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2013-03-28 08:39:50 AM
Awsome tag needed
 
2013-03-28 08:40:47 AM
...and nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-03-28 08:40:51 AM
This has occurred, and been taped, hundreds of times.

/here's hoping for a few hundred more
 
2013-03-28 08:41:43 AM
Problem arises.

Problem solves itself.
 
2013-03-28 08:41:59 AM
Ha ha!
 
2013-03-28 08:42:37 AM
I hate it when I have premature detonation.
 
2013-03-28 08:42:55 AM
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2013-03-28 08:42:59 AM
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2013-03-28 08:43:38 AM
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Boom!
 
2013-03-28 08:43:50 AM
As awful as that was, I LOL'd.
 
2013-03-28 08:44:18 AM
Well that was fun. Here's to more sequels than police academy movies.
 
2013-03-28 08:44:19 AM
imageshack.us
 
2013-03-28 08:44:42 AM
Must of been a very quiet helicopter.
 
2013-03-28 08:47:15 AM
That was not Romance Explosion.
 
2013-03-28 08:47:48 AM
how far away do you guys think the heli is? i know they are very quite but hes just hovering around watching with them being oblivious.
 
2013-03-28 08:48:05 AM

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.


It must have a whisper mode.

www.technovelgy.com
 
2013-03-28 08:48:16 AM
Well that was grim. Is this what we do here now?

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.


Yeah... I was wondering about that. How did they not notice the choppa'? Maybe that's why they decided to start digging it up?
 
2013-03-28 08:48:16 AM
Yet another workplace accident.  They need Al-OSHA.
 
2013-03-28 08:48:33 AM

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.


It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.
 
2013-03-28 08:48:47 AM
Is the FAIL tag here because this is a repeat?
 
2013-03-28 08:49:50 AM
I wonder if they were actually planting the bomb, or if they were trying to remove it.
 
2013-03-28 08:50:19 AM
Looked like too many got away.
 
2013-03-28 08:50:32 AM
This must be one of those leaks from the marketing department.
 
2013-03-28 08:50:58 AM
was amusing tag busy laughing its ass off?
 
2013-03-28 08:52:35 AM
How do you not see the Apache flying around?  Did they not think to look UP?!
 
2013-03-28 08:53:08 AM

Alonjar: I wonder if they were actually planting the bomb, or if they were trying to remove it.


Both.
 
2013-03-28 08:53:39 AM
They show a propensity for two dimensional thinking.
 
2013-03-28 08:54:38 AM
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2013-03-28 08:55:12 AM

Alonjar: I wonder if they were actually planting the bomb, or if they were trying to remove it.


They observed the men bury and conceal the device, and then unearth it.  People don't usually camouflage things that they've discovered and want to remove.

I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there, but it was probably his father, brother, uncle or other close relation that did the blowing up.
 
2013-03-28 08:55:19 AM
And boom goes the insurgent.
 
2013-03-28 08:55:53 AM
I like happy endings
 
2013-03-28 08:56:15 AM

Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.


Based on how fast the bearings are changing (looking at both the heading indicator and using the road angle as a guide) and estimating the normal operating speed of an Apache, I'd say maybe a few miles at most. As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.
 
2013-03-28 08:56:49 AM

factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there


Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.
 
2013-03-28 08:57:08 AM

Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.


I would think so as well.  In the consumer market you can get thermal cameras with an operational range of 8 miles.  The goods in the consumer market are at least 20 years behind what is available to the military.  Guessing from the pixelation he could have been well over 15 miles away from that target.
 
2013-03-28 08:58:29 AM

Charlie Freak: As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities


Yeah but the people in the Taliban with access to the internet don't care if the schlubs they make bury the bombs get killed
 
2013-03-28 08:58:52 AM
Might have been some footage spliced in from a predator or something. Looks like different sources.
 
2013-03-28 09:00:46 AM

Charlie Freak: Based on how fast the bearings are changing (looking at both the heading indicator and using the road angle as a guide) and estimating the normal operating speed of an Apache, I'd say maybe a few miles at most. As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.


Not all insurgents are Taliban, organized, trained, or knowledgeable.  Some just decide they've had enough and jump in, Wolverine-style.  Or maybe all the good bomb guys are already littered in pieces about the countryside.
 
2013-03-28 09:02:00 AM
The Hellfire missile (just for reference) has a range of up to 5 miles - being one of the Apache's favorite load-outs I would take that to mean the optics on the Apache are quite capable out past 5 miles.

And while 5 miles doesnt sound like much set your trip odometer on your car some time... then pretend like you'd really be paying attention to that helicopter "way off in the distance"
 
2013-03-28 09:02:43 AM
Which proves the maxim that if you observe a problem long enough, either it will go away or you will.
 
2013-03-28 09:02:57 AM

Charlie Freak: As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.


Seeing as we can't seem to agree on how far away the helicopter is from the video why do you think that they would be able to? They aren't stupid but they aren't exactly surrounded by technology are they? It's one thing to know that helicopters fly and shoot rockets. It's another to assume that they can read the newspaper over you shoulder from the horizon.
 
2013-03-28 09:03:57 AM
"Never mind."
 
2013-03-28 09:07:28 AM
Am I the only one that thinks this would be even better if it were slightly sped up and had yakkity sax playing over it?
 
2013-03-28 09:07:45 AM
Helicopters are not rare in Afghanistan, they would have no reason to think that they were being observed directly. A lot of IEDs are planted ahead of a known patrol, and left just long enough for the earth to dry so to be indistinguishable.
 
2013-03-28 09:09:33 AM

The Muthaship: factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there

Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.


Yeah, I wasn't nearly concerned about the kid's safety as the Apache crew was.  It looks like those insurgents were going to die that day anyway, just held up by that meddling kid.

Listening to the radio communication was worth it.  Crew discussing plan of action with ground command and the "Never mind!" was perfect.
 
2013-03-28 09:14:25 AM

Charlie Freak: Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.

Based on how fast the bearings are changing (looking at both the heading indicator and using the road angle as a guide) and estimating the normal operating speed of an Apache, I'd say maybe a few miles at most. As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.


Those are videos of actions, not videos of capabilities. The true limits are not available to the public.
 
2013-03-28 09:14:30 AM
Been done before.
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2013-03-28 09:15:26 AM

lack of warmth: Yeah, I wasn't nearly concerned about the kid's safety as the Apache crew was.


I have a hunch they were more concerned with public relations than that kid.
 
2013-03-28 09:20:41 AM

Cybernetic: Never

mind

Understatement of the Year.
 
2013-03-28 09:21:42 AM

Egoy3k: Charlie Freak: As for the second part, I'd guess someone in the Taliban has seen plenty of YouTube videos of said capabilities.

Seeing as we can't seem to agree on how far away the helicopter is from the video why do you think that they would be able to? They aren't stupid but they aren't exactly surrounded by technology are they? It's one thing to know that helicopters fly and shoot rockets. It's another to assume that they can read the newspaper over you shoulder from the horizon.


I spent a year in Iraq working with EDUCATED Iraqis.  No AQ member could watch videos like this and use the helicopters changing bearing to calculate speed and distance.  There is just no way.  Educated Iraqis couldn't even do this.  Never mind that it's pretty simple mathematics.

I remember a meeting of the Council of Representatives where one guy "trumped" another by announcing that he had completed the sixth grade.  This is a person in Iraqi society on level with a U.S. Senator.  <insert U.S. Senator joke here>

We were rocket attacked on the Embassy compound twice a day my entire tour.  I was friends with some of the EOD guys who respond to those attacks.  They would show me the photos.  Two by fours propped up on car jacks cranked to various angles with the rockets resting on top in the hopes that maybe one or two would come close.  Maybe 3 of 12 would fire properly.  Some were wired incorrectly, others the cell phones used as timers had their alarms set to the wrong time (am not pm, etc).  Often times the rocket would just detonate on the ground ruining the rest of the bunch in the process.  These people aren't just dumb.  They are in a whole different class of stupid.
 
2013-03-28 09:21:51 AM
AWESOME
 
2013-03-28 09:22:06 AM
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2013-03-28 09:23:12 AM

pag1107: Might have been some footage spliced in from a predator or something. Looks like different sources.


It looks like they cut a few bits for brevity, and the gunner switched to FLIR at @ 1:00, but at no point was that not an Apache gun camera.
 
2013-03-28 09:23:35 AM
Why is it hard to believe that American soldiers would absolutely care about the safety of a child?  They are all sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers over there.  I have no doubt they did not want to hurt that child and would have not engaged if the child remained.  They had the coordinates.  Just knowing the IED was there meant it was benign.  Killing the insurgents would have been a bonus.  Saving the kid is human.  The IED took care of the insurgents.  The kid got away. Win-Win-Win
 
2013-03-28 09:24:24 AM
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"...and boom goes the dynamite IED."

/Reggie Miller's lookin' good tonight
 
2013-03-28 09:24:33 AM

2CountyFairs: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It must have a whisper mode.

[www.technovelgy.com image 423x511]


Was one of the victims known as "Double Dork?"
 
2013-03-28 09:25:44 AM

Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.


Yeah I heard the number '2400' mentioned by the pilot, so they were probably 2400 metres away. Far enough away to not be noticed, close enough for their Hellfires or the 30mm gun.
 
2013-03-28 09:27:18 AM
Reminded me of Wile E. Coyote....

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2013-03-28 09:28:33 AM
IED self-destructs, wounding insurgents

I suppose total body disruption is a kind of wounding...
 
2013-03-28 09:29:20 AM
Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.
 
2013-03-28 09:33:17 AM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.


Also, how in depth do you think their understanding on WHY we invaded them is? Misguided as our wars are, we still went over under the assumption that we would "get 'em back good for what they did". These people living in the desert, do they even know WHY invaders are occupying their homeland?
 
2013-03-28 09:34:42 AM

Rotluchs: Why is it hard to believe that American soldiers would absolutely care about the safety of a child?  They are all sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers over there.  I have no doubt they did not want to hurt that child and would have not engaged if the child remained.  They had the coordinates.  Just knowing the IED was there meant it was benign.  Killing the insurgents would have been a bonus.  Saving the kid is human.  The IED took care of the insurgents.  The kid got away. Win-Win-Win


For that matter, once everyone leaves (insurgents, kids and the guy getting water), just pop off a Hellfire or something from the rocket pod, blow it up, and send out a road crew later to do some resurfacing.
 
2013-03-28 09:38:46 AM

croesius: here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.

Also, how in depth do you think their understanding on WHY we invaded them is? Misguided as our wars are, we still went over under the assumption that we would "get 'em back good for what they did". These people living in the desert, do they even know WHY invaders are occupying their homeland?


There's kids out there who grew up with a foreign military in their country.
 
2013-03-28 09:40:59 AM

croesius: Also, how in depth do you think their understanding on WHY we invaded them is? Misguided as our wars are, we still went over under the assumption that we would "get 'em back good for what they did". These people living in the desert, do they even know WHY invaders are occupying their homeland?


Exactly. Not to sound bigoted but these do not seem like extremely educated people and what they do know is coming from manipulative people with an agenda against the west. Seeing their villages get bombed just confirms what they've been told.

Frankly these prolonged wars have only made things more dangerous for us. Something needed to be done but this was all very much the wrong way to go about it.
 
2013-03-28 09:41:09 AM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.


Eh, they were planting an IED, and they apparently didn't RTFM. That's hilarious.
 
2013-03-28 09:42:04 AM
It says the insurgents were wounded, how did that not blow them all sky high???  Surely most were killed instantly.
 
2013-03-28 09:43:37 AM

WhiskeyBoy: No AQ member could watch videos like this and use the helicopters changing bearing to calculate speed and distance.


Not sure I can either. Wouldn't you need two of those to calculate the third?
 
2013-03-28 09:47:12 AM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.


ONLY it would be those of US that are not pinko gun afraid liberals like you. You liberal gun fearing  peaceniks would be cowering in your tents while brave men and women gathered their guns together and defended YOU. How is that gun control looking now that you know that the current US leaders think nothing of killing citizens on US soil? No need to fear an invasion when the invaders are brought in by the busload, planeload, and given FREE food,shelter and education. Google Somali refugees in the US and see how well they assimilate versus wanting YOU to follow their beliefs. LOOK back on immigration records and see when was the last time the US actually aided foreign migration to the US. You may find it was the Vietnamese and those immigrants actually  Wanted to become Americanized as opposed to the current flock of "immigrants" (read invaders)_.
 
2013-03-28 09:49:53 AM
That was awesome.
 
GCD
2013-03-28 09:51:09 AM

Okieboy: It says the insurgents were wounded, how did that not blow them all sky high???  Surely most were killed instantly.


Because "wounded" sounds a little more appealing to the average person than "blown to pieces that resembled a spilled bowl of M&M's".
 
2013-03-28 09:52:14 AM

Okieboy: It says the insurgents were wounded, how did that not blow them all sky high???  Surely most were killed instantly.


If true, they buried it too deep in soft soil, creating a mighty plume of dust but likely too little high-velocity rock/shrapnel to kill.  Which isn't to say they aren't deafened, broken, bleeding and traumatized... you can live through that even if it is miserable.
 
2013-03-28 09:52:16 AM

swangoatman: here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.

ONLY it would be those of US that are not pinko gun afraid liberals like you. You liberal gun fearing  peaceniks would be cowering in your tents while brave men and women gathered their guns together and defended YOU. How is that gun control looking now that you know that the current US leaders think nothing of killing citizens on US soil? No need to fear an invasion when the invaders are brought in by the busload, planeload, and given FREE food,shelter and education. Google Somali refugees in the US and see how well they assimilate versus wanting YOU to follow their beliefs. LOOK back on immigration records and see when was the last time the US actually aided foreign migration to the US. You may find it was the Vietnamese and those immigrants actually  Wanted to become Americanized as opposed to the current flock of "immigrants" (read invaders)_.


Take your meds.
 
2013-03-28 09:53:30 AM
That's an AC-130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.
 
2013-03-28 09:56:05 AM
That is an AC130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.
 
2013-03-28 09:56:47 AM
fark
 
2013-03-28 09:59:11 AM
factoryconnection:  Or maybe all the good bomb guys are already littered in pieces about the countryside.

Then they're not good bomb guys.  QED.
 
2013-03-28 09:59:34 AM
I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protest themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

IED --> Bomb
 
2013-03-28 10:00:12 AM
According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.
 
2013-03-28 10:01:41 AM
Why does the audio and video from the military seem so distorted all the time?
 
2013-03-28 10:01:42 AM
"You play with the bull, you get the horns....."
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-28 10:06:31 AM
Why do people think that the military has access to higher technology than is commonly available?

They don't

They pay quite a bit for the 12 mile out optics, you are just unwilling to pay 200K for some glorified binoculars.
 
2013-03-28 10:06:47 AM
When they say "wounded" do they mean like in Warhammer 40k where a wounded trooper is also a dead trooper and his model is removed from the table?
 
2013-03-28 10:07:04 AM

lordaction: On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected?


They are too busy biatching about the outrageous gas prices still, wait.....
 
2013-03-28 10:07:19 AM

liquidlen: Why does the audio and video from the military seem so distorted all the time?


For the same reason the audio / video from CCTV sources is. There is A LOT of it, since they film everything, so compression is a big factor.

Plus they are miles away from the subjects.
 
2013-03-28 10:07:35 AM

swangoatman: here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.

ONLY it would be those of US that are not pinko gun afraid liberals like you. You liberal gun fearing  peaceniks would be cowering in your tents while brave men and women gathered their guns together and defended YOU. How is that gun control looking now that you know that the current US leaders think nothing of killing citizens on US soil? No need to fear an invasion when the invaders are brought in by the busload, planeload, and given FREE food,shelter and education. Google Somali refugees in the US and see how well they assimilate versus wanting YOU to follow their beliefs. LOOK back on immigration records and see when was the last time the US actually aided foreign migration to the US. You may find it was the Vietnamese and those immigrants actually  Wanted to become Americanized as opposed to the current flock of "immigrants" (read invaders)_.


Translation: *RAGE BONER*

Seriously, dude. Relax.
 
2013-03-28 10:08:36 AM
Waiting for the edited version from an anti war group......


Pilot: there is a kid at the site
Controller: Go ahead and fire
 
2013-03-28 10:11:55 AM

lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.


If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.
 
2013-03-28 10:13:19 AM
Two things.

One, about 7 years ago a refugee family from Afghanistan moved into a rental house next door to me. They weren't bad people. I got to know them over a couple of years, but my impression of them was and is. They're used to violence and don't have the same checks and balances in place as people born and raised here. And, I don't trust them. The youngest moved here when he was about 5. He's always been a violent little bugger. I've seen him threatening to brain his slightly older sister with a rock over the littlest thing. Plus, he's destructive as hell. They smashed the hell out of that house. I'm glad I didn't rent it to them (they moved last year). Makes me worry about the future of him and his family in my country.

Two, I'm a bastard in every sense of the word. I watched that video and what came to mind was "why would he say go away kid". Yep, that's horrible, I know it. But, I also think one less insurgent you'd have to fight in the future.

I never said I was a good guy.
 
2013-03-28 10:15:53 AM
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Hello? Bob?


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No sorry, This is Bomb.

www.airforcetimes.com

Zoinks!
 
2013-03-28 10:18:00 AM

Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.


Yeah, because there were totally not any anti-war marches at all that in no way were ever shown on Al-Jazeera.  That never happened, right?
 
2013-03-28 10:24:22 AM

Alonjar: I wonder if they were actually planting the bomb, or if they were trying to remove it.


What a farking moran.


Even though this is old:

(Imokwiththis/jpg)
 
2013-03-28 10:28:08 AM
Reducing overpopulation the old fashioned way.
 
2013-03-28 10:30:55 AM
I think it was nice to try and do the job without fragging the kid
but to be honest,
one less to become my enemy.

-been to a few sandboxes, and I sleep reeeeal good-
 
2013-03-28 10:31:41 AM

lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.


Yes, I feel like there has been less of that around. However, I think it's more attributable to the short attention span of the US populace than anything else. It's just that when GWB was in office, war-related stuff got pushed into the limelight a lot more. Why? I don't know.
 
2013-03-28 10:32:27 AM

lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.


The anti-war movement was pretty much focused on Iraq - you know - the war Bush started because he had daddy issues. Obama ran on a platform of pulling out of Iraq, finishing the job in Afghanistan, and getting OBL. Well, he's gotten two of those accomplished and the third is all mapped out.
 
2013-03-28 10:34:22 AM

mrlewish: Why do people think that the military has access to higher technology than is commonly available?

They don't

They pay quite a bit for the 12 mile out optics, you are just unwilling to pay 200K for some glorified binoculars.


If you have to pay 200K for something then it isn't common. Bleeding edge always costs shiatloads of money. The military has shiatloads of money, so they have lots of bleeding edge tech.

They also have lots of 30+ year old tech that they throw shiatloads of money at to keep running, which isn't commonly available either.
 
2013-03-28 10:36:46 AM
www.thecomputershow.com
"Them boys blowed up reeeeeeal good."
 
2013-03-28 10:37:50 AM

lordaction: Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.

Yeah, because there were totally not any anti-war marches at all that in no way were ever shown on Al-Jazeera.  That never happened, right?


If you think televised anti-war marches is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.
 
2013-03-28 10:38:48 AM

The Muthaship: factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there

Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.


When the Nazis were asked why they sent children to the extermination camps, they said that after what they had done to the children's parents, they would have no choice but to grow up to be the enemies of the Nazi state so they were just eliminating the problem early.
 
2013-03-28 10:41:09 AM

H31N0US: lack of warmth: Yeah, I wasn't nearly concerned about the kid's safety as the Apache crew was.

I have a hunch they were more concerned with public relations than that kid.


This.

If you're smart enough to be able to pilot a farkin' Apache, you're smart enough to know that your comms are being recorded back at base.  Even if it slips your mind (because, well, you're piloting a farkin' helicopter in an unsafe area and that can be more than a little stress-inducing) the REMFs back at base sure won't forget it.  They've got at least a PR weenie there, if they don't have a full-on embedded Geraldo with a camera.

Anyhow, glad to see karma in action.


can we call them "political officers" yet?
 
2013-03-28 10:41:56 AM

Ultraviolet Catastrophe: The Muthaship: factoryconnection: I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there

Me too.  He's unlikely to want to kill more Americans for revenge.

When the Nazis were asked why they sent children to the extermination camps, they said that after what they had done to the children's parents, they would have no choice but to grow up to be the enemies of the Nazi state so they were just eliminating the problem early.


Were those kids out on 'take your little extremist to work day" like this kid?  He was already functioning as an "insurgent".  Press the button.

/lovely Godwin, though
 
2013-03-28 10:52:08 AM

Giltric: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]
Hello? Bob?


[cartinafinland.fi image 600x400]
No sorry, This is Bomb.

[www.airforcetimes.com image 800x529]

Zoinks!


This is Verizon, wishing you a Happy New....KABOOM!
 
2013-03-28 10:54:49 AM

madgonad: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

The anti-war movement was pretty much focused on Iraq - you know - the war Bush started because he had daddy issues. Obama ran on a platform of pulling out of Iraq, finishing the job in Afghanistan, and getting OBL. Well, he's gotten two of those accomplished and the third is all mapped out.


The one authorized by congress and given the green light by the UN? That war?

/asshat
 
2013-03-28 10:56:47 AM

Joe Blowme: The one authorized by congress and given the green light by the UN?


On the basis of information the intelligence community knew to be false.

That war?

Yes, that one.
 
2013-03-28 11:00:17 AM

Arthen: That is an AC130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.


Well, no.  notsureifseriousdotjpeg?
 
2013-03-28 11:04:36 AM

Arthen: That's an AC-130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.


We don't fly them during light IIRC. I'm pretty sure that footage is not at night.
 
2013-03-28 11:07:32 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [www.thecomputershow.com image 300x225]
"Them boys blowed up reeeeeeal good."


"Huuuush Puppy"
 
2013-03-28 11:08:14 AM

FarkinNortherner: Joe Blowme: The one authorized by congress and given the green light by the UN?

On the basis of information the intelligence community knew to be false from over a dozen nations believed to be true along with the many other reasons as stated in

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002  that i have never read because who needs facts when i have talking points from the DNC

That war?

Yes, that one.


Educate yourself
 
2013-03-28 11:16:38 AM
was that an apache or was that an ac-130?
 
2013-03-28 11:20:21 AM

JMan245: was that an apache or was that an ac-130?


Apache optics, daytime, low altitude.
 
2013-03-28 11:28:45 AM

Joe Blowme: Educate yourself


Your counter argument is that the action was authorized on the basis of the Joint Resolution? The Joint Resolution that relied upon evidence that was, in one case, supplied on the basis of what someone heard from a cab driver on the way to the airport two years earlier?

My point is not that the action was legal, it was clearly authorized by the UN, but that the information on which that authorization was based was known to be, at best, extremely suspect at the time.

Even the Butler Enquiry, which was composed of a panel hand-picked by Tony Blair, described the information received regarding WMDs as 'seriously flawed'.
 
2013-03-28 11:36:36 AM

FarkinNortherner: Joe Blowme: Educate yourself

Your counter argument is that the action was authorized on the basis of the Joint Resolution? The Joint Resolution that relied upon evidence that was, in one case, supplied on the basis of what someone heard from a cab driver on the way to the airport two years earlier?

My point is not that the action was legal, it was clearly authorized by the UN, but that the information on which that authorization was based was known to be, at best, extremely suspect at the time.

Even the Butler Enquiry, which was composed of a panel hand-picked by Tony Blair, described the information received regarding WMDs as 'seriously flawed'.


One of the many reasons was found to be inaccurate, it was not all about WMDs. You can you read the resolution for a fuller understanding behind why we went in. All teh top intel agencies thought he had reconstituted his WMD progam, instead we just found the stuff to make the shiat but old weponized stuff (arty shells with chemical agents and tons of yellow cake) cept for the stuff that reportedly went to syria via russian help but as soon as Assad falls we might get a bigger picture. What were we supposed to do? Trust Saddam? A man who used WMDs on his own people? Paid suicide bombers who killed innocent people on busses? Tried to assassinate a former POTUS? I would go on but you hear what you want to hear and know only what you heard.
 
2013-03-28 11:39:25 AM
Darwin wins.  Flawless (but prolly a little messy) victory.

Also:

cache.ohinternet.com
 
Bf+
2013-03-28 11:40:18 AM
img1.fark.net    i17.photobucket.com  Not news: Insurgents plant IED. News: While Apache pilot monitoring from above. FARK: IED Self-destructs, eliminating insurgents if the video is old enough, the no-videos-of-human-death rule will be overlooked.

/FIFYS
 
2013-03-28 11:40:27 AM
War porn is the food porn of the future.
 
2013-03-28 11:42:02 AM
Damn...the good guys lost a hero.
 
2013-03-28 11:47:55 AM

Thunderboy: JMan245: was that an apache or was that an ac-130?

Apache optics, daytime, low altitude.


thanks.  wasn't sure.
 
2013-03-28 11:49:28 AM

Joe Blowme: All teh top intel agencies thought he had reconstituted his WMD progam, instead we just found the stuff to make the shiat but old weponized stuff (arty shells with chemical agents and tons of yellow cake)


We didn't find any new yellow cake uranium. What senior sources in the Iraqi regime told SIS in 2002 was absolutely true, they hadn't bought any new uranium and hadn't started a new WMD program.
There were, of course, other reasons to go to war, but 'Saddam Hussein is a bad man' would never have been adequate on its own.

Joe Blowme: I would go on but you hear what you want to hear and know only what you heard.


You appear to have spent the last decade not listening at all...
 
2013-03-28 12:01:18 PM
2009 video is old.  It's been on YouTube for several years.
 
2013-03-28 12:06:02 PM
"Is that a kid?  DAMMIT!  Goawaykidgoawaykidgoawaykid..."
 
2013-03-28 12:12:30 PM
For some reason, this video reminded me of this, so I had to go back and watch it: LEROY JENKINS!!

thebrandrackley.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-28 12:12:53 PM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.


Cry moar noob
 
2013-03-28 12:18:52 PM

FarkinNortherner: Joe Blowme: All teh top intel agencies thought he had reconstituted his WMD progam, instead we just found the stuff to make the shiat but old weponized stuff (arty shells with chemical agents and tons of yellow cake)

We didn't find any new yellow cake uranium. What senior sources in the Iraqi regime told SIS in 2002 was absolutely true, they hadn't bought any new uranium and hadn't started a new WMD program.
There were, of course, other reasons to go to war, but 'Saddam Hussein is a bad man' would never have been adequate on its own.

KNow how i know you have never read the resolution?

Joe Blowme: I would go on but you hear what you want to hear and know only what you heard.

You appear to have spent the last decade not listening at all...



Right, i did do alot of reading for myself... unlike you obviously who just believed what you were told instead of doing your own research. I understand reading is hard and takes time so just keep watching tv.
 
2013-03-28 12:20:42 PM

Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.

Most of us just associate it with bankruptcy but meh.
 
2013-03-28 12:21:23 PM

SweetDickens: Damn...the good guys lost a hero.


www.zerohedge.com
 
2013-03-28 12:26:22 PM

madgonad: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

The anti-war movement was pretty much focused on Iraq - you know - the war Bush started because he had daddy issues. Obama ran on a platform of pulling out of Iraq, finishing the job in Afghanistan, and getting OBL. Well, he's gotten two of those accomplished and the third is all mapped out.


Exactly how has he done 2 of 3? Seal team 6 got OBL .. ok ill give him that one as hes commander and chief of the military so he gets a gimmie but he did shiat. Last I checked we still have troops in Afganistan and Iraq. so he's got a weak 1out of 3 at best.
 
2013-03-28 12:29:44 PM
So..no virgins then?
 
2013-03-28 12:31:04 PM

Kalashinator: Yeah I heard the number '2400' mentioned by the pilot, so they were probably 2400 metres away. Far enough away to not be noticed, close enough for their Hellfires or the 30mm gun.


As a pilot, I took that to be their altitude.  Could be wrong, but pilots like to know that other pilots in the same area are at different altitudes.  It helps avoid the sound of bending metal.
 
Ehh
2013-03-28 12:34:20 PM

madgonad: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

The anti-war movement was pretty much focused on Iraq - you know - the war Bush started because he had daddy issues. Obama ran on a platform of pulling out of Iraq, finishing the job in Afghanistan, and getting OBL. Well, he's gotten two of those accomplished and the third is all mapped out.


Also, petitioning the government for redress of grievances and giving aid and comfort to the enemy are not the same thing. There are plenty of peace activist sites on the Internet worth checking out, plus there was that whole Occupy movement thing. Didn't Obama himself say he didn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? Still, his election was a step in the right direction, many think, in that it was a step away from the Bush Cabal: Part II. And so on.
 
2013-03-28 12:41:39 PM
For you guys talking about the distance out the Apache was; while you all have an extremely valid point on that... have you ever been near one flying?

Truth be told, they're quiet. Scary quiet for a helicopter. They were meant to sit at a bit of a distance and loiter, and not be caught doing so. They do it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUYrEaF_ry8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1szl975YvRQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHfc1YIInWk


Last time I saw one, it was a few miles behind a Blackhawk. I never knew it was there because I was too busy watching the blackhawk fly by, and never even heard the Apache.

/now supercobras... those farkers are loud
//and A-10s, but those aren't choppas, just their own bucket of badass bolts.
 
2013-03-28 12:43:50 PM

craig328: Darwin wins.  Flawless (but prolly a little messy) victory.

Also:

[cache.ohinternet.com image 250x233]


Years from now, natural selection will create a super-Jihad breed of terrorists with high level IED building skills.
 
2013-03-28 12:45:54 PM

Joe Blowme: KNow how i know you have never read the resolution?


I can only assume the batteries for your psychic radar are in the same place as Saddam's nukes.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:35 PM

Archimedes' Principal: craig328: Darwin wins.  Flawless (but prolly a little messy) victory.

Also:

[cache.ohinternet.com image 250x233]

Years from now, natural selection will create a super-Jihad breed of terrorists with high level IED building skills.


Well, that assumes that being able to successfully blow up infidels is a selected-for trait by women in the sandbox.
 
2013-03-28 01:06:51 PM

Giltric: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]
Hello? Bob?


[cartinafinland.fi image 600x400]
No sorry, This is Bomb.

[www.airforcetimes.com image 800x529]

Zoinks!


The Nokia would have survived
 
2013-03-28 01:09:07 PM

Langston: Problem arises.

Problem solves itself.


Problem STAYING solved.
 
2013-03-28 01:09:41 PM
craig328:  Well, that assumes that being able to successfully blow up infidels is a selected-for trait by women in the sandbox.

Only if there is a choice between men who do/don't prefer to blow up infidels.  Assuming blowing up infidels isn't a variable trait in men in the sandbox, the assumption is correct.
 
2013-03-28 01:12:42 PM

craig328: Archimedes' Principal: craig328: Darwin wins.  Flawless (but prolly a little messy) victory.

Also:

[cache.ohinternet.com image 250x233]

Years from now, natural selection will create a super-Jihad breed of terrorists with high level IED building skills.

Well, that assumes that being able to successfully blow up infidels is a selected-for trait by women in the sandbox.


Your reasoning assumes the women have a choice.
 
2013-03-28 01:14:03 PM
cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
 
2013-03-28 01:26:34 PM

walkerhound: craig328:  Well, that assumes that being able to successfully blow up infidels is a selected-for trait by women in the sandbox.

Only if there is a choice between men who do/don't prefer to blow up infidels.  Assuming blowing up infidels isn't a variable trait in men in the sandbox, the assumption is correct.


That's true.  We're also assuming that such overt behavior is expressed in a gene sequence that's contained on the Y chromosome (by the paternal contribution).

Kinda like the goat farking gene is.
 
2013-03-28 01:32:57 PM

Arthen: That's an AC-130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.


Could be, lots of inter-vehcile functionality of that sort.  F-15's will lase a target and take video, but the missile comes from elsewhere..... but the overlay isn't the same as what's on C-130's, gunships, cargo, or refuelers.
Audio isn't from the outside, it's an overlay from the communications systems.  Virtually all such recordings sound the same.  A bit of hiss and muted voices. If you think it's oddly muted, try actually using them.  Always screwed with my equilibrium.

As for the parallel flight motion, all aircraft can move.  typically the FLIR is mounted in, or has optics that are mounted in, a rotating and spinning nose assembly.(think R2-D2 with the added ability to look up).  IIRC, it's standard practice to strafe or fly around such objectives so that you can see it from all angles, as well as not be a stationary target if you were to get noticed.

Mouthoy: How do you not see the Apache flying around?  Did they not think to look UP?!


1. Up?  These things are often miles away, hardly ever operate "over" the target.(with the exception of things like jets, and even then it's only for a second as it passes by, hence the above, the tendency to circle around a target).
2. IR cameras don't need visible light, most of what you see in video's like this is at night.

H31N0US: liquidlen: Why does the audio and video from the military seem so distorted all the time?

For the same reason the audio / video from CCTV sources is. There is A LOT of it, since they film everything, so compression is a big factor.

Plus they are miles away from the subjects.


Some of this.

The equipment is also older.  You can't just strap up a fancy yet flimsy consumer digital recorder and expect it to last with all the forces and vibrations that it will get on a military vehicle.  These things are specially designed to be very durable, to do that they've had to sacrifice a lot of "quality".

It's not just that, these items have to be repairable in less than optimal conditions, and function in highly variable temperatures, which means sizable connectors, epoxy coatings, larger component parts. integrated cooling, etc.

/worked on the equipment when I was in the service.

BlackCat23: Truth be told, they're quiet. Scary quiet for a helicopter


This.
 
2013-03-28 01:36:24 PM
Spud: That's exactly how I heard it in my mind.

/// Now get off my lawn
 
2013-03-28 01:45:40 PM

IrishBlunder: Been done before.
[londonparticulars.files.wordpress.com image 337x554]


Came for this leaving happy.
 
2013-03-28 01:49:20 PM

craig328: That's true.  We're also assuming that such overt behavior is expressed in a gene sequence that's contained on the Y chromosome (by the paternal contribution).

Kinda like the goat farking gene is.


Whoa.  Now how is that one maintained in the gene pool?  Middle Eastern women are goats?
 
2013-03-28 01:52:40 PM

Netrngr: Seal team 6 got OBL .. ok ill give him that one as hes commander and chief of the military so he gets a gimmie but he did shiat.


Gotta laugh at this.

Well by that logic, Obama is not in Afghanistan or Iraq. Nor does he have much to do with the economy that the Right is blaming him for every day.

He is still guilty as hell of being only half white, though.
 
2013-03-28 02:01:23 PM

walkerhound: craig328: That's true.  We're also assuming that such overt behavior is expressed in a gene sequence that's contained on the Y chromosome (by the paternal contribution).

Kinda like the goat farking gene is.

Whoa.  Now how is that one maintained in the gene pool?  Middle Eastern women are goats?


I'm suggesting that selected-for behaviors in the sandbox have more than a genetic origin.  See, you would think that goat farking would die out eventually but, according to a recent Time/CNN poll of approximately every single goat they could locate in a sandbox (that would speak on record), the behavior is still going strong.

Because a genetic component to that behavior wouldn't be a selected-for trait on a strictly genetic basis, it would appear that sandbox women at least tacitly select for this activity given its endemic prevalence in the sandbox population in general.  Either that or it's an activity that's established before procreation years arrive.

Indeed, the video showed one of the now sandier/chunkier members of the sandbox had already apparently procreated and thus while engaging in an activity that should rightfully strain his stain from the local gene pool, he was still successful in passing his genes along before being Darwin evicted him with extreme prejudice.
 
2013-03-28 02:06:54 PM

Netrngr: team 6 got OBL

ok ill give him that one as hes commander and chief of the military so he gets a gimmie but he did shiat.

And by the same logic, OBL had pretty much nothing to do with 9/11.  Almost all the credit/blame goes to Mohamed Atta and Co., right?
 
2013-03-28 02:23:32 PM

here to help: Well that was grim. Is this what we do here now?

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

Yeah... I was wondering about that. How did they not notice the choppa'? Maybe that's why they decided to start digging it up?


First, the chopper was at 2700, as they say in the video.  Which more than likely is measured in meters.  (could be feet) In either case, that's more than far enough away to not hear the aircraft clearly.  Hell, there is a coast guard airbase right by my house and I only hear them when they fly directly over.

Second, you noticed of course that they were circling the entire time.

Third, and this is really the interesting part.  Why does the video after detonation have debris on the camera?  Think about it for a second.
 
2013-03-28 02:31:06 PM

Kahabut: Third, and this is really the interesting part.  Why does the video after detonation have debris on the camera?  Think about it for a second.


Because the pilot spit out his coffee?
 
2013-03-28 02:37:23 PM

Kahabut: Why does the video after detonation have debris on the camera?  Think about it for a second.


Because the artifacts were there the whole video.

As someone who worked on such equipment it was the first thing I noticed.  I imagine requirements as such are less strenuous out in the field, but if we had any nicks in the lens covers that were visible on video, it got swapped out ASAP.

On helicopters, typically it's nicks and pockmarks, take offs and landings(you and other aircraft) can stir up a lot of hard particles.  The things are supposed to be stowed(a position where it will take the least amount of damage), but often enough it's just flipped off wherever it was pointed.

F-15's in the SE United States the big thing was farking bugs splattering and epoxying in place.  You think the bumper on your car is bad...
 
2013-03-28 02:38:29 PM

Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.


I've actually been under an Apache hovering about 100ft above me.  They are very quiet.  No comparison to a civilian helo.
 
2013-03-28 03:33:27 PM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.


Schadenfreude != nationalism.
 
2013-03-28 03:38:21 PM

Kahabut: Why does the video after detonation have debris on the camera?


Cause it was there before the detonation?
 
2013-03-28 03:38:25 PM

Rotluchs: Why is it hard to believe that American soldiers would absolutely care about the safety of a child?  They are all sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers over there.  I have no doubt they did not want to hurt that child and would have not engaged if the child remained.  They had the coordinates.  Just knowing the IED was there meant it was benign.  Killing the insurgents would have been a bonus.  Saving the kid is human.  The IED took care of the insurgents.  The kid got away. Win-Win-Win


Those turrists planting the IED were kids at one time and look how they turned out.  That kid was already halfway though Jihad training by the looks of it and was no doubt well on his way to being a full blown haji.  I hope that one of those clowns was this kids father, maybe he'll choose a different path.
 
2013-03-28 03:54:58 PM

omeganuepsilon: Kahabut: Why does the video after detonation have debris on the camera?  Think about it for a second.

Because the artifacts were there the whole video.

As someone who worked on such equipment it was the first thing I noticed.  I imagine requirements as such are less strenuous out in the field, but if we had any nicks in the lens covers that were visible on video, it got swapped out ASAP.

On helicopters, typically it's nicks and pockmarks, take offs and landings(you and other aircraft) can stir up a lot of hard particles.  The things are supposed to be stowed(a position where it will take the least amount of damage), but often enough it's just flipped off wherever it was pointed.

F-15's in the SE United States the big thing was farking bugs splattering and epoxying in place.  You think the bumper on your car is bad...


It's so much more fun to make up conspiracies though.  That being said, your explanation makes too much sense to dispute.

(I think the deflector for my car is made out of a glue like material soluble only in bug guts, and my car rarely reaches 100+ ground speed)
 
2013-03-28 04:27:43 PM

Rotluchs: Why is it hard to believe that American soldiers would absolutely care about the safety of a child?  They are all sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers over there.  I have no doubt they did not want to hurt that child and would have not engaged if the child remained.  They had the coordinates.  Just knowing the IED was there meant it was benign.  Killing the insurgents would have been a bonus.  Saving the kid is human.  The IED took care of the insurgents.  The kid got away. Win-Win-Win


Because, ideally to the authoritarian segment of the population, the soldiers would be reduced to unthinking, unfeeling robot-like organisms before being put on the battlefield. Then we could perfectly win all our wars with no human casualties, because everything on our side that's doing the fighting would never question orders, are just as willing to kill themselves as to kill the enemy, and can be cleanly disposed of after the battle without any concern for human rights, since they're really not human any more.

/sadly, even the most powerful brainwashing and suggestion-implanting techniques developed by the intellectual left has been unable to do this with a 100% success rate
//good thing we can finally mass-produce aerial drones
 
2013-03-28 04:35:19 PM

DubtodaIll: Egoy3k: Deep Contact: Must of been a very quiet helicopter.

It was probably a good distance from them. The optics on an Apache (or any attack helicopter) are pretty impressive and it's unlikely that the Taliban has any idea of their capabilities.

I would think so as well.  In the consumer market you can get thermal cameras with an operational range of 8 miles.  The goods in the consumer market are at least 20 years behind what is available to the military.


Yeah...about that.  Anything in today's military is commercial off the shelf.  If they have it, you can too, if your wallet is fat enough.
 
2013-03-28 04:41:14 PM

FarkinNortherner: Joe Blowme: The one authorized by congress and given the green light by the UN?

On the basis of information the intelligence community knew to be false.


The information that every intelligence agency in the world agreed on and still stand by to this day?  That Democrats and Republicans alike agreed on and was unanimously approved by the UN Security Council?  That intelligence?
 
2013-03-28 05:01:33 PM

Kahabut: It's so much more fun to make up conspiracies though.


No need to, want to see some disturbing awesome video?  Guns slaved to the camera, point and shoot.

Dislaimer:  No red blood, but white hot sillouete of gore.  Maybe NSFW/lunch if your particularly easily unsettled or work for prudes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHw_JWLkqOo
/an often seen video, insurgents trying to hide a weapon in a farm field, things go way south
//I find it amazing that the guys are so nervous it is very obvious.  Hint, if you're that much of a nelly, you should just maybe give up on the soldiering bit.

No need of tall tales to scare the shiat out of people.  These vehicles are farking deadly.
Here's some more that demonstrate differences/uses in other fighting aircraft.
(others yet are just used for observation/navigation)

Some AC-130 gunship flir footage(good audio if you have a good set of sealed cans that isolate your ears from outside sources, sounds almost like how it sounds on the plane, but lacking the altitude/cabin pressure effect, turn it way down to compensate)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F18X2ARcHXk
(Call of Duty games did a fair job of emulating this, and that even got made fun of in the A-Team movie if you saw that, "Wow, that looks just like Call of Duty!"  said the agent who's only real fighting as such was in video games)

F-15(same things used on F-14-15-16's)  In action(lots of gulf war stuff if you watched clips back in the day they'll seem familiar)
This was the equipment I worked on the most.
(may want audio down for this one, some clips have none, others are sparking and popping)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHCL4_v_z3o

That last one was the older pods, newer ones came into use about ten or so years ago(round about when I parted ways) with better video and tracking, IIRC  There were some footage of those but I closed the tab(I thought I'd pasted the link but I don't see it here.)  Lots more on youtube of similar stuff you you're interested.
(I was shifted from F15 bases to C-130 base, large reason that I left the service, I got farked over when they(Some high level doo-wa who thinks all the equipment is the same) shifted jobs classifications around and had to start from scratch in learning the airframe) .
It's like working on a modern computer, being excited about the new one on the way, and then getting stuffed into a different office with less intelligent people and equipment that's 20 years older.
/yeah I'm still bitter
 
2013-03-28 05:13:23 PM

StrangeQ: Anything in today's military is commercial off the shelf.


lol

Not quite.

Their RnD is way above what we can get in some regards, the technology in the field is decades behind consumer items(but necessarily so, i went into that up thread a ways)
 
2013-03-28 06:11:34 PM
Sometimes, you can't do more than nod your head and smile.
 
2013-03-28 06:45:03 PM
WhiskeyBoy:
We were rocket attacked on the Embassy compound twice a day my entire tour.  I was friends with some of the EOD guys who respond to those attacks.  They would show me the photos.  Two by fours propped up on car jacks cranked to various angles with the rockets resting on top in the hopes that maybe one or two would come close.  Maybe 3 of 12 would fire properly.  Some were wired incorrectly, others the cell phones used as timers had their alarms set to the wrong time (am not pm, etc).  Often times the rocket would just detonate on the ground ruining the rest of the bunch in the process.  These people aren't just dumb.  They are in a whole different class of stupid.

When were you at the embassy. I was there July 2010 to aug 2011.
 
2013-03-28 06:47:16 PM
i.imgur.com

Because no people , anywhere, would ever have a just reason to fight Americans, right?

Remember Abeer Hamza.
 
2013-03-28 07:08:05 PM
And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.
 
2013-03-28 07:20:17 PM

STRYPERSWINE: The information that every intelligence agency in the world agreed on and still stand by to this day?


You surely don't actually believe that? It wasn't even true at the time, the Dutch expressed serious concerns regarding the supposed purchase of uranium.
 
2013-03-28 07:35:05 PM

DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.


The funny thing is most of them wouldn't even know they were occupied by a foreign army if they weren't constantly being reminded by Al-Jazeera.

/the bombs in the tenth anniversary mass bombing weren't even targeted at Americans, but at fellow Iraqis (Sunni and Shia) in schools, universities and hospitals
//if you wonder why Iraqis would attack schools, universities, and hospitals, you should know that Al-Jazeera tells them anyone with education in anything but Sharia law is really an American
 
2013-03-28 09:13:20 PM

here to help: Yanno... it's one thing to be glad some bad guys had their cunning plan foiled but the sheer joy being expressed here is a little gross. Those are people just trying to deter an invading army like many of us would if put in the same position.

War is disgusting and not something to fap over.


Is the US the only invading force? Definitely from the Taliban's point of view. But what about the Taliban? Are they not an invading force which seized control of Kabul with the help of the ISI (and American supplied weapons and war machines)? Before the Taliban militarily seized Afghanistan, women could work in government offices, go to school, wear skirts, etc. This whole quagmire is a lot more complicated than "US: foreign invaders! Taliban: grassroots liberation movement!" Everyday Afghans have been stuck in the farking crossfire for decades.
 
2013-03-28 09:19:45 PM

DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.


Yes, because no native Afghans tried fighting the Taliban themselves.
 
2013-03-28 10:02:37 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [www.thecomputershow.com image 300x225]
"Them boys blowed up reeeeeeal good."


"Mah head hurts, my feet stink an I dont love Jesus"

Some indy group needs to remake that game.  Possibly into a MMO.
 
2013-03-28 10:08:12 PM

Egoy3k: lordaction: According to the liberals that post on all these vids, these guys were just poor farmers that were tilling the ground to plant crops for their hungry children.  On a side not, isn't it amazing how silent the anti-war left has been since Obama got elected.  It is almost as if those guys were giving aid and comfort to the enemy purely over politics.

If you think making stupid (in this case incredibly stupid) comments on the internet is 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' then you have a seriously distorted worldview. It's no wonder that people like to you equate socialized medicine with communism.


Where are all the anti-war protests for president drone strike, eh? It's been pretty quiet out there. Internet comments are irrelevant compared to the utter silence from folks who couldn't stop astro turfing mass demonstrations during Bush's presidency.

The difference is enough to make you think those folks aren't anti-war, they're just on the other side. Plus, have you ever tried counter protesting the 'peaceniks' ? They get pretty physical pretty fast. If they're sincere at all- which I doubt- their anti-war attitudes are compensation for explosive anger problems.
 
2013-03-28 10:12:19 PM

SweetDickens: Damn...the good bad guys lost a gained an hero

FTFY
 
2013-03-28 10:14:56 PM

Arthen: That's an AC-130 optics package. Source: parallel flight motion, lack of chopper noise in audio, this dream I had.


The same plane 0bama watched Benghazi from?
 
2013-03-28 10:40:47 PM
Two words... Glass. Parking. Lot.
 
2013-03-28 11:13:41 PM
Old videos are old....
 
2013-03-28 11:55:54 PM
"I wanted a Bud Light!"
 
2013-03-29 12:14:48 AM
Yep, we're burning a shiatton a fuel in $130 million state-of-the-art airplanes, for hours at a time... monitoring a few guys down the road from their house with an IED that's worth $100.

What do you think the actual, hourly support cost of all the personnel involved with that mission was?

And we've been doing this for a decade... and we're sequestering our spending here at home?
 
2013-03-29 12:32:35 AM

Kludge: Yep, we're burning a shiatton a fuel in $130 million state-of-the-art airplanes, for hours at a time... monitoring a few guys down the road from their house with an IED that's worth $100.

What do you think the actual, hourly support cost of all the personnel involved with that mission was?

And we've been doing this for a decade... and we're sequestering our spending here at home?


If you're a guy, you'd understand the hesitation to pull out once you've committed.

/just playing
//I can't get into politics discussions as such, try not to anyhow
///so many factors, to include back room deals, impossible to be informed(if you think you are, you are a politician, or you've fallen for an illusion)
 
2013-03-29 12:48:49 AM

DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.


Why you sound just like Jane Fonda.
 
2013-03-29 01:04:42 AM

DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.


I'm guessing you missed the part where they were actively engaged in an act of terrorism and thought nothing of having a child, probably one of their own, near an active and unstable bomb.
 
2013-03-29 01:35:43 AM

smazzocity: DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.

Yes, because no native Afghans tried fighting the Taliban themselves.


Hes one of the Muj in the photo with Reagan that alot of people want to claim are the Taliban or AQ....

Even SFOD-D visited his grave and paid their respects when in country.
 
2013-03-29 03:35:25 AM
Snuff films greenlighted on Fark.

What is this, LiveLeak?

Shame.
 
2013-03-29 09:34:13 AM

randomjsa: DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.

I'm guessing you missed the part where they were actively engaged in an act of terrorism


What would you call the fighters in the American Revolution who were opposing the British Army?
 
2013-03-29 10:33:59 AM

factoryconnection: Alonjar: I wonder if they were actually planting the bomb, or if they were trying to remove it.

They observed the men bury and conceal the device, and then unearth it.  People don't usually camouflage things that they've discovered and want to remove.

I'm just glad the kid did in fact, get out of there, but it was probably his father, brother, uncle or other close relation that did the blowing up.


I side with Machiavelli on this one. Kill the kid too. To beat a hydra you have to kill the heads and burn down the remaining stumps or it'll just grow back.
 
2013-03-29 10:39:51 AM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Because no people , anywhere, would ever have a just reason to fight Americans, right?

Remember Abeer Hamza.


You're an idiot. Seriously. Someone needs to drop a f*cking brick on your head.
 
2013-03-29 09:51:32 PM
So, instead of invading Afghanistan we could have just sent them unstable munitions and crappy Chinese fireworks and then they would blow themselves up, saving trillions of dollars?
 
2013-03-30 02:45:37 AM

flynn80: So, instead of invading Afghanistan we could have just sent them unstable munitions and crappy Chinese fireworks and then they would blow themselves up, saving trillions of dollars?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son
 
2013-03-30 02:48:39 AM

flynn80: So, instead of invading Afghanistan we could have just sent them unstable munitions and crappy Chinese fireworks and then they would blow themselves up, saving trillions of dollars?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son
 
2013-03-30 07:07:56 PM
The lesson to take away from these videos is this: if you ever believe you are being targeted by gunships at night, do not try to hide in the darkness. Rather, hide in the light - find the biggest source of heat nearby and tuck yourself underneath it. then, do not move.

Hopefully knowledge that will never be needed, but you never know. Many girls I know who grew up in com bloc countries were taught defensive hiding against helicopters and planes. One of the most interesting was what to do if you were caught in the open in daylight: stand straight, hands flat to your sides, and hope that you look like a small tree. Obviously no good against IR
 
2013-03-31 04:36:20 AM

randomjsa: DrPainMD: And, by "insurgent," they mean people who are standing in their own yards desperately trying to defend their homes and families from a foreign army. I wish the next group much better luck.

I'm guessing you missed the part where they were actively engaged in an act of terrorism and thought nothing of having a child, probably one of their own, near an active and unstable bomb.


Only one child? Heck, we've killed millions in our wars of aggression. We spend more money and manpower on terrorism than any other country in the history of the human race... and second place is WAAAAY behind us.
 
2013-04-01 08:34:59 AM
"... nevermind..."
 
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