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2013-03-28 12:48:29 AM
I09 is too negative. This whole article is complaining and nitpicking. If they don't like the show, they should just quit watching.
 
2013-03-28 12:54:14 AM
We sure do have a lot of Doctor Who articles lately.
 
2013-03-28 12:56:48 AM
Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.
 
2013-03-28 01:02:29 AM
The last part in The Power of Three really bothered me.  I kept waiting for the Doctor to save the rest of the people on the spaceship before it exploded.  Didn't happen.  Doctor: "Well, I got everybody out that mattered, so let's call it a happy ending."It seemed like the Seventh Doctor would pull this an awful lot too.  I remember watching Dragonfire, which was done during the last gasps of the original show, when John Nathan-Turner was busy turning it into something that was pretty much unwatchable.  The Doctor runs into his acquaintance Sabalom Glitz, who tells the Doctor he just sold all of his crew into slavery to an insane tyrant.  The Seventh Doctor just kind of gives him an, "Oh, you cheeky devil" kind of attitude and when he runs across one of the enslaved crew members, tells her there's nothing he can do for her.  Then at the end of the episode, his companion Mel decides to run off with Sabalom Glitz and the Doctor has no objections.  Sure, it was Mel, but still.
 
2013-03-28 01:03:01 AM
13.  The reflexive greenlighting of yet another list ruthlessly stripmined from the deep history of Doctor Who.
 
2013-03-28 01:05:29 AM

RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.


She wasn't my favorite companion, but she had some good ones.  I believe the first Donna Noble episode (The Runaway Bride?) was very cool just from the music, I may be thinking of the wrong one, but it basically had a fully composed orchestral soundtrack running through the whole thing, I really liked that.
 
2013-03-28 01:10:27 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...
 
2013-03-28 01:11:21 AM

spamdog: We sure do have a lot of Doctor Who articles lately.


Because it comes back on Saturday.

/follow the money
 
2013-03-28 01:20:19 AM
What is it about a cement blowjob that gets people so up in arms?

You know if they hadn't mentioned that, people would have been asking how they have sex.

/and the worst part of the Sylvester McCoy regeneration wasn't the wigs, it was The Doctor dying from a bump on the head.
 
2013-03-28 01:20:27 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I09 is too negative. This whole article is complaining and nitpicking. If they don't like the show, they should just quit watching.


Nice to see that you didn't bother to actually read TFA.

And no, pointing out that Sylvester McCoy in a bad blond wig was a bad idea isn't "nitpicking".
 
2013-03-28 01:24:58 AM

RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.


I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?
 
2013-03-28 01:25:58 AM
The worst part about Dimensions in Time is the creepy disembodied floating heads of Hartnell and Troughton. Those are just so disturbingly bad.
 
2013-03-28 01:28:00 AM

Baron Harkonnen: The last part in The Power of Three really bothered me.  I kept waiting for the Doctor to save the rest of the people on the spaceship before it exploded.  Didn't happen.  Doctor: "Well, I got everybody out that mattered, so let's call it a happy ending.


I just watched that one the other day and I totally missed that part. I guess I was too wrapped up in being pissed about another sonic screwdriver-waving deus ex machina and wondering how much brain damage those people whose hearts had been stopped suffered.
 
2013-03-28 01:29:29 AM

JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?


Donna was good, but Rory and Jack are my two favorite modern companions, although Clara looks like she could be fun.
 
2013-03-28 01:29:44 AM
One of the women, a princess, refuses to strip down, leading the Doctor to have an internal monologue: "Don't let the fact that it might save all our lives influence you." The whole thing is a bit, well, creepy.


So...does her right to not expose her breasts outrank their right to live? That is somehow "creepy" because a woman is being told to be naked against her will, which I guess is worse than death? Wow, we have gotten so P.C. it is insane.

Yes, it was a contrived plotline in order to justify naked breasts, and complaining about that is legitimate. But given the situation the Doctor's comment is spot on. Anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But no, somehow the Doctor's perfectly logical comment is "creepy."
 
2013-03-28 01:30:47 AM

GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...


Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.
 
2013-03-28 01:33:52 AM

FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.


I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.
 
2013-03-28 01:34:53 AM

Mad_Radhu: JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?

Donna was good, but Rory and Jack are my two favorite modern companions, although Clara looks like she could be fun.


The Doctor needs companions who won't take his crap. Donna was great. Jacks run was too short, and also involved Rose who I hated. I stopped watching after the first Matt Smith season, even though I liked him in the role. Too many episodes where the villain could easily simply shoot the Doctor in the face but inexplicably doesn't. Maybe I'll pick it up again sometime.
 
2013-03-28 01:35:38 AM
'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.
 
2013-03-28 01:38:14 AM
List needs "The Gunfighters" and "The Horns of Nimon."  The entire episodes.
 
2013-03-28 01:40:50 AM

wraith95: Mad_Radhu: JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?

Donna was good, but Rory and Jack are my two favorite modern companions, although Clara looks like she could be fun.

The Doctor needs companions who won't take his crap. Donna was great. Jacks run was too short, and also involved Rose who I hated. I stopped watching after the first Matt Smith season, even though I liked him in the role. Too many episodes where the villain could easily simply shoot the Doctor in the face but inexplicably doesn't. Maybe I'll pick it up again sometime.



I didn't ever much care for Rory, too whiny. Jack was fun, but Martha has been my favorite of the recent ones - just the right mix of smartass and badass.
 
2013-03-28 01:41:57 AM

GypsyJoker: List needs "The Gunfighters" and "The Horns of Nimon."  The entire episodes.


What, you mean an episode about singing in an Old West saloon isn't awesome?
 
2013-03-28 01:44:46 AM

Alphax: 'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.


Pig brain.
 
2013-03-28 01:45:37 AM

Kozaru: Alphax: 'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.

Pig brain.


Right.  I sit corrected.
 
2013-03-28 01:53:03 AM

gadian: FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.

I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.


The prop guys must have had some very interesting times. "I know, I've got something in my gran's attic that looks like it could be deadly and from another planet!"
 
2013-03-28 01:55:13 AM

Alphax: 'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.


The best part? That was Deep Roy.
 
2013-03-28 02:02:40 AM

Alphax: Kozaru: Alphax: 'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.

Pig brain.

Right.  I sit corrected.


It was still freaky as fark.
 
2013-03-28 02:10:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: wraith95: Mad_Radhu: JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?

Donna was good, but Rory and Jack are my two favorite modern companions, although Clara looks like she could be fun.

The Doctor needs companions who won't take his crap. Donna was great. Jacks run was too short, and also involved Rose who I hated. I stopped watching after the first Matt Smith season, even though I liked him in the role. Too many episodes where the villain could easily simply shoot the Doctor in the face but inexplicably doesn't. Maybe I'll pick it up again sometime.


I didn't ever much care for Rory, too whiny. Jack was fun, but Martha has been my favorite of the recent ones - just the right mix of smartass and badass.


Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.
 
2013-03-28 02:44:47 AM

wraith95: Mad_Radhu: JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?

Donna was good, but Rory and Jack are my two favorite modern companions, although Clara looks like she could be fun.

The Doctor needs companions who won't take his crap. Donna was great. Jacks run was too short, and also involved Rose who I hated. I stopped watching after the first Matt Smith season, even though I liked him in the role. Too many episodes where the villain could easily simply shoot the Doctor in the face but inexplicably doesn't. Maybe I'll pick it up again sometime.




That could be true of every action hero. Especially James Bond. Or any of the Doctors.
 
2013-03-28 03:30:58 AM

gadian: FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.

I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.


Oh wow, my 1st dr who memory. Terrifying. You've no idea of the episode name?
 
2013-03-28 03:34:02 AM
List fails without the chair of doom.
 
2013-03-28 03:34:37 AM
*ahem*

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2013-03-28 03:38:25 AM

American Decency Association: gadian: FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.

I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.

Oh wow, my 1st dr who memory. Terrifying. You've no idea of the episode name?


I'm thinking it had the Autons, the Master, and the 3rd Doctor, but I don't recall the name.
 
2013-03-28 03:49:39 AM
Doctor WHOSE.

/pet peeve
 
2013-03-28 03:51:39 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I09 is too negative. This whole article is complaining and nitpicking. If they don't like the show, they should just quit watching.


Doctor Who and the Daleks was very unwatchable. Peter Cushing was miscast as the Doctor. Such a horrid movie. >_<
 
2013-03-28 04:15:13 AM
Rowan Atkinson is still the best Doctor.
 
2013-03-28 04:26:49 AM

Spaced Lion: Rowan Atkinson is still the best Doctor.


I



I had always hoped that he would have accepted the role for real.
 
2013-03-28 04:26:52 AM

Spaced Lion: Rowan Atkinson is still the best Doctor.


'Yes, but I went back in time and bought your architect a rather large dinner..'
 
2013-03-28 04:31:35 AM

Christian Bale: Yes, it was a contrived plotline in order to justify naked breasts, and complaining about that is legitimate. But given the situation the Doctor's comment is spot on. Anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But no, somehow the Doctor's perfectly logical comment is "creepy."


I agree that anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But at the same time the human mind goes:

Wait

"What situation is ever going to come up where i'm going to have to be naked to save our lives? Why is my date rape sensor kicking in? What sort of farked up kafkaesque reality must i be trapped within that hauling out my tits is going to save a life? Am i... Am i about to get raped? I think so..."


I would suggest anyone suggesting we could save someones life by being naked is actually just a big creepy perv.
 
2013-03-28 05:00:21 AM

RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.


God damn she was.  Stupid, pig headed, and wouldn't shut up.  So glad when they moved on from her, got tired of every episode being Donna does something stupid, and somehow it works out in the end.  The only companion worse than her was Mel.
 
2013-03-28 05:10:38 AM

wraith95: Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.


This.

If they had left the whole unrequited love out of the Martha story line, I'd have a hard time choosing between her and Donna.

But, Donna, hands down. And she had the worst fate of all the new companions, which sucks.
 
2013-03-28 05:53:25 AM
ShawnDoc
The only companion worse than her was Mel.

She wouldn't have been that bad if they hadn't made her scream so much.
This way I'm not sure who/what's worse: Mel and her screaming or Peri and her non-stop whining.
 
2013-03-28 05:57:31 AM
Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.
 
2013-03-28 06:03:57 AM
He's an ageless savior.

What?  No, he isn't.  He's a sociopathic douche that occasionally collapses into outright genocidal psychopathy.  How little of the show do you have to have watched to think that he's ever the "good guy" absent some pretty absurd coincidences?

This... isn't exactly an obscure aspect of the series, character's been that way since season 1, episode 1.

Christian Bale:  Anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But no, somehow the Doctor's perfectly logical comment is "creepy."


On the other hand, the guy that intentionally started several wars solely for his personal convenience and stranded his granddaughter's teacher in the past with no intention of retrieving her just because he didn't feel like it before the series had even hit ten episodes doesn't really have room to get judgy about people caring more about their dignity than someone else's welfare.

//Yes, I'm a nerd for knowing the first few doctors better than the most recent one.  But from what I've seen of the 2010 series, they had one brief season of the dude actually feeling some sort of remorse and empathy and then went straight back to good old psychopath mode.  Not that, you know, the adventures of evil mad scientist farking up the universe aren't entertaining, I will still probably watch the rest at some point.  I'm just not buying "hero".
 
2013-03-28 06:27:10 AM
Some of the fans are more embarrassing than anything Doctor Who could conjure up.
 
2013-03-28 06:48:13 AM

Spaced Lion: Rowan Atkinson is still the best Doctor.


Not as good as Basil Fawlty was!
 
2013-03-28 06:59:12 AM

Alphax: American Decency Association: gadian: FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.

I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.

Oh wow, my 1st dr who memory. Terrifying. You've no idea of the episode name?

I'm thinking it had the Autons, the Master, and the 3rd Doctor, but I don't recall the name.


Terror of the Autons.  Jon Pertwee.
 
2013-03-28 07:15:46 AM
Well, at least it was a list of badly-produced, -written, -conceived, or -acted moments in the show opposed to a list of the show's  campiest moments written by someone who really has no understanding of the show at all. Except for the one with the Mara, that was pure Doctor Who camp which just makes me wonder why they've even added it.

Poking fun at the Mara is like making fun of "Arena" from Star Trek. Well, duh, the effects and costumes are  horrid; that's part of the fun!
 
2013-03-28 07:16:04 AM

rcf1105: List fails without the chair of doom.


I really like how the actor has to pull the chair over himself.
 
2013-03-28 07:18:35 AM
The one moment of Dr Who history that makes me /facepalm every time was a scene where DW was surrounded by Nimons, and the head Nimon going "KILL HIM!"

And the Nimons begin to awkwardly close in in the Doctor, and just as his Galifrean goose was about to be cooked, the head Nimon then yells out ".....but not yet!"


"KILL HIM, BUT NOT YET!"
 
2013-03-28 08:05:32 AM

Alphax: 'Talons of Weng Chiang' was pretty creepy, with a tiny, ugly doll running around killing people.  Supposedly, it had a monkey brain hooked up to it.


pig cortex I think.
 
2013-03-28 08:07:31 AM
The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

No, actually, it was a painfully bad story written like it was designed for children.

"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"

It felt like I was watching an Aesop Fable, except dumber.

And while the list gives some credit for including that bit at the top of the page, it still fails to mention one of the more embarrassing moments:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB677QyC8U

Not to mention the incredibly dumb climax from 2 hours of build up.  I honestly stopped watching Dr. Who for a few seasons because of this shiat.
 
2013-03-28 08:10:38 AM

SpdrJay: Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.


Oh my god.  THIS!  It was otherwise a good episode, partly because of Moffat's involvement.  But then I get a reminder than RTD is still the showrunner, and has to put on his cheesy BS into every episode.  The droning on at the end of that first episode was painfully annoying.
 
2013-03-28 08:10:43 AM

blue_2501: The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

No, actually, it was a painfully bad story written like it was designed for children.

"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"

It felt like I was watching an Aesop Fable, except dumber.

And while the list gives some credit for including that bit at the top of the page, it still fails to mention one of the more embarrassing moments:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB677QyC8U

Not to mention the incredibly dumb climax from 2 hours of build up.  I honestly stopped watching Dr. Who for a few seasons because of this shiat.


I think it was written by / for kids.  Part of a contest.  That's who the narrator guy was talking to about what it's like to be an adult.
 
2013-03-28 08:20:51 AM

gadian: blue_2501: The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

No, actually, it was a painfully bad story written like it was designed for children.

"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"
"Hey, where did that guy go?"  "I dunno... let's forget about it"

It felt like I was watching an Aesop Fable, except dumber.

And while the list gives some credit for including that bit at the top of the page, it still fails to mention one of the more embarrassing moments:

[i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB677QyC8U

Not to mention the incredibly dumb climax from 2 hours of build up.  I honestly stopped watching Dr. Who for a few seasons because of this shiat.

I think it was written by / for kids.  Part of a contest.  That's who the narrator guy was talking to about what it's like to be an adult.


And Dr. Who is written to be kid friendly and adult friendly. It's a difficult line.
 
2013-03-28 08:27:51 AM

gadian: I think it was written by / for kids.  Part of a contest.  That's who the narrator guy was talking to about what it's like to be an adult.


Eh?  We had Sarah Janes Adventures and that K9 show for that.  Why have that leak over to Who?  Sure, you can make the show kid friendly, but don't make the story designed for kids.
 
2013-03-28 08:35:38 AM

blue_2501: And while the list gives some credit for including that bit at the top of the page, it still fails to mention one of the more embarrassing moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB677QyC8U


We've replaced the Master with Daffy Duck. Lets see if anyone notices...
 
2013-03-28 08:37:22 AM
50 years to choose from and they could only come up with 12 embarrassing moments, 2 of which aren't even cannon. It really must eb a quality show.
 
2013-03-28 08:39:30 AM

gadian: I think it was written by / for kids. Part of a contest.


Wait, Love and Monsters was written by a child as part of a contest, and it included a guy talking about getting sucked off by disembodied head stuck in a slab of sidewalk concrete?

That's farking awesome.
 
2013-03-28 08:42:21 AM
The most embarrassing part of "Power of Three" is everyone getting up after being resuscitated as if they had fallen asleep.  I'm sure cardiac arrest has nastier effects.
 
2013-03-28 08:56:02 AM

ederosia: Spaced Lion: Rowan Atkinson is still the best Doctor.

Not as good as Basil Fawlty was!


Listen, don't mention the daleks I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it all right.
 
2013-03-28 08:57:08 AM

Type40: years to choose from and they could only come up with 12 embarrassing moments


Oh, they could have picked many, many more moments. Hell, the most "gulhargh what are you thinking?" for me was when Tennant gave Rose a surrogate Doctor that she could totally bang.

bifford: The most embarrassing part of "Power of Three" is everyone getting up after being resuscitated as if they had fallen asleep.  I'm sure cardiac arrest has nastier effects


The only good thing about that episode is that it had UNIT in it, and a new Brigadier-type character (even though she shouldn't have been the original Brig's daughter- that's just hacky fanwank).

The Doctor does need a serious-minded straight-man, like the Brig. Rory partially filled that role, but not perfectly (he was way too willing to get dragged along, he just complained about it).
 
2013-03-28 09:00:01 AM

The Voice of Doom: ShawnDoc
The only companion worse than her was Mel.

She wouldn't have been that bad if they hadn't made her scream so much.
This way I'm not sure who/what's worse: Mel and her screaming or Peri and her non-stop whining.


I'd like to nominate Tegan. Spent her whole farking time with the Doctor -- travelling in a  time machine -- whining that she was going to be late for her flight. And whining when someone did something she didn't like. And whining when someone did something she did like, but hadn't thought of. And whining because...well, let's just simplify this: there wasn't much she  didn't whine about.

The Doctor should've just dumped her somewhere and called it a wash.
 
2013-03-28 09:02:09 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-28 09:04:20 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: The Doctor should've just dumped her somewhere and called it a wash.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Next companion?
 
2013-03-28 09:06:04 AM

t3knomanser: (even though she shouldn't have been the original Brig's daughter- that's just hacky fanwank).


I dunno. I kinda liked it. It was an acknowledgement of the Doctor Who EU, where she is a very important character, from what I've read, and a nice tie-back to the classic series.
 
2013-03-28 09:09:44 AM

PizzaJedi81: It was an acknowledgement of the Doctor Who EU, where she is a very important character, from what I've read, and a nice tie-back to the classic series.


Like I said: fanwank. I mean, it's harmless, but I wouldn't want her to become a major character. I loathe it when stories start piling on relatives of well-liked characters in hopes that some reflected glory will rub off on them too. I'd love a Brig-esque character, I just don't think it should be her.
 
2013-03-28 09:11:44 AM

t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: It was an acknowledgement of the Doctor Who EU, where she is a very important character, from what I've read, and a nice tie-back to the classic series.

Like I said: fanwank. I mean, it's harmless, but I wouldn't want her to become a major character. I loathe it when stories start piling on relatives of well-liked characters in hopes that some reflected glory will rub off on them too. I'd love a Brig-esque character, I just don't think it should be her.


Is...crap, I forget her name, but the Brigadier from Battlefield acceptable? Because I liked her, and that was one of McCoy's better stories.
 
2013-03-28 09:12:19 AM

PizzaJedi81: I forget her name, but the Brigadier from Battlefield acceptable?


She was pretty cool. It'd be a definite step up.
 
2013-03-28 09:13:29 AM

Baron Harkonnen: Wait, Love and Monsters was written by a child as part of a contest, and it included a guy talking about getting sucked off by disembodied head stuck in a slab of sidewalk concrete?

That's farking awesome.


Well, obviously not the entire thing. Though that would be pretty awesome if they let that slip through. I think I heard it in the first place in one of the Doctor Who confidentials.
 
2013-03-28 09:18:53 AM

JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?


*cough* Rory *cough*
 
2013-03-28 09:19:25 AM

t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: I forget her name, but the Brigadier from Battlefield acceptable?

She was pretty cool. It'd be a definite step up.


I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, who is more well known, Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart, or...damn, what IS her name?

If they're wanting callbacks for the anniversary year, who's a better call back than one of the best -not-actually-a-companion Companions than the Brig?

/Brigadier Winifred Bambera...that's her name.
 
2013-03-28 09:22:48 AM

PizzaJedi81: t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: I forget her name, but the Brigadier from Battlefield acceptable?

She was pretty cool. It'd be a definite step up.

I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, who is more well known, Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart, or...damn, what IS her name?

If they're wanting callbacks for the anniversary year, who's a better call back than one of the best -not-actually-a-companion Companions than the Brig?

/Brigadier Winifred Bambera...that's her name.



That might be a touch difficult, at this point.
 
2013-03-28 09:23:14 AM
Stereotypes or not, but Leela makes a couple of good points during the 'Talons' episode:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-28 09:58:47 AM

PizzaJedi81: If they're wanting callbacks for the anniversary year


I was quite happy that recently the Moff was arguing that they  shouldn't be doing a lot of callbacks- that Doctor Who should always be focused on  the future of the series, not its past. And he's right. A sense of history isn't bad, and hacky fanwank  isn't always bad, it's just hacky fanwank. It's when a show crawls too far up its own ass that you have problems.
 
2013-03-28 10:00:21 AM

t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: If they're wanting callbacks for the anniversary year

I was quite happy that recently the Moff was arguing that they  shouldn't be doing a lot of callbacks- that Doctor Who should always be focused on  the future of the series, not its past. And he's right. A sense of history isn't bad, and hacky fanwank  isn't always bad, it's just hacky fanwank. It's when a show crawls too far up its own ass that you have problems.


True enough...but thinking of Battlefield, I wouldn't mind seeing the first half of that, where the Doctor becomes Merlin, and sets the event of that serial in motion.
 
2013-03-28 10:21:03 AM

blue_2501: SpdrJay: Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Oh my god.  THIS!  It was otherwise a good episode, partly because of Moffat's involvement.  But then I get a reminder than RTD is still the showrunner, and has to put on his cheesy BS into every episode.  The droning on at the end of that first episode was painfully annoying.


I think the repetition is more of a Moffat thing. He wrote these episodes:

The Empty Child - "Are you my mummy?"
Silence in the Library - "Hey, who turned out the lights?"
The Eleventh Hour - "Prisoner Zero will vacate the human residence, or the human residence will be incinerated!"
 
2013-03-28 10:45:00 AM

gadian: Baron Harkonnen: Wait, Love and Monsters was written by a child as part of a contest, and it included a guy talking about getting sucked off by disembodied head stuck in a slab of sidewalk concrete?

That's farking awesome.

Well, obviously not the entire thing. Though that would be pretty awesome if they let that slip through. I think I heard it in the first place in one of the Doctor Who confidentials.


The monster was from a children's contest, but I think the rest of it was written by an adult.
 
2013-03-28 11:02:27 AM
I'm convinced that the repetitive nature of much of the DW dialogue is to sell more merchandise with said quotes on them. It's like repeating the name of the product as many times as possible in a commercial.

This message brought to you by Lunesta. While taking Lunesta do not take Lunesta. Lunesta.
 
2013-03-28 11:03:48 AM

there4igraham: I'm convinced that the repetitive nature of much of the DW dialogue is to sell more merchandise with said quotes on them. It's like repeating the name of the product as many times as possible in a commercial.

This message brought to you by Lunesta. While taking Lunesta do not take Lunesta. Lunesta.


I think you hit that Head On.
 
2013-03-28 11:04:46 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Martha has been my favorite of the recent ones - just the right mix of smartass and badass.


Martha had two issues. First, they turned her into a lovesick girl, which was a waste of her intelligence (she was a doctor!) and abilities.

Second, she was too gorgeous. It was distracting having her on the screen because she was so damn beautiful. If her and Olivia Wilde were on the screen at the same time during a show, I wouldn't remember a single word and would be caught looking back and forth between them.
 
2013-03-28 11:22:22 AM

mokinokaro: gadian: Baron Harkonnen: Wait, Love and Monsters was written by a child as part of a contest, and it included a guy talking about getting sucked off by disembodied head stuck in a slab of sidewalk concrete?

That's farking awesome.

Well, obviously not the entire thing. Though that would be pretty awesome if they let that slip through. I think I heard it in the first place in one of the Doctor Who confidentials.

The monster was from a children's contest, but I think the rest of it was written by an adult.


The kid designed the Abzorbaloff for a competition for Blue Peter (another kids show). Everything else was written by adults.
 
2013-03-28 11:28:04 AM
Put me in the camp of people who enjoyed Love and Monsters.  The weird slapstick was a little offputting, but I enjoyed the attempt to show what happens when the Doctor fails, and miserably.  The coda with Elton's mom disappearing was a great moment, and the look on Tennant's face when he is looking out the window after Elton's mother had died was equally great.  I think a lot of people get hung up on the concrete BJ thing, but the episode, despite its flaws, succeeded in putting a new spin on a character that was almost 45 years old.  Was it excellent, or an all time great?  No, but it was a big risk, and, like all big risks, parts failed, and the parts that succeeded soared.

\besides, you have Fear Her to trash
\\The Family of Blood arc was the best Tennant episode arc, dammit
 
2013-03-28 11:30:45 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: besides, you have Fear Her to trash


What is this Fear Her of which you speak?
 
2013-03-28 11:33:57 AM

PizzaJedi81: whizbangthedirtfarmer: besides, you have Fear Her to trash

What is this Fear Her of which you speak?


It was pretty traumatizing, wasn't it?  The only redeeming part was the moment when you realize what a good acting job Tennant is doing when he is along with the little girl.  For a sweet few seconds, she actually looks capable of human emotion.  Then you realize that Tennant is working hard to carry her and somehow almost pulling it off.
 
2013-03-28 11:34:30 AM

PizzaJedi81: What is this Fear Her of which you speak?


It was an episode of Doctor Who that existed for a time, but the Doctor when back and removed it from the Time Stream before anyone ever saw it- anyone but an unfortunate few, anyway.
 
2013-03-28 11:37:14 AM

t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: What is this Fear Her of which you speak?

It was an episode of Doctor Who that existed for a time, but the Doctor when back and removed it from the Time Stream before anyone ever saw it- anyone but an unfortunate few, anyway.


But I thought things went kerblewy if he crossed his own time stream.

Oh, well...never stopped him before.
 
2013-03-28 11:37:51 AM

t3knomanser: PizzaJedi81: What is this Fear Her of which you speak?

It was an episode of Doctor Who that existed for a time, but the Doctor when back and removed it from the Time Stream before anyone ever saw it- anyone but an unfortunate few, anyway.


I think it got edited out of the rebooted universe during the Big Bang episode, which is why the London opening ceremonies happened a different way.
 
2013-03-28 11:38:32 AM

PizzaJedi81: But I thought things went kerblewy if he crossed his own time stream.


Crossing his own time stream is only dangerous if the writers need it to be.
 
2013-03-28 12:13:01 PM
I watched 'Doctor Who and the Daleks'.  Oh, that was bad.  I listened to the audio book "Doctor Who and the Daleks", and while there were some changes to the characters, it wasn't major and the story was great.  So when I found the movie I was hoping it that it would be based on the book of the same name.  It was a huge let down.  I gave a copy of it to my friend who watches bad movies every October.
 
2013-03-28 12:15:51 PM

thisone: wraith95: Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.

This.

If they had left the whole unrequited love out of the Martha story line, I'd have a hard time choosing between her and Donna.

But, Donna, hands down. And she had the worst fate of all the new companions, which sucks.


Agreed.  Donna/Tenth Doctor is my favorite combination.  Dropping the nonsense about the companion being a wangsty woman-child in love with the Doctor (that kind of thing is tolerable in SMALL doses) in favor of a grownup who is not shy about telling him "suck it up, alien-boy" was the perfect move after the embarrassing waste of potential that was the Martha series.  I was irritated that they started to get right back to it with Amy's crush on the Doctor, but they saved it by bringing Rory on board full-time and marrying them.  Since we're heading right back to yet another hot young girl for the companion, I pray to whatever gods watch over Gallifreyans that she does NOT fall in love with him.
 
2013-03-28 12:20:40 PM
Screw you, io9. Talons of Weng-Chiang is one of the best stories ever.
 
2013-03-28 12:21:35 PM

TheHopeDiamond: Screw you, io9. Talons of Weng-Chiang is one of the best stories ever.


They didn't deny that, but, c'mon...the yellow face was pretty embarassing.
 
2013-03-28 12:35:10 PM

Son of Thunder: thisone: wraith95: Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.

This.

If they had left the whole unrequited love out of the Martha story line, I'd have a hard time choosing between her and Donna.

But, Donna, hands down. And she had the worst fate of all the new companions, which sucks.

Agreed.  Donna/Tenth Doctor is my favorite combination.  Dropping the nonsense about the companion being a wangsty woman-child in love with the Doctor (that kind of thing is tolerable in SMALL doses) in favor of a grownup who is not shy about telling him "suck it up, alien-boy" was the perfect move after the embarrassing waste of potential that was the Martha series.  I was irritated that they started to get right back to it with Amy's crush on the Doctor, but they saved it by bringing Rory on board full-time and marrying them.  Since we're heading right back to yet another hot young girl for the companion, I pray to whatever gods watch over Gallifreyans that she does NOT fall in love with him.


Before David Tennant's departure from the series, I remember reading about having Matt Smith play a younger Doctor (which he did), but making the companion an older woman who the Doctor had the crush on but she only saw him as he looked, not as the 900 year old plus character.  I personally would have liked to have seen that.

One thing I want to see happen is that now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show, I would like to see Clara stay on, as Rose did for 9 and 10.  I would also like to see an older Doctor.  After Matt Smith and David Tennant, I would like to see someone in their 40s or 50s play the role.
 
2013-03-28 12:37:11 PM

Great Janitor: now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show,


I thought that was still rumour. Is there an article with an actual quote, not "I heard it from a bloke down the pub?"
 
2013-03-28 12:50:44 PM

PizzaJedi81: Great Janitor: now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show,

I thought that was still rumour. Is there an article with an actual quote, not "I heard it from a bloke down the pub?"


I thought it was due to all the death threats from the fans of the show....
 
2013-03-28 12:51:28 PM

PizzaJedi81: Great Janitor: now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show,

I thought that was still rumour. Is there an article with an actual quote, not "I heard it from a bloke down the pub?"


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4854006/matt-smith-s et -to-leave-doctor-who-at-christmas.html
 
2013-03-28 12:55:15 PM

Great Janitor: PizzaJedi81: Great Janitor: now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show,

I thought that was still rumour. Is there an article with an actual quote, not "I heard it from a bloke down the pub?"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4854006/matt-smith-s et -to-leave-doctor-who-at-christmas.html


Yeeeeaaaaah, the Sun, firstly, isn't the most reputable source. Second, there are no direct quotes from Smith about his future with the show. I see a remark that could either be "Yeah, I'm done," or "Yeah, the contract negotiations are still on-going." Aside from that, there's a whole lot of "An insider says," and "according to our sources."

I'm not saying I disblieve it, but rather I'd like to see an actual quote, from Smith or Moffatt, saying that it's happening.
 
2013-03-28 01:04:04 PM
 
2013-03-28 01:04:38 PM

Great Janitor: PizzaJedi81: Great Janitor: now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show,

I thought that was still rumour. Is there an article with an actual quote, not "I heard it from a bloke down the pub?"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4854006/matt-smith-s et -to-leave-doctor-who-at-christmas.html


Because The Sun is known for its reliability, honesty, and all-around journalistic integrity.
 
2013-03-28 01:13:36 PM

Great Janitor: Son of Thunder: thisone: wraith95: Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.

This.

If they had left the whole unrequited love out of the Martha story line, I'd have a hard time choosing between her and Donna.

But, Donna, hands down. And she had the worst fate of all the new companions, which sucks.

Agreed.  Donna/Tenth Doctor is my favorite combination.  Dropping the nonsense about the companion being a wangsty woman-child in love with the Doctor (that kind of thing is tolerable in SMALL doses) in favor of a grownup who is not shy about telling him "suck it up, alien-boy" was the perfect move after the embarrassing waste of potential that was the Martha series.  I was irritated that they started to get right back to it with Amy's crush on the Doctor, but they saved it by bringing Rory on board full-time and marrying them.  Since we're heading right back to yet another hot young girl for the companion, I pray to whatever gods watch over Gallifreyans that she does NOT fall in love with him.

Before David Tennant's departure from the series, I remember reading about having Matt Smith play a younger Doctor (which he did), but making the companion an older woman who the Doctor had the crush on but she only saw him as he looked, not as the 900 year old plus character.  I personally would have liked to have seen that.

One thing I want to see happen is that now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show, I would like to see Clara stay on, as Rose did for 9 and 10.  I would also like to see an older Doctor.  After Matt Smith and David Tennant, I would like to see someone in their 40s or 50s play the role.


I have said it before, and I'll say it again: Martin Clunes.  The guy can bring whimsy and gravitas to the role, and his age will prevent the old "greatest girl in the universe" storyline that's been at work since, oh, 2005.  Yes, yes, he played Doc Martin, but he was excellent in that, too.  I think if he lost a few pounds and got into running shape, he would be an excellent Doctor.
 
2013-03-28 01:18:16 PM
The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

Just, no. It's easily the worst episode of the new series. The last five minutes were the only thing that redeemed it in any way. The concrete blowjob bit was there as if to say, "Forget everything you just saw. It was all just a horrible, horrible joke."
 
2013-03-28 01:21:38 PM
The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

Bullshiat.
 
2013-03-28 01:40:49 PM
Also list fails without this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw6OwJQDCoM
 
2013-03-28 01:44:09 PM

Valacirca: Also list fails without this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw6OwJQDCoM


Another classic moment the list forgot:

Sutekh rising from his, apparently Thing Addams infested, chair.
 
2013-03-28 01:50:27 PM

mikefinch: Christian Bale: Yes, it was a contrived plotline in order to justify naked breasts, and complaining about that is legitimate. But given the situation the Doctor's comment is spot on. Anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But no, somehow the Doctor's perfectly logical comment is "creepy."

I agree that anyone unwilling to get naked to save a group's lives is being insanely prudish. But at the same time the human mind goes:

Wait

"What situation is ever going to come up where i'm going to have to be naked to save our lives? Why is my date rape sensor kicking in? What sort of farked up kafkaesque reality must i be trapped within that hauling out my tits is going to save a life? Am i... Am i about to get raped? I think so..."

I would suggest anyone suggesting we could save someones life by being naked is actually just a big creepy perv.


I'd bet it's a matter of perspective. TFA author is a woman, and I'd guess the idea of being told to bare her breasts would be problematic and more evocative. Most guys probably wouldn't have thought twice about it, especially if it meant escaping danger.

As for the actual situation, they were in a whore house trying to escape danger. If you're attempting to not arouse suspicion, then fitting in is a good way to do it. But the problem being that all the people to be "fitted in with" are topless prostitutes. So there's the dilemma.

It's not like the Doctor was suggesting they get topless casually in the middle of the Tardis.
 
2013-03-28 01:54:20 PM

TheHumanCannonball: It's not like the Doctor was suggesting they get topless casually in the middle of the Tardis.


Not  that time, no. But he is totally getting the TARDIS to Majorca, and they have topless beaches. When in Rome, well,  Majorca and all that.

//I have no idea if Majorca has topless beaches
 
2013-03-28 02:00:02 PM

TheHumanCannonball: I'd bet it's a matter of perspective. TFA author is a woman, and I'd guess the idea of being told to bare her breasts would be problematic and more evocative. Most guys probably wouldn't have thought twice about it, especially if it meant escaping danger.

As for the actual situation, they were in a whore house trying to escape danger. If you're attempting to not arouse suspicion, then fitting in is a good way to do it. But the problem being that all the people to be "fitted in with" are topless prostitutes. So there's the dilemma.

It's not like the Doctor was suggesting they get topless casually in the middle of the Tardis.


The creepy thing isn't exactly the situation itself, its that the situation was written at all.  Yeah the choice between going topless and saving lives shouldn't be that difficult, but this is fiction and the situation didn't need to be written to require this at all.  Its obviously just trashy sex appeal, which fits weird into Doctor Who.
 
2013-03-28 02:05:02 PM

Valacirca: which fits weird into Doctor Who


I can't decide if I should reply to this with a picture of Peri, Leela, Romana I, or Zoe clinging to the TARDIS console.
 
2013-03-28 02:20:20 PM

t3knomanser: Valacirca: which fits weird into Doctor Who

I can't decide if I should reply to this with a picture of Peri, Leela, Romana I, or Zoe clinging to the TARDIS console.


Any. All.

/leela in the Tardis swimming pool
//bunk
 
2013-03-28 02:50:32 PM

roughridersfan: TuteTibiImperes: Martha has been my favorite of the recent ones - just the right mix of smartass and badass.

Martha had two issues. First, they turned her into a lovesick girl, which was a waste of her intelligence (she was a doctor!) and abilities.

Second, she was too gorgeous. It was distracting having her on the screen because she was so damn beautiful. If her and Olivia Wilde were on the screen at the same time during a show, I wouldn't remember a single word and would be caught looking back and forth between them.


Either because of (or in no way related to) the fact the actress playing Martha wasn't white, I think the writers felt like they couldn't do what they usually do with companions: make their lives vaguely loser-esque with a giant TARDIS shaped hole in the middle.  I suspect the writers felt like if they'd written her that way it might have been seen as 'saying something' (or something) about race.

And *this* is why she became one of my fav companions: she wasn't just sitting around like a bump on a log waiting for someone (cough::a guy::cough) to enter her life and make it work for her.  They took pains to show she was smart, ambitious, and close to her family.  This made her decision to leave it all behind a lot more interesting.

Also, her big 'effing deal was not tied to something she was (human timelord, the bad wolf, etc...) but something she did, walking the Earth to bring people over to the side of the Doctor.  She didn't get the best episodes (perhaps for a fantasy show such a grounded character just wouldn't attract the best eps) but she's the companion I feel most closely resembles people I know/would get drunk with.

/though at least with Amy, they made it so she had actually seen what her life was left empty for
 
2013-03-28 02:54:37 PM

t3knomanser: when Tennant gave Rose a surrogate Doctor that she could totally bang.


I want to see that clone come back, played by Tennant of course. It didn't take long for someone with the doctors 900 odd (at the time) years of memories to get fed up of being stranded with a family of annoying chavs, He has killed them all and is coming after The Doctor for revenge and to steal his regenerations. I think it could work.
 
2013-03-28 03:12:05 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: The David Tennant story "Love and Monsters" is actually a terrific story that gets panned purely on the basis of its last five minutes.

Just, no. It's easily the worst episode of the new series. The last five minutes were the only thing that redeemed it in any way. The concrete blowjob bit was there as if to say, "Forget everything you just saw. It was all just a horrible, horrible joke."


Love and Monsters was unusual, it was experimental and different and unfirtunately got it wrong, however, being experimental and different is to be applauded as when it works it brings us good original television. As opposed to Fear her which was bad because it was lazy, underdeveloped and shared all it's resources with Idiot's Lantern.

Making a bad show by being daring and getting it wrong is still a lot better than making a bad show by not trying hard enough to make a good one. I'll take the occasional Love and Monsters if the lessons learned bring me more God Complexes, Amy's Choices, Midnights, Blinks, and Girl in the Fireplaces.
 
2013-03-28 03:26:02 PM
Surprised the worst murder scene ever wasn't brought up.

/Meh, Revelation is still among my top 20 right now.

As for embarrassing to the character: the Master watching kids programming. More than once.
 
2013-03-28 03:27:30 PM

K.B.O. Winston: roughridersfan: TuteTibiImperes: Martha has been my favorite of the recent ones - just the right mix of smartass and badass.

Martha had two issues. First, they turned her into a lovesick girl, which was a waste of her intelligence (she was a doctor!) and abilities.

Second, she was too gorgeous. It was distracting having her on the screen because she was so damn beautiful. If her and Olivia Wilde were on the screen at the same time during a show, I wouldn't remember a single word and would be caught looking back and forth between them.

Either because of (or in no way related to) the fact the actress playing Martha wasn't white, I think the writers felt like they couldn't do what they usually do with companions: make their lives vaguely loser-esque with a giant TARDIS shaped hole in the middle.  I suspect the writers felt like if they'd written her that way it might have been seen as 'saying something' (or something) about race.

And *this* is why she became one of my fav companions: she wasn't just sitting around like a bump on a log waiting for someone (cough::a guy::cough) to enter her life and make it work for her.  They took pains to show she was smart, ambitious, and close to her family.  This made her decision to leave it all behind a lot more interesting.

Also, her big 'effing deal was not tied to something she was (human timelord, the bad wolf, etc...) but something she did, walking the Earth to bring people over to the side of the Doctor.  She didn't get the best episodes (perhaps for a fantasy show such a grounded character just wouldn't attract the best eps) but she's the companion I feel most closely resembles people I know/would get drunk with.

/though at least with Amy, they made it so she had actually seen what her life was left empty for


Also, was it my imagination or did Martha's sister get killed by Daleks at the end of the 4th season, and no-one seemed to give a damn?
It seems Martha or her mother should at least have mentioned it in casual conversation.
 
2013-03-28 03:28:07 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: As for embarrassing to the character: the Master watching kids programming. More than once.


What? Clangers and Teletubbies? That added something, I felt.
 
2013-03-28 03:36:45 PM

PizzaJedi81: whizbangthedirtfarmer: besides, you have Fear Her to trash

What is this Fear Her of which you speak?


It's like Power of Three or End of Time, a lost episode that never aired.

/before you assume, my problem with end of time is that it sucked
//not that Tennant left
 
2013-03-28 03:53:38 PM

Ostman: Also, was it my imagination or did Martha's sister get killed by Daleks at the end of the 4th season, and no-one seemed to give a damn?
It seems Martha or her mother should at least have mentione ...


Martha did mention it. She said she had a "cousin" who worked with the company.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:55 PM

K.B.O. Winston: And *this* is why she became one of my fav companions: she wasn't just sitting around like a bump on a log waiting for someone (cough::a guy::cough) to enter her life and make it work for her.  They took pains to show she was smart, ambitious, and close to her family.  This made her decision to leave it all behind a lot more interesting.


For me that's exactly what should have made her the best NuWho companion.  

Instead they threw all of that away by having her throw away all that life, ambition, etc. to chase some guy for a season's worth of unrequited love (showing that in the end she too was just waiting for a guy to enter her life to make it worthwhile).  They took "cool independent woman" and made her into love-sick Rose, whining that the doctor changed his face without telling her (okay, never that bad - but still whining about being a rebound).

That Donna had a crappy life, left it behind and  didn't fall madly in love with him made her my favorite companion - she chased the dream of the TARDIS and not McDreamy.
 
2013-03-28 03:59:56 PM

PizzaJedi81: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: As for embarrassing to the character: the Master watching kids programming. More than once.

What? Clangers and Teletubbies? That added something, I felt.


I just felt bad for the Master, how he believed in those instances that they were the most profound things ever. Still great moments.
 
2013-03-28 04:08:53 PM

Type40: t3knomanser: when Tennant gave Rose a surrogate Doctor that she could totally bang.

I want to see that clone come back, played by Tennant of course. It didn't take long for someone with the doctors 900 odd (at the time) years of memories to get fed up of being stranded with a family of annoying chavs, He has killed them all and is coming after The Doctor for revenge and to steal his regenerations. I think it could work.


Especially since, in a deleted scene, RealDoctor gave CloneDoctor a piece of TARDIS so he could grow his own.

BTW, anybody watch Tennant and Tate doing Much Ado About Nothing? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjmqSJ0ElNs )?  I'm thinking of downloading it (legally, legally of course).
 
2013-03-28 04:24:59 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: PizzaJedi81: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: As for embarrassing to the character: the Master watching kids programming. More than once.

What? Clangers and Teletubbies? That added something, I felt.

I just felt bad for the Master, how he believed in those instances that they were the most profound things ever. Still great moments.


I like Simm, but I kind of wish they had given Jacobi more screen time as the Master.  When he emerges from his state with the fob watch, his "I AM THE MASTER" was pretty awesome.  Excellent acting.
 
2013-03-28 06:06:25 PM
Neckbeards hate Love & Monsters because the villain is a parody of every petulant neckbeard that's endeavoured to ruin a fandom.
 
2013-03-28 06:07:46 PM
My favorite is the one where the Doctor had to go back in time and kill Joan Collins when she was a cowboy.

That, or the one with the sleestak.
 
2013-03-28 06:32:29 PM
How about a fat Doctor? One who's not young and boyishly handsome?

I have a suggestion:

theforce.net

And yes, he was King Yrcanos, but it's not unusual for The Doctor or other Timelords and companions to look like a person the Doctor met in his past. Leela did it. Colin Baker was on Gallifrey before he was the Doctor. Martha's identical cousin died before Martha joined up, too.

Just think of it. Brian farking Blessed as The Doctor. A return to the bombastic, loud, kinda loopy Doctor they tried for with Colin Baker, but with Blessed's bluster and presence.

And if not him, then at least consider:

fortresstakes.files.wordpress.com

He was the best part of Sliders (well, okay. I crushed on Sabrina Lloyd and greatly enjoyed watching her on that show) and he could play The Doctor so well. Heck, he'd also make a smashing Master.
 
2013-03-28 06:47:59 PM
List fails without: upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-28 06:51:35 PM

ZeroCorpse: Brian farking Blessed as The Doctor


Twenty years ago, BRIAN BLESSED would have been an awesome Doctor. Today, he'd be far better as a Timelord magistrate or something like that.

Same for the dude from "Sliders".

I still want Charlie Booker to be the Doctor. Not because it'd be any good, but because it'd be awesomely hilarious.
 
2013-03-28 07:35:09 PM

bifford: The most embarrassing part of "Power of Three" is everyone getting up after being resuscitated as if they had fallen asleep.  I'm sure cardiac arrest has nastier effects.


Glad to see I wasn't the only one who was bugged by that. How long were they out for? Five minutes? Ten? Definite drain bammage potential there.
 
2013-03-28 07:37:48 PM

roughridersfan: Ostman: Also, was it my imagination or did Martha's sister get killed by Daleks at the end of the 4th season, and no-one seemed to give a damn?
It seems Martha or her mother should at least have mentione ...

Martha did mention it. She said she had a "cousin" who worked with the company.


What I want to know is what happened to Amy's parents? I don't recall ever seeing them again after "The Big Bang".
 
2013-03-28 08:05:59 PM

JosephFinn: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

I'm sorry, you mean the best modern companion?


This
She didn't look at him with puppy-dog eyes like Rose and Martha
/but she wasn't hot like Amy
//mmmmm Amy
 
2013-03-28 08:24:24 PM

ZeroCorpse: Just think of it. Brian farking Blessed as The Doctor.


LOUDEST! DOCTOR! EVER!
 
2013-03-28 09:59:23 PM

Aexia: Neckbeards hate Love & Monsters because the villain is a parody of every petulant neckbeard that's endeavoured to ruin a fandom.


And us normal folks dislike it, because it wasn't good.

/Fear Her was worse
 
2013-03-28 10:09:09 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Great Janitor: Son of Thunder: thisone: wraith95: Martha was alright. I just expected more intelligence than she generally displayed. She was also way too in love with the doctor, I had enough of that with Rose.

This.

If they had left the whole unrequited love out of the Martha story line, I'd have a hard time choosing between her and Donna.

But, Donna, hands down. And she had the worst fate of all the new companions, which sucks.

Agreed.  Donna/Tenth Doctor is my favorite combination.  Dropping the nonsense about the companion being a wangsty woman-child in love with the Doctor (that kind of thing is tolerable in SMALL doses) in favor of a grownup who is not shy about telling him "suck it up, alien-boy" was the perfect move after the embarrassing waste of potential that was the Martha series.  I was irritated that they started to get right back to it with Amy's crush on the Doctor, but they saved it by bringing Rory on board full-time and marrying them.  Since we're heading right back to yet another hot young girl for the companion, I pray to whatever gods watch over Gallifreyans that she does NOT fall in love with him.

Before David Tennant's departure from the series, I remember reading about having Matt Smith play a younger Doctor (which he did), but making the companion an older woman who the Doctor had the crush on but she only saw him as he looked, not as the 900 year old plus character.  I personally would have liked to have seen that.

One thing I want to see happen is that now that Matt Smith has said that he's leaving the show, I would like to see Clara stay on, as Rose did for 9 and 10.  I would also like to see an older Doctor.  After Matt Smith and David Tennant, I would like to see someone in their 40s or 50s play the role.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again: Martin Clunes.  The guy can bring whimsy and gravitas to the role, and his age will prevent the old "greatest girl in the universe" storyline that's been at work since, oh, 2005.  ...


Craig Ferguson. Bigger Who dork than anyone on fark, has a rather, er, odd personality, and would almost certainly leap at the chance.
 
2013-03-28 11:14:33 PM
I wish Benefict Cumberbatch would become the doctor. May actually watch the show, then.
 
2013-03-29 12:58:13 AM

Anastacya: I wish Benefict Cumberbatch would become the doctor. May actually watch the show, then.


If Moffat is still running the show in time for the 12th Doctor, he's a good bet. The only question would be Sherlock- if that's still going strong, overlapping the schedules might be difficult. Not to mention that having the same lead actor and lead producer on both shows would be a little odd.

Also, Matt Smith auditioned for Watson in Sherlock before he got the role as the Doctor. Imagine that for a minute. Now think of the Doctor's Sherlock Holmes impression in the recent Christmas special. Try imagining again.
 
2013-03-29 02:02:05 AM

Anastacya: I wish Benefict Cumberbatch would become the doctor. May actually watch the show, then.


And i would stop completely. He has this look on his face like someone just vomited into his underpants and sent him on his way.

And moffat sucks. Its called Dr. Who not "The River Song story" -- She is just terrible. Shes like scrappy doo in time travel...
 
2013-03-29 02:42:56 AM

t3knomanser: Same for the dude from "Sliders".


John Rhys Davies has been an extremely prolific actor for over 40 years, he was in two Indiana Jones Movies, at least one James Bond and Played Gimli in all Three Lord of the Rings movies. I'll thank you not to refer to him as "The dude from Sliders".
 
2013-03-29 03:26:51 AM

Son of Thunder: ZeroCorpse: Just think of it. Brian farking Blessed as The Doctor.

LOUDEST! DOCTOR! EVER!


Colin Baker and his magical coat would like a moment.
 
2013-03-29 03:48:12 AM

Type40: John Rhys Davies has been an extremely prolific actor for over 40 years, he was in two Indiana Jones Movies, at least one James Bond and Played Gimli in all Three Lord of the Rings movies. I'll thank you not to refer to him as "The dude from Sliders".


Actually i had an idea for a sketch where at big red carpet events you call stars over for the quick interviews but introduce them only by obscure works or total bombs.

Like Lawrence Fishburne isn't "morpheus from the matrix" he's "that guy from that one of those episodes of mash with the racism"

And Marg Helgenburger isn't that "cathrine from csi" shes "that chick from species"

And elijah wood isn't frodo -- he's the kid from "flipper"

I just thought it would be a good red carpet shtick... Cool schtick bro?
 
2013-03-29 07:05:38 AM

Anastacya: I wish Benefict Cumberbatch would become the doctor. May actually watch the show, then.


Oh, shiat, I would completely ignore the show.  The guy plays an absolute cock really well, so if you want to see Cumberbatch play Sherlock play the Doctor, that would be fine.  That. and I don't think I've heard Cumberbatch actually speak a line.  He mumbles and makes goofy faces when he talks.

\overrated actor on an extremely overrated show
 
2013-03-29 10:31:01 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Anastacya: I wish Benefict Cumberbatch would become the doctor. May actually watch the show, then.

Oh, shiat, I would completely ignore the show.  The guy plays an absolute cock really well, so if you want to see Cumberbatch play Sherlock play the Doctor, that would be fine.  That. and I don't think I've heard Cumberbatch actually speak a line.  He mumbles and makes goofy faces when he talks.

\overrated actor on an extremely overrated show


Ah, sorry that you feel that way. Maybe it is just my female side, but something about deeper-voice British Isles accents makes me happy. I can't wait to see him in Star Trek, even though I am not a Trekkie.

/each to their own :)
 
2013-03-29 08:33:24 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Alphax: American Decency Association: gadian: FunkOut: GungFu: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 798x538]

Yay, Dr. Who is brilliant!
You Johnny-Come-Latelys have it good...

Cardboard monsters packed with discount firecrackers...those were the days.

I'm particularly fond of the inflatable people eating chair.

Oh wow, my 1st dr who memory. Terrifying. You've no idea of the episode name?

I'm thinking it had the Autons, the Master, and the 3rd Doctor, but I don't recall the name.

Terror of the Autons.  Jon Pertwee.


thanks guys.  looks like it was a classic The Master episode too...
 
2013-03-29 10:14:30 PM
Alright, one more before close: martial arts not involving Pertwee!
 
2013-03-30 12:09:03 PM

TuteTibiImperes: RatMaster999: Missing from the list:  Every episode with Donna Noble.

God damn, but that harpy was annoying as fark.

She wasn't my favorite companion, but she had some good ones.  I believe the first Donna Noble episode (The Runaway Bride?) was very cool just from the music, I may be thinking of the wrong one, but it basically had a fully composed orchestral soundtrack running through the whole thing, I really liked that.


I didn't care if Donna lived or died before "Turn Left" - after that she grew on me.
As for the music, the Season 5 soundtrack is available and it's awesome.
 
2013-03-30 10:18:02 PM

PizzaJedi81: Yeeeeaaaaah, the Sun, firstly, isn't the most reputable source.


NeedlesslyCanadian: Because The Sun is known for its reliability,


Well, it was, in certain areas, before they were told to stop listening to everyone's voice mail.

Interesting aside: editors of The Sun's gossip column, Bizarre, who have ended up as overall editor of the paper include Dominic Mohan and Rebekah Brooks (nee Wade).

honesty, and all-around journalistic integrity.

You're asking a lot for an organ of News International.
 
2013-03-31 11:49:14 AM

Type40: t3knomanser: Same for the dude from "Sliders".

John Rhys Davies has been an extremely prolific actor for over 40 years, he was in two Indiana Jones Movies, at least one James Bond and Played Gimli in all Three Lord of the Rings movies. I'll thank you not to refer to him as "The dude from Sliders".


Okay, how about "Paladin from the Wing Commander games"?
 
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