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2013-03-28 09:29:20 AM  
8 votes:
Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.
2013-03-28 09:33:17 AM  
4 votes:

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.


Also, how in depth do you think their understanding on WHY we invaded them is? Misguided as our wars are, we still went over under the assumption that we would "get 'em back good for what they did". These people living in the desert, do they even know WHY invaders are occupying their homeland?
2013-03-28 10:32:27 AM  
3 votes:

lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.


The anti-war movement was pretty much focused on Iraq - you know - the war Bush started because he had daddy issues. Obama ran on a platform of pulling out of Iraq, finishing the job in Afghanistan, and getting OBL. Well, he's gotten two of those accomplished and the third is all mapped out.
2013-03-28 09:40:59 AM  
3 votes:

croesius: Also, how in depth do you think their understanding on WHY we invaded them is? Misguided as our wars are, we still went over under the assumption that we would "get 'em back good for what they did". These people living in the desert, do they even know WHY invaders are occupying their homeland?


Exactly. Not to sound bigoted but these do not seem like extremely educated people and what they do know is coming from manipulative people with an agenda against the west. Seeing their villages get bombed just confirms what they've been told.

Frankly these prolonged wars have only made things more dangerous for us. Something needed to be done but this was all very much the wrong way to go about it.
2013-03-28 09:23:35 AM  
3 votes:
Why is it hard to believe that American soldiers would absolutely care about the safety of a child?  They are all sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers over there.  I have no doubt they did not want to hurt that child and would have not engaged if the child remained.  They had the coordinates.  Just knowing the IED was there meant it was benign.  Killing the insurgents would have been a bonus.  Saving the kid is human.  The IED took care of the insurgents.  The kid got away. Win-Win-Win
2013-03-28 08:42:55 AM  
3 votes:
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2013-03-28 08:40:47 AM  
3 votes:
...and nothing of value was lost.
2013-03-28 08:39:50 AM  
3 votes:
Awsome tag needed
2013-03-28 10:37:50 AM  
2 votes:

lordaction: Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.

Yeah, because there were totally not any anti-war marches at all that in no way were ever shown on Al-Jazeera.  That never happened, right?


If you think televised anti-war marches is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.
2013-03-28 09:21:42 AM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Charlie Freak: As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.

Seeing as we can't seem to agree on how far away the helicopter is from the video why do you think that they would be able to? They aren't stupid but they aren't exactly surrounded by technology are they? It's one thing to know that helicopters fly and shoot rockets. It's another to assume that they can read the newspaper over you shoulder from the horizon.


I spent a year in Iraq working with EDUCATED Iraqis.  No AQ member could watch videos like this and use the helicopters changing bearing to calculate speed and distance.  There is just no way.  Educated Iraqis couldn't even do this.  Never mind that it's pretty simple mathematics.

I remember a meeting of the Council of Representatives where one guy "trumped" another by announcing that he had completed the sixth grade.  This is a person in Iraqi society on level with a U.S. Senator.  <insert U.S. Senator joke here>

We were rocket attacked on the Embassy compound twice a day my entire tour.  I was friends with some of the EOD guys who respond to those attacks.  They would show me the photos.  Two by fours propped up on car jacks cranked to various angles with the rockets resting on top in the hopes that maybe one or two would come close.  Maybe 3 of 12 would fire properly.  Some were wired incorrectly, others the cell phones used as timers had their alarms set to the wrong time (am not pm, etc).  Often times the rocket would just detonate on the ground ruining the rest of the bunch in the process.  These people aren't just dumb.  They are in a whole different class of stupid.
2013-03-28 09:15:26 AM  
2 votes:

lack of warmth: Yeah, I wasn't nearly concerned about the kid's safety as the Apache crew was.


I have a hunch they were more concerned with public relations than that kid.
2013-03-28 08:48:16 AM  
2 votes:
Yet another workplace accident.  They need Al-OSHA.
2013-03-28 08:44:19 AM  
2 votes:
imageshack.us
2013-03-28 08:42:37 AM  
2 votes:
I hate it when I have premature detonation.
2013-03-29 09:34:13 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.

I'm guessing you missed the part where they were actively engaged in an act of terrorism


What would you call the fighters in the American Revolution who were opposing the British Army?
2013-03-29 12:14:48 AM  
1 votes:
Yep, we're burning a shiatton a fuel in $130 million state-of-the-art airplanes, for hours at a time... monitoring a few guys down the road from their house with an IED that's worth $100.

What do you think the actual, hourly support cost of all the personnel involved with that mission was?

And we've been doing this for a decade... and we're sequestering our spending here at home?
2013-03-28 10:08:12 PM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.


Where are all the anti-war protests for president drone strike, eh? It's been pretty quiet out there. Internet comments are irrelevant compared to the utter silence from folks who couldn't stop astro turfing mass demonstrations during Bush's presidency.

The difference is enough to make you think those folks aren't anti-war, they're just on the other side. Plus, have you ever tried counter protesting the 'peaceniks' ? They get pretty physical pretty fast. If they're sincere at all- which I doubt- their anti-war attitudes are compensation for explosive anger problems.
2013-03-28 07:20:17 PM  
1 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: The information that every intelligence agency in the world agreed on and still stand by to this day?


You surely don't actually believe that? It wasn't even true at the time, the Dutch expressed serious concerns regarding the supposed purchase of uranium.
2013-03-28 01:32:57 PM  
1 votes:

Arthen: That's an AC-130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.


Could be, lots of inter-vehcile functionality of that sort.  F-15's will lase a target and take video, but the missile comes from elsewhere..... but the overlay isn't the same as what's on C-130's, gunships, cargo, or refuelers.
Audio isn't from the outside, it's an overlay from the communications systems.  Virtually all such recordings sound the same.  A bit of hiss and muted voices. If you think it's oddly muted, try actually using them.  Always screwed with my equilibrium.

As for the parallel flight motion, all aircraft can move.  typically the FLIR is mounted in, or has optics that are mounted in, a rotating and spinning nose assembly.(think R2-D2 with the added ability to look up).  IIRC, it's standard practice to strafe or fly around such objectives so that you can see it from all angles, as well as not be a stationary target if you were to get noticed.

Mouthoy: How do you not see the Apache flying around?  Did they not think to look UP?!


1. Up?  These things are often miles away, hardly ever operate "over" the target.(with the exception of things like jets, and even then it's only for a second as it passes by, hence the above, the tendency to circle around a target).
2. IR cameras don't need visible light, most of what you see in video's like this is at night.

H31N0US: liquidlen: Why does the audio and video from the military seem so distorted all the time?

For the same reason the audio / video from CCTV sources is. There is A LOT of it, since they film everything, so compression is a big factor.

Plus they are miles away from the subjects.


Some of this.

The equipment is also older.  You can't just strap up a fancy yet flimsy consumer digital recorder and expect it to last with all the forces and vibrations that it will get on a military vehicle.  These things are specially designed to be very durable, to do that they've had to sacrifice a lot of "quality".

It's not just that, these items have to be repairable in less than optimal conditions, and function in highly variable temperatures, which means sizable connectors, epoxy coatings, larger component parts. integrated cooling, etc.

/worked on the equipment when I was in the service.

BlackCat23: Truth be told, they're quiet. Scary quiet for a helicopter


This.
2013-03-28 12:01:18 PM  
1 votes:
2009 video is old.  It's been on YouTube for several years.
2013-03-28 11:49:28 AM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: All teh top intel agencies thought he had reconstituted his WMD progam, instead we just found the stuff to make the shiat but old weponized stuff (arty shells with chemical agents and tons of yellow cake)


We didn't find any new yellow cake uranium. What senior sources in the Iraqi regime told SIS in 2002 was absolutely true, they hadn't bought any new uranium and hadn't started a new WMD program.
There were, of course, other reasons to go to war, but 'Saddam Hussein is a bad man' would never have been adequate on its own.

Joe Blowme: I would go on but you hear what you want to hear and know only what you heard.


You appear to have spent the last decade not listening at all...
Bf+
2013-03-28 11:40:18 AM  
1 votes:
img1.fark.net    i17.photobucket.com  Not news: Insurgents plant IED. News: While Apache pilot monitoring from above. FARK: IED Self-destructs, eliminating insurgents if the video is old enough, the no-videos-of-human-death rule will be overlooked.

/FIFYS
2013-03-28 10:56:47 AM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: The one authorized by congress and given the green light by the UN?


On the basis of information the intelligence community knew to be false.

That war?

Yes, that one.
2013-03-28 10:38:48 AM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there

Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.


When the Nazis were asked why they sent children to the extermination camps, they said that after what they had done to the children's parents, they would have no choice but to grow up to be the enemies of the Nazi state so they were just eliminating the problem early.
2013-03-28 10:07:19 AM  
1 votes:

liquidlen: Why does the audio and video from the military seem so distorted all the time?


For the same reason the audio / video from CCTV sources is. There is A LOT of it, since they film everything, so compression is a big factor.

Plus they are miles away from the subjects.
2013-03-28 09:59:34 AM  
1 votes:
I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protest themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

IED --> Bomb
2013-03-28 09:43:37 AM  
1 votes:

WhiskeyBoy: No AQ member could watch videos like this and use the helicopters changing bearing to calculate speed and distance.


Not sure I can either. Wouldn't you need two of those to calculate the third?
2013-03-28 09:25:44 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.


Yeah I heard the number '2400' mentioned by the pilot, so they were probably 2400 metres away. Far enough away to not be noticed, close enough for their Hellfires or the 30mm gun.
2013-03-28 09:22:06 AM  
1 votes:
i1168.photobucket.com
2013-03-28 09:21:51 AM  
1 votes:
AWESOME
2013-03-28 09:14:30 AM  
1 votes:
Been done before.
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2013-03-28 09:14:25 AM  
1 votes:

Charlie Freak: Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.

Based on how fast the bearings are changing (looking at both the heading indicator and using the road angle as a guide) and estimating the normal operating speed of an Apache, I'd say maybe a few miles at most. As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.


Those are videos of actions, not videos of capabilities. The true limits are not available to the public.
2013-03-28 09:09:33 AM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there

Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.


Yeah, I wasn't nearly concerned about the kid's safety as the Apache crew was.  It looks like those insurgents were going to die that day anyway, just held up by that meddling kid.

Listening to the radio communication was worth it.  Crew discussing plan of action with ground command and the "Never mind!" was perfect.
2013-03-28 09:07:45 AM  
1 votes:
Helicopters are not rare in Afghanistan, they would have no reason to think that they were being observed directly. A lot of IEDs are planted ahead of a known patrol, and left just long enough for the earth to dry so to be indistinguishable.
2013-03-28 09:07:28 AM  
1 votes:
Am I the only one that thinks this would be even better if it were slightly sped up and had yakkity sax playing over it?
2013-03-28 09:02:00 AM  
1 votes:
The Hellfire missile (just for reference) has a range of up to 5 miles - being one of the Apache's favorite load-outs I would take that to mean the optics on the Apache are quite capable out past 5 miles.

And while 5 miles doesnt sound like much set your trip odometer on your car some time... then pretend like you'd really be paying attention to that helicopter "way off in the distance"
2013-03-28 08:55:53 AM  
1 votes:
I like happy endings
2013-03-28 08:50:32 AM  
1 votes:
This must be one of those leaks from the marketing department.
2013-03-28 08:48:47 AM  
1 votes:
Is the FAIL tag here because this is a repeat?
2013-03-28 08:48:33 AM  
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.


It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.
2013-03-28 08:47:48 AM  
1 votes:
how far away do you guys think the heli is? i know they are very quite but hes just hovering around watching with them being oblivious.
2013-03-28 08:42:59 AM  
1 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-28 08:41:59 AM  
1 votes:
Ha ha!
2013-03-28 08:41:43 AM  
1 votes:
Problem arises.

Problem solves itself.
2013-03-28 08:40:51 AM  
1 votes:
This has occurred, and been taped, hundreds of times.

/here's hoping for a few hundred more
 
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