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(Arizona Star)   In today's episode of "This Could Never Possibly Go Wrong," a former Tucson mayoral candidate wants to give away free shotguns for high-crime areas   (azstarnet.com) divider line 63
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2013-03-28 08:33:04 AM
I think it would very very fascinating to watch this experiment happen.
 
2013-03-28 08:34:27 AM
Repeat
 
2013-03-28 08:36:54 AM
I'm OK with this.
 
2013-03-28 08:37:41 AM
Well, they're doing background checks, so I don't have a problem with it.  I don't know how effective it'll be...but the fact that they're offering training should keep people from being accidental dangers to themselves or others.  It's not even taxpayer money, so that's a good thing.  It'll be an interesting experiment.  At the very least, home invasions while the residents are home should drop precipitously.
 
2013-03-28 08:39:45 AM
Isn't this what Biden said they should do?  Get shotguns?
 
2013-03-28 08:41:46 AM
Biden policy in action.

These are the worst neighborhoods in Tucson. Liberals are mostly scared crime stats drop.
 
2013-03-28 08:44:03 AM
 
2013-03-28 08:45:10 AM
Self defense, how does it work stupid subby? I guess subby would rather cower in a corner and wait for the police to come and mop up the blood and write the report.
 
2013-03-28 08:45:55 AM
No, no, no, this violates the Biden plan in so many ways!  First off, these are single-shot, break-action shotguns.  You need a double-barreled shotgun!  Then, how many of these folks have balconies?  If you don't have a balcony and a double-barreled shotgun, you're in clear violation of the basic requirements of the Biden home defense plan!
 
2013-03-28 08:46:03 AM
I'm not really sure what the problem is here:
- People who receive the shotguns have to undergo a background check, so they'd be legally able to buy guns anyway.
- The recipients will undergo training.
- People signing up are interested in the idea; it's not being forced on anyone.
- The guns being donated are of a type rarely used in crime, so it's unlikely that they'd be attractive for criminals.

Having a basic-yet-effective means of self-defense should not be something reserved for only those who can afford it. $200+ (plus training costs) for someone living paycheck-to-paycheck is a lot of money.

Empowering low-income people with the knowledge, training, and means to defend themselves and their family seems like a great idea.

At the very least, it raises awareness of the poor state of funding for Tucson police.
 
2013-03-28 08:46:40 AM

Joe Blowme: Self defense, how does it work stupid subby? I guess subby would rather cower in a corner and wait for the police to come and mop up the blood and write the report.


That would be the morally superior position, Joe.  A smugly dead victim.
 
2013-03-28 08:48:51 AM
Shotguns will solve crime in two ways.

1.  Whenever somebody kicks in someone's door while said person is home, they'll probably die.  If not, they'll probably get arrested.  The latter is more ideal, kind of.

2.  If the criminals manage to get shotguns, there will be a short spike in homicide between warring gang factions, followed by a sharp decrease in gang activity.

Of course there will be collateral damage.  Ideally it will be smaller than the long-term decrease in incidental damage from the current state.  That is to say, ideally if 50 innocents are murdered in the next 10 years due to these policies, it will come as consequence to a policy which actually reduces the number of innocents murdered by crime by more than 50 (say 100, 500, 1000, etc) over the next 10 years.  In such a case, we're in a net-positive:  more innocent lives saved.

I mean really, protection of human life is great and all; but when you show up at peoples' houses to murder them, I lose sympathy over the consequences.  I'd rather somebody not get his face blown off, but if it's between a housewife getting raped and stabbed or the housewife shooting the guy attacking her in the face... well.  Three dead rapists may be more dead bodies than one dead housewife, but they brought it on themselves and there weren't many good alternatives for her.  She didn't ask for this shiat, why should she have to bend over and take it?
 
2013-03-28 08:55:55 AM
The United States of America, a history of violence.
 
2013-03-28 08:55:59 AM

bluefoxicy: 1.  Whenever somebody kicks in someone's door while said person is home, they'll probably die.  If not, they'll probably get arrested.  The latter is more ideal, kind of.


For what reason should a lawful home resident automatically assume ill intent from an individual who forcibly enters their home?

/A Farker actually seriously argued that position in more than one previous discussion.
 
2013-03-28 09:08:57 AM

Dimensio: bluefoxicy: 1.  Whenever somebody kicks in someone's door while said person is home, they'll probably die.  If not, they'll probably get arrested.  The latter is more ideal, kind of.

For what reason should a lawful home resident automatically assume ill intent from an individual who forcibly enters their home?


Well as opposed to entering without force (i.e. wandering into the wrong house, wandering in high with the munchies and starting to eat your food, etc), forceful entry is automatically hostile and thus indicates a threat.  Because the threat is unknown and because most people are not tacticians, soldiers, ronin bushi, etc., the threat is assumed extremely high, and potentially fatal.  Thus there is no time afforded for assessment and extreme countermeasures must be taken.
 
2013-03-28 09:11:23 AM

bluefoxicy: Shotguns will solve crime in two ways.

1.  Whenever somebody kicks in someone's door while said person is home, they'll probably die.  If not, they'll probably get arrested.  The latter is more ideal, kind of.

2.  If the criminals manage to get shotguns, there will be a short spike in homicide between warring gang factions, followed by a sharp decrease in gang activity.

Of course there will be collateral damage.  Ideally it will be smaller than the long-term decrease in incidental damage from the current state.  That is to say, ideally if 50 innocents are murdered in the next 10 years due to these policies, it will come as consequence to a policy which actually reduces the number of innocents murdered by crime by more than 50 (say 100, 500, 1000, etc) over the next 10 years.  In such a case, we're in a net-positive:  more innocent lives saved.

I mean really, protection of human life is great and all; but when you show up at peoples' houses to murder them, I lose sympathy over the consequences.  I'd rather somebody not get his face blown off, but if it's between a housewife getting raped and stabbed or the housewife shooting the guy attacking her in the face... well.  Three dead rapists may be more dead bodies than one dead housewife, but they brought it on themselves and there weren't many good alternatives for her.  She didn't ask for this shiat, why should she have to bend over and take it?


First you think criminals have a hard time getting guns.  Then you assume they would prefer the registered single shot shot guns to the guns they have?

Holy shiat is this an ignorant analysis.

And if the crime rates drop in the neighborhood, will your head just explode?
 
2013-03-28 09:16:59 AM
One shell? That seems like a bad idea. What happens when these people miss or there's more than one attacker? I'm for capacity restrictions if and when it's possible (unfortunately not often possible) but ONE shot? That's just gonna piss the thugs off and turn simple robberies into murders.

This guy sounds like a bleating jag off.
 
2013-03-28 09:18:22 AM
People are against these freebies? Never thought I'd see the day.
 
2013-03-28 09:20:35 AM

Onkel Buck: People are against these freebies? Never thought I'd see the day.


Some people would turn down a free night with a syphilitic hooker too.
 
2013-03-28 09:26:35 AM

here to help: One shell? That seems like a bad idea. What happens when these people miss or there's more than one attacker?


Yeah. I guess it's better than nothing, but giving people a pump-action shotgun like the Mossberg Maverick 88 would probably be a better idea and is only slightly more expensive (MSRP of $290, probably less in stores or with a group discount).

Even a double-barrel shotgun would be a better choice.
 
2013-03-28 09:34:16 AM

heypete: here to help: One shell? That seems like a bad idea. What happens when these people miss or there's more than one attacker?

Yeah. I guess it's better than nothing, but giving people a pump-action shotgun like the Mossberg Maverick 88 would probably be a better idea and is only slightly more expensive (MSRP of $290, probably less in stores or with a group discount).

Even a double-barrel shotgun would be a better choice.


It seems to me he's going for the cheapest possible option just to score some political points. Probably doesn't give two farts about the safety of that community. The quote where he's daring someone to sue him so he can get more publicity is very telling.
 
2013-03-28 09:40:36 AM
Single-shot's better than none.  But H&R manufactures a 5-shot pump that sells for $200 (Cabela's).
 
2013-03-28 09:41:59 AM
When my wife and I were very young and just getting started, we lived in a "low rent" neighborhood.
I was on the night shift and Fatima was home alone one time (about 2a.m.) when someone started pounding on the front door with deterination.  All she did was rack a shell into the chamber from her side of the door, and the pounder went away.  No poor unfortunates were killed that night.
 
2013-03-28 09:47:19 AM

here to help: Onkel Buck: People are against these freebies? Never thought I'd see the day.

Some people would turn down a free night with a syphilitic hooker too.


yah but none of them are around here
 
2013-03-28 09:53:23 AM

2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.


Which gave us all we have today, you're welcome
 
2013-03-28 09:55:24 AM
Actually, this makes sense. If you really believe that mass ownership of guns deters crime, then it is your duty and moral obligation to distribute guns for free. This is how you can prove that the NRA doesn't give a shiat about the common man.
 
2013-03-28 09:55:38 AM

2wolves: The Planet Earth, a history of violence.


FTFY
 
2013-03-28 10:01:36 AM

2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.


Feel free to move to another country.
 
2013-03-28 10:04:22 AM

Onkel Buck: yah but none of them are around here


That's how she picked up the syph.
 
2013-03-28 10:04:59 AM
MyRandomName:
First you think criminals have a hard time getting guns.  Then you assume they would prefer the registered single shot shot guns to the guns they have?

Holy shiat is this an ignorant analysis.


People are afraid criminals will get guns.  what are they afraid of?  Most of the crime is between warring gang factions.  I live in it, I see this shiat all the time.  If we load the criminals up with guns here, 80% of the crime would go away because the criminals would be dead in gang wars.

It's an excellent analysis.  Why would you assume that there are no potential consequences because "criminals already get guns" and "these guns aren't as good as the guns the criminals already have"?  People will just bicker over the point and complain about guns and criminals and criminals getting guns.  So... what if the criminals do get the guns?  And they're effective enough?

And, really, single shot.  Duck from around a corner, blast a shell at the 5 guys from the rival gang, then ditch into the alley and duck around the corner and into an abandoned building while they're all injured and one's dead and you're like fark yeah killed one of those motherfarkers getting on our turf!  Gang members do a lot of stupid shiat to look cool.
 
2013-03-28 10:05:43 AM

Joe Blowme: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Which gave us all we have today, you're welcome


What do you mean "we" white man?
 
2013-03-28 10:06:07 AM

LoneWolf343: Actually, this makes sense. If you really believe that mass ownership of guns deters crime, then it is your duty and moral obligation to distribute guns for free. This is how you can prove that the NRA doesn't give a shiat about the common man.


Huffing paint is no way to go through life son
 
2013-03-28 10:07:23 AM

LoneWolf343: Actually, this makes sense. If you really believe that mass ownership of guns deters crime, then it is your duty and moral obligation to distribute guns for free. This is how you can prove that the NRA doesn't give a shiat about the common man.


I believe that free speech in which anyone can make their voice heard, if they so choose, is crucial to a free society. The ACLU and EFF don't distribute free printing presses, typewriters, printers, or provide free blog hosting, so by your logic they're full of shiat.
 
2013-03-28 10:07:36 AM

3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.


Feel free to get put on a reservation.
 
2013-03-28 10:09:43 AM

2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Which gave us all we have today, you're welcome

What do you mean "we" white man?


Ahhh, a racist to boot. Does your mom know you are on the internet? Shouldnt you be at daycare by now?

/we as in the US and the world
 
2013-03-28 10:12:36 AM
This is just stupid.  Single-shot, break action?  WTF?  How will the criminals know I'm serious, if I can't make the shhhk-chhhhk noise?
 
2013-03-28 10:12:47 AM

2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.


Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????
 
2013-03-28 10:15:24 AM

Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Which gave us all we have today, you're welcome

What do you mean "we" white man?

Ahhh, a racist to boot. Does your mom know you are on the internet? Shouldnt you be at daycare by now?

/we as in the US and the world


"We" as in Erie-Seneca.

Did I hurt your little feelings?
 
2013-03-28 10:18:04 AM

Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????


Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.
 
2013-03-28 10:23:19 AM

2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.


Someone sounds bitter.
 
2013-03-28 10:27:33 AM

Farce-Side: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Someone sounds bitter.


Exactly how thankful should I be? Like that ass at CPAC who said Douglas should have been more appreciative to his former master?
 
2013-03-28 10:33:08 AM

2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.


I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.
 
2013-03-28 10:39:10 AM

2wolves: Farce-Side: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Someone sounds bitter.

Exactly how thankful should I be? Like that ass at CPAC who said Douglas should have been more appreciative to his former master?


Who said anything about being thankful?  I said you sound bitter.
 
2013-03-28 10:39:14 AM

2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Which gave us all we have today, you're welcome

What do you mean "we" white man?

Ahhh, a racist to boot. Does your mom know you are on the internet? Shouldnt you be at daycare by now?

/we as in the US and the world

"We" as in Erie-Seneca.

Did I hurt your little feelings?


Somebody sounds a  little butt-hurt over coming in second place. The Senneca have  a tribal history free from violence and filled with nothing but peaceful co-exsitence before the arrival of the evil white guys-right?

Hypocrite.  The Seneca were almost in a constant state of war with the Andaste, Delaware and Mohicans (among others) if I remember my history classes correctly.In fact the Seneca trail is also known as the Great Indian War Path.  Not the Great Indian  group hug path.
 
2013-03-28 10:59:06 AM

Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.


Just another ignorant savage. You should try to civilize me ASAP.
 
2013-03-28 11:11:32 AM

2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.

Just another ignorant savage. You should try to civilize me ASAP.


And there is the point, thank you for making it. Because of our history of violence, you are free to be a douchebag and call yourself a savage and pretend others called you that to justify your butthurt over being said douchebag.
 
2013-03-28 11:14:16 AM

Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.

Just another ignorant savage. You should try to civilize me ASAP.

And there is the point, thank you for making it. Because of our history of violence, you are free to be a douchebag and call yourself a savage and pretend others called you that to justify your butthurt over being said douchebag.


I keep thinking of racist things to say, but I'm not going to say them because of my respect for actual Native Americans.  This guy is not an actual Native American.  He's a troll.
 
2013-03-28 11:29:04 AM

Farce-Side: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.

Just another ignorant savage. You should try to civilize me ASAP.

And there is the point, thank you for making it. Because of our history of violence, you are free to be a douchebag and call yourself a savage and pretend others called you that to justify your butthurt over being said douchebag.

I keep thinking of racist things to say, but I'm not going to say them because of my respect for actual Native Americans.  This guy is not an actual Native American.  He's a troll.


Obvious troll is obvious
 
2013-03-28 11:53:42 AM

Farce-Side: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: Joe Blowme: 2wolves: 3StratMan: 2wolves: The United States of America, a history of violence.

Feel free to move to another country.

Feel free to get put on a reservation.

Because before evil white men came, indians sang kumbaya and flew kites and petted puppies all day... it's not like they wared with other tribes, took their women and kids as slaves, and killed all the rival men right?

/history, how does it work?
//this country sucks sop bad you are still here because??????

Because I so enjoy listening to blow hards talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I thought so, just another ignorant, self loathing asshole.

Just another ignorant savage. You should try to civilize me ASAP.

And there is the point, thank you for making it. Because of our history of violence, you are free to be a douchebag and call yourself a savage and pretend others called you that to justify your butthurt over being said douchebag.

I keep thinking of racist things to say, but I'm not going to say them because of my respect for actual Native Americans.  This guy is not an actual Native American.  He's a troll.


Or is he an actual Native American pretending to be a troll pretending to be a racist Indian.
He's here to teach us an important lesson about double reverse racism.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-28 12:16:58 PM
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Eat lead, slackers!
 
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