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(Yahoo)   The FBI would like to clarify that the recently discovered memo sent to Hoover in 1950 which stated that three flying saucers with pilots inside crashed near Roswell NM, in no way means that flying saucers crashed near Roswell NM, no sir, no how   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 275
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2013-03-27 06:26:25 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Danger Avoid Death: Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.

What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.

Absolutely, and his mother-in-loaw was basically inviting the FBI to come have a talk with her.


And by talk you mean tasering.
 
2013-03-27 06:28:12 PM  

Sticky Hands: moos: nature abhors a vacuum.

so does my wife.
so does my wife.


Some of us know better.
 
2013-03-27 06:37:52 PM  

mbillips: Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.


That's exactly why they did publish it.  To make you think that they thought it was a bunch of BS and never panned out.  Why else would they have published it?
 
2013-03-27 06:38:11 PM  

mbillips: Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.


What better way to deny something than make it public?
 
2013-03-27 06:41:16 PM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.


That's just what they want you to believe.  It's all one vast conspiracy.  I would tell you more, but  it takes far too long, so I wrote it down in book form, and I give plenty of lectures on the ufo conspiracy conference circuit.

/available for $49.95 where fine kook books are sold
 
2013-03-27 06:41:33 PM  

moos: nature abhors a vacuum.


The rise of alien activity coincides with the decline of angelic intervention.
 
2013-03-27 06:44:19 PM  

professor_tom: I saw this on Fox News in the 50s.


Not sure if serious
/ or delirious
 
2013-03-27 06:47:35 PM  

mbillips: Hey, if anyone wants to start a political party based on disbelief in conspiracy theories, count me in. I'm pretty tolerant about most opinions all across the left-right, libertarian-communitarian spectrum (I may disagree with you, but I respect your right to conceive and hold your opinion), but farking tinfoil hatters make me want to bite somebody.

Our arch-foes are Truthers, Birthers, all Glenn Beck and Alex Jones fans, and that biatch Jenny McCarthy. Our main platform is to ensure that nothing they want ever gets included in legislation or executive action.


So, basically, you and others would work together to ensure that these people are suppressed? This is just a theory, but wouldn't that be a conspiracy?
 
2013-03-27 06:48:59 PM  

Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.


I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf
 
2013-03-27 06:49:42 PM  

Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.


Lollol.  I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.
 
2013-03-27 06:49:58 PM  

big pig peaches: Great. I clicked on the link which took me to the FBI archive page. Now I'm officially on the government's "whack jobs list".


Breaking News :  You've been on that list since ( checks profile ) 08-07-2007.
 
2013-03-27 06:53:49 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-27 06:54:20 PM  
In before someone signs off with "wake up, sheeple!"

/醒来羊人!
 
2013-03-27 07:00:28 PM  
forgetomori.com
dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2013-03-27 07:02:57 PM  
Look, there are no aliens.  We're the only ones in the universe.  Period.

/some people actually believe this.
 
2013-03-27 07:03:20 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Silverstaff: If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Lollol.  I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.


Flippant example aside, he has a point. Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see? And what does that make them? Top Secret Actual President?

/it's JFK's head being kept alive in a jar
 
2013-03-27 07:04:50 PM  
This dude says they are Rhesus monkeys in cute little space suits!

i43.tower.com
 
2013-03-27 07:05:46 PM  

professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]


Hey, why does your vanity plate say "PROBE#1"?
 
2013-03-27 07:05:58 PM  

DanielElectro: This dude says they are Rhesus monkeys in cute little space suits!

[i43.tower.com image 200x301]


Science cannot move forward without heaps!
 
2013-03-27 07:07:22 PM  
Wow, I didn't realize some people take a fark UFO thread really seriously.
 
2013-03-27 07:07:26 PM  

Electromax: LordJiro: Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.

Yeah, I spose.

I would love for this to be true but I'm too skeptical to believe it. I will say that my brother in law used to work as an MP at Groom Lake AFB and he sort of grins when I asked about that but he DID say there was technology in there that he considered more advanced than the general public would be comfortable with so it hasn't been "unveiled" yet.

I've always taken this to mean things like military drones or bio weapons or surveillance tech, but he still refuses to talk about it to anyone due to clearance concerns or whatever. Most likely he's just pulling my leg but it's fun to daydream about.

/I always liked the Philadelphia Experiment rumors


I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics.  Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.

Now secret engineering projects are another matter.  But it's going to come in the form of as you say: drones, surveillance, stealth etc.   If you look at history, secret projects and places like groom lake have generally all been about stealthiness and surveillance:  spy planes, satellites, stealth bombers.
 
2013-03-27 07:09:40 PM  
AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


totally shopped I can tell by the pixels, Obligatory
 
2013-03-27 07:13:19 PM  

Rufus Lee King: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

About the same odds as drawing a royal fizbin.

[www.startrekdb.se image 320x240]


Oh my, 10 innernets for that call back.
 
2013-03-27 07:15:31 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.

For putting that image in my head you just became my favorite person in the whole world.


I'm a simple servant of the people. *bows*
 
2013-03-27 07:18:30 PM  
A lot of people say that aliens first landed in Roswell, but that's bullroar.  It was Blaine, Missouri, and there were several eyewitnesses:

"They took me off into a separate room; I seen 'em takin' different people off; different ones of us off in separate rooms and put me on a big white table and uh the guy that took me in there - to examine me I guess - he probed me and then I was in there I bet more than three or four hours, in that room, being probed and at one time or another these different ones of 'em came in, four or five or six of 'em at different times, and all of 'em probed me, uh, not all at once, you know, individually. Later on, years later, now, even still, uh, it's a funny thing - it happened on a Sunday and every Sunday about the time I was taken on board that ship I - find I have no feelings in my buttocks."


And there were phenomenal after-effects of the crop circle they left behind as well:

I've been coming to this circle for about five years, and measuring it. The diameter and the circumference are constantly changing, but the radius stays the same. Which brings me to the number 5. There are five letters in the word Blaine. Now, if you mix up the letters in the word Blaine, mix 'em around, eventually, you'll come up with Nebali. Nebali. The name of a planet in a galaxy way, way, way... way far away. And another thing. Once you go into that circle, the weather never changes. It is always 67 degrees with a 40% chance of rain. Always.
 
2013-03-27 07:20:38 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?

Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


So your saying there's a chance?

Beej from Scarlett that is, Aliens I don't really care about.
 
2013-03-27 07:22:17 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.


Well, when you say something that contradicts all established Federal law, regulations and policy on a subject matter in such a way that it sounds absurd to somebody with professional knowledge of the subject, asking for a citation is appropriate.

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?


While it is possible for somebody to create a SCI compartment and then try to keep it so tight that nobody even knows the compartment exists, the problem comes when the President would have an actual need-to-know for the issue.  He might not have to be briefed on it so he wouldn't know to ask about this little black program, but if it's actually relevant to him, trying to hide it is a Very Bad Idea.  Legally, the President decides, through delegated authority of the Director of National Intelligence and other Original Classification Authorities (OCA's), who can see what with regards to ALL classified information in the US.  (See also Executive Orders 13526 and 12333, DoD Instruction 5210.87, DoD Directive 5210.55 and Intelligence Community Directive 704, as well as the National Security Act of 1947),

Look at it this way, who would have the legal authority to classify information in a way the POTUS couldn't see?  Everybody who has the legal authority to classify that information derives that authority as delegated by the POTUS through Executive Orders.  Nobody has the authority to classify ANYTHING without POTUS approval (even if highly delegated).
 
2013-03-27 07:34:56 PM  

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?


www.homevideos.com

/shouldn't be that obscure
 
2013-03-27 07:35:29 PM  
The 1947 saucers were, in reality, the original drones. The occupants were genetically engineered human-chimp hybrids. They were created and trained not only to pilot the craft but since they weren't really human, they were eminently disposable.

Considering that most US aerospace and biological tech came directly out of the minds and efforts of captured Nazi scientists, this is not much of a stretch.
 
2013-03-27 07:39:34 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


What movie did they say that in? ID4? MiB?  I remember hearing that and laughing at the thought that the Commander in Chief wouldn't have a high enough clearance for ANYTHING.
 
2013-03-27 07:39:56 PM  
Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.
 
2013-03-27 07:40:39 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

[www.homevideos.com image 266x176]

/shouldn't be that obscure


OMFG Is that from Dreamscape????
 
2013-03-27 07:43:16 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.

Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.

I saw "Independence Day". There are some things the President is not allowed to know.

/Like the proper spelling of Earf


In the movie, the SECDEF who was a former DCI who had deliberately withheld this information from the POTUS was fired as soon as the POTUS found it convenient in the midst of the crisis.

Will Smith actually enunciates "Earth" perfectly.
 
2013-03-27 07:44:06 PM  
Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a tranny?
 
2013-03-27 07:49:11 PM  

Silverstaff: ThrobblefootSpectre: Lollol. I suppose if I said "Two nuns and a gorilla walked into a bar, and the bartender says..." you would stop me and ask for a citation.

Well, when you say something that contradicts all established Federal law, regulations and policy on a subject matter in such a way that it sounds absurd to somebody with professional knowledge of the subject, asking for a citation is appropriate.

Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

While it is possible for somebody to create a SCI compartment and then try to keep it so tight that nobody even knows the compartment exists, the problem comes when the President would have an actual need-to-know for the issue.  He might not have to be briefed on it so he wouldn't know to ask about this little black program, but if it's actually relevant to him, trying to hide it is a Very Bad Idea.  Legally, the President decides, through delegated authority of the Director of National Intelligence and other Original Classification Authorities (OCA's), who can see what with regards to ALL classified information in the US.  (See also Executive Orders 13526 and 12333, DoD Instruction 5210.87, DoD Directive 5210.55 and Intelligence Community Directive 704, as well as the National Security Act of 1947),

Look at it this way, who would have the legal authority to classify information in a way the POTUS couldn't see?  Everybody who has the legal authority to classify that information derives that authority as delegated by the POTUS through Executive Orders.  Nobody has the authority to classify ANYTHING without POTUS approval (even if highly delegated).


Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?
 
2013-03-27 07:50:29 PM  
I like to listen to the awesome Mysterious Universe podcast while I'm working, and they cover alien and UFO stories. My favorite was a fellow who had been abducted in the middle of the night for all kinds of kinky alien experimentation.

Apparently the alien scientists screw with your head to keep you calm while the do whatever they do with their human subjects. It's some kind of mental sedation that makes the whole experience dream-like and hard to recall.

Anyway, one thing this guy did distinctly remember was asking them what planet they were from, and then overhearing them laughing amongst themselves about his question: "He thinks we're aliens. Lol."

Who knows what they are?
 
2013-03-27 07:51:14 PM  

Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a tranny?


Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(
 
2013-03-27 07:52:05 PM  

reimanr06: Would a sitting president have the power to classify things so that future presidents couldn't see it?


Only if he kept sitting on it, I suppose.
 
2013-03-27 07:53:12 PM  
FTFA: Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.

Oh great, now we'll be hearing from the conspiracy fruitcakes that this is proof the government is hiding information about aliens from the public. Herp a derp derp derp.

I'm sure this seems all scary and fantastical but the true explanation is really quite mundane.  The saucers were simply high altitude weather balloons. The small bodies were simply chimpanzees in pressurized flight suits. This was nothing more than a simple test of high altitude flight suits using chimpanzees as test subjects. The balloons crashed and the chimps died. It was all just one big, mundane, secret experiment of terrestrial origin conducted by the apes so they could establish their secret space base on Mars. Nothing to see folks, move along.
 
2013-03-27 07:56:36 PM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


Actually it is documented that there was testing of aeroshells over at White Sands Missile Range. It is an easy hop over the mountains for a stray vehicle.
 
2013-03-27 07:57:15 PM  
Captain Steroid: Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a tranny?

Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(


If you say so, I dislike him because he was a fascist, I don't really care if he liked to wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:04 PM  

Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Oldiron_79: Captain Steroid: Hoover was a fascist transvestite, and I hope he rots in Hell.

Because he was a fascist or because he was a tranny?

Fascist transvestites are the worst transvestites. :-(

If you say so, I dislike him because he was a fascist, I don't really care if he liked to wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra.


Or that he was a lumberjack.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:07 PM  

Via Infinito: AdolfOliverPanties: Electromax: Who decides what the President isn't allowed to see?

[www.homevideos.com image 266x176]

/shouldn't be that obscure

OMFG Is that from Dreamscape????


Yup.  "You ever run into a smooth, corporate type by the name of Bob Blair?  He's in charge of it.  Presidents come and go, Bob Blair stays."

/or something like that.
 
2013-03-27 07:59:21 PM  
s9.postimg.org

Truman: Nerks to this space crab! If we want information, we'll have to do us an old-fashioned alien autopsy!

Zoidberg: Hooray!
 
2013-03-27 08:01:40 PM  
False. Zoidberg.
 
2013-03-27 08:06:22 PM  

Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.


At the national archives annex in college park MD there is a document from 1917 that you are not allowed to see  because to this day it is classified top secret
 
2013-03-27 08:07:47 PM  
Just yesterday I watched an excellent indie sci-fi film called Lunopolis that rolls lots of conspiracy theories up into a pretty awesome knot. Highly recommended. Netflix is streaming it.
 
2013-03-27 08:11:11 PM  
forgetomori.com

Why is it every last picture of an alien/UFO/Bigfoot etc. is always some blurry, grainy, poorly lit POS?

When I was a kid back in the 70s I had a cheap 110 instamatic camera that I would run around and snap pictures with. Seeing as I was a kid my parents only bought me the cheapest brand of film available and the camera had scratches and dirt inside and out, but even that crappy old camera took pictures 100% better than these.
 
2013-03-27 08:11:17 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


I love how the aliens have technology to travel across vast interstellar distances but they still don't have anything better to close up their space suits than a good ol' common earth zipper.
 
2013-03-27 08:12:07 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: I don't think there's any secret tech out there that breaks the publicly known laws of physics. Universities employ the most knowledgeable physicists who rely on worldwide networks of publications and seminars to make miniscule advancements, so there's little chance that something like antigravity, teleportation and various other technology that requires great nobel prize winning physics leaps exists in secret.


Without touching the issue of the actual existance of UFOs, it is scientific hubris to rule out unknown forces. Think about this - we're only just establishing and proving the existence of basic subatomic particles - something that you'd assume would have been part of our earliest findings in physics. We just lacked the methods and technology to observe them.
 
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