If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Engadget)   Good: Netflix announces original sci-fi series. Bad: Produced by the people behind the Matrix sequels. Great: And also produced by the guy responsible for Babylon 5   (engadget.com) divider line 109
    More: Cool, Netflix, matrix, PR Newswire, J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon, Wachowskis, Sense8 HD, Speed Racer  
•       •       •

3950 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 27 Mar 2013 at 12:55 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



109 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-03-28 12:22:32 AM
The production of the Matrix sequels wasn't the problem. Nor was the direction, mostly.

It was the writing. And slightly the directing.
 
2013-03-28 12:38:45 AM

ryant123: Hebalo: Blathering Idjut: Genre television can be campy or it can be well-done but what it can't be is boring.  The problem with Babylon 5 was the same problem that Smallville had- boring, poorly written television only slightly less melodramatic than Mexican soap operas.

Listen, you can call JMS to task for many things, but boring isn't on that list. Last night I (re)watched an episode of B5 where a couple of Earth Alliance cruisers squared off against a couple of others, with B5 in the middle. When the carnage began, my first thought was "Star Trek would never do this, and if they did, it would suck totally, and be resolved five minutes later."

If you think multi season arcs, well plotted stories, and characters that actually grow and change are boring, you might want to stick to shows like Glee.

I dunno a thing about B5, but I do know that that DS9 had plenty of carnage. The station was under enemy occupation for like half a season.


DS9 didn't have Doctor Bashere bent over a long row of body bags, identifying each body one by one, after the battle is over.
 
2013-03-28 12:53:36 AM

Mad_Radhu: COMALite J: ristst: COMALite J: According to JMS, TNT wanted Crusade to be.....

Excellent post.  I had written a long reply about the novels and for some reason the system decided it would not be posted.  But yours is much better.

I did mention The Shadow Within and To Dream in the City of Sorrows as great backstory novels.  And the Technomage Trilogy does reveal who the mages are and where they got their "powers".

But I never did read the Centauri Novels.

/sorry Peter David....just never got around to it I guess

You really should. At least one reasonably major and popular character from the series is killed outright that we did not expect to die, and it shows just how Londo got from having the Keeper forced on him to keeping his foreordained final appointment with G'Kar. Getting to see the events that led to Sheridan's B4 flash-forward, and the flash-forward itself, in "real time," is a blast. And, Peter David is a quite good writer who has a decent handle on the characters (given that he wrote two B5 episodes, including one focusing on Londo and the other heavily featuring him, this should come as no surprise).

Have you read the DC comics?


EponymousCowHerd: Silverstaff: xanadian: BafflerMeal: I look forward to JMS getting bored about 2/3 the way through and phoning in a contractually obligated ending.

i.e. Babylon 5, Season 5.

:/

Yup, Season 1 of B5 was slow and full of misfires.  Some really good episodes like Mind War and Midnight on the Firing Line. . .and some stinkers like TKO, and an awful lot of mediocre entries like Grail and Legacies.

Seasons 2 through 4 were incredible, some of the best TV sci-fi ever done.  However, since he'd written it to end in Season 4 because of the pending cancellation, Season 5 was pretty much filler that could be skipped (or at least could have been condensed down to a miniseries-level.  Plots that should have been 1 or 2 episodes like the telepath colony took much of the season).
ee;
I don't think it's JMS's fault t ...


Yes, that would have been so awesome. They would have also probably expanded all the stuff on Mars going on. I always enjoyed those episodes, it allowed us to see more of how humans lived beyond Babylon 5.

If B5 is ever remade, I hope they would expand that stuff.
 
2013-03-28 01:45:48 AM

Myria: There is a surprising lack of transgender hate in this thread.  Am I on the wrong Fark.com?


Your in a science fiction thread and not in the main or politics tab with the bonus of nothing obvious to attract the haters unless they happened to know about it -- and I don't think that most people do.

Seriously someone I knew today mentioned how little of that anti-gay hate appears in the SF cons and we live in a rather homophobic state.
 
2013-03-28 02:00:18 AM

realmolo: And J. Michael Straczynski is a hack. "Babylon 5" was tedious dreck, and his other stuff is even worse.


I can understand someone not liking B5, but hack certainly does not describe JMS.   A hack is someone who does not care about the quality of what he produces.  It is pretty damn clear that JMS does care about what he does.

In the end, he can be fairly uneven in his writing.  He can write something utterly beautiful and mind blowing one minute and then write crap the next.  This main thing which he could improve on is dialogue.  He did do a lot of interesting stuff on B5.
 
2013-03-28 08:18:08 AM

MaxxLarge: Donnchadha: Little known fact -- the guys behind the Matrix sequels were also the guys behind the original Matrix.

Even more little-known fact: The guys behind The Matrix aren't even both "guys" anymore.

Gonna leave out the CSB, but sadly, Straczynski is sort of a dick.


If you've been farked over like he has by the networks time and time again, you've be sort of a dick, too.

Although, given just how much ego is on the set with both JMS and the  Wachowskis, I have no idea how this is going to turn out.  Maybe they've had enough ups and downs to actually be friendly to each other.
 
2013-03-28 08:54:33 AM

Arcanaloth: 2CountyFairs: So the name of the show is going to be Sense8? When saying the title outloud, the only thing I can think of is:

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 659x735]
Actually, a show with Monte Cook as a writer and with Tony DiTerlizzi lending a hand to set and costume design would be interesting...to me, anyway.


hi


Ha! Nice.
 
2013-03-28 10:26:00 AM

COMALite J: You really should. At least one reasonably major and popular character from the series is killed outright that we did not expect to die, and it shows just how Londo got from having the Keeper forced on him to keeping his foreordained final appointment with G'Kar. Getting to see the events that led to Sheridan's B4 flash-forward, and the flash-forward itself, in "real time," is a blast. And, Peter David is a quite good writer who has a decent handle on the characters (given that he wrote two B5 episodes, including one focusing on Londo and the other heavily featuring him, this should come as no surprise).

Have you read the DC comics?


Are you talking about In Valen's Name (think that's it)?  If so, yes.  Some great additional details about Sinclair's life in the past.

But I recall reading that it's hard to find copies of the Centauri novels.  Has that changed?
 
2013-03-28 11:21:42 AM

DjangoStonereaver: I have not read Harlan's version directly, but have read summaries of it, and it was a great concept, but I agree that from what I've heard it would have been much better as a stand-alone story because of how little connection he had
with the established characters on the show.

Harlan's take, as I've pieced together, was that the pitch he got from Roddenberry was that he wanted STAR TREK to
be more akin to a TWILIGHT ZONE-style anthology, and he wrote accordingly. I don't think that Roddenberry actively
misled Harlan, but Gene could be a borderline con man at times, and while I don't think he actively decieved Harlan,
I am sure he definitely had no idea whose script he was doctoring when he basically rewrote it from the ground up.



Oh, they knew about it.  Bob Justman goes into great detail describing the situation in Inside Star Trek.  Which BTW is a GREAT read...especially the part where Justman says Gene R. started rolling his own "cigarettes"...!

Feel free to correct any details I may have in error.
Anyways, Harlan's first script had an Enterprise crewman dealing some kind of "space drug", and a chase scene led to the time travel.  Gene nixed that idea...he envisioned the crew as more noble types that would not be involved in that kind of thing.  Harlan railed, but eventually agreed to the rewrite.  Subsequent versions had an alien dog creature, which was too similar to The Enemy Within.  Another version had the Guardian(s) as giant statue-like creatures, and there was an actual city on the horizon, which explains the title of the episode.
The thing is, Harlan's story was just too expensive to film.  Justman and Solow reminded him they only had about $2 an episode as a budget, and they begged him to write something they could actually film.  Of course, Harlan was pissed....to the point where he threatened to make them use his Cordwainer Bird alias, which he reserved for those instances where his work was changed significantly (out of spite).
And in addition, the script was delayed......and delayed....and delayed.  They jumped through hoops to get him to submit the script, and when they finally did get a delivery it still could not be filmed.  So they rewrote it, and thus added all the character poignancy that relusted in so much love from the fans.
Harlan's book about it is quite funny.  But I'm inclined to believe Justman and Solow's version as the more accurate take...they weren't involved with all the petty squables and such that we mostly hear about.  They were trying to get the show produced and in the can.
 
Displayed 9 of 109 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report