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(CNBC)   New research shows that 29 percent of young people believe they'll be 25 or older before they're financially independent from their parents. In other words: Get off my lawn. My son has to pitch a tent and sleep there from now on   (cnbc.com) divider line 137
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2013-03-27 08:48:11 PM  
Wait, so you're telling me making workers financially responsible for their own vocational instead of providing it while simultaneously exporting all low-level jobs people used to be qualified for out of high school to foreign countries makes it harder to start one's career?

You don't say?
 
2013-03-27 09:29:19 PM  
25?

HA! They should be so lucky:

The percentage of Americans over 30 who have to move back in with their parents (or who never left) is growing steadily, despite the fact that they're healthier and more educated (and thus presumably more qualified for work) than ever:

www.ssdan.net
static1.businessinsider.com

Happily, they seem to love it.
 
2013-03-27 09:32:01 PM  

doglover: Wait, so you're telling me making workers financially responsible for their own vocational instead of providing it while simultaneously exporting all low-level jobs people used to be qualified for out of high school to foreign countries makes it harder to start one's career?

You don't say?


don't forget the higher cost of said vocational training and downsizing many jobs to contractor positions which don't have any benefits
 
2013-03-27 09:33:39 PM  

zedster: doglover: Wait, so you're telling me making workers financially responsible for their own vocational instead of providing it while simultaneously exporting all low-level jobs people used to be qualified for out of high school to foreign countries makes it harder to start one's career?

You don't say?

don't forget the higher cost of said vocational training and downsizing many jobs to contractor positions which don't have any benefits


But clearly the mighty job creators need lower taxes, bailouts, and a sizable legal protection from damage they do with dangerous products like GM crops.
 
2013-03-27 09:35:24 PM  

doglover: zedster: doglover: Wait, so you're telling me making workers financially responsible for their own vocational instead of providing it while simultaneously exporting all low-level jobs people used to be qualified for out of high school to foreign countries makes it harder to start one's career?

You don't say?

don't forget the higher cost of said vocational training and downsizing many jobs to contractor positions which don't have any benefits

But clearly the mighty job creators need lower taxes, bailouts, and a sizable legal protection from damage they do with dangerous products like GM crops.


Doglover, what the f**k don't you understand!?

Step 1: Tort Reform
Step 2: *Redacted*
Step 3: 'Meruica
 
2013-03-28 12:02:09 AM  
Yeah, good luck with that Jimmy. Things started going for shiat when it was time for the Gen Xers to move out, and they haven't been getting any better since.
 
2013-03-28 12:42:48 AM  
I had a disagreement with my parents regarding what hours I should be awake or asleep and whether my major was going to leave me with employment prospects so I moved out when I was 18 and never went back. There were some rough days but overall it was totally worth it.
 
2013-03-28 01:08:11 AM  

whistleridge: The percentage of Americans over 30 who have to move back in with their parents (or who never left) is growing steadily, despite the fact that they're healthier and more educated (and thus presumably more qualified for work) than ever:


"Qualified" doesn't mean jack sh*t if there aren't any jobs to be had. And I don't mean bullsh*t minimum wage crap, I mean jobs with prospects.
 
2013-03-28 01:16:34 AM  

Ghastly: Yeah, good luck with that Jimmy. Things started going for shiat when it was time for the Gen Xers to move out, and they haven't been getting any better since.


At least most of the Gen Xers moved out, even if they got a shiat end of the deal.  Now it's not even possible.
 
2013-03-28 06:54:30 AM  
27 year old here who doesn't make enough money to move out. Sure, at 18 Californian dollars per hour I can probably move into the projects, but this has put a huge damper on what I expected a civil engineering degree to be capable of.

/Currently applying to jobs in Canadia
//Did anyone else know that they have a 35 hour work week?
 
2013-03-28 06:55:58 AM  
Gotta lawl at these delusional twits. Their scholastic years spent in acquiescence to authority, mindlessly going media.tumblr.com  at every teacher and Principal's idiotic/despotic rules. All in the hope that in the end, they would be rewarded for their submissiveness with a diploma they can use to get a decent paying job, a nice house, and a happy family.


Boy, did they ever get hosed, and how!
 
2013-03-28 07:00:33 AM  

doglover: zedster: doglover: Wait, so you're telling me making workers financially responsible for their own vocational instead of providing it while simultaneously exporting all low-level jobs people used to be qualified for out of high school to foreign countries makes it harder to start one's career?

You don't say?

don't forget the higher cost of said vocational training and downsizing many jobs to contractor positions which don't have any benefits

But clearly the mighty job creators need lower taxes, bailouts, and a sizable legal protection from damage they do with dangerous products like GM crops.


Actually, GM crops are safer than non-GM crops.
 
2013-03-28 07:02:23 AM  

UltimaCS: /Currently applying to jobs in Canadia
//Did anyone else know that they have a 35 hour work week?


We also pay more in taxes.

/but the taxes come with a free frogurt
 
2013-03-28 07:03:04 AM  
Depending on the state you live in a parent might be required by law to support their child to that age.  Not ever state is the law 18 when parents can legal cut the strings and leave their kids to the own.  In Maine if the parents have enough money they are required by law to make sure their kid has food on the table and a roof over their head.  I am 34 and their have been times that I have had to see assistance for a city for rent because of medical stuff making me have to take time off form work.  If you are under 25 years old one of the 1st questions is do your parents make enough to pay this bill for you.  I heard plenty of people say yes but their parents wouldn't help.  It was fun to hear the caseworker on the phone explaining to the parent that the law said they had to help.
 
2013-03-28 07:03:29 AM  
I left home to study at a university, and although I had my scholarships and paid some of my own expenses, I'd have to accept that I was living on my parents' dime for those 4 years. But at 21 and graduated, I was out on my own. Paying back several hundred dollars a month to my parents as a "thank you" to them for supporting me those two decades I lived under their roof.

Have I had to go without sometimes? Sure. I've never owned a console game system. I only bought economy-sized cars. Eating out was a weekly thing, never a daily thing.

But it seems like people these days, living with their folks until the mid-30s just seems like a lot of laziness rather than lack of penny pinching. Even accounting for the terrible economy, which I will be the first to admit has forced a lot of people to run home to mommy and daddy, the outlook of students believing that it will take them 4-5 years after graduation from college before they are finally cutting the apron strings is pretty terrible. These kids aren't growing up with big dreams anymore. It's kind of sad that they've developed this attitude and will probably end up living the self-fulfillment of it.

Then again that's only a bit less than a third of all young people. There are still a majority that aren't destined to become hopeless leeches on their parents.
 
2013-03-28 07:04:27 AM  
And yet my middle schooler, who is failing mightily, thinks he's going to be a hip-hop mega-star.  Showing him articles like this is a futile effort, because the little genius can't read beyond a 3rd grade level.

Counting down the days until we can file emancipation papers, and kick him out, because he is undermining all the others around here, both older and younger.
 
2013-03-28 07:04:58 AM  

miss diminutive: UltimaCS: /Currently applying to jobs in Canadia
//Did anyone else know that they have a 35 hour work week?

We also pay more in taxes.

/but the taxes come with a free frogurt


Does it come in bags too?
 
2013-03-28 07:05:08 AM  

miss diminutive: We also pay more in taxes.

/but the taxes come with a free frogurt


And free health care...which I'm told is great as long as you're neither sick, nor elderly.

UltimaCS: //Did anyone else know that they have a 35 hour work week?


So it sucks that you can't afford to move out and you're intrigued by the opportunity to work less?  I think we might have gotten to the root cause of something here.
 
2013-03-28 07:10:30 AM  
Go into Computer Science. You'll be out of the house by 22.
 
2013-03-28 07:11:31 AM  

Next week's Tom Sawyer: Actually, GM crops are safer than non-GM crops.


Seriously?

When you troll a troll have have GOT to come correct. You bring your A game or you eat a whole bowl of dicks. You are not bringin' you A game, son. I hope you can do better.
 
2013-03-28 07:14:57 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Go into Computer Science. You'll be out of the house by 22.


Wait... I thought CS people were also being screwed over by the whole outsourcing trend.
 
2013-03-28 07:18:31 AM  
My sister is turning 30 and lives with my folks. I'm turning 32 and if everything goes downhill again I might move in too. Sh*t still f*cking sucks out there.
 
2013-03-28 07:23:30 AM  

jumac: Depending on the state you live in a parent might be required by law to support their child to that age.


I started college at 22 because I went into the Army first. I remember them saying you're not fully independent until 25 because of that law, unless you are a veteran. They kept trying to send my tuition bill to my parents and I kept yelling at them to stop because I was the one paying it.
 
2013-03-28 07:27:38 AM  

eiger: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Go into Computer Science. You'll be out of the house by 22.

Wait... I thought CS people were also being screwed over by the whole outsourcing trend.


That was mostly IT, and the trend is reversing.

I've been professoring CS for 15 years and the job market has never been better. All 22 of this year's graduating class (we have a relatively small department) have had jobs lined up, thanks to internships, for at least a year. And the phone rings many times a week with area companies asking, "Do you have anybody graduating this year who is looking for a job?"
 
2013-03-28 07:27:47 AM  
My mom keeps on trying to move in with me. You guys should count yourself lucky.

/25
 
2013-03-28 07:28:52 AM  
23 and financially independent. Got a CS degree
 
2013-03-28 07:29:21 AM  
The democrats have had over 4 years to fix this.
 
2013-03-28 07:31:08 AM  

doglover: When you troll a troll have have GOT to come correct. You bring your A game or you eat a whole bowl of dicks. You are not bringin' you A game, son. I hope you can do better.


Someone else is not on their A game today...

Got your dick fork?
 
2013-03-28 07:31:57 AM  

eiger: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Go into Computer Science. You'll be out of the house by 22.

Wait... I thought CS people were also being screwed over by the whole outsourcing trend.


I was trying to go CS in the 90's.. seemed like a moving mirage.  More school, more degrees, more certifications.. and no job offered to pay for all that.
 
2013-03-28 07:32:57 AM  
My parents gave me the generous, then tough love.

2 years all expenses paid trip to college (less the merit scholarships I earned).  After that, you're on your own.  And they turned my bedroom into their home office as a subtle expression of how I'd not be allowed back home after that.
 
2013-03-28 07:33:23 AM  

naptapper: The democrats have had over 4 years to fix this.


That`s like being pushed off a cliff and being told "You have 5 seconds to sort this out".

Not possible from the starting position in the timeframe...

It`s a great plan really, mess the economy so bad that it can`t be fixed in 8 years then blame the other side...
 
2013-03-28 07:33:35 AM  

Alphax: I was trying to go CS in the 90's.. seemed like a moving mirage.  More school, more degrees, more certifications.. and no job offered to pay for all that.


As much as I hate those smelly jerks, it is a growing field. Government is actually the way I'd go. The FBI, CIA and any cyber security companies are hiring like f*cking crazy for skilled computer people.
 
2013-03-28 07:34:07 AM  
I moved out when I was 18.  Was horribly poor, eventually started my own business and stopped being poor. Then last year at the age of 27 while I was recovering from surgery my business partner looted the company dry, stole all my tools equipment etc, even the godamn furniture, and skipped town.

So now im poor again, and had to move the wife and kid in with my folks.  Trying to get business started again but capitalism sure sucks when you dont have capital.  I need to get some kind of job to supplement my income at the moment, but it just seems stupid to work a job thats going to pay you in a week what you make in an hour or two working for yourself.

Just glad I have parents to fall back on, if I had to take a job and pay my family livngi expenses, I would only make enough to barely stay afloat... id never be able to put together enough money to dig myself out of that hole to be able to run my own business again.
 
2013-03-28 07:37:13 AM  

Mose: My parents gave me the generous, then tough love.

2 years all expenses paid trip to college (less the merit scholarships I earned).  After that, you're on your own.  And they turned my bedroom into their home office as a subtle expression of how I'd not be allowed back home after that.


hehe we did that. She moved out because she couldn`t stand draconian rules like `don`t have *every single* plate, cup, and spoon in your bedroom covered in mould` so we turned her bedroom into an office...

(Obviously after many many years of music lessons, being driven everywhere, college etc)

Now she is happy, living with jeff, in their own home at 21. Sorted.
 
2013-03-28 07:37:16 AM  
We've only given trickle-down 30 years to work! Give it at least another, say, 30 years of record corporate profits and cash reserves and there's no DOUBT jobs will come!
 
2013-03-28 07:37:43 AM  

naptapper: The democrats have had over 4 years to fix this.


Wow. Pretty early in the morning to be taking such powerful drugs, isn't it?
 
2013-03-28 07:37:54 AM  
Neighbor's son is still living at home. He's 54.
 
2013-03-28 07:38:26 AM  

Alonjar: if I had to take a job and pay my family livngi expenses


Is that some form of yoga?

j/k
 
2013-03-28 07:40:45 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We've only given trickle-down 30 years to work! Give it at least another, say, 30 years of record corporate profits and cash reserves and there's no DOUBT jobs will come!


thisfragiletent.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-28 07:41:22 AM  
There may be an unnoticed phenomenon here - people in their thirties moving home because their parents need help. I have a friend who moved home partially because his parents REALLY needed someone around. He's not particularly happy about it, and neither are they, but when his dad fell down twice in one day a couple of weeks ago, everyone started to make peace with it.
 
2013-03-28 07:42:58 AM  

BikerRay: Neighbor's son is still living at home. He's 54.


My uncle lived at home until he died, at like 55
 
2013-03-28 07:43:26 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Alphax: I was trying to go CS in the 90's.. seemed like a moving mirage.  More school, more degrees, more certifications.. and no job offered to pay for all that.

As much as I hate those smelly jerks, it is a growing field. Government is actually the way I'd go. The FBI, CIA and any cyber security companies are hiring like f*cking crazy for skilled computer people.


Or like someone I used to know, do a 9 week online COBOL course then program banks current accounts for decades...
 
2013-03-28 07:45:17 AM  
Trickle up sure seems to work, economy is doing so well right now....

Liberals, morons since forever. Get used to living with your parents. You will never be independent because of who you elect.
 
2013-03-28 07:46:21 AM  
i guess i am ahead of the curve.  i moved out when i was 24, hurray!  i went to college (english and philosophy degree, don't laugh) and had to move back in for about 2 years while i was working my crappy job and trying to figure out how cheaply i could afford to live.  there was no way in hell i was going to live with my parents any longer than i absolutely had to.  don't get me wrong, i get along with my parents just fine, but being stuck living in the same house was just about driving me insane.  i hated living there when i was in high school.  my brothers are the exact same way, they moved out as soon as they could afford to, even though my parents are pretty cool and were fine with us living there.  even my dimwit youngest brother who makes like 8 bucks an hour managed to move out by the time he was 25 or so.
 
2013-03-28 07:46:53 AM  

doglover: Next week's Tom Sawyer: Actually, GM crops are safer than non-GM crops.

Seriously?

When you troll a troll have have GOT to come correct. You bring your A game or you eat a whole bowl of dicks. You are not bringin' you A game, son. I hope you can do better.


Yeah he must be a troll with his assertion that works off of existing biochemical mechanisms.  The entire scientific and academic establishment must be in on a conspiracy to piss on soccer moms' eating habits.  Anti-GMO rhetoric is simply Anti-Africa.  I don't give a fark about the political, patent, or other legal issues.  The fact is that the convergence of evidence has always shown such a minimal (and still theoretical) risk to artificial selection of specific genes.   Seriously.
 
2013-03-28 07:48:17 AM  

dready zim: naptapper: The democrats have had over 4 years to fix this.

That`s like being pushed off a cliff and being told "You have 5 seconds to sort this out".

Not possible from the starting position in the timeframe...

It`s a great plan really, mess the economy so bad that it can`t be fixed in 8 years then blame the other side...


Democrats would rather use issues than solve them.
 
2013-03-28 07:49:22 AM  

enderthexenocide: i guess i am ahead of the curve.  i moved out when i was 24, hurray!  i went to college (english and philosophy degree, don't laugh) and had to move back in for about 2 years while i was working my crappy job and trying to figure out how cheaply i could afford to live.  there was no way in hell i was going to live with my parents any longer than i absolutely had to.  don't get me wrong, i get along with my parents just fine, but being stuck living in the same house was just about driving me insane.  i hated living there when i was in high school.  my brothers are the exact same way, they moved out as soon as they could afford to, even though my parents are pretty cool and were fine with us living there.  even my dimwit youngest brother who makes like 8 bucks an hour managed to move out by the time he was 25 or so.


Ayup
 
2013-03-28 07:49:49 AM  
Find a better job..I made 65k last year at a call center..there I work out there. I never went to college either
 
2013-03-28 07:53:39 AM  

stirfrybry: Democrats would rather use issues than solve them.


Why would they want independence for people when they trade on dependence?
 
2013-03-28 07:55:30 AM  

The Muthaship: stirfrybry: Democrats would rather use issues than solve them.

Why would they want independence for people when they trade on dependence?


What is it with the American Right, that being factually accurate is just impossible for them?
 
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