet $0.85 raise, mister!

Actually it was pre med BS(Chem) and a double English/History BA and I graduated with 134 credits, but got completely burned out and disenchanted with modern medicine. Might go like back into research when i stop making loads of money, but being a pill pusher? yeah, no thanks.
 
2013-03-28 11:02:25 AM

willfullyobscure: Actually it was pre med BS(Chem) and a double English/History BA and I graduated with 134 credits, but got completely burned out and disenchanted with modern medicine. Might go like back into research when i stop making loads of money, but being a pill pusher? yeah, no thanks


Maybe it was my school, maybe it was unique to engineering, but you weren't going to graduate on rote skills.
 
2013-03-28 11:21:52 AM

Irving Maimway: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
I went through at least five different medications before my doctor gave me Adderall - the immediate two preceding it were Provigil (Didn't do anything) and Ritalin (bad reaction).  I'd rather not be on it myself, but since damn near nothing else works, here we are.

Then again, we like our far superior health care system here, so I guess I'll keep dealing with having to get handwritten scripts every month from pharmacies with limited supplies (so I'll probably have to call 2-3 to find it after I pick it up) because other doctors are jumping straight to Adderall because why not, it's what the college kid wants anyway.

I take Provigil for MS fatigue and I had to jump through so many hoops to get it approved by insurance it's insane. My docs say I need it, my body definitely needs it, but getting it through insurance because of abuse. All you farkers taking this stuff because it feels good are screwing it up for those of us that need it.


internet high five.

My aunt's doctor gave her samples of Provigil.  Like, about 300 pills worth of samples.  I still have no idea why the f--k she got them in the first place, but I ended up with 100 of them that I keep on hand if there's another Adderall shortage.  It doesn't really do anything, but better than nothing.

That said, funny how she was awash in free samples when I had to save money to pay for the one script of Provigil I filled because it was so damn expensive at the time (and I was working my way while in college to boot).  Free samples then crazy price increases, damn, that business model sounds familiar.
 
2013-03-28 11:38:24 AM
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
 
2013-03-28 11:46:13 AM

pciszek: RexTalionis: Half the people I know in law school were on some serious adderall binges, most of whom did not really need it. In fact, only one of my friends who took adderall really needed it, but he was so ADD that he would drift off mid-sentence and start playing with my phone in the middle of the conversation. And that was while he was medicated.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...Oooh, Shiny!"


You laugh, but he's an ADA with a major metropolitan city now.
 
2013-03-28 12:30:26 PM
I have known two people on Adderal. If I see either, I am going for a gun.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:48 PM
I tried Adderall on a few occasions to study for exams in college. It defiantly allowed me to focus on the textbook a lot more and devote more of my concentration to studying without my mind wandering to unrelated things. The problem I had was that it seemed to work a little too well and I would spend far to much time on a small section of material. It just took me so much time to get through the material that it just wasn't worth it to me.
 
2013-03-28 01:04:47 PM
AverageAmericanGuy:  Businesses don't care how you solve a problem, only that it is solved.

Putting aside the health effects of taking the drug


Which the business will gladly do.
It ain't about cheating.  It's worse than that.  It's about a corporation balancing your health against their profits.  Something they're notoriously bad at--that is, if you're the one who has to die or become an addict.

Worker takes pills to get-r-done; company says "good worker; you come back anytime we got a job for you, my friend!"  Worker dies in the plant; tox screen shows speed; company says "Violation of drug policy.  No money to widow.  No fine from OSHA.  Position available."

THIS is why absolutely no farking way in hell should this even be contemplated.
snag.gy
 
2013-03-28 01:08:11 PM

liam76: willfullyobscure: Actually it was pre med BS(Chem) and a double English/History BA and I graduated with 134 credits, but got completely burned out and disenchanted with modern medicine. Might go like back into research when i stop making loads of money, but being a pill pusher? yeah, no thanks

Maybe it was my school, maybe it was unique to engineering, but you weren't going to graduate on rote skills.


Yeah, as someone who was tempted to try the pre-med route but ended up doing a BS in chemical engineering I can tell you at least from my perspective that it was pretty far from being rote.  Most of the exams we took were open book.  If you could not grasp the mathmatical concepts and reasoning required to solve a problem, you were quite farked, and memorization wasn't going to help you.  I suppose the aspect of knowing how to frantically page through a text book with 5 minutes left in an exam when you have 5 out of 5 questoins with no answers could be considered "rote".

  Also a huge part was working as a team on group projects and (implicitly on) homework.  You can memorize math to a certain extent, but I don't think the conceptual framework is something that can be learned by brute force memorization.  You can memorize the derivation of the Bernoulli equation, but that does not mean you "get" what the equation means and how it can be applied practically.

\only time I considered trying adderol was when I was taking a molecular bio elective and studying for finals til 3 am, rarely studied for actual chem e exams - but the actual coursework was another story...
 
2013-03-28 02:33:31 PM

TheMysticS: spentmiles: My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.

Ha! I read straight through to the umpire's ocular cavity until I looked at the name on the post.


I had him at when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth - from there I just rolled my eyes and skimmed it as a semi-amusing fiction.
 
2013-03-28 03:06:20 PM
How Adderall Actually Works in the Modern University System
A True Story


1. "Study? Ain't nobody got time for dat!"
2. "Gotz me some Adderall to help me with the test, so now it's time to PARTY!"
3. "Failed?!? OMG! WTF? This shiat you sold me ain't no good and I done flunked outta school!!"

/Seen it happen more than once.
 
2013-03-28 04:07:52 PM

Irving Maimway: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
I went through at least five different medications before my doctor gave me Adderall - the immediate two preceding it were Provigil (Didn't do anything) and Ritalin (bad reaction).  I'd rather not be on it myself, but since damn near nothing else works, here we are.

Then again, we like our far superior health care system here, so I guess I'll keep dealing with having to get handwritten scripts every month from pharmacies with limited supplies (so I'll probably have to call 2-3 to find it after I pick it up) because other doctors are jumping straight to Adderall because why not, it's what the college kid wants anyway.

I take Provigil for MS fatigue and I had to jump through so many hoops to get it approved by insurance it's insane. My docs say I need it, my body definitely needs it, but getting it through insurance because of abuse. All you farkers taking this stuff because it feels good are screwing it up for those of us that need it.


Cry me a farking river. Let me know when you break your back and have real drug problems.
 
2013-03-28 04:09:59 PM
Vyvanse 100% changed my life for the better.  It turns out I wasn't just anxious and depressed - I was anxious and depressed because I was having harder time forcing myself to concentrate on things then I should have.  I make fewer errors at work, I'm more productive, I'm happier, friendlier, nicer, I've lost 55 pounds and am almost down to a healthy weight. Partially because it makes me want to eat less, but also because I have the energy and motivation to go work out when I get home after a collective 11 hours of work and 3 hours of driving.

I'm not cheating - I'm just being the best me that I can.
 
2013-03-28 04:11:00 PM
theborg1of4:
I had him at when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth - from there I just rolled my eyes and skimmed it as a semi-amusing fiction.

Yep. I was like, "ADHD? Your kid was farked in the head."
 
2013-03-28 04:54:53 PM

Bad_Seed: /Remember kids, Adderall = speed


Hell yeah. I love me some amphetamines. I prefer about 120mg of the addies, if they're the long lasting type with beads in a capsule then you can crush the inner capsules up and get the goodies. You can shoot 'em but you want to use more heat than normal.
 
2013-03-28 04:58:47 PM

Kingly Weevil: Vyvanse 100% changed my life for the better.  It turns out I wasn't just anxious and depressed - I was anxious and depressed because I was having harder time forcing myself to concentrate on things then I should have.


This was my experience exactly.  Once I was diagnosed with ADHD and was put on Adderall, my depression, anxiety, and low self-esteem went out the window.
 
2013-03-28 06:38:46 PM

spentmiles: My adopted son had severe ADHD.  For example, we just sitting in the living room, watching television, when he reached up and jerked out his front tooth.  I tried to get him involved in little league baseball, but on his first at bat, he turned around and attacked the umpire, fracturing his skull to the point doctors had to permanently wire his ocular cavity to keep his head together.  We were riding home from a therapy appointment, doing highway speeds, when he just opened the car door and got out.  I watched him roll in the rear view mirror and then a tractor trailer crushed his abdomen and pelvis with its driver's side tires.  He was still alive when I finally got to him.  He was trying to stand-up, though his legs were severed.  His eyes were frantic.  I think he didn't understand what he'd done, either the act of getting out of the car or the consequences of it, which was typical of his disconnect.  I pushed his wet hair off his forehead and as I held him, he became clear for a moment, focused.  I thought he was going to say something; instead he reached up with his working arm and poked out my left eye.  Then he died to my screaming.

Maybe I should've have been so stubborn in my opposition to drug therapy, though I still don't think it's a good idea to poison our children with these laboratory experiments, none of which anyone knows exactly how they work.


That's a cool story, Zeus.
 
2013-03-28 08:18:22 PM
They don't make you smarter. They help you focus and concentrate. It doesn't magically level up your IQ.

/Has ADHD
//is on Ritalin
 
2013-03-28 08:55:26 PM

chocolate covered poop: liam76: willfullyobscure: Actually it was pre med BS(Chem) and a double English/History BA and I graduated with 134 credits, but got completely burned out and disenchanted with modern medicine. Might go like back into research when i stop making loads of money, but being a pill pusher? yeah, no thanks

Maybe it was my school, maybe it was unique to engineering, but you weren't going to graduate on rote skills.

Yeah, as someone who was tempted to try the pre-med route but ended up doing a BS in chemical engineering I can tell you at least from my perspective that it was pretty far from being rote.  Most of the exams we took were open book.  If you could not grasp the mathmatical concepts and reasoning required to solve a problem, you were quite farked, and memorization wasn't going to help you.  I suppose the aspect of knowing how to frantically page through a text book with 5 minutes left in an exam when you have 5 out of 5 questoins with no answers could be considered "rote".

  Also a huge part was working as a team on group projects and (implicitly on) homework.  You can memorize math to a certain extent, but I don't think the conceptual framework is something that can be learned by brute force memorization.  You can memorize the derivation of the Bernoulli equation, but that does not mean you "get" what the equation means and how it can be applied practically.

\only time I considered trying adderol was when I was taking a molecular bio elective and studying for finals til 3 am, rarely studied for actual chem e exams - but the actual coursework was another story...


Okay, maybe rote was a bad word. Of course you learned process, like math and engineering methodologies and thinking skills like interpretation and logical argument,  that's a big part of the educational process through undergraduate. And I'm not putting that down- its easy to forget how much we have to earn to perform certain tasks. But everything you learned, so did everyone else.

What I am trying to convey, is that with nearly 100% certainty, barring the exceptional teacher or classroom situation that is actively selecting students for their brains, putting the work in is vastly more important than actually possessing a superior intellect. Anyone with average to slightly above average intelligence- IQ of 100-105, say, can get straight As throughout any undergraduate curriculum simply by working hard and following directions. It says next to nothing about their eventual career, contributions to the field, personal success or whatever. This is on purpose.

how smart you are, your innate intelligence, ability to make connections and gain insights and further your field, only kick in when you start doing self-directed research. that's why its wrong to say Adderall makes you smarter. Its another reason I was disenchanted with pre med- I looked around and was like, "holy shiat, they're going to let these dunces cut people open simply because they're good at following directions. yikes"
 
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