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(Yahoo)   The FBI would like to clarify that the recently discovered memo sent to Hoover in 1950 which stated that three flying saucers with pilots inside crashed near Roswell NM, in no way means that flying saucers crashed near Roswell NM, no sir, no how   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 275
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2013-03-27 09:32:33 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I have a couple easy tests to help me discern whether the person I'm talking to is a bonafide crack-pot or not.  First, I ask them if they think aliens landed at Roswell.  If they say yes, I walk away.  If they say no, I ask them if they believe George W. Bush conspired with the federal government to blow up the World Trade Center so he'd have an excuse to invade Iraq and avenge his daddy issues.  If they say yes, I away.

That tells me what kind of bonafide crack-pot I was working with.  Your garden variety nutter or your criminally insane nutter.


How about the nutter who points out that Bush's administration fought to avoid an investigation of 9-11? Or the nutter who quotes PNAC about a new Pearl Harbor? How much actual evidence of dubiousness are you willing to throw out in the name of Holy SkepticismTM?

/Would Barack Obama have been given a pass if he had been president and co-investor with the Bin Laden family after 9-11? If your answer is "yes", you are either a.lying or b.have never heard of Bill Ayers.
 
2013-03-27 09:33:47 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: You guys haven't heard of Wally Wallington have you?


From Walla Walla, WA?
 
2013-03-27 09:35:46 PM  

Nem Wan: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.

I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf

In the movie, the SECDEF who was a former DCI who had deliberately withheld this information from the POTUS was fired as soon as the POTUS found it convenient in the midst of the crisis.

Will Smith actually enunciates "Earth" perfectly.


At the beginning of the movie, Will Smith says "earfquake".
 
2013-03-27 09:37:17 PM  
The stupidest officer in the entire history of the U.S. Military had the brilliant idea that suggesting that the classified target was actually a crashed spaceship would divert the attention of the Newspapers.

Brilliant.
 
2013-03-27 09:37:19 PM  

darth_badger: ferretman: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
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Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!

But the Coke tasted funny in China. They'll never get that right.


That's because they play joke.  Don't buy pop out of the vending machines at the Pei-Pei Institute, and when you go into a restaurant, avoid the Pu-Pu Platter.
 
2013-03-27 09:37:33 PM  

xanadian:


Flashlight!...
Streetlight!...

/get funky funky people
 
2013-03-27 09:41:55 PM  

uncleacid: I miss the Weekly World News.


ZOMG this

grocery lines aren't nearly as fun anymore.
actually now they're no fun at all
 
2013-03-27 09:44:40 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.


Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.
 
2013-03-27 09:50:05 PM  
Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?  Some UFO reports have the things floating above a city for minutes--long enough for any professional photographers to run in their studio, grab a large-format camera, attach a zoom lens, and get a damn sharp image already.  And with all the powerful digital cameras out there, why the blurry photos of objects that look like some hubcap flung in the air?

I think I know the obvious answer:  the Bavarian Illuminati, along with the reverse vampires, created a magical ray that blurs photos of UFOs.  SOLVED!
 
2013-03-27 09:52:01 PM  

Ghastly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.


They wore "sanitized" uniforms constructed to resemble earth flight suits if partially destroyed or dismembered- true in every way but scale.

/not serious
 
2013-03-27 09:53:07 PM  

untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.


lol wut?
 
2013-03-27 09:55:13 PM  

vabeard: At the beginning of the movie, Will Smith says "earfquake".


You mean when he's half asleep?
 
2013-03-27 10:02:19 PM  

untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.


Care to provide a link to whatever expert or institute actually proclaimed the pyramids to be within 1" of square?  I call BS on that 'fact'...

When I was a clerk in a local courthouse, I saw a very thick book commissioned by the Transcendental Meditation folks that was chock full of very, very sophisticated statistical analysis 'proving' beyond doubt that TM actually causes crime to go down in a city where the TMers are meditating.  Basically the same pretentious-sounding quasi-scientific bullshiat that some Cretinist institutes use to 'prove' beyond a doubt that Adam 'n' Eve were romping around the Garden of Eden with dinosaurs.  And then there's Charles "Not the Language Person" Berlitz's book on the Bermuda Triangle that scared the crap out of me when I was a kid--at least until I read a book debunking Berlitz's book and showing all the fabricated nonsense in it.

It's like I've developed some sort of sixth sense, some sort of ESP that tells me I'm dealing with pseudo-scientific BS--I think that ESP was given to me during an anal probe by the mutant zombie vampires of Uranus...

/heh, heh, I said 'Uranus', heh, heh...
 
2013-03-27 10:03:18 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?


img546.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-27 10:04:48 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?


a large hollowed out asteroid, with a large ice cap at one end
 
2013-03-27 10:07:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: untaken_name:

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Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".


Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"


Um, yeah, about those Egyptian gods. I saw that documentary series. The Egyptian art was highly stylized with odd perspectives; any textbook on art appreciation explains the conventions. The representation of Anubis, Apophis and the other aliens aren't meant to be photorealistic but symbolic. In this case, a warning that resonates with humanity that says "Danger, these are not humans nor gods, they are monsters." The form of aliens is rooted deep within the human psyche, like the form of snakes and spiders. Many people look at a spider move or a snake slither and are irrationally freaked out. Similarly, this appearance of aliens is freaky and that is intentional. They come clad as men, but their essence is like nothing we can relate to. The Egyptians crafted the perfect image, one that we respond to on a visceral level, when they crafted this image.

That visceral response can go either way, however. Some people look at it and know fear, others look at it and are enraptured. Which is probably the same ambivalence the Egyptians themselves felt about their enslavers.

/can I get a job with the History Channel now?
//always seem to catch Pawn Stars, never seen the alien shows
 
2013-03-27 10:13:34 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.

lol wut?


He's right, you know. All the planning charts for that pyramid have been on display at the local planning
department in Alpha Centauri for years if you'd bothered to check.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:16 PM  

Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?


Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:37 PM  

More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?


The chances are astronomical, but so is the universe?
 
2013-03-27 10:22:52 PM  

Gig103: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

What movie did they say that in? ID4? MiB?  I remember hearing that and laughing at the thought that the Commander in Chief wouldn't have a high enough clearance for ANYTHING.


It wasnt that he didnt have clearance for it.  It was plausible deniability.

Just because you are TS+, doesnt mean you have access to all TS+ stuff.
Barry doesn't need to know.
 
2013-03-27 10:23:58 PM  
reimanr06

Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?

Technically yes, he could do so with a sealed executive order(similar to Jimmy Carter's executive order prohibiting assassination of foreign heads of state but kept quiet), however the future president would have equal power to override said order. Like in ID4 anyone caught knowingly preventing the current president from knowing something he had a need to would likely be done for even with that justification.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:04 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.


So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:34 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.


Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?  That's like driving to Sao Paulo to play doorbell ditch on somebody, then driving back.  If I flew zillions of miles to visit an alien planet, I'd want a really, really big press conference, maybe my picture on People Magazine, and at least a snow globe with the Eiffel Tower in it.

Also, consider this:  the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body.  In other words, like a human baby with green skin.  The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.  Loch Ness monsters, Bigfoot (Bigfeet?), space aliens, and others tend to be the products of people with limited imaginations.  If real extra-terrestrials did visit us some day, they'd be so far from resembling ET that we might not even recognize them as life forms...
 
2013-03-27 10:29:29 PM  
Oops, I got 'succubus' wrong.  They're actually demonic women who had sex with men who otherwise couldn't get laid (i.e. 16th century Farkers)...
 
2013-03-27 10:32:45 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?

Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


So your saying I still have a chance? getting a hummer from Scarlett, I mean...  *happy dance*
 
2013-03-27 10:46:53 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.


There's an excellent book called Red Eagles that is an account of what we did with the captured migs, and the people that flew them.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:39 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-27 11:08:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Occam's razor cuts both ways.


My gf probably used it to shave her legs again.
 
2013-03-27 11:09:25 PM  

BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.


Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.

Psycat: Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?


Right now some animals might be wondering the same thing about our scientists. To them, land dwelling creatures venturing halfway around the world, into the middle of the ocean, just to see them, is highly improbable. They don't know about SCUBA gear and airplane and boat travel. Just like we wouldn't know much about races which are much more advanced than us. I think for a lot of people that might be the hardest thing to accept: that we might be to other races what primitive animals are to us.

Psycat: Also, consider this: the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body. In other words, like a human baby with green skin. The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.


Different cultures just interpret it differently, maybe filling in blanks with a little creative license. Before we knew about mechanized flight and cosmology, the UFOs and their occupants were gods from the heavens.

And not all are humanoid. The ones who appear most interested in us are humanoid, though, but maybe that's because we're related somehow. Our unusually fast evolution compared to any other species, and all the giant leaps and anomalies, could indicate genetic tinkering. Maybe they're just keeping tabs on their project.
 
2013-03-27 11:23:33 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.

Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.

Psycat: Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?

Right now some animals might be wondering the same thing about our scientists. To them, land dwelling creatures venturing halfway around the world, into the middle of the ocean, just to see them, is highly improbable. They don't know about SCUBA gear and airplane and boat travel. Just like we wouldn't know much about races which are much more advanced than us. I think for a lot of people that might be the hardest thing to accept: that we might be to other races what primitive animals are to us.

Psycat: Also, consider this: the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body. In other words, like a human baby with green skin. The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.

Different cultures just interpret it differently, maybe filling in blanks with a little creative license. Before we knew about mechanized flight and cosmology, the UFOs and their occupants were gods from the heavens.

And not all are humanoid. The ones who appear most interested in us are humanoid, though, but maybe that's because we're related somehow. Our unusually fast evolution compared to any other species, and all the ...


What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.  If even one faith healer would just go on network TV already and cure a dozen amputees, that would pretty much settle the issue, but nobody will farking do it already.  Instead, they just keep spewing out conspiracy theories, bizarro rationalizations, and play the tired "thou shallt not test thy God" cop-out ad nauseum.  Vague claims of questionable healings in remote villages don't count as zero evidence in my book--they could as negative evidence because it just confirms my suspicions that it's all just made-up bullshiat.

In other words, JUST SHOW ME ONE GODDAM ALIEN OR ONE SHARP PHOTOGRAPH OF AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ALREADY, or just quit wasting the time of other people.  Is that so farking hard to do?

That's the thing about crackpots in general; the less evidence they have, the more firmly committed to their theories they become.  As they spiral downward into schizophrenia, they develop a more profound Us vs. Them mentality.   Ever visit the Timecube Guy's website?  Maybe 10% of it is devoted to explaining his absurd theory; the other 90% is devoted to him condemning the 99% of the world who don't accept his silly nonsense.

And, no, I'm not hopelessly prejudiced.  I'm very empirical and if somebody, anybody actually backed up their claims with something tangible, I'd accept that I'm dealing with something outside the usual reality.  While I'm not prejudiced, I am tired at all the bullshiat rationalizations and sheer stupidity that takes the place of real hardcore empirical evidence.  Good thing I'm not the Metaphysics Czar of the United States--if somebody claimed to be able to levitate, I'd be tempted to point a gun at his head and threaten "levitate or die"...
 
2013-03-27 11:27:57 PM  

Psycat: What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.


It's only elusive to you.

I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had. Any subtlety you may be sensing is just just me trying to be gentle around people who are prone to denial rages and name calling. I often do the same thing when talking to religious people about the possibility there may be no god.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:41 PM  
I guess J. Edgar Hoover was too busy trying on womens clothes to investigate.

Hot like J. Edgar's panties.
www.loc.gov
 
2013-03-27 11:41:38 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.

It's only elusive to you.

I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had. Any subtlety you may be sensing is just just me trying to be gentle around people who are prone to denial rages and name calling. I often do the same thing when talking to religious people about the possibility there may be no god.


Yes, it is elusive to me, because I'm sane.  Bigfoot is also elusive to me and so is other silly nonsense.  Just as having a rational viewpoint of the world completely eludes you.

Denial rage?  How about "tired of dealing with schizophrenic morons rage" instead.  Not so much rage as a mild frustration at dealing with idiots.  Usually, I'm just bemused from a distance; it's only when I make the futile effort to try and get somebody to use their brain is when I feel a hint of frustration.  BTW, how about "can't force your stupid beliefs on sane people" rage?  I'll bet you never feel that.  (Hint: I'm being ironic.)

BTW, you know the frustration you have when dealing with people who believe in a god?  That's the exact same frustration I have dealing with UFO kooks and conspiracy nuts in general.  Your UFOs are just a silly substitute for some bearded old Jehovah and you're just as whacked out as any fundie.  And when people point out how silly you are, you probably never consider they might be right; you write it off as 'denial rage' or some other nonsense.  Whatever, klaatu barada niktu, dude...
 
2013-03-27 11:46:06 PM  

Psycat: J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.

Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?  That's like driving to Sao Paulo to play doorbell ditch on somebody, then driving back.  If I flew zillions of miles to visit an alien planet, I'd want a really, really big press conference, maybe my picture on People Magazine, and at least a snow globe with the Eiffel Tower in it.

Also, consider this:  the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body.  In other words, like a human baby with green skin.  The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.  Loch Ness monsters, Bigfoot (Bigfeet?), space aliens, and others tend to be the products of people with limited imaginations.  If real extra-terrestrials did visit us some day, they'd be so far from resembling ET that we might not even recognize them as life forms...


Well I travel to Sao Paulo just to give someone a anal probe all the time.
 
2013-03-27 11:47:44 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Just because you are TS+, doesnt mean you have access to all TS+ stuff.
Barry doesn't need to know.


You know how I know you've got no farking idea what you're talking about?

Yeah, for Joe Schmuck the Analyst or Jimmy Smith the Agent, their TS/SCI is not an all-access pass, it's limited to the compartments their job requires.  However, when the POTUS, or somebody working directly on his behalf like one of his military aides comes up to you and requests information, you don't get to hold it back.  Try reading Executive Order 13256, Section 4.3 paragraph 5.  The National Security Adviser, as appointed by POTUS, has the explicit authority to review any classified program or material in existence in the US, and report that information back to the President.

You wanna tell the POTUS he can't know?  Yeah, you'll just be breaking the National Security Act of 1947, at LEAST 2 Executive Orders, and depending on who you are in the government a string of either DoD or DNI directives and orders.

Who is the OCA for that classified information you are withholding?  Original Classification Authorities for TS/SCI material is a pretty short list, and every one of those is delegated from the POTUS.  There is no legal authority to withhold any classified information from the POTUS if he asks.  You going to argue "Need to Know" to somebody who could issue an Executive Order on the spot saying he has Need to Know?

What could conceivably be beyond the "need to know" of the person who is ultimately accountable for the entire Executive Branch (i.e. almost the entire bureaucracy aside from Federal courts and the Congress and a tiny handful of Congressional entities like the CBO and the LoC)?  The man who is ultimately responsible for all law enforcement, diplomacy, defense and intelligence functions by definition possesses need-to-know over a lot of things.

BTW, if you're in uniform, try calling him "Barry" when you're denying it too, just to ensure your failure is complete.
 
2013-03-27 11:48:07 PM  

Lord Farkwad: I guess J. Edgar Hoover was too busy trying on womens clothes to investigate.

Hot like J. Edgar's panties.
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I remember a story about why LBJ decided to keep J. Edgar Booger in as head of the FBI instead of booting his panty-covered ass out of the organization.  His rationale was something like, "I'd rather have in in the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in" or something like that.  BTW, I don't think I'll ever get that cartoon image of J. Edgar in fishnet stockings out of my head :)
 
2013-03-27 11:53:43 PM  

Oldiron_79: Well I travel to Sao Paulo just to give someone a anal probe all the time.


Just so it isn't J. Edgar Hoover in drag...
 
2013-03-28 12:27:10 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.

Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.


Do you know what I have or have not done?  Please list what I have and have not researched.
 
2013-03-28 12:32:53 AM  

ddam: gweilo8888:
FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..


 However, the chances are that the "aliens" weren't saddled with stories of a sociopath for a god and his son didn't walk on water and thus didn't go through dark ages for 1000 years. They probably didn't have an economic system as flawed as capitalism for as long as we've had it and actually used the advancement in techonology to pursue scientific advances instead of short term profits.

If you put that in your equation I think you'll find that we have aliens living amongs us right now.


You sound bitter.
 
2013-03-28 12:37:42 AM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?


I can think of a couple of scenarios, but if I told you them I'd then have to kill you.

/Actually, that's a hint.
//Another hint: Given that there would be some necessary similarities between sentient alpha-predator species, do you think that alien psychology, perspectives, agendas and political behavior would necessarily be different from our own?
///You should be able to figure it out from there....
 
2013-03-28 12:49:59 AM  
Wow, I just got finished perusing the Time Cube Guy's website .  You'd have to be from Alpha Centauri and high on B*Lurgg (a million times more powerful than LSD) to make sense of that nonsense.  I think Gene Ray must be an extra-terrestrial because even earthly schizophrenics couldn't understand his profound theory...
 
2013-03-28 01:02:51 AM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


I was thinking about this earlier, how do reentry vehicles, (like the moonshot capsule things) manage to stay oriented when the "plowing" end seems like it could easily tumble?

/curiousity.
 
2013-03-28 01:12:58 AM  
Huh, ~250 posts and no, "Aliens are human time-travelers from the future," yet?
 
2013-03-28 01:17:32 AM  
They must have done the math and decided this would render enough people useless.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:21 AM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


I know! It's almost as astronomical as the odds against our own existence, everyone knows there's only one astronomic per astronomical
 
2013-03-28 04:52:57 AM  
All this alien talk makes me miss J.T.Walsh.

/MJ12 knows the truth.
 
2013-03-28 05:17:28 AM  
So... what if I've seen a UFO?  The same sort thousands of others have seen?  No, not a flying saucer (haha, flying saucer, who believes in such nonsense) - but a Flying Triangle!

No... really.  Those who have never heard of them, Google the thing.  Pretty simple.  I've seen one - watched it for minutes.  Silent, hovering, black triangle, with a white light in each corner (not red lights, as many see); if it was a human plane low enough to look that big, then I'd see it fly past me in 15 seconds; if it was high enough to appear to move so slow, I doubt it would be in our atmosphere anymore, and ... it wouldn't suddenly disappear, either.  Yep, the thing totally vanished in an instant.  My cell phone in 2003 was a cheapo without a camera, not that I could have taken a decent picture back then anyway.  Was the middle of nowhere in South Carolina.  I'd just joined the military, and at that time in my life, I told myself it was just something military that they hid from the public.  I was naive back then... I didn't realize how incompetent and technically backwards the military was, and I hadn't realized how advanced the technology to hover such a craft must be.  Took me years to become the crazy tin-foil hat wearing nutter I am today, in that I conclude such a craft couldn't possibly have been human.

I have trouble even wording this seriously, because society makes me want to laugh at it... but I am totally serious.  I'm a sort of a smart guy, with experience in engineering, and I've no doubt that I've seen an Unidentified Flying Object of extra-terrestrial origin. 

/seriously.
//report I typed up years ago:  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/057/S57822.html    - even has a link to a Fark thread involving these things...
 
2013-03-28 05:20:14 AM  
Sorry, nevermind, that link doesn't have a link to the Fark thread, but an astute searcher for the news article would surely find it... better than I just tried to.
 
2013-03-28 06:04:54 AM  

nymersic: Sorry, nevermind, that link doesn't have a link to the Fark thread, but an astute searcher for the news article would surely find it... better than I just tried to.


Cool and brave, now green, wish more people were like you
 
2013-03-28 06:11:31 AM  

TheBigJerk: Huh, ~250 posts and no, "Aliens are human time-travelers from the future," yet?


Or from inner Earth. Where we keep the high tech gear from previous advanced civilizations.
 
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