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2013-03-28 12:07:09 AM  
"This is a very unsettling time in our nation's history," Perry said, according to the Associated Press. "These are the days when a person is vilified when they state that they believe fundamentally that marriage is between one man and one woman of the same race."

Shed any light?
Those who re-write their history before studying it are particularly damned to repeat it.
 
2013-03-28 12:14:14 AM  
Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.
 
2013-03-28 12:19:54 AM  
Aww...bless his poor, dear, sweet heart. He tries so very, very, very hard...
 
2013-03-28 12:21:21 AM  
Intolerance should be met with nazi-like aggression.  Yes, really.
 
2013-03-28 12:30:29 AM  
"These are the days when a person is vilified when they state that they believe fundamentally that marriage is between one man and one woman."

...even those who design shrubberies are under severe economic distress at this period in history...

(Oh, and we're not vilifying those who want to believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, you stupid prick. Just those that want to make it the law)
 
2013-03-28 12:31:34 AM  

Mentat: Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.


I read that as DERPCON 5, though I was pretty sure that went up to DERPCON M-O-O-N and DERPCON potato.
 
2013-03-28 12:32:15 AM  

Mentat: Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.


So, they're going to give up their guns if gay marriage is allowed?
 
2013-03-28 12:32:45 AM  
Stopped reading at "Rick Perry."
 
2013-03-28 12:33:03 AM  
fta "The underlying problem is that there is this very vocal, very litigious minority of Americans willing to legally attack anybody who dares utter a phrase or even a name that they don't agree with," he said. "In a twisting of logic, they insist on silencing the religious in the cause of tolerance. Now I ask you, where is the tolerance in that?"

I'm with you, Rick. I, for one, could certainly tolerate some religious silence.
 
2013-03-28 12:33:13 AM  
But don't dare call them racist....
 
2013-03-28 12:37:55 AM  
My Top Three Reasons to hate Rick Perry.

1) He's from Texas.

2) He's a Republican retard.
 
2013-03-28 12:39:18 AM  
Send him to tolerance camp

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-28 12:40:11 AM  
If being intolerant of intolerance won't be tolerated, then I won't even not try to not be anti-intolerant.
 
2013-03-28 12:40:41 AM  

Mentat: Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.


Lol...

They're going to lower their defensive condition?
 
2013-03-28 12:40:46 AM  
It's one thing to state your belief...it's another thing to want the government to enforce that belief.  Allowing gays to marry isn't enforcement of a belief, it's allowing adults to make their own relationship decisions.
 
2013-03-28 12:40:59 AM  
As opposed to being vilified for wanting to have the same rights as their neighbors and their friends and family. That is the difference.

Vilified for making statements and for standing against folks' equality, or vilified for simply being.

THAT is the fundamental difference you ignorant sack of human feculence.

You know what homosexuals want? The same thing that you have. The same thing that your parents had. The same thing that everyone else already has the fundamental right to enter into. And be recognized for their love. You and yours stand against folks who want to join their communities, but for some, they're not good enough. So they join churches and communities where they are accepted, and that isn't good enough, so folks put stumbling blocks even for that. It's not enough to exclude them from your churches--and in fairness, if you don't want to have their marriages in YOUR churches that's fine. That's your decision. The problem is that you are telling OTHER ministries that what they can and cannot do. THAT is the issue here.

Freedom of religion. Equality under the law. And a fundamental right to privacy. You've driven these folks from your communities, from your churches, and that isn't enough, you want to prevent them from being. That ISN'T an opinion. That is action, and it's time that we reverse this inequality, and reverse not opinion, but harm done in the name of a compassionate God, who you already apparently don't agree with enough to NOT insist on burning down every damn Red Lobster, gumbo shack, and Walmart for selling mixed fibers. THAT is the level of disconnect, and you say that it's to preserve marriage, yet, seem fine with others abandoning their marriages, fine with others making a mockery of their own vows, and instead focus on folks who WANT to be married. Who WANT the same things that their parents had. What YOU have. That is the towering level of disconnect.

What do homosexuals want? To be f*cking normal. To love, to cherish, to grow old with, and do so in the same bonds of matrimony, and with the same vows, the same coming together of families, community that most folks do. That is what you stand against. Community. Family. Love. And that you do so with that smug grin you asshat, while firmly within your own marriage, firmly within the walls of your own community, and want to prevent folks from having the same things you have, that is pretty much EXACTLY why I left the party. This level of disconnect, this level of self absorption, this level of disregard for your fellow man, while trying to claim some "moral" high ground, because someone said something that YOUR OWN SAVIOR, WHEN YOU INVOKE THE RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT NEVER ADDRESSED. Instead, you invoke a book that likewise calls for you to be kind to those who sojourn in your lands as strangers, that tells you to NOT glean all from your fields so that the poor might be fed, that says that you shouldn't eat pork, fat, or get tattoos, or shave for that matter.

You pustular, ignorance gravid asshats are what has infected the nation, and yes, that is my opinion, but oddly enough, it is time that folks make those statements, because being considerate hasn't worked. That is the shock. Not that folks disagree, but that you are beginning to realize that your's is a minority opinion, and that you are in the dustbin of history.
 
2013-03-28 12:41:10 AM  
Equality = intolerance?

Only a Texas Republican could say something that dumb.
 
2013-03-28 12:41:27 AM  
he sounds gay
 
2013-03-28 12:43:13 AM  

meat0918: Mentat: Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.

Lol...

They're going to lower their defensive condition?


pueblonative: I read that as DERPCON 5, though I was pretty sure that went up to DERPCON M-O-O-N and DERPCON potato.


SN1987a goes boom: So, they're going to give up their guns if gay marriage is allowed?


That sounds like an A-ticket ride!!
 
2013-03-28 12:43:56 AM  
Here's what I don't get. I'm pretty sure people were pissed off at Jesus because he wasn't there to lead a revolution against Rome and I'm pretty sure the rest of the Empire wasn't living by The Law. If I do remember correctly Jesus wasn't concerned at all with politics, wasn't his bag.
 
2013-03-28 12:45:35 AM  

Notabunny: fta "The underlying problem is that there is this very vocal, very litigious minority of Americans willing to legally attack anybody who dares utter a phrase or even a name that they don't agree with," he said. "In a twisting of logic, they insist on silencing the religious in the cause of tolerance. Now I ask you, where is the tolerance in that?"

I'm with you, Rick. I, for one, could certainly tolerate some religious silence.


Voldemort?
 
2013-03-28 12:45:40 AM  
 
2013-03-28 12:45:42 AM  
Hey Rick, we're attacking your values because your values suck. The end.
 
2013-03-28 12:45:52 AM  
It really is amazing how people like this can cast themselves as the victim. My best friends wife launched a Facebook bomb today, presumably after the pink equal sign started making the FB rounds, saying how unfair it is that people "accuse her of hating someone", just because "she disagrees with their lifestyle/fashion/haircut/political affiliation/whatever". See, those kind of people are "shallow minded" because they can't understand there is "a difference between hating and simply disagreeing".

I'm not touching that for all the beer in Boston, but this being Kansas she of course got plenty of agreement. The consensus seems to be that they should just keep reading the Bible and trust in Jesus.
 
2013-03-28 12:46:58 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Here's what I don't get. I'm pretty sure people were pissed off at Jesus because he wasn't there to lead a revolution against Rome and I'm pretty sure the rest of the Empire wasn't living by The Law. If I do remember correctly Jesus wasn't concerned at all with politics, wasn't his bag.


You're spot on, sparky.  They 'wanted' him to be all gung-ho and anti-Roman authority, but Jesus played it correctly.

He basically said that he didn't care about the politics of the time, or establishing a Kingdom on Earth, but to establish a kingdom in Heaven.

He also said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

He was the original proponent of Separation of Church and State.
 
2013-03-28 12:49:52 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Notabunny: fta "The underlying problem is that there is this very vocal, very litigious minority of Americans willing to legally attack anybody who dares utter a phrase or even a name that they don't agree with," he said. "In a twisting of logic, they insist on silencing the religious in the cause of tolerance. Now I ask you, where is the tolerance in that?"

I'm with you, Rick. I, for one, could certainly tolerate some religious silence.

Voldemort?


Divine.
 
2013-03-28 12:50:01 AM  
I really can't fathom the vehement opposition to gay marriage.  If you aren't gay, it won't effect you one little bit.  Well, that's not true, it may make your life better by helping more people build stable households that help enrich the community.

Seriously, while I don't agree with them, I can at least see how the people opposed to abortion, marijuana legalization, and firearm restrictions have come to their conclusions about what the right thing to do is, but barring loving couples who happen to be attracted to their own sex from having the same rights as heterosexual couples just doesn't make any gosh darn sense.  The comparison to interracial marriage is a good one - it's just outright bigotry towards people who are different.
 
2013-03-28 12:50:01 AM  
F*ck you. Just as you have every right to hold intolerant and bigoted views, no matter how odious, every citizen has the right to find you and your views intolerable. Go. F*ck. Yourself.
 
2013-03-28 12:52:00 AM  

meat0918: Mentat: Conservatives threaten DEFCON 6 if gay marriage ban is overturned.

For the record, DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of readiness.

Lol...

They're going to lower their defensive condition?


Haha. I was about to say...
 
2013-03-28 12:53:49 AM  

Infernalist: He was the original proponent of Separation of Church and State.


Yep. He also hated Big Business and loudmouthed zealotry, and thought that tolerance (of people who are different, not of bigots) and charity were important values. Basically, Jesus was the anti-Republican.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:17 AM  
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

/Oblig
 
2013-03-28 12:55:19 AM  

Infernalist: Hillbilly Jim: Here's what I don't get. I'm pretty sure people were pissed off at Jesus because he wasn't there to lead a revolution against Rome and I'm pretty sure the rest of the Empire wasn't living by The Law. If I do remember correctly Jesus wasn't concerned at all with politics, wasn't his bag.

You're spot on, sparky.  They 'wanted' him to be all gung-ho and anti-Roman authority, but Jesus played it correctly.

He basically said that he didn't care about the politics of the time, or establishing a Kingdom on Earth, but to establish a kingdom in Heaven.

He also said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

He was the original proponent of Separation of Church and State.


And paying your taxes.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:28 AM  
I don't give two farks what you believe, I'm happy to tolerate your ass-backwards religious values... so long as you don't try to use the government to impose them on me. Demanding equal protection under the law isn't vilifying you... I neither need nor want your personal approval... I just don't give a fark what you think, so long as I have the same tax options as my counterparts, the same estate options as my counterparts, and the same ability to opt into the nearly 1100 protections you get to opt into, we're all good, no matter how much you hate me. Where we have a problem is when you tell me that the federal government needs to throw little old ladies out on the street and rob them of their partner's equity in the house because Jesus told you so. I have read the bible through and through, and there's a whole lot of " love one another; as I have loved you" and "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her," and I think that maybe if you farkers spent more time reading books instead of burning them, you'd get through your thick damn skulls that nobody hates you because of your personal beliefs, we hate you because you're trying to drag the rest of us down your moronic illiterate path with you.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:47 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Infernalist: He was the original proponent of Separation of Church and State.

Yep. He also hated Big Business and loudmouthed zealotry, and thought that tolerance (of people who are different, not of bigots) and charity were important values. Basically, Jesus was the anti-Republican.


Oh, and he hated loud Christians.  He said 'when you pray, go into a closet and pray there'.  He believed that your relationship with God was personal and private.

I really think that if Jesus returned today, they'd probably call him the Anti-Christ.
 
2013-03-28 12:55:52 AM  
Listen, dipshiat, my issue isn't over a difference of opinion, it's over the inherent, immediate, and pervasive legal difficulties that I experience as a result of you using your opinion as the basis for legislation.  If it was just a farking opinion, man, you wouldn't be trying to limit and control my personal, financial, civil, and religious life--you would live and let live.  But instead, I have to research the laws in each of the states that my girlfriend and I might move to, so I can know whether or not we might be kicked out of housing, fired, denied hospital visitation, or any number of other "special rights" that straight people enjoy.  See, I don't really give a fark about you and your precious little feelings, I just want to live my life, work at my job, pay my taxes, and some day raise a family.  That's it, but your farking opinion gets in the way of all that.  So unless you're willing to shell out a few thousand to help me pay for all the legal wrangling that I will have to do to get even close to replicating the basic protections that come with a $60-120 state marriage license, you can go fark yourself.
This isn't about a difference of opinion, it's about the enormous burden placed on my private life for no good reason.  You're not injured by me conducting my lawful business, you're not harmed by my attempting to construct a stable life, and you do not suffer because I happen to prefer innies to outies.  Grow up, get over yourself, and stop messing with other people--I think you'll be surprised at how much more pleasant your life could be.


/And no, no churches are going to get sued because of this, just like they aren't sued for refusing to marry people from outside their particular sect or faith.
//Private businesses might be sued, but that's a whole different region of law and precedent.
///And you might be surprised to learn that my money is just as green as other peoples'.  It even works the same way, too!
 
2013-03-28 12:56:07 AM  
What's so amazing is that the Bible barely talks about gays at all, yet it, along with abortion, are all these farkers ever talk about. It'd be like a neo-Nazi proclaiming that Hitler's biggest, most important cause was the Volkswagen Beetle, and trying to make everybody drive one, proclaiming all who do not drive Beetles need to be killed, for Hitler.
 
2013-03-28 12:56:52 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I really can't fathom the vehement opposition to gay marriage.  If you aren't gay, it won't effect you one little bit.  Well, that's not true, it may make your life better by helping more people build stable households that help enrich the community.

Seriously, while I don't agree with them, I can at least see how the people opposed to abortion, marijuana legalization, and firearm restrictions have come to their conclusions about what the right thing to do is, but barring loving couples who happen to be attracted to their own sex from having the same rights as heterosexual couples just doesn't make any gosh darn sense.  The comparison to interracial marriage is a good one - it's just outright bigotry towards people who are different.


"I'm not gay."
"Gays are going to be treated the same as you."
"But that would make me the same as gay."
"Gaiety is normal."
"No, *I* am normal!"
"Gays should be able to marry."
"But that would make marriage gay, and *I* am married!"

When a difference is important, it is important to keep distinctions.
 
2013-03-28 12:59:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: TuteTibiImperes: I really can't fathom the vehement opposition to gay marriage.  If you aren't gay, it won't effect you one little bit.  Well, that's not true, it may make your life better by helping more people build stable households that help enrich the community.

Seriously, while I don't agree with them, I can at least see how the people opposed to abortion, marijuana legalization, and firearm restrictions have come to their conclusions about what the right thing to do is, but barring loving couples who happen to be attracted to their own sex from having the same rights as heterosexual couples just doesn't make any gosh darn sense.  The comparison to interracial marriage is a good one - it's just outright bigotry towards people who are different.

"I'm not gay."
"Gays are going to be treated the same as you."
"But that would make me the same as gay."
"Gaiety is normal."
"No, *I* am normal!"
"Gays should be able to marry."
"But that would make marriage gay, and *I* am married!"

When a difference is important, it is important to keep distinctions.


Which begs the question, why do they think sexual orientation is so important?
 
2013-03-28 01:00:03 AM  
Once again, I'm going to wear out the Smart button on hubiestubert's posts.
 
2013-03-28 01:00:13 AM  
It's an unsettling time when conservatives are openly and publicly told they are wrong.
 
2013-03-28 01:02:41 AM  
"This is a very unsettling time in our nation's history," Perry said. "These are the days when a person is vilified when they state that they believe fundamentally that marriage is between one man and one woman."

Well, that's only because those beliefs are literally vile, but don't let that stop you from b*tching and moaning.
 
2013-03-28 01:02:52 AM  

jayhawk88: It really is amazing how people like this can cast themselves as the victim. My best friends wife launched a Facebook bomb today, presumably after the pink equal sign started making the FB rounds, saying how unfair it is that people "accuse her of hating someone", just because "she disagrees with their lifestyle/fashion/haircut/political affiliation/whatever"


My cousin can derp with the best of them but once in a while he'll say something halfway reasonable about how it's not the government's business who you want to get married to. Then he starts talking about how the real problem is how gays bully Christians all the time.
 
2013-03-28 01:03:49 AM  

LectertheChef: What's so amazing is that the Bible barely talks about gays at all, yet it, along with abortion, are all these farkers ever talk about. It'd be like a neo-Nazi proclaiming that Hitler's biggest, most important cause was the Volkswagen Beetle, and trying to make everybody drive one, proclaiming all who do not drive Beetles need to be killed, for Hitler.


Do you remember those discussions that were rampant in 2001-2003 when people were discussing the facts that the Koran held women in high regard and yet Muslim countries treated their women so badly?  And how it eventually got nailed down as 'cultural traditions' propped up by religious authorities?

Well...guess what?
 
2013-03-28 01:03:50 AM  
tricityfreethinkers.org

/also oblig.
 
2013-03-28 01:03:57 AM  

hubiestubert: As opposed to being vilified for wanting to have the same rights as their neighbors and their friends and family. That is the difference.


That is an epic, awesome rant. I want to kiss you on your little forehead for that. I've resisted the urge to gank it and put it on Facebook.
 
2013-03-28 01:06:01 AM  

BarkingUnicorn:
"I'm not gay."
"Gays are going to be treated the same as you."
"But that would make me the same as gay."
"Gaiety is normal."
"No, *I* am normal!"
"Gays should be able to marry."
"But that would make marriage gay, and *I* am married!"

When a difference is important, it is important to keep distinctions.


Thats the crux of the problem right there. They cannot Grok distinctions. It is completely outside of their intellectual capability. There is no difference between normal sexual exploration of a teenager, and the activities of the busiest streetwalker in the city. There is no difference between a thermonuclear warhead and a hand grenade.

A distinction they do seem to make however, is the decision making capabilities of men and women.
 
2013-03-28 01:08:09 AM  

hubiestubert: As opposed to being vilified for wanting to have the same rights as their neighbors and their friends and family. That is the difference.

Vilified for making statements and for standing against folks' equality, or vilified for simply being.

THAT is the fundamental difference you ignorant sack of human feculence.

You know what homosexuals want? The same thing that you have. The same thing that your parents had. The same thing that everyone else already has the fundamental right to enter into. And be recognized for their love. You and yours stand against folks who want to join their communities, but for some, they're not good enough. So they join churches and communities where they are accepted, and that isn't good enough, so folks put stumbling blocks even for that. It's not enough to exclude them from your churches--and in fairness, if you don't want to have their marriages in YOUR churches that's fine. That's your decision. The problem is that you are telling OTHER ministries that what they can and cannot do. THAT is the issue here.

Freedom of religion. Equality under the law. And a fundamental right to privacy. You've driven these folks from your communities, from your churches, and that isn't enough, you want to prevent them from being. That ISN'T an opinion. That is action, and it's time that we reverse this inequality, and reverse not opinion, but harm done in the name of a compassionate God, who you already apparently don't agree with enough to NOT insist on burning down every damn Red Lobster, gumbo shack, and Walmart for selling mixed fibers. THAT is the level of disconnect, and you say that it's to preserve marriage, yet, seem fine with others abandoning their marriages, fine with others making a mockery of their own vows, and instead focus on folks who WANT to be married. Who WANT the same things that their parents had. What YOU have. That is the towering level of disconnect.

What do homosexuals want? To be f*cking normal. To love, to cherish, to grow ...


I just wanted to say that I have always read your posts (at least, those here on the politics tab) with great interest, and that I really appreciate your steadfast support of gay rights.  Thanks bro :).


/You are also a very articulate writer.
 
2013-03-28 01:08:56 AM  

MrEricSir: Equality = intolerance?

Only a Texas Republican could say something that dumb.


The religious bigots have been saying this for quite a while.  Equality infringes upon their freedom of religion in some way.
 
2013-03-28 01:09:36 AM  

Deathfrogg: BarkingUnicorn:
"I'm not gay."
"Gays are going to be treated the same as you."
"But that would make me the same as gay."
"Gaiety is normal."
"No, *I* am normal!"
"Gays should be able to marry."
"But that would make marriage gay, and *I* am married!"

When a difference is important, it is important to keep distinctions.

Thats the crux of the problem right there. They cannot Grok distinctions. It is completely outside of their intellectual capability. There is no difference between normal sexual exploration of a teenager, and the activities of the busiest streetwalker in the city. There is no difference between a thermonuclear warhead and a hand grenade.

A distinction they do seem to make however, is the decision making capabilities of men and women.


No, see they 'do' understand varying levels of severity.  They do, I swear to you, they do.  But Christianity insists that 'sin is sin'.  Thought is the same as action, a lie is the same as murder, and it can all be forgiven if you simply repent before you die.

It's a game of guilt and absolution of responsibility.
 
2013-03-28 01:10:07 AM  

CorporatePerson: jayhawk88: It really is amazing how people like this can cast themselves as the victim. My best friends wife launched a Facebook bomb today, presumably after the pink equal sign started making the FB rounds, saying how unfair it is that people "accuse her of hating someone", just because "she disagrees with their lifestyle/fashion/haircut/political affiliation/whatever"

My cousin can derp with the best of them but once in a while he'll say something halfway reasonable about how it's not the government's business who you want to get married to. Then he starts talking about how the real problem is how gays bully Christians all the time.


my favorite of the day was a psot that went something like "men and women in the military have to ration ammo because of obama's sequester, so I don't care about gay marriage."
 
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