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(Engadget)   Good: Netflix announces original sci-fi series. Bad: Produced by the people behind the Matrix sequels. Great: And also produced by the guy responsible for Babylon 5   (engadget.com) divider line 109
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2013-03-27 10:50:48 AM  
I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.
 
2013-03-27 10:57:48 AM  
Little known fact -- the guys behind the Matrix sequels were also the guys behind the original Matrix.

Ergo -- don't let them do any follow ups or spinoffs, and it'll be great.
 
2013-03-27 11:17:54 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.


It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.
 
2013-03-27 11:33:20 AM  

GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.


I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.
 
2013-03-27 11:33:47 AM  
We know who the Wachowskis and J. Michael Straczynski are.  I assumed subby was talking about some obscure producer.
 
2013-03-27 11:34:21 AM  
I'll give it a shot, because so far, Netflix has done a decent job on their series...
 
2013-03-27 11:59:50 AM  

Donnchadha: Little known fact -- the guys behind the Matrix sequels were also the guys behind the original Matrix.


Even more little-known fact: The guys behind The Matrix aren't even both "guys" anymore.

Gonna leave out the CSB, but sadly, Straczynski is sort of a dick.
 
2013-03-27 12:26:39 PM  
All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people, so unfortunately this thing will blow up after 2 seasons and the Internet will be ablaze with JMS supporters whining about how it was Netflix's fault for actually caring what kind of sinkhole they were pouring their money into and wanting to have a little say in the final product.
 
2013-03-27 12:32:12 PM  

MaxxLarge: Donnchadha: Little known fact -- the guys behind the Matrix sequels were also the guys behind the original Matrix.

Even more little-known fact: The guys behind The Matrix aren't even both "guys" anymore.

Gonna leave out the CSB, but sadly, Straczynski is sort of a dick.


So the one girl behind this was one of the guys behind the Matrix?
 
2013-03-27 12:53:49 PM  

serial_crusher: All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people


us.123rf.com
 
2013-03-27 12:57:40 PM  
Bad: the show will contain potassium benzoate.
 
2013-03-27 01:00:53 PM  
Sounds interesting! I look forward to wasting many hours on this.
 
2013-03-27 01:05:27 PM  

Donnchadha: Little known fact -- the guys behind the Matrix sequels were also the guys behind the original Matrix.

Ergo -- don't let them do any follow ups or spinoffs, and it'll be great.


Also, I like Speed Racer. It's not great cinema, but it's probably a perfect adaptation of the source material.
 
2013-03-27 01:07:12 PM  
Live action "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors"?

That would be awesome.
 
2013-03-27 01:08:00 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.

I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.


It's a little dated now, but the original British House of Cards had two sequel series:

To Play The King
The Final Cut.

Both are well worth seeking out.

/You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.
 
2013-03-27 01:08:45 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.

I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.


Because S1 was so restrained.
 
2013-03-27 01:10:24 PM  
The Wachowski's were also behind this movie, which I've seen described as "a witty slice of lesbian noir"

img.movieberry.com

/Good movie
//Possibly because I've had a crush on Jennifer Tilly since forever
 
2013-03-27 01:11:55 PM  

LucklessWonder: AnotherBluesStringer: GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.

I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.

It's a little dated now, but the original British House of Cards had two sequel series:

To Play The King
The Final Cut.

Both are well worth seeking out.

/You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.


That's actually quite reassuring.  I loved the hell out of House of Cards, but I was a bit worried about how a second season would be now that they're out of source material.  If there's still more for them to draw on, though, and the additional material is good too, it bodes well.
 
2013-03-27 01:11:57 PM  
Is that the one with Gary Baldy?
 
2013-03-27 01:13:35 PM  
Genre television can be campy or it can be well-done but what it can't be is boring.  The problem with Babylon 5 was the same problem that Smallville had- boring, poorly written television only slightly less melodramatic than Mexican soap operas.
 
2013-03-27 01:14:01 PM  
If nothing else, they're putting a lot of money into their budgets.   They spend something like $4 million per episode for House of Cards and are supposedly spending around the same for Eli Roth and Jenji Kohan's upcoming series.    They believe they don't have to spend the money on promotion and marketing shows that network TV spends, because they naturally funnel their subscribers to their content through the Recommendations.
 
2013-03-27 01:14:11 PM  
The first "Matrix" movie was pretty good. Nothing else the Wachowski's have done is worth bothering with. Well, "Bound" has some nice lesbian scenes, I guess.

And J. Michael Straczynski is a hack. "Babylon 5" was tedious dreck, and his other stuff is even worse.
 
2013-03-27 01:14:54 PM  
I look forward to JMS getting bored about 2/3 the way through and phoning in a contractually obligated ending.
 
2013-03-27 01:17:27 PM  

realmolo: And J. Michael Straczynski is a hack. "Babylon 5" was tedious dreck, and his other stuff is even worse.


Have you not see Walking Dead?  Tedious dreck is huge right now.
 
2013-03-27 01:18:02 PM  

serial_crusher: All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people, so unfortunately this thing will blow up after 2 seasons and the Internet will be ablaze with JMS supporters whining about how it was Netflix's fault for actually caring what kind of sinkhole they were pouring their money into and wanting to have a little say in the final product.


www.jmsnews.com

/biggest group of ass kissing toadies on the net
//also some of the easiest to rile
 
2013-03-27 01:18:08 PM  

Last Man on Earth: LucklessWonder: AnotherBluesStringer: GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.

I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.

It's a little dated now, but the original British House of Cards had two sequel series:

To Play The King
The Final Cut.

Both are well worth seeking out.

/You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

That's actually quite reassuring.  I loved the hell out of House of Cards, but I was a bit worried about how a second season would be now that they're out of source material.  If there's still more for them to draw on, though, and the additional material is good too, it bodes well.




They've already diverged from the UK version, and "To Play The King" hinges around a plot element that you couldn't do on a show based on US politics (basically, F.U. finds himself coming under increasingly vocal opposition from the new King, who they might as well have gone ahead and called "King Charles".)
 
2013-03-27 01:19:54 PM  

Last Man on Earth: LucklessWonder: AnotherBluesStringer: GAT_00: AnotherBluesStringer: I'll give it a shot. The original programming on Netflix hasn't let me down yet.

It's going to have a hard time matching House of Cards.

I really can't wait for season two. I have a feeling it's going to be insane.

It's a little dated now, but the original British House of Cards had two sequel series:

To Play The King
The Final Cut.

Both are well worth seeking out.

/You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

That's actually quite reassuring.  I loved the hell out of House of Cards, but I was a bit worried about how a second season would be now that they're out of source material.  If there's still more for them to draw on, though, and the additional material is good too, it bodes well.


Bear in mind these are British tv shows, so series length is incredibly brief. The original House of Cards was four 55-minute episodes. Both sequel series consist of four 50 minute episodes.

Not seen Netflix's house of cards yet, so i don't know if they dipped into the sequel series well. Also not sure how having Francis Urquhart in conflict with a freshly-crowned king would translate into American.
 
2013-03-27 01:21:57 PM  

BafflerMeal: I look forward to JMS getting bored about 2/3 the way through and phoning in a contractually obligated ending.


i.e. Babylon 5, Season 5.

:/
 
2013-03-27 01:22:30 PM  

InmanRoshi: realmolo: And J. Michael Straczynski is a hack. "Babylon 5" was tedious dreck, and his other stuff is even worse.

Have you not see Walking Dead?  Tedious dreck is huge right now.


I Can't Get Enough Tedious DreckTM.
 
2013-03-27 01:24:03 PM  

Donnchadha: So the one girl behind this was one of the guys behind the Matrix?


Yes, Larry Wachowski is now Lana Wachowski.

IIRC, she came out as transgendered circa 2004 (and even then it was more that it came out in matters related to a divorce, that this was apparently part of the cause of), and had her first real public appearance after transitioning last fall as a promo interview for the release of Cloud Atlas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAC2SOVXlb8

Since the Wachowskis are normally very media adverse (part of their contract for The Matrix was they didn't have to do ANY media appearances for it), the very fact that they did even this video was significant.  Even moreso as Lana's first appearance to the world after transitioning.
 
2013-03-27 01:27:58 PM  

xanadian: BafflerMeal: I look forward to JMS getting bored about 2/3 the way through and phoning in a contractually obligated ending.

i.e. Babylon 5, Season 5.

:/


Yup, Season 1 of B5 was slow and full of misfires.  Some really good episodes like Mind War and Midnight on the Firing Line. . .and some stinkers like TKO, and an awful lot of mediocre entries like Grail and Legacies.

Seasons 2 through 4 were incredible, some of the best TV sci-fi ever done.  However, since he'd written it to end in Season 4 because of the pending cancellation, Season 5 was pretty much filler that could be skipped (or at least could have been condensed down to a miniseries-level.  Plots that should have been 1 or 2 episodes like the telepath colony took much of the season).

Crusade stank out loud.  JMS says to this day it was due to TNT meddling, and while I'm inclined to believe him, given how obstinate he's known to be, I wonder how much of it was an absolute refusal to negotiate or compromise at all which lead to things getting worse.  Seeing what plots apparently were in store for later in Crusade, like the unfilmed but written episode about Bester in hiding as a wanted war criminal, and finding out where the technomages got their powers from would have been cool.
 
2013-03-27 01:37:40 PM  
What was bad about how the sequels were produced?  Written horribly, yeah the third one was.
 
2013-03-27 01:39:56 PM  
I liked the Matrix sequels. They should have been one movie instead of two, sure, and the ending was pretty bleh, but they were mostly entertaining and well-done.
 
2013-03-27 01:42:53 PM  

realmolo: The first "Matrix" movie was pretty good. Nothing else the Wachowski's have done is worth bothering with. Well, "Bound" has some nice lesbian scenes, I guess.

And J. Michael Straczynski is a hack. "Babylon 5" was tedious dreck, and his other stuff is even worse.


I enjoyed "V for Vendetta", and I've heard that "Cloud Atlas" is pretty good, though I haven't seen it.
I liked B5, though there were some episodes that were pretty sub-par (especially season 5).
 
2013-03-27 01:43:28 PM  
Great Maker..
 
2013-03-27 01:44:16 PM  
Anyone catch XIII: The Series? Thoughts?
 
2013-03-27 01:47:18 PM  

Silverstaff: Donnchadha: So the one girl behind this was one of the guys behind the Matrix?

Yes, Larry Wachowski is now Lana Wachowski.

IIRC, she came out as transgendered circa 2004 (and even then it was more that it came out in matters related to a divorce, that this was apparently part of the cause of), and had her first real public appearance after transitioning last fall as a promo interview for the release of Cloud Atlas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAC2SOVXlb8

Since the Wachowskis are normally very media adverse (part of their contract for The Matrix was they didn't have to do ANY media appearances for it), the very fact that they did even this video was significant.  Even moreso as Lana's first appearance to the world after transitioning.


If my name were on the other two Matrix films, I'd chop my penis off too.
 
2013-03-27 01:48:06 PM  

BafflerMeal: I look forward to JMS getting bored about 2/3 the way through and phoning in a contractually obligated ending.


He didn't even finish his craptastic runs on Wonder Woman and Superman before bailing. Both books markedly improved when he left, though they were still pretty mediocre.

The worst thing about Grounded was that it forced DC to clear the board and reset everything Superman-related before he started, which led to the horrible horrible rushed ending for the New Krypton saga that was otherwise pretty damn good on whole.
 
2013-03-27 01:50:15 PM  
I'm just here to biatch about the cancellation of Firefly
 
2013-03-27 01:52:10 PM  

Silverstaff: I wonder how much of it was an absolute refusal to negotiate or compromise at all which lead to things getting worse.  Seeing what plots apparently were in store for later in Crusade, like the unfilmed but written episode about Bester in hiding as a wanted war criminal, and finding out where the technomages got their powers from would have been cool.


Most of it.  JMS' douche-bagginess is well documented.  But to be fair, he was probably burned out from B5, and thus really wasn't hip to idea of running another show so soon.  But his vindictive personality (also very well documented) certainly played into the drama.

I saw the unproduced scripts some years back, and they did look interesting.

Technomages were fully covered in the Technomage Trilogy.  Bester's fate comprised the 3rd book in the Telepath Trilogy.  Very good reading with a TON of details.  The 2nd book in the Technomage series goes over the B5 ep "The Geometry of Shadows" with a fine-toothed comb.  What you see in the episode is only 1/3 of what actually is happening.  The Technomages leave little to chance in that story.
 
2013-03-27 01:52:47 PM  

FuturePastNow: I liked the Matrix sequels. They should have been one movie instead of two, sure, and the ending was pretty bleh, but they were mostly entertaining and well-done.


I thought they were trying to introduce too much material and backstory in the Matrix sequels, and the result was kind of a confusing jumble.  On the other hand, having a lot of story ideas is an asset for developing a TV series, so this project might work out.  That said if it's true that the producers might not play well together, you might still end up with shiat.
 
2013-03-27 01:55:45 PM  
I'm starting to think about re-subscribing to Netflix. I like the effort they are showing with the original stuff and want to support it. Lots of folks are raving about HoC.

Also, thinking about finally cutting cable and just using online services for my entertainment feed...don't watch a lot of TV in general, but I go on benders now and then. I currently have Amazon Prime and am working my way through Battlestar.

I bet Netflix has some decent offerings for TV shows
 
2013-03-27 01:57:36 PM  

LucklessWonder: The Wachowski's were also behind this movie, which I've seen described as "a witty slice of lesbian noir"

[img.movieberry.com image 507x755]

/Good movie
//Possibly because I've had a crush on Jennifer Tilly since forever


Outstanding first 10-15 minutes.

Dumb and useless afterwards.
 
2013-03-27 01:59:55 PM  
As long as Bruce Boxleitner is not cast for anything other than maybe narration, this may be a passable show.

/B5 was great otherwise IMHO
// All hail the Egyptian god of frustration.
 
2013-03-27 02:17:24 PM  

Optimus Primate: I'm starting to think about re-subscribing to Netflix. I like the effort they are showing with the original stuff and want to support it. Lots of folks are raving about HoC.

Also, thinking about finally cutting cable and just using online services for my entertainment feed...don't watch a lot of TV in general, but I go on benders now and then. I currently have Amazon Prime and am working my way through Battlestar.

I bet Netflix has some decent offerings for TV shows


I have added up my recent TV viewing and have averaged about 2 hours a week, almost all PBS (Antiques Roadshow, Downton Abbey, The Abolitionists). I am seriously thinking of cutting the TV completely and just watching online (House of Cards, Mad Men, Top of the Lake, Bates Motel)
 
2013-03-27 02:18:55 PM  

Flakeloaf: If my name were on the other two Matrix films, I'd chop my penis off too.


Bye-bye Birdie....


i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-27 02:31:05 PM  

ristst: Silverstaff: I wonder how much of it was an absolute refusal to negotiate or compromise at all which lead to things getting worse.  Seeing what plots apparently were in store for later in Crusade, like the unfilmed but written episode about Bester in hiding as a wanted war criminal, and finding out where the technomages got their powers from would have been cool.

Most of it.  JMS' douche-bagginess is well documented.  But to be fair, he was probably burned out from B5, and thus really wasn't hip to idea of running another show so soon.  But his vindictive personality (also very well documented) certainly played into the drama.

I saw the unproduced scripts some years back, and they did look interesting.

Technomages were fully covered in the Technomage Trilogy.  Bester's fate comprised the 3rd book in the Telepath Trilogy.  Very good reading with a TON of details.  The 2nd book in the Technomage series goes over the B5 ep "The Geometry of Shadows" with a fine-toothed comb.  What you see in the episode is only 1/3 of what actually is happening.  The Technomages leave little to chance in that story.


I respect that you might enjoy said books, but when I read the details, they just struck me as too much. Sometimes, extraneous lore can hinder a storyline, not improve it. To be fair, no one wants to read a spin-off book (or watch a tv series) with every-day, humdrum stories, but when you start adding incredible histories to each character (Bester), add near-fantasy (Technomages and their 'spells'; it's called a computer virus, did those not exist in 1995?) to what is supposed to be a conciliatory hard sci-fi (B5), or changing the 'heroic' nature/history of the existing ones (It wasn't Sheridan, it was the Technomages [?!] that allowed the destruction of Z'ha'dum!), that's just too many details, too convoluted a plot, and generally poor writing imho.

But to each their own. I've read books, watched movies which are flat out silly and hated by others but for which I've enjoyed greatly.

/was similarly disappointed when I read the Forerunner Halo books
 
2013-03-27 02:35:49 PM  

serial_crusher: All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people, so unfortunately this thing will blow up after 2 seasons and the Internet will be ablaze with JMS supporters whining about how it was Netflix's fault for actually caring what kind of sinkhole they were pouring their money into and wanting to have a little say in the final product.


Wait, JMS made Firefly?
 
2013-03-27 02:38:07 PM  

TotallyHeadless: serial_crusher: All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people, so unfortunately this thing will blow up after 2 seasons and the Internet will be ablaze with JMS supporters whining about how it was Netflix's fault for actually caring what kind of sinkhole they were pouring their money into and wanting to have a little say in the final product.

Wait, JMS made Firefly?


I would love to see the implosion of JMS and Whedon working on a show together.
 
2013-03-27 02:40:13 PM  

serial_crusher: All indicators are that Stracynski has trouble working with other people, so unfortunately this thing will blow up after 2 seasons and the Internet will be ablaze with JMS supporters whining about how it was Netflix's fault for actually caring what kind of sinkhole they were pouring their money into and wanting to have a little say in the final product.


The nice things about Netflix is they pretty much give their people carte blanche to do whatever they want and stay out of their way.    There's no studio and network execs constantly demanding revisions and changes.
 
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