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(Yahoo)   The FBI would like to clarify that the recently discovered memo sent to Hoover in 1950 which stated that three flying saucers with pilots inside crashed near Roswell NM, in no way means that flying saucers crashed near Roswell NM, no sir, no how   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2013-03-27 04:05:09 PM  
Just go about your business citizen. Nothing to see here.

You don't want to believe.

It's a streetlight.
 
2013-03-27 04:23:11 PM  
Hoover's reply:  "Create NASA and tell them to get off their fannies!!"
 
2013-03-27 04:26:22 PM  
So "Transformers" was a documentary?
 
2013-03-27 04:28:16 PM  
The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents-the request of the Air Force-verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it

Or, that's when they learned whatever it was that they learned that made them so adamant about covering the aliens up.
 
2013-03-27 04:28:48 PM  
So let me get this straight.  A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah.  Totally believable.  By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year?  All of them?
 
2013-03-27 04:30:27 PM  
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forgetomori.com
 
2013-03-27 04:35:03 PM  
I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.
 
2013-03-27 04:39:42 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
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Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!
 
2013-03-27 04:41:22 PM  

PainInTheASP: So let me get this straight.  A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah.  Totally believable.  By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year?  All of them?


IDK, he never replied to mine.
 
2013-03-27 04:42:11 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Roswell happened (supposedly) in 1947...before Hollywood's UFO versions.
 
2013-03-27 04:42:11 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


They've been drip fed Paul's picture for the last 60 plus years so people wouldn't freak out.

I have to watch that movie again tonight.
 
2013-03-27 04:58:50 PM  
nature abhors a vacuum.
 
2013-03-27 04:59:59 PM  
I'm playing XCOM on Ironman mode, so I'm getting a plasma blast from these replies...
 
2013-03-27 05:00:25 PM  

moos: nature abhors a vacuum.


so does my wife.
so does my wife.
 
2013-03-27 05:01:15 PM  

moos: nature abhors a vacuum.


I hate this saying
Almost all of nature IS vacuum
 
2013-03-27 05:01:43 PM  

ferretman: Roswell happened (supposedly) in 1947...before Hollywood's UFO versions.


And the term Flying Saucer pretty much made Hollywood pin it on the nose for looks.  It wasn't til like the 70s/80s with shows like BSG and Hitchhiker's did Saucers go away and turn into ships.
 
2013-03-27 05:02:23 PM  

ferretman: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
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Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!


the not so subtle part of the propaganda of "Fear the chinese" via scary alien ufo films is astounding.
 
2013-03-27 05:03:12 PM  

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2013-03-27 05:03:24 PM  
The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.
 
2013-03-27 05:03:43 PM  
Combine this with that alien autopsy video and you get like, something.
 
2013-03-27 05:04:31 PM  
If It was anything; it was probably a test plane.

/ flown by migets
 
2013-03-27 05:04:31 PM  
I like the Weeners:

I'd rather see the UFOs memo on the FBI.
 
2013-03-27 05:04:44 PM  
forgetomori.com

This is what the alien looked like when Hoover buggered him.
 
2013-03-27 05:04:56 PM  
Anybody who expects anything from government agencies besides a hard way to go, malarkey and a bill hasn't been paying attention.
 
2013-03-27 05:05:18 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


Unless God decided to put them there.  Having placed us upon the Earth, it would have been easy for Him to place them nearby.
 
2013-03-27 05:05:20 PM  
Wait, wasn't the most recent theory that the russians had developed the craft, and put some misshapen kids in to mess with the yankee pig dogs?
 
2013-03-27 05:05:21 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide.  Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name
//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.
 
2013-03-27 05:06:29 PM  

ferretman: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!


But the Coke tasted funny in China. They'll never get that right.
 
2013-03-27 05:06:38 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.



It's still real to me, damn it!

*Sniff*
 
2013-03-27 05:06:57 PM  

PainInTheASP: So let me get this straight.  A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah.  Totally believable.  By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year?  All of them?


Yes, actually. Hoover was a famous micro-manager, and the FBI was much smaller back then. His correspondence with field office directors and even individual agents was ENORMOUS. And this memo to him is from the Special Agent in Charge in DC, based on a report from a redacted informant to a redacted special agent (probably in New Mexico). It's probably the last one before Hoover said, "OK, these are all bullshiat; stop sending me UFO reports."

You can find gigantic piles in the archives of field reports about erroneous crap that informers told the FBI, which had no basis in reality. Like this one from some loony claiming that an unnamed Air Force investigator had told him about a UFO crash. RTFM; you can click on it and zoom in to make it readable.

Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.
 
2013-03-27 05:07:25 PM  
Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.
 
2013-03-27 05:11:29 PM  
I saw this on Fox News in the 50s.

Whenever the White House wants to distract the Press, they release a UFO. For example, Obama shooting a shotgun, but holding it the wrong way and pointing it in the wrong direction. The crazies pick that shiat up and run with it, totally missing any real news.

Don't try to tell anyone FN is run by a Brit, either. That's not a UFO, it's just crazy.
 
2013-03-27 05:11:38 PM  
My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.
 
2013-03-27 05:11:52 PM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.


Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.
 
2013-03-27 05:12:03 PM  
Joe Rogan says there's governemnt documents that say the wreckage was flown in two separate planes to Ohio or indiana or some shiat, and then I think he also claims that there's other doceumtns saying that at the same time, President Eisenhower or whomever was the Parzadent at the time was flown there that same day.   GET OUT YOUR TINFOIL HATS ZOMG
 
2013-03-27 05:12:20 PM  
Great. I clicked on the link which took me to the FBI archive page. Now I'm officially on the government's "whack jobs list".
 
2013-03-27 05:12:40 PM  

darth_badger: Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!

But the Coke tasted funny in China. They'll never get that right.


Me Chinese.
Me play joke.
 
2013-03-27 05:12:47 PM  
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2013-03-27 05:13:16 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-03-27 05:13:20 PM  

mbillips: PainInTheASP: So let me get this straight.  A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah.  Totally believable.  By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year?  All of them?

Yes, actually. Hoover was a famous micro-manager, and the FBI was much smaller back then. His correspondence with field office directors and even individual agents was ENORMOUS. And this memo to him is from the Special Agent in Charge in DC, based on a report from a redacted informant to a redacted special agent (probably in New Mexico). It's probably the last one before Hoover said, "OK, these are all bullshiat; stop sending me UFO reports."

You can find gigantic piles in the archives of field reports about erroneous crap that informers told the FBI, which had no basis in reality. Like this one from some loony claiming that an unnamed Air Force investigator had told him about a UFO crash. RTFM; you can click on it and zoom in to make it readable.

Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.


Oh there you go bringing sensibility into this. WE'LL HAVE NONE OF THAT, MISTER.

But seriously.  Chemtrails.
 
2013-03-27 05:13:42 PM  

Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!
 
2013-03-27 05:14:24 PM  

serial_crusher: The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents-the request of the Air Force-verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it

Or, that's when they learned whatever it was that they learned that made them so adamant about covering the aliens up.


They learned that nothing is uglier than a naked alien. You'd cover them up too.
 
2013-03-27 05:15:51 PM  
I miss the Weekly World News.
 
2013-03-27 05:16:32 PM  
Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!
 
2013-03-27 05:17:10 PM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


You sayin' you got a bluff body...?
 
2013-03-27 05:17:51 PM  

LordJiro: Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.


Oh. I thought it was "people are picnicky". Yours makes more sense.
 
2013-03-27 05:18:20 PM  

LordJiro: Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.


Yeah, I spose.

I would love for this to be true but I'm too skeptical to believe it. I will say that my brother in law used to work as an MP at Groom Lake AFB and he sort of grins when I asked about that but he DID say there was technology in there that he considered more advanced than the general public would be comfortable with so it hasn't been "unveiled" yet.

I've always taken this to mean things like military drones or bio weapons or surveillance tech, but he still refuses to talk about it to anyone due to clearance concerns or whatever. Most likely he's just pulling my leg but it's fun to daydream about.

/I always liked the Philadelphia Experiment rumors
 
2013-03-27 05:18:55 PM  
didn't think enough people saw this story on the geek tab subby?
 
2013-03-27 05:19:02 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]



I have pictures too!!

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2013-03-27 05:21:17 PM  

cartmans_evil_twin: I like the Weeners:

I'd rather see the UFOs memo on the FBI.


Hmm, I think you just got owned by the Weeners pwn.
 
2013-03-27 05:21:36 PM  
mbillips:
Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.

To be fair it's how conspiracy theories work.
 
2013-03-27 05:22:13 PM  
Well I learned that the 'high-powered radar' theory of the Roswell crash goes back at least to 1950.

Other than that, there's nothing of interest here. Just same old same old stories.
 
2013-03-27 05:24:05 PM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!



www.extremetech.com
 
2013-03-27 05:24:29 PM  

The_Sponge: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


It's still real to me, damn it!

*Sniff*


i.imgur.com

Also...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-27 05:25:07 PM  

professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]


That's just the Astrodome's Rhumba.
 
2013-03-27 05:25:07 PM  
Hey, if anyone wants to start a political party based on disbelief in conspiracy theories, count me in. I'm pretty tolerant about most opinions all across the left-right, libertarian-communitarian spectrum (I may disagree with you, but I respect your right to conceive and hold your opinion), but farking tinfoil hatters make me want to bite somebody.

Our arch-foes are Truthers, Birthers, all Glenn Beck and Alex Jones fans, and that biatch Jenny McCarthy. Our main platform is to ensure that nothing they want ever gets included in legislation or executive action.
 
2013-03-27 05:26:11 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]

That's just the Astrodome's Rhumba.


Er, Roomba.
 
2013-03-27 05:26:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


I want to believe, but I can't believe aliens created ykk style zippers independently of humanity.
 
2013-03-27 05:27:11 PM  
Hey April 1st isn't here yet. WTH?
 
2013-03-27 05:29:35 PM  
For real people?

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4079 -  Aliens in Roswell
What was actually recovered from the Roswell desert in New Mexico in 1947?


tl;dr Podcast -  http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4079.mp3
 
2013-03-27 05:29:47 PM  
I love my dead gay alien son.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-03-27 05:32:31 PM  

caddisfly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I want to believe, but I can't believe aliens created ykk style zippers independently of humanity.


They had help from the Amish.
 
2013-03-27 05:41:47 PM  

i.imgur.com

 
2013-03-27 05:42:57 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


i dunno, for atmospheric flight a saucer form makes some sense. shaped right it's a lifting body. it's a low aspect-ratio shape, so inherently stable near stall speed. reasonably nimble plan-form with easily modeled fluid-flow.

a little awkward from a mechanical layout standpoint but fuel/air tanks can take on many shapes. maneuvering would be wonky but if you use a reaction system not so bad.
 
2013-03-27 05:43:44 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Inter-dimensional rather than interstellar makes more logical sense to me.
 
2013-03-27 05:45:24 PM  
The FBI should put up billboards, TV and radio ads and web advertisements on popular sites saying that there is no coverup of space aliens, just to clarify.
 
2013-03-27 05:47:55 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Hollywood described UFO's that way because the initial UFO reports described them as such, like the "foo fighters" of World War II lore that stalked military pilots.  Modern UFO sightings really got started during WWII of reports by military pilots of disc-shaped craft that could perform impossible maneuvers, fly vastly faster than them, and seemed to be there to observe since they never seemed to directly engage either axis or allied forces.
 
2013-03-27 05:48:05 PM  

flynn80: Lsherm: I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

Inter-dimensional rather than interstellar makes more logical sense to me.


You have one of those Crystal Skulls, don't you?
 
2013-03-27 05:48:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
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I have pictures too!!

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wouldn't mind exploring HER heavenly body, if you know what i mean...
 
2013-03-27 05:53:09 PM  

PainInTheASP: .simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."


Why investigation sometime like this? Not the least bit interesting. Doesn't appear to be a crime here. No communists to hang. Could not possibly affect National Security or anything.

Yawn, just boring everyday stuff..
 
2013-03-27 05:54:39 PM  
I have a couple easy tests to help me discern whether the person I'm talking to is a bonafide crack-pot or not.  First, I ask them if they think aliens landed at Roswell.  If they say yes, I walk away.  If they say no, I ask them if they believe George W. Bush conspired with the federal government to blow up the World Trade Center so he'd have an excuse to invade Iraq and avenge his daddy issues.  If they say yes, I away.

That tells me what kind of bonafide crack-pot I was working with.  Your garden variety nutter or your criminally insane nutter.
 
2013-03-27 05:58:00 PM  
I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.
 
2013-03-27 05:58:10 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?   Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Are you a super advanced alien being that has mastered inter galactic space travel. Didn't think so.  Maybe they know more about aerodynamics and space travel than you.
 
2013-03-27 06:00:53 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


Next you'll be telling us they probably can't speak English either.
 
2013-03-27 06:01:07 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.


So you're telling me theres a chance?
 
2013-03-27 06:01:34 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


Nice big zipper on that alien's suit.  They are truly advanced.
 
2013-03-27 06:02:26 PM  
meyerkev:  they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.

Yep, totally. Well apart from the "Nazi" thing. It was Brits and Canadians, with US military funding.

And the "flying" bit is a little misleading -- they flew after a fashion. Which is to say, several feet off the ground. They couldn't get out of ground effect while retaining stable flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

Or are you referring to the Vought XF5U? I'm guessing not, because really it looked nothing like a flying saucer, but it's the next nearest thing. And it never really flew at all. It just taxied and tried to shake itself to pieces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_XF5U

FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..
 
2013-03-27 06:04:49 PM  

eggrolls: Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!


It was invented by a Vulcan, to help a poor kid afford college.
 
2013-03-27 06:06:06 PM  
Fake. It was a joke memo created by bored government workers.

Actually a very common past time back before computers & the Internet.
 
2013-03-27 06:06:09 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


Nothing worse than a leaky potus.
 
2013-03-27 06:07:13 PM  
Probably just a weather balloon.

img120.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-27 06:07:25 PM  

Radak: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.

Next you'll be telling us they probably can't speak English either.


Klaatu barada nikto.
 
2013-03-27 06:08:00 PM  

More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?


Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....
 
2013-03-27 06:08:10 PM  

Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.


Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.
 
2013-03-27 06:10:51 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.


What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.
 
2013-03-27 06:11:02 PM  

eggrolls: Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!


And tang.  And drink mix too.
 
2013-03-27 06:11:27 PM  
That alien looks like someone who died in a space capsule, landed on earth after crashing, then had decomposition gases bloat his face all up. Isn't that a zipper in the photo as well?

Maybe the "alien" is a Soviet cosmonaut or even American astronaut from a secret Cold War black ops space project that went bad.
 
2013-03-27 06:13:32 PM  

meyerkev: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide.  Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name
//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.


All my research indicates the same.  Biggest incentive for coverup was anti-soviet research in aeronautics and radar/sonar.
 
2013-03-27 06:15:02 PM  

Matthew Keene: I love my dead gay alien son.

[www.blogcdn.com image 180x285]


"Oh sure, try the big newspapers.  They get lucky sometimes.  But the tabloids have the best investigative journalism on the planet."
 
2013-03-27 06:16:20 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.


For putting that image in my head you just became my favorite person in the whole world.
 
2013-03-27 06:16:55 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.

What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.


Absolutely, and his mother-in-loaw was basically inviting the FBI to come have a talk with her.
 
2013-03-27 06:17:15 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


captionsearch.com

I am Boxxy
 
2013-03-27 06:18:32 PM  
gweilo8888:
FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..



 However, the chances are that the "aliens" weren't saddled with stories of a sociopath for a god and his son didn't walk on water and thus didn't go through dark ages for 1000 years. They probably didn't have an economic system as flawed as capitalism for as long as we've had it and actually used the advancement in techonology to pursue scientific advances instead of short term profits.

If you put that in your equation I think you'll find that we have aliens living amongs us right now.
 
2013-03-27 06:20:02 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


I repeat...You're saying there's a chance?
 
2013-03-27 06:20:11 PM  
gweilo8888: because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations.

</sarcasm>I am glad to know we know all there is to know about  physics.</sarcasm>
in less than 200 years we went from horse and buggy to walking on the Moon and sending robots to Mars. Do you really believe that a race 200, 2000 or even 20000 years advanced beyond us would fail to accomplish stuff that would seem, like magic to us?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.Arthur C. Clarke
 
2013-03-27 06:22:01 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.
 
2013-03-27 06:22:17 PM  

big pig peaches: Great. I clicked on the link which took me to the FBI archive page. Now I'm officially on the government's "whack jobs list".


Don't sweat it. We're all on the list.
 
2013-03-27 06:23:00 PM  
There's a bunch of people in these parts that believe in the crash and the ensuing cover up.  I find it fascinating.
 
2013-03-27 06:24:59 PM  
Don't be ridiculous.

Their ships weren't saucer shaped.

www.moviecatcher.net
 
2013-03-27 06:26:19 PM  

runner_one: gweilo8888: because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations.

</sarcasm>I am glad to know we know all there is to know about  physics.</sarcasm>
in less than 200 years we went from horse and buggy to walking on the Moon and sending robots to Mars. Do you really believe that a race 200, 2000 or even 20000 years advanced beyond us would fail to accomplish stuff that would seem, like magic to us?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.Arthur C. Clarke



In The Right Stuff Chuck Yeager says of the sound barrier, "If you ask me, I don't think the thing even exists."  I'm of that opinion about obstacles to FTL flight.  Screw Einstein.  He didn't know everything.  He got divorced and married his cousin.  Are you really going to take the word of that man putting limits on you?
 
2013-03-27 06:26:25 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Danger Avoid Death: Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.

What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.

Absolutely, and his mother-in-loaw was basically inviting the FBI to come have a talk with her.


And by talk you mean tasering.
 
2013-03-27 06:28:12 PM  

Sticky Hands: moos: nature abhors a vacuum.

so does my wife.
so does my wife.


Some of us know better.
 
2013-03-27 06:37:52 PM  

mbillips: Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.


That's exactly why they did publish it.  To make you think that they thought it was a bunch of BS and never panned out.  Why else would they have published it?
 
2013-03-27 06:38:11 PM  

mbillips: Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.


What better way to deny something than make it public?
 
2013-03-27 06:41:16 PM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.


That's just what they want you to believe.  It's all one vast conspiracy.  I would tell you more, but  it takes far too long, so I wrote it down in book form, and I give plenty of lectures on the ufo conspiracy conference circuit.

/available for $49.95 where fine kook books are sold
 
2013-03-27 06:41:33 PM  

moos: nature abhors a vacuum.


The rise of alien activity coincides with the decline of angelic intervention.
 
2013-03-27 06:44:19 PM  

professor_tom: I saw this on Fox News in the 50s.


Not sure if serious
/ or delirious
 
2013-03-27 06:47:35 PM  

mbillips: Hey, if anyone wants to start a political party based on disbelief in conspiracy theories, count me in. I'm pretty tolerant about most opinions all across the left-right, libertarian-communitarian spectrum (I may disagree with you, but I respect your right to conceive and hold your opinion), but farking tinfoil hatters make me want to bite somebody.

Our arch-foes are Truthers, Birthers, all Glenn Beck and Alex Jones fans, and that biatch Jenny McCarthy. Our main platform is to ensure that nothing they want ever gets included in legislation or executive action.


So, basically, you and others would work together to ensure that these people are suppressed? This is just a theory, but wouldn't that be a conspiracy?
 
2013-03-27 06:48:59 PM  

Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.


I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf
 
2013-03-27 06:49:42 PM  

Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.


Lollol.  I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.
 
2013-03-27 06:49:58 PM  

big pig peaches: Great. I clicked on the link which took me to the FBI archive page. Now I'm officially on the government's "whack jobs list".


Breaking News :  You've been on that list since ( checks profile ) 08-07-2007.
 
2013-03-27 06:53:49 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-27 06:54:20 PM  
In before someone signs off with "wake up, sheeple!"

/醒来羊人!
 
2013-03-27 07:00:28 PM  
forgetomori.com
dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2013-03-27 07:02:57 PM  
Look, there are no aliens.  We're the only ones in the universe.  Period.

/some people actually believe this.
 
2013-03-27 07:03:20 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Lollol.  I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.


Flippant example aside, he has a point. Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see? And what does that make them? Top Secret Actual President?

/it's JFK's head being kept alive in a jar
 
2013-03-27 07:04:50 PM  
This dude says they are Rhesus monkeys in cute little space suits!

i43.tower.com
 
2013-03-27 07:05:46 PM  

professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]


Hey, why does your vanity plate say "PROBE#1"?
 
2013-03-27 07:05:58 PM  

DanielElectro: This dude says they are Rhesus monkeys in cute little space suits!

[i43.tower.com image 200x301]

Science

cannot move forward without heaps!
 
2013-03-27 07:07:22 PM  
Wow, I didn't realize some people take a fark UFO thread really seriously.
 
2013-03-27 07:07:26 PM  

Electromax: LordJiro: Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.

Yeah, I spose.

I would love for this to be true but I'm too skeptical to believe it. I will say that my brother in law used to work as an MP at Groom Lake AFB and he sort of grins when I asked about that but he DID say there was technology in there that he considered more advanced than the general public would be comfortable with so it hasn't been "unveiled" yet.

I've always taken this to mean things like military drones or bio weapons or surveillance tech, but he still refuses to talk about it to anyone due to clearance concerns or whatever. Most likely he's just pulling my leg but it's fun to daydream about.

/I always liked the Philadelphia Experiment rumors


I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics.  Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Now secret engineering projects are another matter.  But it's going to come in the form of as you say: drones, surveillance, stealth etc.   If you look at history, secret projects and places like groom lake have generally all been about stealthiness and surveillance:  spy planes, satellites, stealth bombers.
 
2013-03-27 07:09:40 PM  
AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


totally shopped I can tell by the pixels, Obligatory
 
2013-03-27 07:13:19 PM  

Rufus Lee King: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

About the same odds as drawing a royal fizbin.

[www.startrekdb.se image 320x240]


Oh my, 10 innernets for that call back.
 
2013-03-27 07:15:31 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.

For putting that image in my head you just became my favorite person in the whole world.


I'm a simple servant of the people. *bows*
 
2013-03-27 07:18:30 PM  
A lot of people say that aliens first landed in Roswell, but that's bullroar.  It was Blaine, Missouri, and there were several eyewitnesses:

"They took me off into a separate room; I seen 'em takin' different people off; different ones of us off in separate rooms and put me on a big white table and uh the guy that took me in there - to examine me I guess - he probed me and then I was in there I bet more than three or four hours, in that room, being probed and at one time or another these different ones of 'em came in, four or five or six of 'em at different times, and all of 'em probed me, uh, not all at once, you know, individually. Later on, years later, now, even still, uh, it's a funny thing - it happened on a Sunday and every Sunday about the time I was taken on board that ship I - find I have no feelings in my buttocks."


And there were phenomenal after-effects of the crop circle they left behind as well:

I've been coming to this circle for about five years, and measuring it. The diameter and the circumference are constantly changing, but the radius stays the same. Which brings me to the number 5. There are five letters in the word Blaine. Now, if you mix up the letters in the word Blaine, mix 'em around, eventually, you'll come up with Nebali. Nebali. The name of a planet in a galaxy way, way, way... way far away. And another thing. Once you go into that circle, the weather never changes. It is always 67 degrees with a 40% chance of rain. Always.
 
2013-03-27 07:20:38 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?

Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


So your saying there's a chance?

Beej from Scarlett that is, Aliens I don't really care about.
 
2013-03-27 07:22:17 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.


Well, when you say something that contradicts all established Federal law, regulations and policy on a subject matter in such a way that it sounds absurd to somebody with professional knowledge of the subject, asking for a citation is appropriate.

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?


While it is possible for somebody to create a SCI compartment and then try to keep it so tight that nobody even knows the compartment exists, the problem comes when the President would have an actual need-to-know for the issue.  He might not have to be briefed on it so he wouldn't know to ask about this little black program, but if it's actually relevant to him, trying to hide it is a Very Bad Idea.  Legally, the President decides, through delegated authority of the Director of National Intelligence and other Original Classification Authorities (OCA's), who can see what with regards to ALL classified information in the US.  (See also Executive Orders 13526 and 12333, DoD Instruction 5210.87, DoD Directive 5210.55 and Intelligence Community Directive 704, as well as the National Security Act of 1947),

Look at it this way, who would have the legal authority to classify information in a way the POTUS couldn't see?  Everybody who has the legal authority to classify that information derives that authority as delegated by the POTUS through Executive Orders.  Nobody has the authority to classify ANYTHING without POTUS approval (even if highly delegated).
 
2013-03-27 07:34:56 PM  

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?


www.homevideos.com

/shouldn't be that obscure
 
2013-03-27 07:35:29 PM  
The 1947 saucers were, in reality, the original drones. The occupants were genetically engineered human-chimp hybrids. They were created and trained not only to pilot the craft but since they weren't really human, they were eminently disposable.

Considering that most US aerospace and biological tech came directly out of the minds and efforts of captured Nazi scientists, this is not much of a stretch.
 
2013-03-27 07:39:34 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


What movie did they say that in? ID4? MiB?  I remember hearing that and laughing at the thought that the Commander in Chief wouldn't have a high enough clearance for ANYTHING.
 
2013-03-27 07:39:56 PM  
Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.
 
2013-03-27 07:40:39 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

[www.homevideos.com image 266x176]

/shouldn't be that obscure


OMFG Is that from Dreamscape????
 
2013-03-27 07:43:16 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.

I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf


In the movie, the SECDEF who was a former DCI who had deliberately withheld this information from the POTUS was fired as soon as the POTUS found it convenient in the midst of the crisis.

Will Smith actually enunciates "Earth" perfectly.
 
2013-03-27 07:44:06 PM  
Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a transformer?
 
2013-03-27 07:49:11 PM  

Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.

Well, when you say something that contradicts all established Federal law, regulations and policy on a subject matter in such a way that it sounds absurd to somebody with professional knowledge of the subject, asking for a citation is appropriate.

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

While it is possible for somebody to create a SCI compartment and then try to keep it so tight that nobody even knows the compartment exists, the problem comes when the President would have an actual need-to-know for the issue.  He might not have to be briefed on it so he wouldn't know to ask about this little black program, but if it's actually relevant to him, trying to hide it is a Very Bad Idea.  Legally, the President decides, through delegated authority of the Director of National Intelligence and other Original Classification Authorities (OCA's), who can see what with regards to ALL classified information in the US.  (See also Executive Orders 13526 and 12333, DoD Instruction 5210.87, DoD Directive 5210.55 and Intelligence Community Directive 704, as well as the National Security Act of 1947),

Look at it this way, who would have the legal authority to classify information in a way the POTUS couldn't see?  Everybody who has the legal authority to classify that information derives that authority as delegated by the POTUS through Executive Orders.  Nobody has the authority to classify ANYTHING without POTUS approval (even if highly delegated).


Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?
 
2013-03-27 07:50:29 PM  
I like to listen to the awesome Mysterious Universe podcast while I'm working, and they cover alien and UFO stories. My favorite was a fellow who had been abducted in the middle of the night for all kinds of kinky alien experimentation.

Apparently the alien scientists screw with your head to keep you calm while the do whatever they do with their human subjects. It's some kind of mental sedation that makes the whole experience dream-like and hard to recall.

Anyway, one thing this guy did distinctly remember was asking them what planet they were from, and then overhearing them laughing amongst themselves about his question: "He thinks we're aliens. Lol."

Who knows what they are?
 
2013-03-27 07:51:14 PM  

Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a transformer?


Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(
 
2013-03-27 07:52:05 PM  

reimanr06: Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?


Only if he kept sitting on it, I suppose.
 
2013-03-27 07:53:12 PM  
FTFA: Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.

Oh great, now we'll be hearing from the conspiracy fruitcakes that this is proof the government is hiding information about aliens from the public. Herp a derp derp derp.

I'm sure this seems all scary and fantastical but the true explanation is really quite mundane.  The saucers were simply high altitude weather balloons. The small bodies were simply chimpanzees in pressurized flight suits. This was nothing more than a simple test of high altitude flight suits using chimpanzees as test subjects. The balloons crashed and the chimps died. It was all just one big, mundane, secret experiment of terrestrial origin conducted by the apes so they could establish their secret space base on Mars. Nothing to see folks, move along.
 
2013-03-27 07:56:36 PM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


Actually it is documented that there was testing of aeroshells over at White Sands Missile Range. It is an easy hop over the mountains for a stray vehicle.
 
2013-03-27 07:57:15 PM  
Captain Steroid: Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a transformer?

Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(


If you say so, I dislike him because he was a fascist, I don't really care if he liked to wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:04 PM  

Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a transformer?

Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(

If you say so, I dislike him because he was a fascist, I don't really care if he liked to wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra.


Or that he was a lumberjack.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:07 PM  

Via Infinito: AdolfOliverPanties: Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

[www.homevideos.com image 266x176]

/shouldn't be that obscure

OMFG Is that from Dreamscape????


Yup.  "You ever run into a smooth, corporate type by the name of Bob Blair?  He's in charge of it.  Presidents come and go, Bob Blair stays."

/or something like that.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:21 PM  
s9.postimg.org

Truman: Nerks to this space crab! If we want information, we'll have to do us an old-fashioned alien autopsy!

Zoidberg: Hooray!
 
2013-03-27 08:01:40 PM  
False. Zoidberg.
 
2013-03-27 08:06:22 PM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.


At the national archives annex in college park MD there is a document from 1917 that you are not allowed to see  because to this day it is classified top secret
 
2013-03-27 08:07:47 PM  
Just yesterday I watched an excellent indie sci-fi film called Lunopolis that rolls lots of conspiracy theories up into a pretty awesome knot. Highly recommended. Netflix is streaming it.
 
2013-03-27 08:11:11 PM  
forgetomori.com

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.
 
2013-03-27 08:11:17 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.
 
2013-03-27 08:12:07 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.


Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.
 
2013-03-27 08:13:43 PM  

Magorn: At the national archives annex in college park MD there is a document from 1917 that you are not allowed to see because to this day it is classified top secret


Those are just pictures of J. Edgar Hoover in his prom dress.
 
2013-03-27 08:15:56 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


Yep. Suck it. Suck it like the cold vacuum of space
 
2013-03-27 08:16:38 PM  
 The airforce would prefer that it be seen as a UFO crash rather than a top secret military aircraft that crashed.
And if that means feeding the FBI even more interesting BS to the people who pretty quickly figured out it wasn't a weather balloon and let them chase their tails looking like morons then.
But it wouldn't have worked without the generral public.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-03-27 08:16:40 PM  

ReapTheChaos: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.


I'm assuming it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photostat of a photostat of a photograph.
 
2013-03-27 08:17:25 PM  

Ghastly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.


In space, no one can hear you unzip.
 
2013-03-27 08:17:33 PM  

Somaticasual: TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.




Lotta argument by incredulity in this thread.
 
2013-03-27 08:17:43 PM  

Ghastly: ReapTheChaos: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

I'm assuming it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photostat of a photostat of a photograph.


Well.... either that or some hipster in the 1940s had access to Instagram.
 
2013-03-27 08:18:49 PM  

BSABSVR: Somaticasual: TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.

Lotta argument by incredulity in this thread.


I don't believe it!
 
2013-03-27 08:19:36 PM  
Zippers are alien tech.
 
2013-03-27 08:20:23 PM  

ReapTheChaos: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.

But, ReapTheChaos, don't you know why? It's because this is an n-th generation photocopy of a highly classified photograph that was smuggled out at the cost of god knows how many lives. Try to be a little more respectful. Jeez.
 
2013-03-27 08:21:33 PM  

Electromax: ThrobblefootSpectre: Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Lollol.  I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.

Flippant example aside, he has a point. Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see? And what does that make them? Top Secret Actual President?

/it's JFK's head being kept alive in a jar


A President is a temporary position. Military leaders are not.
www.naziufosecret.com
 
2013-03-27 08:22:08 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Magorn: At the national archives annex in college park MD there is a document from 1917 that you are not allowed to see because to this day it is classified top secret


Are you sure about that one?  NPR reported that the US government declassified in April 2011 the 6 oldest documents that still had active classification, a series from 1917 and 1918: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/20/135564718/cia-reveals- i ts-six-oldest-classified-documents-now-we-can-all-read-them

What were they?  A series of invisible ink chemical formulas used by spies circa World War I including how to detect the inks in question, now declassified as they are considered obsolete as espionage techniques.
 
2013-03-27 08:22:30 PM  

MaliFinn: moos: nature abhors a vacuum.

The rise of alien activity coincides with the decline of angelic intervention.


And before that it was little elves, faeries and leprechauns. Our 'aliens' are always perfect for our time. Amazing coincidence, that.
 
2013-03-27 08:23:41 PM  
meyerkev: There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide.  Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name
//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.



I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.
 
2013-03-27 08:23:44 PM  

Ghastly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.


The quality of that photo means nothing
B/W photo copied on a older office copier and then that copied and then that copied and then...
After several generations that wold be the result.
 
2013-03-27 08:26:02 PM  

Evil High Priest: MaliFinn: moos: nature abhors a vacuum.

The rise of alien activity coincides with the decline of angelic intervention.

And before that it was little elves, faeries and leprechauns. Our 'aliens' are always perfect for our time. Amazing coincidence, that.


detroitaprs.info

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".
 
2013-03-27 08:29:56 PM  
forgetomori.com
www.ryananddebi.com
 
2013-03-27 08:30:40 PM  

TheTranceFan: It's because this is an n-th generation photocopy of a highly classified photograph that was smuggled out at the cost of god knows how many lives.


I was expecting plans for the Death Star.
 
2013-03-27 08:32:41 PM  

reimanr06: Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?


Legally, no.  There's no legal grounds for that.

Practically, it's been done.  Remember that scandal that came out last week about LBJ finding out that Nixon had thrown the Paris Peace Negotiations in '68 and kept the Vietnam War ongoing for his own political gain?  LBJ had that stamped Top Secret. . .then didn't turn it over when he left office and the files were kept privately (and illicitly).  LBJ had them stored in his Presidential Library, where they were only just last week declassified.  Something he classified but kept from later Presidents.  Technically not legal, but since LBJ has been dead for 40+ years its kind of moot.

It's the same thing as a retiring employee taking their files with them when they leave, even if they are company property.  Not SUPPOSED to do that, there's no legal or regulatory grounds for it, but can you really stop him?
 
2013-03-27 08:34:23 PM  
forgetomori.com

iirc, this picture is from a Japanese wax museum or something, about the Roswell crash. Zipper is also a big giveaway. But that's not to say alien visitation isn't real.

Although, i think at this point, the majority who don't yet accept the reality are just being willfully ignorant because it doesn't fit with their world view. Or being even more ignorant and waiting for it to be widely accepted before they accept it themselves. There's copious amounts of evidence out there already, which has turned many a skeptic into a believer when they start looking into it. The two groups i've already mentioned never look into it, though, because deciding for yourself is hard. So much easier to just deny things that aren't commonly accepted, because if they were real, they'd be commonly accepted, in their feeble minds.
 
2013-03-27 08:36:34 PM  
So......nice farkin thread.

/you had me at bj by Scarlett Johansson
//just because I'm be drinkin
///when I drink, I believe in aliens.
////when I'm sober, not so much.
 
2013-03-27 08:36:53 PM  
untaken_name:

[detroitaprs.info image 610x490]

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".



Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"
 
2013-03-27 08:37:40 PM  
A possible hybrid descendant?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-27 08:40:05 PM  

ReapTheChaos: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.


Because back in the early days, the easiest way of copying pictures like this would be a photocopier - hellishly lossy process, but free.
 
2013-03-27 08:44:55 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: meyerkev: There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide.  Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name
//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.


I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.


We had a fair number of MIGs. There are a few books on the subject.  Google Foreign Technology Division.
 
2013-03-27 08:46:43 PM  

albatros183: moos: nature abhors a vacuum.

I hate this saying
Almost all of nature IS a near-vacuum


/ftfy
 
2013-03-27 08:48:05 PM  

Tillmaster: Because back in the early days, the easiest way of copying pictures like this would be a photocopier


Or a monk.

/okay, I'm old.
 
2013-03-27 08:48:33 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

iirc, this picture is from a Japanese wax museum or something, about the Roswell crash. Zipper is also a big giveaway. But that's not to say alien visitation isn't real.



I think the zipper is supposed to be part of a body bag, unless he's supposed to be dressed as a Michael Jackson impersonator.
 
2013-03-27 08:48:54 PM  

ReapTheChaos: [forgetomori.com image 500x596]

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.


People complain the good ones are CGI.
 
2013-03-27 08:51:21 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Tillmaster: Because back in the early days, the easiest way of copying pictures like this would be a photocopier

Or a monk.

/okay, I'm old.


i48.photobucket.com

Yeah, me too.
 
2013-03-27 08:57:19 PM  
Prior to 1988, there were many "serious scientists" who doubted whether extrasolar planets existed. Of course we now know that these planets are so common that finding new ones is barely with notice.

Today many "serious scientists" doubt that life exists outside of our little biosphere.

Seriously?

/SPACE
//IS
///BIG
 
2013-03-27 08:57:31 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: untaken_name:

[detroitaprs.info image 610x490]

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".


Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"

 
2013-03-27 08:57:37 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?
 
2013-03-27 08:58:04 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Danger Avoid Death: Tillmaster: Because back in the early days, the easiest way of copying pictures like this would be a photocopier

Or a monk.

/okay, I'm old.

[i48.photobucket.com image 200x240]

Yeah, me too.


Oh, God, I remember that ad campaign!
 
2013-03-27 08:59:30 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?


Like a Winnebago.
 
2013-03-27 09:00:37 PM  

untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: untaken_name:

[detroitaprs.info image 610x490]

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".


Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"


Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.
 
2013-03-27 09:03:20 PM  
If that is a picture of an alien from the crash, why would an alien have a zipper?
 
2013-03-27 09:04:10 PM  

Bruxellensis: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.

Pretty much this.


Well.. if someone is doing some interstellar seeding, it is entirely possible to find humanoid looking things.

Odds of starting from jump and looking like us are probably fairly slim, barring that we are on the critical path of evolution.
 
2013-03-27 09:05:25 PM  
Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.
 
2013-03-27 09:07:09 PM  

pjbreeze: If that is a picture of an alien from the crash, why would an alien have a zipper?


Easier space nookie.
 
2013-03-27 09:08:32 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I think the zipper is supposed to be part of a body bag, unless he's supposed to be dressed as a Michael Jackson impersonator.


He actually is dressed quite like that. The original is in color.
 
2013-03-27 09:09:24 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: There's copious amounts of evidence out there already,


Cool. Let's see it.
 
2013-03-27 09:09:46 PM  

pjbreeze: If that is a picture of an alien from the crash, why would an alien have a zipper?


so he could pee, silly.
 
2013-03-27 09:10:06 PM  
ufos.homestead.com
 
2013-03-27 09:11:12 PM  

Evil High Priest: Cool. Let's see it.


Check my profile.
 
2013-03-27 09:12:44 PM  

untaken_name: untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: untaken_name:

[detroitaprs.info image 610x490]

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".


Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"

Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.


Humans suck. They can't do anything.
 
2013-03-27 09:17:02 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: shower_in_my_socks: I think the zipper is supposed to be part of a body bag, unless he's supposed to be dressed as a Michael Jackson impersonator.

He actually is dressed quite like that. The original is in color



It's a well known fact in some circles that aliens gave the zipper technology to the Egyptians, and that's why we have them to this day.
 
2013-03-27 09:17:12 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Evil High Priest: Cool. Let's see it.

Check my profile.


Ok. So, which of those youtubes is the proof of extraterrestrial visitation? I only have time for one.
 
2013-03-27 09:29:42 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.



You guys haven't heard of Wally Wallington have you?

You can easily move a 20,000 lb stone block by yourself. No aliens required! No advanced tech, only simple machines. Sticks, stones, water. Sure this video is about Stone Henge, but if this guy can build his own stonehenge, how about 1000 drunken slaves?

I'm not saying it wasn't aliens, but it wasn't farking aliens!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQBDhkBfr0
 
2013-03-27 09:29:57 PM  

Evil High Priest: Thinking for myself is hard.

 
2013-03-27 09:32:33 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I have a couple easy tests to help me discern whether the person I'm talking to is a bonafide crack-pot or not.  First, I ask them if they think aliens landed at Roswell.  If they say yes, I walk away.  If they say no, I ask them if they believe George W. Bush conspired with the federal government to blow up the World Trade Center so he'd have an excuse to invade Iraq and avenge his daddy issues.  If they say yes, I away.

That tells me what kind of bonafide crack-pot I was working with.  Your garden variety nutter or your criminally insane nutter.


How about the nutter who points out that Bush's administration fought to avoid an investigation of 9-11? Or the nutter who quotes PNAC about a new Pearl Harbor? How much actual evidence of dubiousness are you willing to throw out in the name of Holy SkepticismTM?

/Would Barack Obama have been given a pass if he had been president and co-investor with the Bin Laden family after 9-11? If your answer is "yes", you are either a.lying or b.have never heard of Bill Ayers.
 
2013-03-27 09:33:47 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: You guys haven't heard of Wally Wallington have you?


From Walla Walla, WA?
 
2013-03-27 09:35:46 PM  

Nem Wan: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.

I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf

In the movie, the SECDEF who was a former DCI who had deliberately withheld this information from the POTUS was fired as soon as the POTUS found it convenient in the midst of the crisis.

Will Smith actually enunciates "Earth" perfectly.


At the beginning of the movie, Will Smith says "earfquake".
 
2013-03-27 09:37:17 PM  
The stupidest officer in the entire history of the U.S. Military had the brilliant idea that suggesting that the classified target was actually a crashed spaceship would divert the attention of the Newspapers.

Brilliant.
 
2013-03-27 09:37:19 PM  

darth_badger: ferretman: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
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Jeez...the Chinese invent gunpowder first and now proof that they created flying saucers!

But the Coke tasted funny in China. They'll never get that right.


That's because they play joke.  Don't buy pop out of the vending machines at the Pei-Pei Institute, and when you go into a restaurant, avoid the Pu-Pu Platter.
 
2013-03-27 09:37:33 PM  
xanadian:

Flashlight!...
Streetlight!...

/get funky funky people
 
2013-03-27 09:41:55 PM  

uncleacid: I miss the Weekly World News.


ZOMG this

grocery lines aren't nearly as fun anymore.
actually now they're no fun at all
 
2013-03-27 09:44:40 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.


Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.
 
2013-03-27 09:50:05 PM  
Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?  Some UFO reports have the things floating above a city for minutes--long enough for any professional photographers to run in their studio, grab a large-format camera, attach a zoom lens, and get a damn sharp image already.  And with all the powerful digital cameras out there, why the blurry photos of objects that look like some hubcap flung in the air?

I think I know the obvious answer:  the Bavarian Illuminati, along with the reverse vampires, created a magical ray that blurs photos of UFOs.  SOLVED!
 
2013-03-27 09:52:01 PM  

Ghastly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.


They wore "sanitized" uniforms constructed to resemble earth flight suits if partially destroyed or dismembered- true in every way but scale.

/not serious
 
2013-03-27 09:53:07 PM  

untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.


lol wut?
 
2013-03-27 09:55:13 PM  

vabeard: At the beginning of the movie, Will Smith says "earfquake".


You mean when he's half asleep?
 
2013-03-27 10:02:19 PM  

untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.


Care to provide a link to whatever expert or institute actually proclaimed the pyramids to be within 1" of square?  I call BS on that 'fact'...

When I was a clerk in a local courthouse, I saw a very thick book commissioned by the Transcendental Meditation folks that was chock full of very, very sophisticated statistical analysis 'proving' beyond doubt that TM actually causes crime to go down in a city where the TMers are meditating.  Basically the same pretentious-sounding quasi-scientific bullshiat that some Cretinist institutes use to 'prove' beyond a doubt that Adam 'n' Eve were romping around the Garden of Eden with dinosaurs.  And then there's Charles "Not the Language Person" Berlitz's book on the Bermuda Triangle that scared the crap out of me when I was a kid--at least until I read a book debunking Berlitz's book and showing all the fabricated nonsense in it.

It's like I've developed some sort of sixth sense, some sort of ESP that tells me I'm dealing with pseudo-scientific BS--I think that ESP was given to me during an anal probe by the mutant zombie vampires of Uranus...

/heh, heh, I said 'Uranus', heh, heh...
 
2013-03-27 10:03:18 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?


img546.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-27 10:04:48 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

You seem to have a good amount of knowledge.  Exactly what does an interstellar spacecraft look like?


a large hollowed out asteroid, with a large ice cap at one end
 
2013-03-27 10:07:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: untaken_name:

[detroitaprs.info image 610x490]

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians. Oh, they were probably just from "our time".


Where one person sees alien eyes, I see the ears of the Egyptian god Anubis. Or any number of explanations that are far more logical than "OMG ET!"


Um, yeah, about those Egyptian gods. I saw that documentary series. The Egyptian art was highly stylized with odd perspectives; any textbook on art appreciation explains the conventions. The representation of Anubis, Apophis and the other aliens aren't meant to be photorealistic but symbolic. In this case, a warning that resonates with humanity that says "Danger, these are not humans nor gods, they are monsters." The form of aliens is rooted deep within the human psyche, like the form of snakes and spiders. Many people look at a spider move or a snake slither and are irrationally freaked out. Similarly, this appearance of aliens is freaky and that is intentional. They come clad as men, but their essence is like nothing we can relate to. The Egyptians crafted the perfect image, one that we respond to on a visceral level, when they crafted this image.

That visceral response can go either way, however. Some people look at it and know fear, others look at it and are enraptured. Which is probably the same ambivalence the Egyptians themselves felt about their enslavers.

/can I get a job with the History Channel now?
//always seem to catch Pawn Stars, never seen the alien shows
 
2013-03-27 10:13:34 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: untaken_name: shower_in_my_socks: Thanks, Fark preview. Hey, if you think we could have built the Pyramids without help, why don't you go make a copy of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Keep in mind that you have thousands of years of advanced tech to help you. Good luck.

Give me a shiatload of slaves, and fark yes I could build them. It makes more sense than extraterrestrial beings defying the laws of phyics to come all this way just to teach some primative culture how to make giant burial tombs. So silly.

Sure you could. Here, here's an easier project for you - why not try a simple one-square-acre stone building that's within 1" of square? Then you can build up to a 14-square-acre one. There isn't a skyscraper in the world that is as close to square as that pyramid, and they're far less massive. But whatever, I'm sure you *could* do it, if only you applied yourself....HAHAHAHAahahahahahahh.

lol wut?


He's right, you know. All the planning charts for that pyramid have been on display at the local planning
department in Alpha Centauri for years if you'd bothered to check.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:16 PM  

Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?


Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:37 PM  

More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?


The chances are astronomical, but so is the universe?
 
2013-03-27 10:22:52 PM  

Gig103: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

What movie did they say that in? ID4? MiB?  I remember hearing that and laughing at the thought that the Commander in Chief wouldn't have a high enough clearance for ANYTHING.


It wasnt that he didnt have clearance for it.  It was plausible deniability.

Just because you are TS+, doesnt mean you have access to all TS+ stuff.
Barry doesn't need to know.
 
2013-03-27 10:23:58 PM  
reimanr06

Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?

Technically yes, he could do so with a sealed executive order(similar to Jimmy Carter's executive order prohibiting assassination of foreign heads of state but kept quiet), however the future president would have equal power to override said order. Like in ID4 anyone caught knowingly preventing the current president from knowing something he had a need to would likely be done for even with that justification.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:04 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.


So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:34 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.


Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?  That's like driving to Sao Paulo to play doorbell ditch on somebody, then driving back.  If I flew zillions of miles to visit an alien planet, I'd want a really, really big press conference, maybe my picture on People Magazine, and at least a snow globe with the Eiffel Tower in it.

Also, consider this:  the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body.  In other words, like a human baby with green skin.  The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.  Loch Ness monsters, Bigfoot (Bigfeet?), space aliens, and others tend to be the products of people with limited imaginations.  If real extra-terrestrials did visit us some day, they'd be so far from resembling ET that we might not even recognize them as life forms...
 
2013-03-27 10:29:29 PM  
Oops, I got 'succubus' wrong.  They're actually demonic women who had sex with men who otherwise couldn't get laid (i.e. 16th century Farkers)...
 
2013-03-27 10:32:45 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?

Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


So your saying I still have a chance? getting a hummer from Scarlett, I mean...  *happy dance*
 
2013-03-27 10:46:53 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I have lots of family in the US Air Force. One of them told me one time that an associate of his used to operate out of "Area 51" back when it was still secret. According to that guy, the main reason for its secrecy was that we had a Russian MiG fighter, and we didn't want the Russians to know we had it. So we kept it at Area 51.

That, and the well-known fact that we were developing top secret aircrafts like the A-12/SR-71 there.


There's an excellent book called Red Eagles that is an account of what we did with the captured migs, and the people that flew them.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:39 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-27 11:08:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Occam's razor cuts both ways.


My gf probably used it to shave her legs again.
 
2013-03-27 11:09:25 PM  

BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.


Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.

Psycat: Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?


Right now some animals might be wondering the same thing about our scientists. To them, land dwelling creatures venturing halfway around the world, into the middle of the ocean, just to see them, is highly improbable. They don't know about SCUBA gear and airplane and boat travel. Just like we wouldn't know much about races which are much more advanced than us. I think for a lot of people that might be the hardest thing to accept: that we might be to other races what primitive animals are to us.

Psycat: Also, consider this: the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body. In other words, like a human baby with green skin. The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.


Different cultures just interpret it differently, maybe filling in blanks with a little creative license. Before we knew about mechanized flight and cosmology, the UFOs and their occupants were gods from the heavens.

And not all are humanoid. The ones who appear most interested in us are humanoid, though, but maybe that's because we're related somehow. Our unusually fast evolution compared to any other species, and all the giant leaps and anomalies, could indicate genetic tinkering. Maybe they're just keeping tabs on their project.
 
2013-03-27 11:23:33 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.

Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.

Psycat: Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?

Right now some animals might be wondering the same thing about our scientists. To them, land dwelling creatures venturing halfway around the world, into the middle of the ocean, just to see them, is highly improbable. They don't know about SCUBA gear and airplane and boat travel. Just like we wouldn't know much about races which are much more advanced than us. I think for a lot of people that might be the hardest thing to accept: that we might be to other races what primitive animals are to us.

Psycat: Also, consider this: the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body. In other words, like a human baby with green skin. The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.

Different cultures just interpret it differently, maybe filling in blanks with a little creative license. Before we knew about mechanized flight and cosmology, the UFOs and their occupants were gods from the heavens.

And not all are humanoid. The ones who appear most interested in us are humanoid, though, but maybe that's because we're related somehow. Our unusually fast evolution compared to any other species, and all the ...


What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.  If even one faith healer would just go on network TV already and cure a dozen amputees, that would pretty much settle the issue, but nobody will farking do it already.  Instead, they just keep spewing out conspiracy theories, bizarro rationalizations, and play the tired "thou shallt not test thy God" cop-out ad nauseum.  Vague claims of questionable healings in remote villages don't count as zero evidence in my book--they could as negative evidence because it just confirms my suspicions that it's all just made-up bullshiat.

In other words, JUST SHOW ME ONE GODDAM ALIEN OR ONE SHARP PHOTOGRAPH OF AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ALREADY, or just quit wasting the time of other people.  Is that so farking hard to do?

That's the thing about crackpots in general; the less evidence they have, the more firmly committed to their theories they become.  As they spiral downward into schizophrenia, they develop a more profound Us vs. Them mentality.   Ever visit the Timecube Guy's website?  Maybe 10% of it is devoted to explaining his absurd theory; the other 90% is devoted to him condemning the 99% of the world who don't accept his silly nonsense.

And, no, I'm not hopelessly prejudiced.  I'm very empirical and if somebody, anybody actually backed up their claims with something tangible, I'd accept that I'm dealing with something outside the usual reality.  While I'm not prejudiced, I am tired at all the bullshiat rationalizations and sheer stupidity that takes the place of real hardcore empirical evidence.  Good thing I'm not the Metaphysics Czar of the United States--if somebody claimed to be able to levitate, I'd be tempted to point a gun at his head and threaten "levitate or die"...
 
2013-03-27 11:27:57 PM  

Psycat: What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.


It's only elusive to you.

I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had. Any subtlety you may be sensing is just just me trying to be gentle around people who are prone to denial rages and name calling. I often do the same thing when talking to religious people about the possibility there may be no god.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:41 PM  
I guess J. Edgar Hoover was too busy trying on womens clothes to investigate.

Hot like J. Edgar's panties.
www.loc.gov
 
2013-03-27 11:41:38 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: What gets me about UFO claims, along with religious miracle claims, Bigfoot sightings, and stuff like that is that they all have a very, very, very, very elusive quality about them as if the people know in their deep sub-consciousnesses that they're just fooling themselves.

It's only elusive to you.

I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had. Any subtlety you may be sensing is just just me trying to be gentle around people who are prone to denial rages and name calling. I often do the same thing when talking to religious people about the possibility there may be no god.


Yes, it is elusive to me, because I'm sane.  Bigfoot is also elusive to me and so is other silly nonsense.  Just as having a rational viewpoint of the world completely eludes you.

Denial rage?  How about "tired of dealing with schizophrenic morons rage" instead.  Not so much rage as a mild frustration at dealing with idiots.  Usually, I'm just bemused from a distance; it's only when I make the futile effort to try and get somebody to use their brain is when I feel a hint of frustration.  BTW, how about "can't force your stupid beliefs on sane people" rage?  I'll bet you never feel that.  (Hint: I'm being ironic.)

BTW, you know the frustration you have when dealing with people who believe in a god?  That's the exact same frustration I have dealing with UFO kooks and conspiracy nuts in general.  Your UFOs are just a silly substitute for some bearded old Jehovah and you're just as whacked out as any fundie.  And when people point out how silly you are, you probably never consider they might be right; you write it off as 'denial rage' or some other nonsense.  Whatever, klaatu barada niktu, dude...
 
2013-03-27 11:46:06 PM  

Psycat: J. Frank Parnell: Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?

Those are all CGI, or a model, or photoshop. That's the thing; to those who don't want to accept it, they just won't, no matter what is presented. There's always some remote possibility they can use to explain things away. Where we're at now, accepting every different thing presented to dismiss the millions of cases, is harder to accept than us simply being visited by other races. Occam's razor cuts both ways.

Why would an interstellar traveler spend decades on a journey, just to scare some people, maybe administer an anal probe or two, then fly back?  That's like driving to Sao Paulo to play doorbell ditch on somebody, then driving back.  If I flew zillions of miles to visit an alien planet, I'd want a really, really big press conference, maybe my picture on People Magazine, and at least a snow globe with the Eiffel Tower in it.

Also, consider this:  the typical ET-type alien is a humanoid with a big hairless head and a small body.  In other words, like a human baby with green skin.  The dimwits who get visited in the 21st century by glowing, green-skinned babies are no different than the dimwits of the 16th century who got visited by succubi who tended to be babies with horns and bat wings.  Loch Ness monsters, Bigfoot (Bigfeet?), space aliens, and others tend to be the products of people with limited imaginations.  If real extra-terrestrials did visit us some day, they'd be so far from resembling ET that we might not even recognize them as life forms...


Well I travel to Sao Paulo just to give someone a anal probe all the time.
 
2013-03-27 11:47:44 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Just because you are TS+, doesnt mean you have access to all TS+ stuff.
Barry doesn't need to know.


You know how I know you've got no farking idea what you're talking about?

Yeah, for Joe Schmuck the Analyst or Jimmy Smith the Agent, their TS/SCI is not an all-access pass, it's limited to the compartments their job requires.  However, when the POTUS, or somebody working directly on his behalf like one of his military aides comes up to you and requests information, you don't get to hold it back.  Try reading Executive Order 13256, Section 4.3 paragraph 5.  The National Security Adviser, as appointed by POTUS, has the explicit authority to review any classified program or material in existence in the US, and report that information back to the President.

You wanna tell the POTUS he can't know?  Yeah, you'll just be breaking the National Security Act of 1947, at LEAST 2 Executive Orders, and depending on who you are in the government a string of either DoD or DNI directives and orders.

Who is the OCA for that classified information you are withholding?  Original Classification Authorities for TS/SCI material is a pretty short list, and every one of those is delegated from the POTUS.  There is no legal authority to withhold any classified information from the POTUS if he asks.  You going to argue "Need to Know" to somebody who could issue an Executive Order on the spot saying he has Need to Know?

What could conceivably be beyond the "need to know" of the person who is ultimately accountable for the entire Executive Branch (i.e. almost the entire bureaucracy aside from Federal courts and the Congress and a tiny handful of Congressional entities like the CBO and the LoC)?  The man who is ultimately responsible for all law enforcement, diplomacy, defense and intelligence functions by definition possesses need-to-know over a lot of things.

BTW, if you're in uniform, try calling him "Barry" when you're denying it too, just to ensure your failure is complete.
 
2013-03-27 11:48:07 PM  

Lord Farkwad: I guess J. Edgar Hoover was too busy trying on womens clothes to investigate.

Hot like J. Edgar's panties.
[www.loc.gov image 640x410]


I remember a story about why LBJ decided to keep J. Edgar Booger in as head of the FBI instead of booting his panty-covered ass out of the organization.  His rationale was something like, "I'd rather have in in the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in" or something like that.  BTW, I don't think I'll ever get that cartoon image of J. Edgar in fishnet stockings out of my head :)
 
2013-03-27 11:53:43 PM  

Oldiron_79: Well I travel to Sao Paulo just to give someone a anal probe all the time.


Just so it isn't J. Edgar Hoover in drag...
 
2013-03-28 12:27:10 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: BSABSVR: So if we subtract away your handwaving, you have no proof, you're just loud about it. Noted.

Like i already stated, there is a shiatload of evidence in my profile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But people like you just ask for evidence, and ignore it when it's provided. Sifting through mountains of evidence might be time consuming, but that's what thinking for yourself requires. You can't just sit on the sidelines and take shots at issues you haven't fully researched. Well, you can, but it's not really productive.


Do you know what I have or have not done?  Please list what I have and have not researched.
 
2013-03-28 12:32:53 AM  

ddam: gweilo8888:
FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..


 However, the chances are that the "aliens" weren't saddled with stories of a sociopath for a god and his son didn't walk on water and thus didn't go through dark ages for 1000 years. They probably didn't have an economic system as flawed as capitalism for as long as we've had it and actually used the advancement in techonology to pursue scientific advances instead of short term profits.

If you put that in your equation I think you'll find that we have aliens living amongs us right now.


You sound bitter.
 
2013-03-28 12:37:42 AM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?


I can think of a couple of scenarios, but if I told you them I'd then have to kill you.

/Actually, that's a hint.
//Another hint: Given that there would be some necessary similarities between sentient alpha-predator species, do you think that alien psychology, perspectives, agendas and political behavior would necessarily be different from our own?
///You should be able to figure it out from there....
 
2013-03-28 12:49:59 AM  
Wow, I just got finished perusing the Time Cube Guy's website .  You'd have to be from Alpha Centauri and high on B*Lurgg (a million times more powerful than LSD) to make sense of that nonsense.  I think Gene Ray must be an extra-terrestrial because even earthly schizophrenics couldn't understand his profound theory...
 
2013-03-28 01:02:51 AM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


I was thinking about this earlier, how do reentry vehicles, (like the moonshot capsule things) manage to stay oriented when the "plowing" end seems like it could easily tumble?

/curiousity.
 
2013-03-28 01:12:58 AM  
Huh, ~250 posts and no, "Aliens are human time-travelers from the future," yet?
 
2013-03-28 01:17:32 AM  
They must have done the math and decided this would render enough people useless.
 
2013-03-28 03:07:21 AM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


I know! It's almost as astronomical as the odds against our own existence, everyone knows there's only one astronomic per astronomical
 
2013-03-28 04:52:57 AM  
All this alien talk makes me miss J.T.Walsh.

/MJ12 knows the truth.
 
2013-03-28 05:17:28 AM  
So... what if I've seen a UFO?  The same sort thousands of others have seen?  No, not a flying saucer (haha, flying saucer, who believes in such nonsense) - but a Flying Triangle!

No... really.  Those who have never heard of them, Google the thing.  Pretty simple.  I've seen one - watched it for minutes.  Silent, hovering, black triangle, with a white light in each corner (not red lights, as many see); if it was a human plane low enough to look that big, then I'd see it fly past me in 15 seconds; if it was high enough to appear to move so slow, I doubt it would be in our atmosphere anymore, and ... it wouldn't suddenly disappear, either.  Yep, the thing totally vanished in an instant.  My cell phone in 2003 was a cheapo without a camera, not that I could have taken a decent picture back then anyway.  Was the middle of nowhere in South Carolina.  I'd just joined the military, and at that time in my life, I told myself it was just something military that they hid from the public.  I was naive back then... I didn't realize how incompetent and technically backwards the military was, and I hadn't realized how advanced the technology to hover such a craft must be.  Took me years to become the crazy tin-foil hat wearing nutter I am today, in that I conclude such a craft couldn't possibly have been human.

I have trouble even wording this seriously, because society makes me want to laugh at it... but I am totally serious.  I'm a sort of a smart guy, with experience in engineering, and I've no doubt that I've seen an Unidentified Flying Object of extra-terrestrial origin. 

/seriously.
//report I typed up years ago:  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/057/S57822.html    - even has a link to a Fark thread involving these things...
 
2013-03-28 05:20:14 AM  
Sorry, nevermind, that link doesn't have a link to the Fark thread, but an astute searcher for the news article would surely find it... better than I just tried to.
 
2013-03-28 06:04:54 AM  

nymersic: Sorry, nevermind, that link doesn't have a link to the Fark thread, but an astute searcher for the news article would surely find it... better than I just tried to.


Cool and brave, now green, wish more people were like you
 
2013-03-28 06:11:31 AM  

TheBigJerk: Huh, ~250 posts and no, "Aliens are human time-travelers from the future," yet?


Or from inner Earth. Where we keep the high tech gear from previous advanced civilizations.
 
2013-03-28 07:17:07 AM  
Eh, if it claimed 1 it would have been possibly believable. Supposing somehow 3 all suffered castrophic failures and all managed to fail at the same time is a bit unbelievable.
 
2013-03-28 09:20:53 AM  

TheBigJerk: Huh, ~250 posts and no, "Aliens are human time-travelers from the future," yet?


F*cking goobacks.
 
2013-03-28 09:29:01 AM  
Holy Shiatsnacks, that timecube site is out of control.  I think the notebooks that John Doe wrote in Seven are easier to understand.
 
2013-03-28 10:01:44 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had.


Would you care to share? I've seen and heard a few unexplainable things in my time, but I've always been hoping for one which I couldn't rationalize away. I love UFO/alien encounter stories, and am going to check out the documentaries on your profile when I've got the time, but if you'd be inclined to share yours, I'd love to hear it. Even if by email.
 
2013-03-28 10:10:21 AM  

meyerkev: But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.


Pictured: Nazi science

static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-03-28 12:24:37 PM  

eggrolls: Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!


Stay Klassy!
 
2013-03-28 01:20:07 PM  

nymersic: So... what if I've seen a UFO?  The same sort thousands of others have seen?  No, not a flying saucer (haha, flying saucer, who believes in such nonsense) - but a Flying Triangle!

No... really.  Those who have never heard of them, Google the thing.  Pretty simple.  I've seen one - watched it for minutes.  Silent, hovering, black triangle, with a white light in each corner (not red lights, as many see); if it was a human plane low enough to look that big, then I'd see it fly past me in 15 seconds; if it was high enough to appear to move so slow, I doubt it would be in our atmosphere anymore, and ... it wouldn't suddenly disappear, either.  Yep, the thing totally vanished in an instant.  My cell phone in 2003 was a cheapo without a camera, not that I could have taken a decent picture back then anyway.  Was the middle of nowhere in South Carolina.  I'd just joined the military, and at that time in my life, I told myself it was just something military that they hid from the public.  I was naive back then... I didn't realize how incompetent and technically backwards the military was, and I hadn't realized how advanced the technology to hover such a craft must be.  Took me years to become the crazy tin-foil hat wearing nutter I am today, in that I conclude such a craft couldn't possibly have been human.

I have trouble even wording this seriously, because society makes me want to laugh at it... but I am totally serious.  I'm a sort of a smart guy, with experience in engineering, and I've no doubt that I've seen an Unidentified Flying Object of extra-terrestrial origin.

/seriously.
//report I typed up years ago:  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/057/S57822.html    - even has a link to a Fark thread involving these things..


Don't feel bad  I saw the same thing in Tennessee  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/049/S49488.html
 
2013-03-28 02:39:41 PM  

runner_one: Don't feel bad  I saw the same thing in Tennessee  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/049/S49488.html


Meth, 190-proof Everclear, and inbreeding. It's the perfect trifecta!
 
2013-03-28 03:32:19 PM  

mbillips: Hey, if anyone wants to start a political party based on disbelief in conspiracy theories, count me in.


I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-03-28 03:39:17 PM  

gweilo8888: runner_one: Don't feel bad  I saw the same thing in Tennessee  http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/049/S49488.html

Meth, 190-proof Everclear, and inbreeding. It's the perfect trifecta!


None drinker, none drug user, and if you read the report there were two of us that saw it.
 
2013-03-28 03:56:42 PM  
runner_one:None drinker, none drug user, and if you read the report there were two of us that saw it.

Which proves nothing except that there are two people who are mentally incompetent and/or flat-out lying for a bit of attention.

/I notice you didn't address inbreeding ;-)
 
2013-03-28 05:25:18 PM  
No worries. See, the government has a high-powered radar that shoots down the flying saucers that traveled light years to get here. So, no need to panic people.
 
2013-03-28 07:56:01 PM  

blatz514: cartmans_evil_twin: I like the Weeners:

I'd rather see the UFOs memo on the FBI.

Hmm, I think you just got owned by the Weeners pwn.


Yup. And likewise.
 
2013-03-28 08:05:29 PM  

reimanr06: Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.

Well, when you say something that contradicts all established Federal law, regulations and policy on a subject matter in such a way that it sounds absurd to somebody with professional knowledge of the subject, asking for a citation is appropriate.

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

While it is possible for somebody to create a SCI compartment and then try to keep it so tight that nobody even knows the compartment exists, the problem comes when the President would have an actual need-to-know for the issue.  He might not have to be briefed on it so he wouldn't know to ask about this little black program, but if it's actually relevant to him, trying to hide it is a Very Bad Idea.  Legally, the President decides, through delegated authority of the Director of National Intelligence and other Original Classification Authorities (OCA's), who can see what with regards to ALL classified information in the US.  (See also Executive Orders 13526 and 12333, DoD Instruction 5210.87, DoD Directive 5210.55 and Intelligence Community Directive 704, as well as the National Security Act of 1947),

Look at it this way, who would have the legal authority to classify information in a way the POTUS couldn't see?  Everybody who has the legal authority to classify that information derives that authority as delegated by the POTUS through Executive Orders.  Nobody has the authority to classify ANYTHING without POTUS approval (even if highly delegated).

Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?


Yes, but the future president would have the power to declassify it.

/divide by zero
 
2013-03-28 10:21:40 PM  

gweilo8888: runner_one:None drinker, none drug user, and if you read the report there were two of us that saw it.

Which proves nothing except that there are two people who are mentally incompetent and/or flat-out lying for a bit of attention.

/I notice you didn't address inbreeding ;-)


Good with the insults there.  Typical reaction.
Flying triangles exist, face it. Where do they come from?   Maybe right here on earth.
 
2013-03-28 11:27:35 PM  

runner_one: gweilo8888: runner_one:None drinker, none drug user, and if you read the report there were two of us that saw it.

Which proves nothing except that there are two people who are mentally incompetent and/or flat-out lying for a bit of attention.

/I notice you didn't address inbreeding ;-)

Good with the insults there.  Typical reaction.
Flying triangles exist, face it. Where do they come from?   Maybe right here on earth.


Yeah, no they don't. A whack job who can post random comments on the internet isn't going to persuade me otherwise, but fair does for trying.

You lost me at "escorted by helicopter". I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you couldn't tell the difference between an aircraft -- stealth bomber, say -- and a UFO, but the difference between the stall speed of the bomber and the maximum cruise speed of the helicopter is going to be paper thin, and flying in close formation is likely to have somebody flying in dirty air, reducing that margin even further.

So more than likely, you're just making it up.

/By the way, swimming dodecahedrons exist, too. It's the underwater squid men. I saw one once, and I've posted about it on the internet, so it's undeniable. They just exist, face it.
 
2013-03-29 02:37:18 AM  

sxacho: J. Frank Parnell: I have no doubt we're being visited, because of experiences i've had.

Would you care to share? I've seen and heard a few unexplainable things in my time, but I've always been hoping for one which I couldn't rationalize away. I love UFO/alien encounter stories, and am going to check out the documentaries on your profile when I've got the time, but if you'd be inclined to share yours, I'd love to hear it. Even if by email.


His experiences are watching shows on the History and Sci-Fi Channels.
 
2013-03-29 12:16:20 PM  

Psycat: Why, of all the countless thousands of UFO photographs, there's not a single one where there's a sharp image of the actual gear on the spaceship?  Some UFO reports have the things floating above a city for minutes--long enough for any professional photographers to run in their studio, grab a large-format camera, attach a zoom lens, and get a damn sharp image already.  And with all the powerful digital cameras out there, why the blurry photos of objects that look like some hubcap flung in the air?

I think I know the obvious answer:  the Bavarian Illuminati, along with the reverse vampires, created a magical ray that blurs photos of UFOs.  SOLVED!


It's probably because most sightings aren't the saucer type, but balls of light moving at exceptional speed with bizarre flight characteristics. Same description as the "foo fighters" seen in world war 2
 
2013-03-29 02:09:45 PM  

Somaticasual: It's probably because most sightings aren't the saucer type, but balls of light moving at exceptional speed with bizarre flight characteristics. Same description as the "foo fighters" seen in world war 2


Or, you know, because it's made-up nonsense.
 
2013-03-30 12:30:37 AM  

gweilo8888: Somaticasual: It's probably because most sightings aren't the saucer type, but balls of light moving at exceptional speed with bizarre flight characteristics. Same description as the "foo fighters" seen in world war 2

Or, you know, because it's made-up nonsense.


Once upon a time the theory that the brain was the center of control for the body was considered "made up nonsense".
 
2013-03-30 03:07:35 AM  

Frederick: Once upon a time the theory that the brain was the center of control for the body was considered "made up nonsense".


Ah, the old "Just because some things people used to believe were wrong, we should believe everything is true and never apply rational thought" defense.

Tried, tested, and utterly moronic. Try harder next time.
 
2013-03-30 04:21:07 AM  

gweilo8888: Frederick: Once upon a time the theory that the brain was the center of control for the body was considered "made up nonsense".

Ah, the old "Just because some things people used to believe were wrong, we should believe everything is true and never apply rational thought" defense.

Tried, tested, and utterly moronic. Try harder next time.


You've got a lot of learning to do about logic.  For example, you've just created a strawman argument (bolded).  I merely correctly pointed out that sometimes things considered to be "made up nonsense" turns out to be correct.  The point being; an open mind is more constructive than a closed one.
 
2013-03-30 10:55:24 AM  

Frederick: You've got a lot of learning to do about logic.  For example, you've just created a strawman argument (bolded).  I merely correctly pointed out that sometimes things considered to be "made up nonsense" turns out to be correct.  The point being; an open mind is more constructive than a closed one.


And I've merely pointed out that proposing we shouldn't question things that fly in the face of all available logic because sometimes people have been wrong about completely unrelated things that are actually quite logical in the past is utter nonsense.

Only a vacuous idiot would believe in UFOs and alien visitors, because there is not a single level on which they make sense. The very laws that almost guarantee the existence of independently-evolved life on other planets around other stars in other galaxies also almost guarantee that life has never been anywhere near us.

But good job ignoring the obvious and whipping out words you only half-understand. I'm fine for you to continue spouting all the nonsense you like; this thread has aged out and you're on ignore anyway.
 
2013-03-30 02:29:27 PM  

gweilo8888: Frederick: You've got a lot of learning to do about logic.  For example, you've just created a strawman argument (bolded).  I merely correctly pointed out that sometimes things considered to be "made up nonsense" turns out to be correct.  The point being; an open mind is more constructive than a closed one.

And I've merely pointed out that proposing we shouldn't question things that fly in the face of all available logic because sometimes people have been wrong about completely unrelated things that are actually quite logical in the past is utter nonsense.

Only a vacuous idiot would believe in UFOs and alien visitors, because there is not a single level on which they make sense. The very laws that almost guarantee the existence of independently-evolved life on other planets around other stars in other galaxies also almost guarantee that life has never been anywhere near us.

But good job ignoring the obvious and whipping out words you only half-understand. I'm fine for you to continue spouting all the nonsense you like; this thread has aged out and you're on ignore anyway.


I hate to tell you, but even if you count the numerous "unidentified" sightings of the B2 stealth bomber when it was being tested, UFOs exist.

Whether or not they're aliens is a different question. And I can tell you that something's up there being tested. I saw one of the ball type, traversing the night sky at a speed probably 10x of a traditional aircraft (and faster than a shooting star). It covered the night sky in 1.5 seconds, along a flightpath that commercial planes take around 10 to 15 seconds to cover (at what, 500 to 700 mph?). It was faster than an SR-71 if you scaled the speeds up, yet completely silent. And before you assume, no - it wasn't a shooting star, i've seen several of those and they were a lot slower since they were higher altitudes.And calling folks "Vacuous idiots" really just makes it look like you're resorting to childish name calling defensively. Let your counter arguments stand on their own merit - and if they don't stand, don't make them.And for the record, I'm more inclined to assume they're electromagnetic craft developed by either the russians or the americans during the early cold war, not little green men.  They clearly don't use widely known propulsion methods, since they don't leave a contrail or an audible signature (well, one that reaches the ground anyhow. Even a sphere should have a little air rushing by..)

There are hundreds of these sightings per month, by people of all levels of credibility and stature in society. And we have to assume that only a small percentage will report them. Check mufon.org, etc.

Summary:
Just because you don't believe in something, or have never witnessed it personally, that doesn't mean you're right any more than it would make me right to assume it was aliens.
 
2013-03-30 08:22:08 PM  

gweilo8888: Frederick: You've got a lot of learning to do about logic.  For example, you've just created a strawman argument (bolded).  I merely correctly pointed out that sometimes things considered to be "made up nonsense" turns out to be correct.  The point being; an open mind is more constructive than a closed one.

And I've merely pointed out that proposing we shouldn't question things that fly in the face of all available logic because sometimes people have been wrong about completely unrelated things that are actually quite logical in the past is utter nonsense.

Only a vacuous idiot would believe in UFOs and alien visitors, because there is not a single level on which they make sense. The very laws that almost guarantee the existence of independently-evolved life on other planets around other stars in other galaxies also almost guarantee that life has never been anywhere near us.

But good job ignoring the obvious and whipping out words you only half-understand. I'm fine for you to continue spouting all the nonsense you like; this thread has aged out and you're on ignore anyway.


What nonsense did I spout?  Was it where I stated things once thought nonsense turned out to be correct?  Or that an open mind is more constructive than a closed one?  Or that you created a strawman through hyperbole?

People may believe what they wish -you're a dick about it though.
 
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