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(WPTV)   You just finished serving overseas for the U.S. Marine Corps. How does your hometown thank you? By sending you a citation to remove the American flag outside your home   (wptv.com) divider line 145
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2013-03-28 12:25:15 PM  
farted
 
2013-03-28 12:25:45 PM  

85blue: A flag pole is not really a big deal.You are right and the town is technically right(the best kind of right).But nickel and diming over a broken law that is not hurting anyone is bit ridiculous.He even could even remove the flag when he moves.It isn't as though the flag is huge or towering above the surrounding area.The person who anonymously reported him is a real life troll.It takes less effort to walk to your neighbor and say ,"Just so you know you will need a permit for that," then to pester city hall or cops about it.The soldier may be confused as to what he fought for but he did fight.And it isn't asking much to let him keep it even if he is technically wrong.


And it shouldn't have been a big deal. He made it one. That's the problem I have with this Marine.

FTFA: The Town of Hypoluxo building department official said normally a resident has 30 days to comply with a citation. In this case, the town will try to work with Schaffer to make sure he has every opportunity to fly his flag.

The city is going to work with the guy. He didn't need to turn this into a "ZOMG! They won't let me fly my flag!" situation.
 
2013-03-28 12:25:55 PM  

Gordon Bennett: kendelrio: When I was a soldier in the core, our drill sergeants made us pledge allegiance to the FLAG every night before we went to bed and when we woke up. We sweated and bled and some of us died to let that little peace of canvas flutter in the wind. If this marine want's to fly his flag, he shouldn't have to get no stupid permit. It is his write as someone who has blked and DIED for his flag to fly it!

/Stupid civilians!
/sniper

kendelrio: bled.

Really? I thought that "blked" was the best part of that post. Yes, you had the "core," the apostrophe misuse, bad grammar, misspelling and that lovely bit of utter illogic at the end to hit all of the major troll categories in rapid succession, but out of it all it was that bizarre mystery word at the end that had the most potential to completely derail a thread while everyone tries to figure out what it is supposed to mean.


Ya, sometimes you feel the need to tweak until you mess it up.

Surprised I haven't gotten any bites with the "core", "marines" and "soldier". Figured this was ripe breeding grounds for the elusive bites.

Ah well. Next time.....
 
2013-03-28 12:26:08 PM  

85blue: A flag pole is not really a big deal.You are right and the town is technically right(the best kind of right).But nickel and diming over a broken law that is not hurting anyone is bit ridiculous.


It's not hurting anyone... yet.  When it falls and lands on a car or a person, will you still hold that opinion?

He even could even remove the flag when he moves.It isn't as though the flag is huge or towering above the surrounding area.

It's not the flag at issue, it's the pole.

The person who anonymously reported him is a real life troll.  It takes less effort to walk to your neighbor and say ,"Just so you know you will need a permit for that," then to pester city hall or cops about it.

We don't know that he didn't tell the soldier that.

The soldier may be confused as to what he fought for but he did fight. And it isn't asking much to let him keep it even if he is technically wrong.

Yes, it is.  He is not above the law.
 
2013-03-28 12:29:32 PM  

stonicus: 85blue: A flag pole is not really a big deal.You are right and the town is technically right(the best kind of right).But nickel and diming over a broken law that is not hurting anyone is bit ridiculous.

It's not hurting anyone... yet.  When it falls and lands on a car or a person, will you still hold that opinion?

He even could even remove the flag when he moves.It isn't as though the flag is huge or towering above the surrounding area.

It's not the flag at issue, it's the pole.

The person who anonymously reported him is a real life troll.  It takes less effort to walk to your neighbor and say ,"Just so you know you will need a permit for that," then to pester city hall or cops about it.

We don't know that he didn't tell the soldier that.

The soldier may be confused as to what he fought for but he did fight. And it isn't asking much to let him keep it even if he is technically wrong.

Yes, it is.  He is not above the law.


You need to stop making sense, this is FARK.
 
2013-03-28 12:29:35 PM  

IRQ12: When I was an airman in the navy, our scout leader made us lemon pledge to the TABLE every day before we woke up and when we went to bed.  We  dried and infused and some of us lived to let that big piece of hickory smoked bacon sag in stagnant air.  If this sailor wants to fly a chicken breast, he should have to get a declaration of independence from the US.  It is his love as someone who has B*Y^)GYed and put lotion on his back for his chicken breast to sail it!


i212.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-28 12:33:52 PM  
Subby (farktard) don't post no more.  It ain't the flag, it's the flag post that's the problem.  It ain't like you read the article and decided let's make something more of it, than it actually is.

Put up a flag mast without a construction permit then shame.  American flag was always welcomed.
 
2013-03-28 12:36:49 PM  

genepool lifeboat: stonicus: 85blue: A flag pole is not really a big deal.You are right and the town is technically right(the best kind of right).But nickel and diming over a broken law that is not hurting anyone is bit ridiculous.

It's not hurting anyone... yet.  When it falls and lands on a car or a person, will you still hold that opinion?

He even could even remove the flag when he moves.It isn't as though the flag is huge or towering above the surrounding area.

It's not the flag at issue, it's the pole.

The person who anonymously reported him is a real life troll.  It takes less effort to walk to your neighbor and say ,"Just so you know you will need a permit for that," then to pester city hall or cops about it.

We don't know that he didn't tell the soldier that.

The soldier may be confused as to what he fought for but he did fight. And it isn't asking much to let him keep it even if he is technically wrong.

Yes, it is.  He is not above the law.

You need to stop making sense, this is FARK.


I'm sorry.  =(

He's a soldier damn it!  He can put his pole wherever he wants, even into underage girls!

/better?
 
2013-03-28 12:38:32 PM  

kendelrio: Surprised I haven't gotten any bites with the "core", "marines" and "soldier". Figured this was ripe breeding grounds for the elusive bites.

Ah well. Next time.....


It's been done. Search for The Convincing Savant.
 
2013-03-28 12:40:03 PM  

stonicus: He's a soldier damn it! He can put his pole wherever he wants, even into underage girls!

/better?


Not to threadshiat but your comment made me giggle.  My wife is a vet (Army) and every soldier that served with her would hit on her 14 year old sister.
 
2013-03-28 12:41:07 PM  

sxacho: 85blue: But nickel and diming over a broken law that is not hurting anyone is bit ridiculous.

Has the pole or its foundation been designed to account for wind loads?


Having lived in FL I would be very surprised if a soldier (someone whose life depends on situational awareness)  living there did not account for wind.Anyone who has ever lived there can tell you it can storm pretty bad.But that is a question for him and not me.
 
2013-03-28 12:44:24 PM  

YoOjo: You don't mention plumbing the pole, so I assume you just put it in at a crazy-ass angle nearly touching the ground so as to facilitate easier changing of the flag.


skeevy420: Operating a level isn't very hard....makes me think it was installed poorly.


Not in the half-ass instructions, but I did mention that the Marines' pole wasn't level and how that particular tool isn't very hard to use.

I make it a point to build everything up to code or better, even if that means I get fired. I don't agree with bosses that cut corners to save a dime and will flat out refuse to do sub-par work when told to. It might not be my name on the contract, but it is my work so I'll either I build with integrity or not at all. Permits, from what I've seen, are only there to make fly-by-nights and lazy asses do decent work by providing them with minimal specs that need to be done in order to qualify as "good" work (and gvmt\hoa tabs on everything). Skilled workers with pride in what they do (usually) build better than the mandated specifications.

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YoOjo: 420 Flagpole Installers: We're high so your flag doesn't have to be.


Lol, but seriously, I don't smoke before work or on the job, nor do I take anything other than pot.  Just because someone's a pothead doesn't mean they don't have values, morals, and good work ethics.
 
2013-03-28 12:54:06 PM  

skeevy420: the Marines' pole wasn't level and how that particular tool isn't very hard to use.


Are we on about that big rainbow flag they got out there in SF now?

/sorry, don't mean to pick on your posts more than anyone else's.
 
2013-03-28 12:57:56 PM  
The guy probly didn't realize he needed a permit.And he did sensationalize his side of the story by going to the news.But the potential danger of this pole is being exaggerated.In essence some of you are saying he is qualified to fight for and represent America overseas but he can't be trusted to properly install something he can take down at anytime.
 
2013-03-28 01:08:59 PM  
 
2013-03-28 01:13:10 PM  

85blue: The guy probly didn't realize he needed a permit.And he did sensationalize his side of the story by going to the news.But the potential danger of this pole is being exaggerated.In essence some of you are saying he is qualified to fight for and represent America overseas but he can't be trusted to properly install something he can take down at anytime.


How does "trained soldier" = "trained contractor"?
The military didn't just sign him up and hand him a gun and say "go fight".  He was trained how to.  If he had been properly trained on pole installation, he would have been taught that one of the steps is to get a building permit.
 
2013-03-28 01:22:19 PM  

SnarfVader: IRQ12: When I was an airman in the navy, our scout leader made us lemon pledge to the TABLE every day before we woke up and when we went to bed.  We  dried and infused and some of us lived to let that big piece of hickory smoked bacon sag in stagnant air.  If this sailor wants to fly a chicken breast, he should have to get a declaration of independence from the US.  It is his love as someone who has B*Y^)GYed and put lotion on his back for his chicken breast to sail it!

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That is what a stroke looks like in text form.
 
2013-03-28 01:22:59 PM  

genepool lifeboat: stonicus: He's a soldier damn it! He can put his pole wherever he wants, even into underage girls!

/better?

Not to threadshiat but your comment made me giggle.  My wife is a vet (Army) and every soldier that served with her would hit on her 14 year old sister.


We're I'm gonna need pics of the sister to see how hitable fapable she is.

/why lie?
 
2013-03-28 01:26:51 PM  

give me doughnuts: genepool lifeboat: stonicus: He's a soldier damn it! He can put his pole wherever he wants, even into underage girls!

/better?

Not to threadshiat but your comment made me giggle.  My wife is a vet (Army) and every soldier that served with her would hit on her 14 year old sister.

We're I'm gonna need pics of the sister

225 × 556 - deusexmalcontent.com to see how hitable fapable she is.
/why lie?


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2013-03-28 01:31:21 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: kendelrio: Surprised I haven't gotten any bites with the "core", "marines" and "soldier". Figured this was ripe breeding grounds for the elusive bites.

Ah well. Next time.....

It's been done. Search for The Convincing Savant.


Ya, I was around for that. Still, every once and a while you get some fresh bites.
 
2013-03-28 01:31:46 PM  

stonicus: 85blue: The guy probly didn't realize he needed a permit.And he did sensationalize his side of the story by going to the news.But the potential danger of this pole is being exaggerated.In essence some of you are saying he is qualified to fight for and represent America overseas but he can't be trusted to properly install something he can take down at anytime.

How does "trained soldier" = "trained contractor"?
The military didn't just sign him up and hand him a gun and say "go fight".  He was trained how to.  If he had been properly trained on pole installation, he would have been taught that one of the steps is to get a building permit.


I'm fairly confident that someone who can survive in a war zone will able to install a pole without the neighborhood falling apart.If that is not the case then we have bigger problems than flag poles.
 
2013-03-28 01:36:25 PM  

85blue: Having lived in FL I would be very surprised if a soldier (someone whose life depends on situational awareness)  living there did not account for wind.Anyone who has ever lived there can tell you it can storm pretty bad.But that is a question for him and not me.


I live in Florida and I do wind load design on all manner of crazy things that have been cobbled together by people who think they have accounted for wind loads on things they built without a plan or a permit. If something has been permitted, it usually means that someone with some knowledge about this stuff has designed it at least somewhat close to meeting the wind loads. If a homeowner builds something without a permit, it's usually tested by giving it a few hard shoves to see if it falls down. But when actually running the numbers, it's rare that a homeowner installs a foundation that's large enough to meet code for something like this.

And I've done quite a bit of "retrofit" design to fix problems that have been created by veterans who know damned well how to build and don't need no stinkin' permit.
 
2013-03-28 01:38:22 PM  
*walks by house*

Huh? Wh... what country am I in?

*spots flag*

OK, now we're getting somewhere. But, er, what country am I in again? Oh yeah.
 
2013-03-28 01:42:11 PM  

rocketpants: genepool lifeboat: You can't just build a structure in your landlord's yard without a permit ....

FTFY

/ weirdest part of the story IMO, aside from the dbag complaineypants neighbor


That's what I don't get.  I have a few rental properties and if someone asked for a flag pole, I'd likely do it unless I thought they were about to put the Stars and Bars up.  I already know how to do all the local paperwork and could likely have the permit within a couple business days, mail it in, wait, get permit, done.  I'd be pissed off on general principle if I came by and found something quickcreted into the front lawn of one of my properties.  I have no desire to find out my level of liability when a tenant's "improvement" falls over and kills half a brownie troop.

/although since my properties are in Detroit, anyone who did put up the Stars and Bars likely wouldn't last long enough to become my problem
//although I think I need to disclose deaths to future rentals
/"here is the back porch, you can have a grill out here as long as it is five feet from the wall, to your left is where a miserable piece of racist shiat had his head blown off by the locals, on your right is the hose  spigot..."
 
2013-03-28 02:08:22 PM  
I have an overwhelming urge to fly an Iraqi flag at my house.
 
2013-03-28 02:08:37 PM  
He's renting the house. Wonder what his lease says about permanent modifications to  the property.

Also wonder if Marine training is effective if it produces vets who can't follow rules.
 
2013-03-28 02:25:24 PM  

stonicus: 85blue: The guy probly didn't realize he needed a permit.And he did sensationalize his side of the story by going to the news.But the potential danger of this pole is being exaggerated.In essence some of you are saying he is qualified to fight for and represent America overseas but he can't be trusted to properly install something he can take down at anytime.

How does "trained soldier" = "trained contractor"?
The military didn't just sign him up and hand him a gun and say "go fight".  He was trained how to.  If he had been properly trained on pole installation, he would have been taught that one of the steps is to get a building permit.


OK stonicus....you got a permit for that weed you smoke?

(I do have a permit for the lies I tell - thought I better head that one off....)
 
2013-03-28 02:31:07 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: stonicus: 85blue: The guy probly didn't realize he needed a permit.And he did sensationalize his side of the story by going to the news.But the potential danger of this pole is being exaggerated.In essence some of you are saying he is qualified to fight for and represent America overseas but he can't be trusted to properly install something he can take down at anytime.

How does "trained soldier" = "trained contractor"?
The military didn't just sign him up and hand him a gun and say "go fight".  He was trained how to.  If he had been properly trained on pole installation, he would have been taught that one of the steps is to get a building permit.

OK stonicus....you got a permit for that weed you smoke?

(I do have a permit for the lies I tell - thought I better head that one off....)


I just drink now-a-days.
But what's your point?  If I smoke weed, this soldier is allowed to bypass zoning ordinances?
 
2013-03-28 02:46:22 PM  

85blue: I'm fairly confident that someone who can survive in a war zone will able to install a pole without the neighborhood falling apart


Then it should be a simple matter for him to get a permit and build it up to code. Especially now that the city is working with him on it to make sure that he is able to fly his flag.
 
2013-03-28 03:15:17 PM  
All this guy has to do is claim the "flagpole" is an antenna and they can't do a damn thing to him ( as long as it is less than 12 feet above the roofline )

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule

"For example, local rules or regulations that require a person to obtain a permit or approval prior to installation create unreasonable delay and are generally prohibited. Permits or prior approval necessary to serve a legitimate written safety or historic preservation purpose may be permissible. Although a simple notification process (e.g. post installation) might be permissible, such a process cannot be used as a prior approval requirement and may not delay or increase the cost of installation. The burden is on the association to show that a notification process does not violate our rule."

"Any requirement to pay a fee to the local authority for a permit to be allowed to install an antenna would be unreasonable because such permits are generally prohibited"
 
2013-03-28 03:56:28 PM  

sxacho: mod3072: Schaffer said because he is renting the house, he has to have a third party contractor come in to apply for the permit, which could cost him nearly $1,000.

It looks like the real issue here is that someone didn't get their graft contractors fee. I think it's obvious that a flagpole is a deathtrap just waiting to spring unless you pay some guy $1,000 to apply for a permit for you.

//gee, I wonder who filed that anonymous complaint? Surely not the guy who would have made $1,000 for filling out a form.

My guess is the complaint came from a neighbor who watched him pour 2 bags of concrete mix into a small hole, then attach the pole. My second guess is that for the wind load on the flag pole, he didn't pour nearly enough concrete and the contractor will have to increase the footing size so the flag pole won't turn into a javelin or otherwise predict in unexpected ways in the next hurricane.

The $1000 fee is likely due to a quadruple permit fee because it's an after-the-fact permit. It's a bit of a disincentive to discourage people from doing unlicensed shiat without permits. This penalty fee can and probably will be waived by the local building official. Especially considering now the derpers having jurisdiction have been notified.

But as for having to hire a contractor, this is absolutely correct and reasonable. As a renter, you can't go making structural improvements or whatever to property that isn't yours. Even the homeowner can't pull the permit, probably, because he's not living in the home.


THIS.
The reason they have codes like this in places like Florida is that the ground there is SAND and they get HURRICANES.  The flag pole he put in could easily become dislodged and cause a tremendous amount of damage during a strong storm.  Build it to code and get the permit if you want a big flag pole in your yard.

Otherwise, ask the landlord if you can wall-mount a pole on the house.  Derp.
 
2013-03-28 04:03:33 PM  

aseras: All this guy has to do is claim the "flagpole" is an antenna and they can't do a damn thing to him ( as long as it is less than 12 feet above the roofline )


Other than the fact that it's not an antenna. Try that in court and he'll learn a quick lesson that judges do not cotton to such shenanigans.
 
2013-03-28 05:30:25 PM  
If you managed to spend one day in the service of any kind, you should never have to obey any law ever or have to work ever again.
 
2013-03-28 05:44:05 PM  
Stay Classy Democrats
 
2013-03-28 06:45:16 PM  
SnarfVader: Navy vet: Flies the flag from the nearest tree instead.

Seriously. He's renting. He shouldn't be putting up a pole in his landlord's yard without his permission anyway. My dad and my father in law are both 30 year Air Force vets, and they both own their own homes and have massive flagpoles. Since I rent, I can't do that. But i did what give me doughnuts's dad did, with the flagpole on the porch column. And you know what, I asked my landlord before I did it.

/Navy vet
 
pla
2013-03-28 06:58:41 PM  
genepool lifeboat : Someone already mentioned it's an issue with the pole, not the flag. You can't just build a structure in your yard without a permit

Of course you can, in any of the still-sane states. Hell, I did exactly the same as this poor bastard who fought for the right to get farked by the town (though for a weather station, not a flag). Pathetic, what a nanny state we live in.

Your flagpole falls over and damages property? Then we worry about liability. Until then, the government can GTFO until.
 
2013-03-28 07:04:15 PM  

nowhereian: SnarfVader: Navy vet: Flies the flag from the nearest tree instead.

Seriously. He's renting. He shouldn't be putting up a pole in his landlord's yard without his permission anyway. My dad and my father in law are both 30 year Air Force vets, and they both own their own homes and have massive flagpoles. Since I rent, I can't do that. But i did what give me doughnuts's dad did, with the flagpole on the porch column. And you know what, I asked my landlord before I did it.

/Navy vet


Seriously, chill. I'm a Navy vet too. I was just joking. If you had read my other comments, you would know I agree with what you are saying.
 
pla
2013-03-28 07:07:03 PM  
NightOwl2255 : Other than the fact that it's not an antenna.

An extra $1.50 in wire says otherwise.

More importantly, seriously stop and think about what you've said here - You recognize that the city can't block antenna masts under a certain height, but have no problem with this obvious kickback-scam for putting up the exact same thing, minus the magical signals bouncing off into the sky that put it under FCC rather than local zoning control.

Let me know when they come for something you like, so I can point and laugh.
 
2013-03-28 07:08:53 PM  
I'm 20 year retired military myself and I don't have a problem with this. Building permits are there for a reason, any idiot can shove a pole in the ground, a permit ensures it's done in accordance with current building codes so the damn thing doesn't fall down and kill someone.
 
2013-03-28 07:24:43 PM  

pla: genepool lifeboat : Someone already mentioned it's an issue with the pole, not the flag. You can't just build a structure in your yard without a permit

Of course you can, in any of the still-sane states. Hell, I did exactly the same as this poor bastard who fought for the right to get farked by the town (though for a weather station, not a flag). Pathetic, what a nanny state we live in.

Your flagpole falls over and damages property? Then we worry about liability. Until then, the government can GTFO until.



I dunno ...

When do I need to get a building permit for a construction project in Maine?

Building permits are generally required for all new construction in Maine. This includes building new structures or remodeling and adding onto existing structures. Depending on where the property is located, a new structure that requires a building permit may include a fence, retaining wall, deck, swimming pool, detached garage, or shed. When a building permit is required, you must apply for and obtain one before construction actually begins. If you engage in construction without a required permit, you may be subject to penalties and fines from your local city government.


In Maine, what kind of work does not require a building permit?

Cosmetic work such as painting, tiling, and carpeting normally does not require a permit in Maine. Ordinary electrical and plumbing repairs such as replacing a light switch or fixing a drain are also usually exempted from permit requirements. Some small projects such as re-roofing, siding, and window replacement may require a permit depending on the local regulations of the city where the property is located.

A flagpole seems a little silly, but it is a permanent structure/object constructed and anchored to the ground via concrete.  From my experience when it's deemed permanent is when a permit is required.  if you have built a fence or flagpole without a permit that just means you didn't get caught, not that it was legal.  The government could show up and hit you with a fine or make you tear it down.
 
2013-03-28 07:47:07 PM  
SnarfVader: I know it was a joke. And I agree with you, just not all the wharblgarbl others have been posting about how he should be able to do it. He should know better, that's all.
 
2013-03-28 09:21:00 PM  

pla: NightOwl2255 : Other than the fact that it's not an antenna.

An extra $1.50 in wire says otherwise.

More importantly, seriously stop and think about what you've said here - You recognize that the city can't block antenna masts under a certain height, but have no problem with this obvious kickback-scam for putting up the exact same thing, minus the magical signals bouncing off into the sky that put it under FCC rather than local zoning control.

Let me know when they come for something you like, so I can point and laugh.


Calm down skippy. I don't give a flying fark about the dudes flag pole. But trying to claim that a flagpole is an antenna is the kind of thing that pisses off judges.
 
pla
2013-03-29 06:49:51 AM  
hutchkc : Building permits are generally required for all new construction in Maine. This includes building new structures or remodeling and adding onto existing structures.

Yup - You need a permit to build a house. Okay...


Depending on where the property is located

Which means "some towns suck". No dispute there - "Maineachusetts" ain't "The way life should be". :)

Basically the rule of thumb involves plumbing, and to a lesser extent, electricity. If it has running water, the state humors the EPA in making sure that water goes somewhere legal (though as you point out, repairs to existing systems don't need one).  If a structure has its own electric sub-panel, the state follows NFPA regulations (good luck getting insurance otherwise), so you need a permit. Just about anything else, have fun.

Flagpoles, small sheds, potentially even detached garages (admittedly, many towns have a size limit before you need a a permit as well - Though mine does not) - Not the same as building a structure intended to have people living in it.


WTF has happened to fark, where we have the same crowd who normally rail against HOAs actually defending the same unacceptable behavior from petty state and local Napoleons?  Sad.  Really sad.
 
pla
2013-03-29 07:18:54 AM  
NightOwl2255 : But trying to claim that a flagpole is an antenna is the kind of thing that pisses off judges.

You miss my point...

1) Why do so many of the pro-nannyism participants in this discussion defend rules against flagpoles, when the town would have no standing to object to the same thing with a few bucks of wire attached, and...

2) He shouldn't just call it an antenna for the purpose of playing games in court, he should make it an actual, legit antenna.  And as a bonus, the latter would nicely piss off all his obnoxious neighbors who no doubt have "RF allergies" to go along with their overdeveloped sense of entitlement to dictate the behavior of others.
 
2013-03-29 09:54:10 AM  

pla: NightOwl2255 : But trying to claim that a flagpole is an antenna is the kind of thing that pisses off judges.

You miss my point...

1) Why do so many of the pro-nannyism participants in this discussion defend rules against flagpoles, when the town would have no standing to object to the same thing with a few bucks of wire attached, and...

2) He shouldn't just call it an antenna for the purpose of playing games in court, he should make it an actual, legit antenna.  And as a bonus, the latter would nicely piss off all his obnoxious neighbors who no doubt have "RF allergies" to go along with their overdeveloped sense of entitlement to dictate the behavior of others.


As I said, I don't really care. I was just pointing out that calling it an antenna would not be wise.
From the FCC website. Under the question, what type of antenna is covered by the rule. An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast signals. I think we can agree that his flagpole ain't that.
 
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