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2013-03-28 12:24:34 AM
Who would pay for The Sun? It's not like there are a million other places on the net to find tabloid rubbish and breasts.

The worst is that thanks to Murdock's lobbying the BBC was made to slash its website a few years ago. The BBC website is still excellent, and has lots of educational stuff like interactive learn French or Spanish stuff and is still free, and ad free in the UK, but it's not what it used to be.
 
2013-03-28 12:31:26 AM
In five years, Fark will entirely consist of links to secondhand accounts of what's behind paywalls. We'll be reading blogs of local subscribers.  There will be no X freebies per month.  Newspapers will again be local publications.  Local TV stations will follow soon.
 
2013-03-28 12:41:49 AM
Murdoch owns so many newspapers that he's really the only person who can pull this off.

I hope he does - we link and read news for free, but someone has to pay for it.  The BBC is nationalized, but having the government prop up your news delivery is problematic.    Since the ad model isn't working anymore, they have to come up with something.

It's already being felt here on Fark - there are less and less unique sources for links, primarily because it takes money to deliver news.
 
2013-03-28 01:04:12 AM

Lsherm: It's already being felt here on Fark - there are less and less unique sources for links, primarily because it takes money to deliver news.

advertisements.

FTFY.
 
2013-03-28 01:07:06 AM
Didn't the NY Times do this a while back?  Do we still get links to them?  I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.

Here's the thing, go behind a paywall and it will mean fewer eyeballs on your website.  That will mean that some paper in Paducah that has the exact same AP story you do will get the hits and the ad revenue that comes with it.

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2013-03-28 01:28:41 AM
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2013-03-28 01:59:28 AM
This is my prediction: The net will compensate. Hungry and starving blog/reporters will get their news out no matter what.

 Once the pay walls go up their readership will go down. Then it will be less advertising money.

I never understood why websites insisted on rotating ads per page refresh. They should charge a higher rate for a fixed 24 hour ad.
 
2013-03-28 02:26:17 AM
If only the elite didn't have to get their narrative to the masses, this might stand a chance.

Manufacturing consent costs money.
 
2013-03-28 02:30:26 AM
And nothing of value was lost
 
2013-03-28 02:30:48 AM
"The Sun website is a fantastic website and sometimes it is a better product."


It saves on the paper wasted in printing but it's also quite difficult to wipe your arse with a webpage. Swings and roundabouts.
 
2013-03-28 02:31:46 AM
FTA: The Times newspaper, also part of News International, introduced a subscription service for its online version three years ago.

Coincidentally, it has been about 3 years since I've read an article from The Times.
 
2013-03-28 02:33:46 AM

timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.


Yes, yes, but like a lot of news "paywalls" it is easily defeated by ditching your cookies.
 
2013-03-28 02:35:03 AM
Please read the comments to any Sun Sentenial article.
/paywalls fark it all up
 
2013-03-28 02:35:10 AM

Phil Moskowitz: If only the elite didn't have to get their narrative to the masses, this might stand a chance.

Manufacturing consent costs money.


I'll say, GHB ain't free
 
2013-03-28 02:38:02 AM
Maybe the paywall is the future.  But I doubt it.
 
2013-03-28 02:38:07 AM
Step 1: Yahoo! and Google sign deal with AP and UPI
Step 2: Give away articles for free
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

There are only two things an online news site can provide uniquely. First, as is the case with the NY Times, it can create exclusive content. Second, it can create a strong community for the audience. Everything else can be reproduced a million times over by any podunk news website. Does the Sun really think it has unique and attractive content or a community people will be willing to pay for?
 
2013-03-28 02:38:31 AM

12349876: timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.

Yes, yes, but like a lot of news "paywalls" it is easily defeated by ditching your cookies.


Some have called it a pay fence, where creative types can get free articles if they try, but enough people are buying subscriptions because its easier to just be able to access it.

I wonder if being able to tie it to a Facebook account for easy access will make subscriptions easier.
 
2013-03-28 02:46:06 AM

timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.


They limit you to 10 free articles a month. You have to be a genius hacker to get around it - either by blocking cookies from the NYT or turning on private browsing first.
 
2013-03-28 02:46:28 AM
Local newspaper here put up a paywall a few months back, with a limit of seven free articles a month to non-subscribers. Their paywall, however, wasn't implemented very well.

I figured out early on that if I keep the browser cookies related to the site deleted, the "free article counter" will reset to the beginning, giving me unlimited articles.
 
2013-03-28 02:55:38 AM
Like they aren't already making enough money from the 20 farking ads on every single page (plus the slide show bs) on most of these websites, and don't forget the popups!

So yeah go ahead and try to charge, I'll just look somewhere else while your business goes down the toilet.
 
2013-03-28 02:58:39 AM

Farkenhostile: Like they aren't already making enough money from the 20 farking ads on every single page (plus the slide show bs) on most of these websites, and don't forget the popups!

So yeah go ahead and try to charge, I'll just look somewhere else while your business goes down the toilet.


I can't recall the last time I noticed an online ad. I can't believe anyone doesn't use Adblock Plus.
 
2013-03-28 03:00:36 AM
I'm not surprised. (Featured Partner)
 
2013-03-28 03:01:37 AM

Ed Willy: 12349876: timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.

Yes, yes, but like a lot of news "paywalls" it is easily defeated by ditching your cookies.

Some have called it a pay fence, where creative types can get free articles if they try, but enough people are buying subscriptions because its easier to just be able to access it.

I wonder if being able to tie it to a Facebook account for easy access will make subscriptions easier.


What bugs me even more than paywalls is requiring a FB account in order to comment, and then having FB track me on the Web.  PITA to log out after commenting and I'm not at all sure that works.
 
2013-03-28 03:03:45 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I can't recall the last time I noticed an online ad. I can't believe anyone doesn't use Adblock Plus.


I don't mind ads as long as they aren't annoying to me, so I don't use Adblock Plus.

That said, I do however use Flashblock. Flash ads suck up bandwidth and sometimes play blaring audio. If you're a company using Flash to advertise your product, I definitely won't see it!
 
2013-03-28 03:15:25 AM
Between obnoxious ads and poorly moderated comment sections, newspaper websites brought this death upon themselves.
 
2013-03-28 03:18:18 AM

albert71292: BarkingUnicorn: I can't recall the last time I noticed an online ad. I can't believe anyone doesn't use Adblock Plus.

I don't mind ads as long as they aren't annoying to me, so I don't use Adblock Plus.

That said, I do however use Flashblock. Flash ads suck up bandwidth and sometimes play blaring audio. If you're a company using Flash to advertise your product, I definitely won't see it!


Yup.  People holler about auto-playing videos.  I use the Adblock "block" tab on such sites if they appear on Fark often.  Once a site's player is blocked, I won't be startled again when I return there.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:55 AM
If I've already been forced to watch a full length TV commercial before, I view your link of questionable content, then, you have already been paid.
Contrary to the Gordon Gecko speech in the movie "Wall Street", greed, is not good.
The current (last 100 years or so) state of greed, is the worst threat this planet has ever faced.
 
2013-03-28 03:29:05 AM

Lsherm: , but someone has to pay for it


If only you could sell space on a web page to someone in return for promoting their goods or services...
 
2013-03-28 03:30:00 AM
Eventually the search engines will start ranking paywalls lower because they provide no content.  The sites that provide free content will get listed higher, because that's what users want. Then comes bankruptcy.

//I'm really surprised Google News hasn't stopped linking to some of these paywalls yet.  Must be a fixed algorithm with white listed sites.
 
2013-03-28 03:36:17 AM

Theory Of Null: Eventually the search engines will start ranking paywalls lower because they provide no content.  The sites that provide free content will get listed higher, because that's what users want. Then comes bankruptcy.

//I'm really surprised Google News hasn't stopped linking to some of these paywalls yet.  Must be a fixed algorithm with white listed sites.


Yupper, that's a roger.
 
2013-03-28 03:37:25 AM
Good.
So many stories of 'celebs' I have not a care or a clue about. Whose tits are bigger, slipped out, deformed etc. Oh fark off! Hope it dies.

But leave The  Daily Mail alone!
 
2013-03-28 03:44:35 AM

TommyymmoT: If I've already been forced to watch a full length TV commercial before, I view your link of questionable content, then, you have already been paid.
Contrary to the Gordon Gecko speech in the movie "Wall Street", greed, is not good.
The current (last 100 years or so) state of greed, is the worst threat this planet has ever faced.


Commas, what are they for?  Apparently you were absent the days they taught punctuation and history.

/punctuation is the worst threat Fark has ever faced
//you're serious?  let me laugh even harder
 
2013-03-28 03:48:23 AM
If this means fewer Fark links to shiatty Sun articles, I approve
 
2013-03-28 03:56:48 AM

albert71292: BarkingUnicorn: I can't recall the last time I noticed an online ad. I can't believe anyone doesn't use Adblock Plus.

I don't mind ads as long as they aren't annoying to me, so I don't use Adblock Plus.

That said, I do however use Flashblock. Flash ads suck up bandwidth and sometimes play blaring audio. If you're a company using Flash to advertise your product, I definitely won't see it!


For a while, ABP has had the option (now the default) of permitting "well-behaved" ads while still blocking popups and punch-the-monkeys.
 
2013-03-28 03:58:37 AM
R.I.P. Page 3.
Only good to cum out of the Sum.
 
2013-03-28 04:06:24 AM
There's no such thing as an excellent free blowjob and there's no such thing as excellent free journalism.
 
2013-03-28 04:08:53 AM

Ed Willy: 12349876: timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.

Yes, yes, but like a lot of news "paywalls" it is easily defeated by ditching your cookies.

Some have called it a pay fence, where creative types can get free articles if they try, but enough people are buying subscriptions because its easier to just be able to access it.

I wonder if being able to tie it to a Facebook account for easy access will make subscriptions easier.


Can't make comments to stories on my local paper's site without a FB account. Pissed of A LOT of people. So what do people do? Make up fake ones. And when they put up a paywall? Figured out how easy it was to circumvent it, like any other one.

How to blow thru paywalls in 3 (there are more) ways
*Clear out cookies and history. Reload page.
*Snapshot the page after it loads
*click "work offline" after it loads so it can't refer back to the host.
 
2013-03-28 04:11:20 AM

Ed Willy: 12349876: timujin: Didn't the NY Times do this a while back? Do we still get links to them? I haven't noticed any reduction in my access to free news yet.

Yes, yes, but like a lot of news "paywalls" it is easily defeated by ditching your cookies.

Some have called it a pay fence, where creative types can get free articles if they try, but enough people are buying subscriptions because its easier to just be able to access it.

I wonder if being able to tie it to a Facebook account for easy access will make subscriptions easier.


There are Adblock filters you can set so you don't even have to worry about clearing cookies.
 
2013-03-28 04:12:26 AM

GungFu: Good.
So many stories of 'celebs' I have not a care or a clue about. Whose tits are bigger, slipped out, deformed etc. Oh fark off! Hope it dies.

But leave The  Daily Mail alone!


I defy you to tell me, that at least once, you haven't  lain awake at night, perplexed, wondering WHAT WAS BRITNEY THINKING???
I suppose you don't care about Taylor Swift's feelings after her last breakup as well.
Yeah, sure thing.
Only some kind of detached from society sort of MONSTER would feel that way.
I myself, am still in tears over Taylor's loss.

Truth be told, Taylor's probably a lesbian, because I sent her an email clearly offering that she could blow me while I ate pizza, drank beer, and played video games, as long as the pizza box didn't fall off the top of her head in the process.

Hard core lesbianism is the only logical explanation I can think of for her lack of a reply.
 
2013-03-28 04:14:38 AM

andychrist420: TommyymmoT: If I've already been forced to watch a full length TV commercial before, I view your link of questionable content, then, you have already been paid.
Contrary to the Gordon Gecko speech in the movie "Wall Street", greed, is not good.
The current (last 100 years or so) state of greed, is the worst threat this planet has ever faced.

Commas, what are they for?  Apparently you were absent the days they taught punctuation and history.

/punctuation is the worst threat Fark has ever faced
//you're serious?  let me laugh even harder


You'll understand once you're old enough to buy beer.
 
2013-03-28 04:20:10 AM

andychrist420: TommyymmoT: If I've already been forced to watch a full length TV commercial before, I view your link of questionable content, then, you have already been paid.
Contrary to the Gordon Gecko speech in the movie "Wall Street", greed, is not good.
The current (last 100 years or so) state of greed, is the worst threat this planet has ever faced.

Commas, what are they for?  Apparently you were absent the days they taught punctuation and history.

/punctuation is the worst threat Fark has ever faced
//you're serious?  let me laugh even harder


Grammar Nazism is the worst threat this thread has ever faced.

/ I know punctuation isn't grammar.
 
2013-03-28 04:21:42 AM

andychrist420: TommyymmoT: If I've already been forced to watch a full length TV commercial before, I view your link of questionable content, then, you have already been paid.
Contrary to the Gordon Gecko speech in the movie "Wall Street", greed, is not good.
The current (last 100 years or so) state of greed, is the worst threat this planet has ever faced.

Commas, what are they for?  Apparently you were absent the days they taught punctuation and history.

/punctuation is the worst threat Fark has ever faced
//you're serious?  let me laugh even harder


Oh wait, I just checked your profile.
You're a conservative comedian?
Let most of the world NOT laugh, even harder.
 
2013-03-28 04:37:27 AM
Paywalls are stupid.  It's not like there's a shortage of news sources, and in an age when we can gather all the information we want for ourselves, we don't have to listen to them... most of them give us shiat stories anyway as a wrapper for selling advertising.

Die, press, die.
 
2013-03-28 04:54:30 AM

MaliFinn: Paywalls are stupid.  It's not like there's a shortage of news sources, and in an age when we can gather all the information we want for ourselves, we don't have to listen to them... most of them give us shiat stories anyway as a wrapper for selling advertising.

Die, press, die.


OK smartass, since I've worked for a few dailies and weeklies, don't dog on the production and ad designers. Irritate management (yes MediaNewsGroup, that be you) that thinks outsourcing ALL creative work to India saves money and time. And making production contract workers. And nobody is union. At all. Then come up with a shiatty term like "we're modernizing" and feed it to everyone. Modernizing just farking what? Already had high end state-of-the-art equipment.

Shiat. Even the advertisers like smartsource have found ways to get their garbage in for cheap. I think half of the ads on the west coast come from 3 printing companies.

However.....now you have a lot of ex-pat press people that might be doing things on their own. Well for me that's a pain in the ass because I don't want to have 500 new bookmarked pages of pissed off writers to read, and where journalistic standards fly out the window when they're writing and drinking. There has to be some coalescing with them in new media. Nothing is, or was, keeping them from aggregating again on the internet. A couple local spots have done that already (with backing from the radio stations) and is kicking the others guys asses where I live (well...did....just moved away this week). I think that's a huge issue with people is that standards aren't applied and everyone just becomes...again...just more idle bullshiat nobody wants to read, let alone dodge paywalls over.
 
2013-03-28 04:59:46 AM

fanbladesaresharp: MaliFinn: Paywalls are stupid.  It's not like there's a shortage of news sources, and in an age when we can gather all the information we want for ourselves, we don't have to listen to them... most of them give us shiat stories anyway as a wrapper for selling advertising.

Die, press, die.

OK smartass, since I've worked for a few dailies and weeklies, don't dog on the production and ad designers. Irritate management (yes MediaNewsGroup, that be you) that thinks outsourcing ALL creative work to India saves money and time. And making production contract workers. And nobody is union. At all. Then come up with a shiatty term like "we're modernizing" and feed it to everyone. Modernizing just farking what? Already had high end state-of-the-art equipment.

Shiat. Even the advertisers like smartsource have found ways to get their garbage in for cheap. I think half of the ads on the west coast come from 3 printing companies.

However.....now you have a lot of ex-pat press people that might be doing things on their own. Well for me that's a pain in the ass because I don't want to have 500 new bookmarked pages of pissed off writers to read, and where journalistic standards fly out the window when they're writing and drinking. There has to be some coalescing with them in new media. Nothing is, or was, keeping them from aggregating again on the internet. A couple local spots have done that already (with backing from the radio stations) and is kicking the others guys asses where I live (well...did....just moved away this week). I think that's a huge issue with people is that standards aren't applied and everyone just becomes...again...just more idle bullshiat nobody wants to read, let alone dodge paywalls over.


We've long passed the point where anyone has employed any investigative journalistic effort or protected their credibility over what might pinch a few more pennies.  Today's problems are swimming in the shiatpile left behind by the boomer generation.  I have no respect for the press whatsoever, and it can farking burn and die.
 
2013-03-28 05:12:08 AM
I dgaf. 20 articles is about how many sun links get submitted to fark anyway
 
2013-03-28 05:15:45 AM
If only we could get Buzzfeed behind a paywall.
 
2013-03-28 05:17:39 AM

MaliFinn: fanbladesaresharp: MaliFinn: Pa


We've long passed the point where anyone has employed any investigative journalistic effort or protected their credibility over what might pinch a few more pennies.  Today's problems are swimming in the shiatpile left behind by the boomer generation.  ...


OK. But those same people are now on the internet. The "press" as a physical building with employees may be close to dead, but the people sure as hell aren't. Those same publishers and managers just moved to the internet and will keep doing the same, and paying people less for it. I guess my point is that I'd like to see small local papers come back and do their own community printing. They didn't die because the writing sucked or ink was too expensive. They died because those in charge wanted them to and rationalized it six ways from Sunday that there is no need for 450 papers when 23 full of ads will do.
 
2013-03-28 05:32:07 AM
So, they want to commit suicide online, for all the world to see?
 
2013-03-28 05:32:46 AM
The Chicago Tribune tried the 'subscriber' wall.

The Chicago Tribune's efforts are defeated by the Escape key.
 
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