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2013-03-27 11:41:15 AM
As opposed to all the other film of him where he comes off like The Fonz?
 
2013-03-27 11:45:03 AM
what about the side of him that deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam
 
2013-03-27 11:46:10 AM
I bet it shows him cheating at monopoly, therefore ipso facto, he is a crook.

And we were none the wiser.
 
2013-03-27 12:06:09 PM
Wow. He was almost human.

But hurr Nixon would have been Durr a liburul in today's political climate.
 
2013-03-27 12:06:57 PM
Yeah, but there's really only 18 minutes and change of him "actually" being a dork--not a big deal for a presidency.
 
2013-03-27 12:10:41 PM
Is there something wrong with the link? It goes to news/yahoo but nothing opens for me.
 
2013-03-27 12:22:13 PM
The Manson Family all thought Charlie was a great guy too.
 
2013-03-27 12:25:01 PM
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2013-03-27 12:25:29 PM
I'm just glad we "have another example [other] than LBJ and Washington".

I counted these tapes as tossed out.


/you dolt
 
2013-03-27 12:27:45 PM

TimSTP:


Came for that right there.

Was Nixon the first geek POTUS?
 
2013-03-27 12:41:49 PM

Jackson Herring: what about the side of him that deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam


This is math old guard peaceniks do to make themselves feel better about themselves. What scuttled the '68 peace talks was the left forcing Humphrey to adopt a Peace Now platform.
 
2013-03-27 12:43:45 PM

MFAWG: Jackson Herring: what about the side of him that deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam

This is math old guard peaceniks do to make themselves feel better about themselves. What scuttled the '68 peace talks was the left forcing Humphrey to adopt a Peace Now platform.


Not sure if herp or derp.
 
2013-03-27 12:54:03 PM

MFAWG: TimSTP:

Came for that right there.

Was Nixon the first geek POTUS?


No love for Jefferson?
 
2013-03-27 12:58:51 PM
Nixon, you dolt!

/oblig
 
2013-03-27 12:59:26 PM

whidbey: MFAWG: Jackson Herring: what about the side of him that deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam

This is math old guard peaceniks do to make themselves feel better about themselves. What scuttled the '68 peace talks was the left forcing Humphrey to adopt a Peace Now platform.

Not sure if herp or derp.


Truth. Really. No cocktail party hostess needed to tell South Vietnam that Nixon was for continuing the war. What changed in the summer of 1968 was Humphrey's position.
 
2013-03-27 01:03:28 PM
 
2013-03-27 01:13:41 PM
He only recorded all that stuff because the doctor told him he had to record it all.
 
2013-03-27 01:17:06 PM
Doesn't surprise me. Nixon did know how to party.

"Hey, Betty Friedan, pass some of that lotion my way..."
 
2013-03-27 01:22:46 PM
haha jesus christ
 
2013-03-27 01:23:26 PM
it actually doesn't matter if he had any effect on the peace talks at all, it is literally a fact that he farking made deliberate efforts to sabotage them so i don't know what your point is
 
2013-03-27 01:31:47 PM

Jackson Herring: it actually doesn't matter if he had any effect on the peace talks at all, it is literally a fact that he farking made deliberate efforts to sabotage them so i don't know what your point is


No, it is not literally a fact. It's revisionist history at it's finest. It's as stupid as 'Cronkite lost the war by pointing out that the Pentagon was either lying or incompetent' in the wake of the Tet Offensive is.
 
2013-03-27 01:34:32 PM

MFAWG: No, it is not literally a fact.


oh, i see, you haven't read the news in the last month
 
2013-03-27 01:46:56 PM

MFAWG: No, it is not literally a fact. It's revisionist history at it's finest.


Uh, no.  It was proven to be true when they released the last batch of LBJ's Oval Office tapes.
 
2013-03-27 02:17:17 PM
Tell me what was new about that, because I seriously didn't see anything.
The story about Mme Chenault isn't 'new".
 
2013-03-27 02:27:30 PM

MFAWG: Jackson Herring: it actually doesn't matter if he had any effect on the peace talks at all, it is literally a fact that he farking made deliberate efforts to sabotage them so i don't know what your point is

No, it is not literally a fact. It's revisionist history at it's finest. It's as stupid as 'Cronkite lost the war by pointing out that the Pentagon was either lying or incompetent' in the wake of the Tet Offensive is.


Is it "revisionist history" when the accusations are from 1968?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/newly-released-secre t- tapes-reveal-lbj-knew-never-spoke-out-about-nixons-treason/63188/

In previously released tapes from Johnson's Presidency, we had heard about Johnson having a substantial body of evidence showing Nixon schemed to keep the South Vietnamese away from the negotiating table at the 1968 Paris peace talks. Johnson recorded all of his conversations held inside the White House while he was President. (Where do you think Nixon got the idea?) Nixon was accused or dispatching Anna Chennault, a senior advisor, to convince the South Vietnamese they would get a better deal if they didn't agree to peace, effectively ending the Vietnam war, until after the U.S. Presidential election. Chennault confirmed she spoke with the Vietnamese in her autobiography, The Education of Anna, but nothing more than that. If true, the charge would likely amount to treason.

Which brings us to today. The BBC's David Taylor reports newly unclassified Johnson tapes, combined with unreleased interviews carried out by the BBC's former Washington correspondent Charles Wheeler with senior Johnson administration officials (before Wheeler's death), reveals new, amazing information about the scandal. In October 1968, there was a breakthrough in the Paris peace talks that would end the Vietname war. At the same time, Nixon's campaign was relying heavily on the war continuing. If a deal was reached, Johnson would halt the bombing of North Vietnam. But Nixon had Chennault convince South Vietnam that they "should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal," Taylor writes. They did on the day before Johnson was going to announce the end of the Vietnam war.

And Johnson knew about it all. In the recently released tapes, we can hear Johnson being told about Nixon's interference by Defence Secretary Clark Clifford. The FBI had bugged the South Vietnamese ambassadors phone. They had Chennault lobbying the ambassador on tape. Johnson was justifiably furious -- he ordered Nixon's campaign be placed under FBI surveillance. Johnson passed along a note to Nixon that he knew about the move. Nixon played like he had no idea why the South backed out, and offered to travel to Saigon to get them back to the negotiating table.

Johnson also passed along a note to Nixon's opponent, Democrat Hubert Humphrey. The Democratic campaign found out just days before the election, though, and decided they were close enough in the polls to not release the information. A treason accusation could potentially damage the country's security, they thought, before Humphrey lost a narrow election. Hindsight is 20/20, others say.
 
2013-03-27 02:42:30 PM
holy shiat this thread is dumb, who even are you
 
2013-03-27 03:16:58 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Is it "revisionist history" when the accusations are from 1968?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/newly-released-secre t- tapes-reveal-lbj-knew-never-spoke-out-about-nixons-treason/63188/


While it is not revisionist history, it is, sadly, irrelevant now. Nixon is dead, and (unless we want to dig him up and try him like Pope Formosus) therefore unprosecutable.
 
2013-03-27 03:21:02 PM
Anna Chenault was sort of like Morries wife in Goodfella's: she said all kinds of shiat to all kinds of people, most of it anti-Communist propaganda.

I'm sure Nixon rewarded her with some plum ambassadorship in the wake of this, yes?

Pretending she had any influence with anybody is downright silly.
 
2013-03-27 04:09:26 PM
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2013-03-27 05:03:12 PM

MFAWG: whidbey: MFAWG: Jackson Herring: what about the side of him that deliberately sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam

This is math old guard peaceniks do to make themselves feel better about themselves. What scuttled the '68 peace talks was the left forcing Humphrey to adopt a Peace Now platform.

Not sure if herp or derp.

Truth. Really. No cocktail party hostess needed to tell South Vietnam that Nixon was for continuing the war. What changed in the summer of 1968 was Humphrey's position.


Not sure what your point is, or why you're attacking "the left" or "peaceniks."

And it's pretty much common knowledge that Nixon had no intention of continuing the war no matter what bullshiat he was saying in public.  Humphrey didn't have jack shiat to do with that.   The left dropped the Democrats because Humphrey was a tool who didn't have even a tenth of the charisma or the vision Bobby Kennedy had.
 
2013-03-27 07:18:39 PM
But what of his underrated musical side?

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2013-03-27 07:25:37 PM
Do you remember what it was that Nixon was saying about Vietnam in 1968? It's one of the most famous lines in American politics, channeled recently by both John Kerry and John McCain.

Nixon was hammering the shiat out of Johnson and Humphrey on their inability to manage the war.
 
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