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(Yahoo)   The FBI would like to clarify that the recently discovered memo sent to Hoover in 1950 which stated that three flying saucers with pilots inside crashed near Roswell NM, in no way means that flying saucers crashed near Roswell NM, no sir, no how   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 275
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2013-03-27 05:21:36 PM  
mbillips:
Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.

To be fair it's how conspiracy theories work.
 
2013-03-27 05:22:13 PM  
Well I learned that the 'high-powered radar' theory of the Roswell crash goes back at least to 1950.

Other than that, there's nothing of interest here. Just same old same old stories.
 
2013-03-27 05:24:05 PM  

maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!



www.extremetech.com
 
2013-03-27 05:24:29 PM  

The_Sponge: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


It's still real to me, damn it!

*Sniff*


i.imgur.com

Also...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-27 05:25:07 PM  

professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]


That's just the Astrodome's Rhumba.
 
2013-03-27 05:25:07 PM  
Hey, if anyone wants to start a political party based on disbelief in conspiracy theories, count me in. I'm pretty tolerant about most opinions all across the left-right, libertarian-communitarian spectrum (I may disagree with you, but I respect your right to conceive and hold your opinion), but farking tinfoil hatters make me want to bite somebody.

Our arch-foes are Truthers, Birthers, all Glenn Beck and Alex Jones fans, and that biatch Jenny McCarthy. Our main platform is to ensure that nothing they want ever gets included in legislation or executive action.
 
2013-03-27 05:26:11 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: professor_tom: maniacbastard: Lsherm: Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

I'm not a UFO fan but an aerospace engineer, the shape of some UFOs would make them good reentry vehicles if their undersides are smooth and spherical.

Jus' sayin!


[www.extremetech.com image 850x674]

That's just the Astrodome's Rhumba.


Er, Roomba.
 
2013-03-27 05:26:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


I want to believe, but I can't believe aliens created ykk style zippers independently of humanity.
 
2013-03-27 05:27:11 PM  
Hey April 1st isn't here yet. WTH?
 
2013-03-27 05:29:35 PM  
For real people?

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4079 -  Aliens in Roswell
What was actually recovered from the Roswell desert in New Mexico in 1947?


tl;dr Podcast -  http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4079.mp3
 
2013-03-27 05:29:47 PM  
I love my dead gay alien son.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-03-27 05:32:31 PM  

caddisfly: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]

I want to believe, but I can't believe aliens created ykk style zippers independently of humanity.


They had help from the Amish.
 
2013-03-27 05:41:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-27 05:42:57 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


i dunno, for atmospheric flight a saucer form makes some sense. shaped right it's a lifting body. it's a low aspect-ratio shape, so inherently stable near stall speed. reasonably nimble plan-form with easily modeled fluid-flow.

a little awkward from a mechanical layout standpoint but fuel/air tanks can take on many shapes. maneuvering would be wonky but if you use a reaction system not so bad.
 
2013-03-27 05:43:44 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Inter-dimensional rather than interstellar makes more logical sense to me.
 
2013-03-27 05:45:24 PM  
The FBI should put up billboards, TV and radio ads and web advertisements on popular sites saying that there is no coverup of space aliens, just to clarify.
 
2013-03-27 05:47:55 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Hollywood described UFO's that way because the initial UFO reports described them as such, like the "foo fighters" of World War II lore that stalked military pilots.  Modern UFO sightings really got started during WWII of reports by military pilots of disc-shaped craft that could perform impossible maneuvers, fly vastly faster than them, and seemed to be there to observe since they never seemed to directly engage either axis or allied forces.
 
2013-03-27 05:48:05 PM  

flynn80: Lsherm: I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

Inter-dimensional rather than interstellar makes more logical sense to me.


You have one of those Crystal Skulls, don't you?
 
2013-03-27 05:48:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


I have pictures too!!

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wouldn't mind exploring HER heavenly body, if you know what i mean...
 
2013-03-27 05:53:09 PM  

PainInTheASP: .simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."


Why investigation sometime like this? Not the least bit interesting. Doesn't appear to be a crime here. No communists to hang. Could not possibly affect National Security or anything.

Yawn, just boring everyday stuff..
 
2013-03-27 05:54:39 PM  
I have a couple easy tests to help me discern whether the person I'm talking to is a bonafide crack-pot or not.  First, I ask them if they think aliens landed at Roswell.  If they say yes, I walk away.  If they say no, I ask them if they believe George W. Bush conspired with the federal government to blow up the World Trade Center so he'd have an excuse to invade Iraq and avenge his daddy issues.  If they say yes, I away.

That tells me what kind of bonafide crack-pot I was working with.  Your garden variety nutter or your criminally insane nutter.
 
2013-03-27 05:58:00 PM  
I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.
 
2013-03-27 05:58:10 PM  

Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?   Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.


Are you a super advanced alien being that has mastered inter galactic space travel. Didn't think so.  Maybe they know more about aerodynamics and space travel than you.
 
2013-03-27 06:00:53 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.


Next you'll be telling us they probably can't speak English either.
 
2013-03-27 06:01:07 PM  

LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.


So you're telling me theres a chance?
 
2013-03-27 06:01:34 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


Nice big zipper on that alien's suit.  They are truly advanced.
 
2013-03-27 06:02:26 PM  
meyerkev:  they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.

Yep, totally. Well apart from the "Nazi" thing. It was Brits and Canadians, with US military funding.

And the "flying" bit is a little misleading -- they flew after a fashion. Which is to say, several feet off the ground. They couldn't get out of ground effect while retaining stable flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

Or are you referring to the Vought XF5U? I'm guessing not, because really it looked nothing like a flying saucer, but it's the next nearest thing. And it never really flew at all. It just taxied and tried to shake itself to pieces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_XF5U

FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..
 
2013-03-27 06:04:49 PM  

eggrolls: Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!


It was invented by a Vulcan, to help a poor kid afford college.
 
2013-03-27 06:06:06 PM  
Fake. It was a joke memo created by bored government workers.

Actually a very common past time back before computers & the Internet.
 
2013-03-27 06:06:09 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


Nothing worse than a leaky potus.
 
2013-03-27 06:07:13 PM  
Probably just a weather balloon.

img120.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-27 06:07:25 PM  

Radak: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.

Next you'll be telling us they probably can't speak English either.


Klaatu barada nikto.
 
2013-03-27 06:08:00 PM  

More of the Same: LordJiro: The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical.

So you're telling me theres a chance?


Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....
 
2013-03-27 06:08:10 PM  

Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.


Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.
 
2013-03-27 06:10:51 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.


What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.
 
2013-03-27 06:11:02 PM  

eggrolls: Oh yeah?  Then YOU explain how one day we suddenly had Velcro!


And tang.  And drink mix too.
 
2013-03-27 06:11:27 PM  
That alien looks like someone who died in a space capsule, landed on earth after crashing, then had decomposition gases bloat his face all up. Isn't that a zipper in the photo as well?

Maybe the "alien" is a Soviet cosmonaut or even American astronaut from a secret Cold War black ops space project that went bad.
 
2013-03-27 06:13:32 PM  

meyerkev: Lsherm: I don't buy it.  Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s?    A flying saucer?  Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide.  Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name
//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.


All my research indicates the same.  Biggest incentive for coverup was anti-soviet research in aeronautics and radar/sonar.
 
2013-03-27 06:15:02 PM  

Matthew Keene: I love my dead gay alien son.

[www.blogcdn.com image 180x285]


"Oh sure, try the big newspapers.  They get lucky sometimes.  But the tabloids have the best investigative journalism on the planet."
 
2013-03-27 06:16:20 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.


For putting that image in my head you just became my favorite person in the whole world.
 
2013-03-27 06:16:55 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Caffandtranqs: Delawheredad: My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!
Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Sounds like she was either fearless or a operating with a few screws loose.  Having contact with the FBI seems like a nightmare to me.

What you really want to avoid is the FBI having contact with you.


Absolutely, and his mother-in-loaw was basically inviting the FBI to come have a talk with her.
 
2013-03-27 06:17:15 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x238]
[forgetomori.com image 500x596]


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I am Boxxy
 
2013-03-27 06:18:32 PM  
gweilo8888:
FTFA's comments: "there's so much blotted out on the stuff they did release, it makes them look guilty. j allen hynek was put in charge of debunking ufo sightings back in the 60s. in the end, he confirmed it and said there were some sightings he couldn't explain. 100 million galaxies times 100 million stars each, if you do the math its a 10 with 20 zeros "

Oh, shiat. The tinfoil hat brigade's out in force again.

Yes, the number of galaxies, stars, and planets makes it a near-certainty life has evolved independently in other places too. I'll even grant you that it's reasonably likely that there are more evolved civilizations than our own, capable of long-distance, manned (aliened?) space travel.

However, that very same number of galaxies, stars, and planets also makes it a near-certainty that they've never been anywhere near us. There are just too many other planets for them to have travelled to -- heck, even to have catalogued and hoped to one day travel to -- for them to have noticed and decided it was worth visiting our own.

And it's far more likely that they're in a similar situation to us, with space travel largely unmanned and relatively rare, because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations..



 However, the chances are that the "aliens" weren't saddled with stories of a sociopath for a god and his son didn't walk on water and thus didn't go through dark ages for 1000 years. They probably didn't have an economic system as flawed as capitalism for as long as we've had it and actually used the advancement in techonology to pursue scientific advances instead of short term profits.

If you put that in your equation I think you'll find that we have aliens living amongs us right now.
 
2013-03-27 06:20:02 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Your chances of getting a blowjob from Scarlett Johansen are better.  Just sayin....


I repeat...You're saying there's a chance?
 
2013-03-27 06:20:11 PM  
gweilo8888: because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations.

</sarcasm>I am glad to know we know all there is to know about  physics.</sarcasm>
in less than 200 years we went from horse and buggy to walking on the Moon and sending robots to Mars. Do you really believe that a race 200, 2000 or even 20000 years advanced beyond us would fail to accomplish stuff that would seem, like magic to us?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.Arthur C. Clarke
 
2013-03-27 06:22:01 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm still wondering where the security leak happened. Neither the director of the fbi nor the potus has high enough clearance for this.


Not sure if serious.

The idea that the POTUS doesn't have "high enough clearance" for something is pretty ridiculous.  Between federal regulations (32 C.F.R. 2001), and Executive Order 13526, POTUS has ultimate legal authority regarding classification, including deciding who gets access.

If you've got information saying that a sitting POTUS (or military aide working directly on his behalf, i.e. someone with Yankee White Category 1 access per DoD Instruction 5210.87 and DoD Directive 5210.55 ) explicitly does not have permission to access information in a specific SCI compartment when they have a Need To Know, I'd love to see your citation on that.

Yeah, in practice there are compartments with only a handful of people having access and the POTUS is not briefed on. . .but that's not because he doesn't have  "high enough clearance", it's because there is a shiatload of things going on and he isn't personally aware of them all, no one person has enough time in the day to know everything that's going on.  If it ever became important enough to warrant his personal attention, you better bet your ass he's got clearance for it.  Just try to actively withhold something from a sitting President saying he doesn't have clearance for it, and watch the quick and painful end of your government career.
 
2013-03-27 06:22:17 PM  

big pig peaches: Great. I clicked on the link which took me to the FBI archive page. Now I'm officially on the government's "whack jobs list".


Don't sweat it. We're all on the list.
 
2013-03-27 06:23:00 PM  
There's a bunch of people in these parts that believe in the crash and the ensuing cover up.  I find it fascinating.
 
2013-03-27 06:24:59 PM  
Don't be ridiculous.

Their ships weren't saucer shaped.

www.moviecatcher.net
 
2013-03-27 06:26:19 PM  

runner_one: gweilo8888: because they would face the same rules of physics that we do -- rules that make the energy required to get large numbers of space craft out of orbit too prohibitively expensive for it to be worthwhile on a regular basis, and doubly so for long-distance manned travel that requires not only the individuals but everything required to keep them alive for months, years, or generations.

</sarcasm>I am glad to know we know all there is to know about  physics.</sarcasm>
in less than 200 years we went from horse and buggy to walking on the Moon and sending robots to Mars. Do you really believe that a race 200, 2000 or even 20000 years advanced beyond us would fail to accomplish stuff that would seem, like magic to us?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.Arthur C. Clarke



In The Right Stuff Chuck Yeager says of the sound barrier, "If you ask me, I don't think the thing even exists."  I'm of that opinion about obstacles to FTL flight.  Screw Einstein.  He didn't know everything.  He got divorced and married his cousin.  Are you really going to take the word of that man putting limits on you?
 
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