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2013-03-27 11:08:42 AM  
He is just upset that he royally botched getting Kyle Lohse a deal this offseason.
 
2013-03-27 11:16:03 AM  
Won't someone think of the oppressed professional baseball player?
 
2013-03-27 11:22:09 AM  
There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."
 
2013-03-27 11:28:41 AM  
Scott Boras is a bad person, and should feel bad.
 
2013-03-27 11:29:26 AM  
There's a mystery third team in the mix that is willing to pay me 140% of what your current offer is.
 
2013-03-27 11:30:55 AM  

H31N0US: Scott Boras is a bad person, and should feel bad.


Done in four.

/I thought Alex Rodriguez was this guy's retirement package
//Must be the thrill of the hunt
 
2013-03-27 11:32:51 AM  

H31N0US: Scott Boras is a bad person, and should feel bad.


true!

maybe hes running out of money to wipe his tears.........and ass
 
2013-03-27 11:50:48 AM  
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Screw you, Scott!
 
2013-03-27 12:11:47 PM  

tnpir: There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."


And that reason is that the sports talk guys there in DFW are idiots.
 
2013-03-27 12:16:54 PM  
But free market capitalism!
 
2013-03-27 12:16:59 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: tnpir: There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."

And that reason is that the sports talk guys there in DFW are idiots.


White Knighting Scott Boras? Wow.
 
2013-03-27 12:20:45 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: tnpir: There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."

And that reason is that the sports talk guys there in DFW are idiots.


Oh, do tell, smart guy.
 
2013-03-27 12:31:50 PM  
Boras told FoxSports.com that the new system forces major league teams to choose between making improvements to the big league team or focusing on improving through the draft.

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Because before this year, teams never had to do that?
 
2013-03-27 12:33:38 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: tnpir: There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."

And that reason is that the sports talk guys there in DFW are idiots.


and now we know Scott Boras' fark handle...
 
2013-03-27 12:47:39 PM  

tnpir: There is a reason why the sports talk guys here in DFW refer to Boras as either the "Baseball Antichrist" or "The Great Satan."


You ever see a guy with a fake head?
 
2013-03-27 12:49:04 PM  
I'd like to know how Mariners fans feel about Boras when I type these two words: Jeff Weaver.
 
2013-03-27 12:52:59 PM  
If anyone knows the meaning of "corrupt", it's Scott Boras.
 
2013-03-27 12:53:37 PM  

mjohnson71: I'd like to know how Mariners fans feel about Boras when I type these two words: Jeff Weaver.


Same as Philly fans when you type in "JD Drew".
 
2013-03-27 02:03:07 PM  
I thought that the players union and the owners were the ones who agree on labor deals.

When was the agents union involved?

In other words, STFU Boras, you cock.
 
2013-03-27 02:14:26 PM  

mjohnson71: I'd like to know how Mariners fans feel about Boras when I type these two words: Jeff Weaver.


Boras didn't hold a gun to Bill Bavasi's head and make him give out that contract, and in any event it was only a one-year deal.  I actually give Weaver credit for hanging in there that year; he was historically inept for the first couple of months but actually turned it around and pitched pretty well the rest of the way (though he came apart in September, but that's a good thing as the team was already out of it and it probably dissuaded the team from re-upping him).  The turnaround shows he wasn't mailing it in.  He could have easily discovered a mysterious "tightness" in his elbow in late May, written off the season and pocketed his $10 million.  But he didn't; he stuck with it, figured some things out and improved.  It was a bad deal, but not one of the 10 worst of the Bavasi era.
 
2013-03-27 02:15:35 PM  
And now there's a fifth mystery team, in your division, that is paying 160% of your current offer.  You have until 5PM.  Don't ask me who it is, because I won't tell you, but they're on the phone right now.

signed,
Scott B.
 
2013-03-27 02:21:59 PM  
Congress ought to tell MLB to get a real commissioner or lose their anti-trust exemption.
 
2013-03-27 02:51:10 PM  
"When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process" Boras told FoxSports.com on Monday. He actually said this with a straight face? And everyone in the room did not immediately collapse in uncontrollable laughter?
 
2013-03-27 03:14:35 PM  

jaharley: "When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process" Boras told FoxSports.com on Monday. He actually said this with a straight face? And everyone in the room did not immediately collapse in uncontrollable laughter?


If MLB or the players union or Scott Boras actually cared about having a system that rewarded performance you'd see a lot more contracts for just a few million with incentives for team wins and personal milestones.

There's some nasty pitfalls in an incentive laden system, but I'd love to see a contract for a pitcher for say $3 million guaranteed then additional pay for each quality start or reaching X numbers of innings pitched.
 
2013-03-27 03:19:35 PM  

jaharley: "When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process" Boras told FoxSports.com on Monday. He actually said this with a straight face? And everyone in the room did not immediately collapse in uncontrollable laughter?


No kidding.  We're talking about a league where a .500 pitcher can get between 8-10 MILLION per season.
 
2013-03-27 03:25:17 PM  
When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process

If their all for taking pay cuts when performance falls off, why the hell not?
 
2013-03-27 03:31:30 PM  

stappawho: When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process

If their all for taking pay cuts when performance falls off, why the hell not?


the ironic part is Boras himself structures his clients contracts to give increasing money after the time when 99% of players statistically decline. Generally he's representing prime free agents at or just after their peak, ~28 or 29 years old. Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Therefore he himself is creating an atmosphere that doesn't reward a player on performance, but on seniority and past performance.
 
2013-03-27 03:32:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: mjohnson71: I'd like to know how Mariners fans feel about Boras when I type these two words: Jeff Weaver.

Same as Philly fans when you type in "JD Drew".


Royals fans with Johnny Damon and Carlos Beltran.
 
2013-03-27 03:48:20 PM  

zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).


Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!
 
2013-03-27 03:49:52 PM  

IAmRight: zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!


I was pointing out that he's full of crap, not that he's a bad agent. From his client's perspective, he's a great agent. From just about everyone else's perspective, he's a blight on baseball and a lying, self-serving a-hole.
 
2013-03-27 03:57:09 PM  

IAmRight: zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!


Driving up prices so high only corporate goons can afford to go to games, therefore killing fan interest in the sport and endangering the very money source that pays for his clients.

I believe the scientific term for that is "parasite" or more accurately, "virus".
 
2013-03-27 03:59:24 PM  

theurge14: IAmRight: zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!

Driving up prices so high only corporate goons can afford to go to games, therefore killing fan interest in the sport and endangering the very money source that pays for his clients.

I believe the scientific term for that is "parasite" or more accurately, "virus".


Player contracts do not drive up ticket prices.  Teams will charge the highest price the market will bear no matter what.
 
2013-03-27 04:00:23 PM  

Super Chronic: Player contracts do not drive up ticket prices.  Teams will charge the highest price the market will bear no matter what.


Truth (despite what NHL owners claimed)
 
2013-03-27 04:02:48 PM  

zarberg: IAmRight: zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!

I was pointing out that he's full of crap, not that he's a bad agent. From his client's perspective, he's a great agent. From just about everyone else's perspective, he's a blight on baseball and a lying, self-serving a-hole.


If there's any valid criticism of Boras's practices, it's that he exercises a certain degree of monopoly power over top players.  Not a real monopoly, but if you want your team to be regularly competitive in the free agent market, you're going to have to deal with Boras eventually.  And occasionally this might mean giving out a contract that doesn't make complete sense standing on his own, just to remain in his good graces.  There's probably something to this, but I don't think he exercises this power quite as nakedly as, say, David Falk used to do in the NBA ("sign this client and I'll deliver this other client to you").
 
2013-03-27 04:17:28 PM  

zarberg: From just about everyone else's perspective, he's a blight on baseball and a lying, self-serving a-hole.


Same goes for every agent, every owner, every player, every person when it comes to jobs where they know what co-workers get paid.

Super Chronic: you're going to have to deal with Boras eventually.  And occasionally this might mean giving out a contract that doesn't make complete sense standing on his own, just to remain in his good graces.


But that's just the politics of every high-level job/negotiation in any business. It's not unique to Boras.
 
2013-03-27 04:53:14 PM  
He believes good performance should be rewarded...when he can swindle idiot management into thinking that his client will perform well again for the next 8 years at $25 mil....except when the player hasn't performed and he then swindles a team's management into believing his client is just on the wrong team or in the wrong ball park and will miraculously be an all star for the next 8 years at $17 mil.  Or he's never played an inning of professional baseball and has a slight rotator cuff tear and needs Tommy John surgery but in 5 years he will be an ace - for a lowly $5 million dollar signing bonus and $3 million per year to work the kinks out in the minors.  And if you don't do that, it's because you don't respect him or his client.

We all know your tricks, Scott.  I understand you like making money, but we all know when you're lying - your lips are moving.  Go take that shiat to Theo.
Sorry Cubs fans.
 
2013-03-27 04:59:26 PM  

Treygreen13: White Knighting Scott Boras? Wow.


tnpir: Oh, do tell, smart guy.


stir22: and now we know Scott Boras' fark handle...


It's pretty simple, really. The players hire Boras, just as they would hire any agent, to get them the best possible deal, and over the last 20 years or so he's shown that he's the best in this regard. If he weren't so good at his job, the players wouldn't continue to hire him. This might be a difficult concept for pea-brained Farkers to understand, but trust that it's true.

Baseball revenues are going up by eleventy billion dollars per year, so if the players salaries don't rise, that just means the owners are pocketing a higher portion of that revenue. Luckily, player salaries are rising because Scott Boras, just like most everybody in the world, is smarter than Farkers, and has been able to negotiate a bigger slice of pie for his guys. Would you rather have Jeffrey Loria pocket even MORE money than he already does, or would it be preferable if the guys who play between the lines, ya know, the guys you pay to see, received more of the money they earned for their teams?

So when people call him "the ant-christ," or say that he's "destroying baseball," really what they are saying is that both they are a complete farking idiot and/or are mad that a Boras client went to another team and signed a bigger contract, a notion so f'kn stupid that one might almost think it's too stupid for even a Farker to espouse, but evidently not. And I say this as a fan of a team who has signed exactly two free agents over the past 10 years to deals of at least 3 years and $10 million dollars.

Boras is just doing his job.  To hate him for it or think he is the one singular entity that will eventually lead to the collapse of our national pasttime is to be delusional to the extreme. But I've seen the politics tab, and on Fark, being delusional to the extreme IS the national pasttime.
 
2013-03-27 05:22:07 PM  
Scott Boras can out weasel the world's biggest weasel.
 
2013-03-27 05:35:44 PM  
Why Would I Read the Article:

Boras is just doing his job.  To hate him for it or think he is the one singular entity that will eventually lead to the collapse of our national pasttime is to be delusional to the extreme. But I've seen the politics tab, and on Fark, being delusional to the extreme IS the national pasttime.

He and the players are 50% of the problem, the other 50% are the owner, it's not an all or nothing blame here.  Pro sports are destroying themselves and Scott Boras is one of the poster boys for the reasons why.
 
2013-03-27 05:42:41 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Treygreen13: White Knighting Scott Boras? Wow.

tnpir: Oh, do tell, smart guy.

stir22: and now we know Scott Boras' fark handle...

It's pretty simple, really. The players hire Boras, just as they would hire any agent, to get them the best possible deal, and over the last 20 years or so he's shown that he's the best in this regard. If he weren't so good at his job, the players wouldn't continue to hire him. This might be a difficult concept for pea-brained Farkers to understand, but trust that it's true.


And the only reason he gives any number of shiats about the free agent policy in this scenario is because it's cutting into his commission.

Scott Boras is an expert at shining turds and then putting them in pretty boxes for idiot owners to buy. Which is why (specifically) the DFW Sports Guys *don't* like him... the idiot (now former) owner of the Rangers seemed to fall for Boras's trick every time and overpaid for the likes of Kevin Millwood, Chan Ho Park, and Alex Rodriguez. You might argue that A-Rod isn't a turd and is actually a good player - but NOT for the money the Rangers paid.
 
2013-03-27 05:58:16 PM  
Treygreen13

  i would have to concur that Boras is a very good salesman of inferior product. JD Drew being  the prime example. He was a very good player but he was NEVER worth the kind of money Boras got for him. The thing about baseball is that most of the players and ALL of the agents are a lot smarter than the owners. Example number one is that the owners actually think Selig is a smart guy and a good commissioner.
 
2013-03-27 06:02:51 PM  

Delawheredad: Treygreen13

  i would have to concur that Boras is a very good salesman of inferior product. JD Drew being  the prime example. He was a very good player but he was NEVER worth the kind of money Boras got for him. The thing about baseball is that most of the players and ALL of the agents are a lot smarter than the owners. Example number one is that the owners actually think Selig is a smart guy and a good commissioner.


I don't think any of the owners consider Selig smart.  However they do think he's a great commisioner because he's a toady.
 
2013-03-27 06:24:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: mjohnson71: I'd like to know how Mariners fans feel about Boras when I type these two words: Jeff Weaver.

Same as Philly fans when you type in "JD Drew".


When he comes to town, the crowd is still explicitly warned against throwing objects "such as batteries" at the players. He is still boo'd, even worse than Scott Rolen
 
2013-03-27 07:15:25 PM  

Super Chronic: theurge14: IAmRight: zarberg: Boras is a huge fan of 7-8 year contracts and statistical evidence shows that a player will decline after age 30 (despite the occasional solid year that creates anomalies).

Boras is in favor of making the maximum amount of money for his clients (and thereby, of course, himself)? WHAT A BASTARD!

Driving up prices so high only corporate goons can afford to go to games, therefore killing fan interest in the sport and endangering the very money source that pays for his clients.

I believe the scientific term for that is "parasite" or more accurately, "virus".

Player contracts do not drive up ticket prices.  Teams will charge the highest price the market will bear no matter what.


Indeed. If players made less, it would only mean that owners made more
 
2013-03-27 07:49:02 PM  

Treygreen13: Scott Boras is an expert at shining turds and then putting them in pretty boxes for idiot owners to buy. Which is why (specifically) the DFW Sports Guys *don't* like him... the idiot (now former) owner of the Rangers seemed to fall for Boras's trick every time and overpaid for the likes of Kevin Millwood, Chan Ho Park, and Alex Rodriguez.


So this is why Boras is the anti-christ? Because he got big contracts for the players who hired him to get them big contracts?
 
2013-03-27 08:08:16 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Treygreen13: Scott Boras is an expert at shining turds and then putting them in pretty boxes for idiot owners to buy. Which is why (specifically) the DFW Sports Guys *don't* like him... the idiot (now former) owner of the Rangers seemed to fall for Boras's trick every time and overpaid for the likes of Kevin Millwood, Chan Ho Park, and Alex Rodriguez.

So this is why Boras is the anti-christ? Because he got big contracts for the players who hired him to get them big contracts?


I will agree that he's a symptom and not the actual problem; baseball's financial model is utterly broken, and there needs to be a better revenue-sharing plan and better rules about shiatty owners letting their team be mediocre to maintain a solid profit margin.

But the agents like Boras and Rosenhaus turn the negotiations into a circus, and in the long run it hurts the players when labor negotiations go south.  It's hard enough to get the public on your side when every player's salary is plastered on ESPN (but we very rarely hear about the money the owners are making), but he only exacerbates the problem.
 
2013-03-27 08:15:12 PM  
Under compensation rules instituted this offseason, Major League Baseball teams had the option of offering $13.3 million qualifying offers to any of their pending free agents who spent the entire 2012 season with that team. If a player declined the offer and signed with another team, the player's new team would have to forfeit its highest draft pick (except top-10 picks, which are protected) and the signing-bonus allocation slotted to that pick.

Boras aside, that does sound a little effed up.

Not as bad as franchise tags, but still...
 
2013-03-27 08:26:56 PM  

dookdookdook: Under compensation rules instituted this offseason, Major League Baseball teams had the option of offering $13.3 million qualifying offers to any of their pending free agents who spent the entire 2012 season with that team. If a player declined the offer and signed with another team, the player's new team would have to forfeit its highest draft pick (except top-10 picks, which are protected) and the signing-bonus allocation slotted to that pick.

Boras aside, that does sound a little effed up.

Not as bad as franchise tags, but still...


What's the problem? For example, it didn't stop Nick Swisher from landing a deal.
 
2013-03-27 08:37:28 PM  

The Bestest: What's the problem? For example, it didn't stop Nick Swisher from landing a deal.


If your contract's over, that should be the end of you and your team's business relationship.  You should be free to sign with anyone, anywhere, and your ex-employer shouldn't be able to punish other teams that want you to try and force you into taking a potentially lower offer (assuming you're a player for whom $13.3 mil is low)
 
2013-03-27 08:58:24 PM  

jaharley: "When you have a system that does not reward performance, you know we have something corrupt in the major league process" Boras told FoxSports.com on Monday.


And that's why your players aren't getting more money, Scott.  You can only oversell so many times before owners start catching on.   Teams have watched time and time again as other owners have signed mega-deals with Boras only to end up trying to shop around players with bloated contracts and having to eat a significant portion of their salaries.

Next week:  Bank of America CEO wonders why home owners aren't jumping all over the chance to refinance with their sub-prime mortgages plans featuring variable rates and balloon payments
 
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