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(Renegade's Rants)   Equality: Homosexuals, Marriage, and Christian Blindness -- Whenever the topic of homosexual marriage comes up, Christians have a bad habit of losing sight of the big picture; but gay marriage advocates? You have a real problem on your end as well   (renegades-rants.blogspot.com) divider line 201
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2013-03-27 09:02:52 AM
Your blog sucks
 
2013-03-27 09:05:24 AM
Christians say "I don't hate, I just follow God's word". "It's not hate, when you are just being one with Christ". Paul cherry picked the rules Pagans should follow to be Christians. If I could go back in time, I would kick Paul in the nuts. Twice.
 
2013-03-27 09:07:36 AM
FTA: "Grow up, think like an adult, and use that gray matter to recognize that random examples of Christian intolerance do not properly represent the Christian community as a whole."

When I was a kid, my Mother used to tell me "You are know by the company you keep", and I thought was really unfair.  Yet, here I am today and realize it's true.  So, if the larger Christian Community does not want to be know as bigoted, ignorant, homophobic morons then perhaps they should look at the company they are keeping:  The Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, The Mormon Church have all issued official statements condemning gay marriage as sinful, immoral and deviant.  Let's not pretend these are "fringe" groups like Westboro, this IS the Christian Community.

So, sucky blog writer,"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
 
2013-03-27 09:12:47 AM
FTA: The most loudmouthed Christians are not those who represent Christianity.

Depends what you mean by "represent". Statistically, they tend to be the ones attending church more often, as opposed to "Christmas and Easter" cultural Christians.

Yes, there's outliers from the trend; but there most definitely is a trend.


/and your blog sucks
 
2013-03-27 09:12:57 AM
While his route took him through some sentences I would like to argue with, I think that would be counter productive considering I agree with where he arrived at the destination. His conclusion was basically live n' let live, go get married, just don't think we're all WBC'ers. So don't be so quick to have a go at him.
 
2013-03-27 09:17:08 AM

Slaxl: So don't be so quick to have a go at him.


No, I really think we do.  It's NOT WBC that is spent millions to pass Prop 8 in California, it isn't some tinfoil hat wearing redneck lobbying State Houses to pass the amendments barring Gay marriage, it is Christian organizations and Churches.  Evangelical Christians are the voting base of the freaking Republican Party, so this guy can't sit there and pretend that just a few Christians are giving the rest a bad name.
 
2013-03-27 09:17:23 AM
The majority of the equality advocates are not advocating equality for the sake of equality- they are advocating it because they're angry at religious folks; because they believe God is imaginary and religion is a hoax; and/or because they have been hurt somehow in some way in the past.

WTF?
 
2013-03-27 09:18:51 AM

Ennuipoet: So, if the larger Christian Community does not want to be know as bigoted, ignorant, homophobic morons then perhaps they should look at the company they are keeping: The Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, The Mormon Church have all issued official statements condemning gay marriage as sinful, immoral and deviant. Let's not pretend these are "fringe" groups like Westboro, this IS the Christian Community.


The Mormons are only a couple percent, and so calling them "fringe" might not be out of line.

Contrariwise, the Catholics and SBC are the #1 and #2 Christian denominations by membership in the US.
 
2013-03-27 09:20:38 AM
Good job getting your shiatty blog greened.  Now go get a job.
 
2013-03-27 09:25:03 AM
I am just gonna say this and be done

The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.

/Oh, and fark Christians
 
2013-03-27 09:27:56 AM

Sybarite: WTF?


Yeah. He's pretty much doing the same sort of broad-brush characterizing that he's complaining about, without anywhere near as strong a correlation trend.

Yes, those who don't believe in god, or who are themselves gay (and likely to have been hurt by religion in the past as a result) tend to be more likely to support gay marriage than the norm. However, those together are less than half the strong supporters of gay marriage. Most of the support is from not-particularly-observant Christians who think the equality implied in "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" governs.
 
2013-03-27 09:29:05 AM

abb3w: The Mormons are only a couple percent, and so calling them "fringe" might not be out of line.


True, but their economic, political and cultural influence far outweighs their numbers in the Western United States, so I am including them on the List.  In fairness there are several denominations whose stance on equality sets them far above others, the list is much shorter than those who oppose it.
 
2013-03-27 09:30:20 AM

James!: Good job getting your shiatty blog greened. Now go get a

job life.

FTFY?

cman: Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.


Society makes progress; these changes require less and less blood over time.

www.openlettersmonthly.com
 
2013-03-27 09:35:05 AM

cman: The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.


20 years ago, same-sex marriage wasn't even a glimmer in anyone's eye; civil unions was as far as anyone dared to dream. Now we have marriage equality in 9 states, the momentum is going that way, and that's without fighting in the streets. What exactly do you recommend?
 
2013-03-27 09:36:13 AM

cman: Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.


The Gay Rights Movement is generally crediting as starting with the Stonewall Riots.  Much smaller in scale than the Race Riots of the 60's, but still born in violence.

ACT UP took direct action, while generally short of violence, but certainly considered "dangerous" by the authorities.

Social movements are often conceived in violence but rarely attain their goals through it.  In the end it comes down to legislatures, courts or peace treaties depending on how far the situation degenerates before common sense takes hold.
 
2013-03-27 09:37:43 AM

cman: I am just gonna say this and be done

The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.

/Oh, and fark Christians


You give terrible advice.  Just awful.
 
2013-03-27 09:41:09 AM

cman: I am just gonna say this and be done

The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.

/Oh, and fark Christians


Words have gone very far already. No need for bloodshed when you are making progress peacefully
 
2013-03-27 09:57:16 AM

Ennuipoet: Slaxl: So don't be so quick to have a go at him.

No, I really think we do.  It's NOT WBC that is spent millions to pass Prop 8 in California, it isn't some tinfoil hat wearing redneck lobbying State Houses to pass the amendments barring Gay marriage, it is Christian organizations and Churches.  Evangelical Christians are the voting base of the freaking Republican Party, so this guy can't sit there and pretend that just a few Christians are giving the rest a bad name.


Well you may be right, but I thought that it was the vocal far right christians that were infiltrating the Republican party, and had been since the 80s, that were trying to go all theocratic on us all, rather than the majority of christians in the country who remained sane. Perhaps they should speak up against the more vocal lunatics, but if they don't identify themselves as similar then I can see why they wouldn't.

I am usually quite harsh towards christians for the reasons you mention, but I just saw a glimmer of light trying to break through the cloudy skies in his post. I don't want to ban religion and kill believers, I just want them to back away and stop trying to impose their views on everyone else. So if he says christians should back off and stop trying to impose their views on others then there's something there to latch on to, and work with.
 
2013-03-27 10:01:18 AM
2nd sentence:

Christians posting things to the effect of 'I support Biblical model marriage,' and other variations on the theme.


Bullshiat.  Biblical marriage was a property transfer.    Put that aside though. What some Christians are saying is they want same-sex marriages to be illegal.   That has nothing to do with supporting traditional marriage. Everyone supports your rights to a traditional marriage.  No one is attacking traditional marriage.
 
2013-03-27 10:03:04 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Christians say "I don't hate, I just follow God's word". "It's not hate, when you are just being one with Christ". Paul cherry picked the rules Pagans should follow to be Christians. If I could go back in time, I would kick Paul in the nuts. Twice.


A lot of people would be far more honest if they'd just describe themselves as Paulians, and not pretend to be Christians
 
2013-03-27 10:05:02 AM

Sybarite: The majority of the equality advocates are not advocating equality for the sake of equality- they are advocating it because they're angry at religious folks; because they believe God is imaginary and religion is a hoax; and/or because they have been hurt somehow in some way in the past.

WTF?


Christ, what an asshole.  The majority?  I'm glad I didn't even bother to click on his shiatty blog.
 
2013-03-27 10:06:03 AM

cman: I am just gonna say this and be done

The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.

/Oh, and fark Christians


It would be pretty silly to start a violent revolution, just as the cause is starting to get some traction and win.  The gay rights movement is doing just fine.  I'm not worried about the SCOTUS decision but even if it falls through, it will be a bump in the road.  Keep in mind, the longer this issue stays alive, the more it is pushing people (especially young people) away from the Republican party.  Look forward to several more Liberal SCOTUS appointments in the next 10 years.
 
2013-03-27 10:08:02 AM
Reading that was about as enlightening as watching a kitten chase its own tail.
 
2013-03-27 10:11:04 AM
a red-letter day for toilet blogs on the politics tab
 
2013-03-27 10:13:49 AM

Sgt Otter: Sybarite: The majority of the equality advocates are not advocating equality for the sake of equality- they are advocating it because they're angry at religious folks; because they believe God is imaginary and religion is a hoax; and/or because they have been hurt somehow in some way in the past.

WTF?

Christ, what an asshole.  The majority?  I'm glad I didn't even bother to click on his shiatty blog.


Because the headline wasn't enough of a clue?

Basically, he bashes equal rights advocates for attacking religious arguments against equal rights, saying they aren't the problem, and then uses his own to prove how he's better than everyone else.
 
2013-03-27 10:16:39 AM

mrshowrules: cman: I am just gonna say this and be done

The gay rights movement is really pissing me off.

You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.

/Oh, and fark Christians

It would be pretty silly to start a violent revolution, just as the cause is starting to get some traction and win.  The gay rights movement is doing just fine.  I'm not worried about the SCOTUS decision but even if it falls through, it will be a bump in the road.  Keep in mind, the longer this issue stays alive, the more it is pushing people (especially young people) away from the Republican party.  Look forward to several more Liberal SCOTUS appointments in the next 10 years.


Smart Republicans want nothing more than the SCOTUS to force all 50 states to allow same-sex marriage.  It'll end the policy debate and take the anti-gay demographic anchor off their neck while giving them another judicial ruling to impotently flail at for donations.
 
2013-03-27 10:19:42 AM
Seriously dude, your blog sucks ass. It's obvious that the author has no idea what marriage equality is about. It's got dick to do with religion.

Supporters of marriage equality want all people to be treated the same UNDER THE LAW. Gay people don't want to get married in your freaking church. They want to be able to go to the courthouse and get married and have the same rights as the rest of us.

Other people having the same rights as you does not diminish or invalidate your rights. It may piss you off and make you a whiny biatch, but chances are that you were already a whiny biatch to begin with.
 
2013-03-27 10:22:23 AM
I can't brain to this stuff.  You folk enjoy yourselves....
 
2013-03-27 10:27:13 AM
If you don't want your institution criticized for something you say, then don't reference your institution when you say it. It's that simple. Don't say "My church tells me to hate gays", and then tell me it's unfair if I think your church is full of dicks.
 
2013-03-27 10:41:31 AM

Lumpmoose: Smart Republicans want nothing more than the SCOTUS to force all 50 states to allow same-sex marriage.  It'll end the policy debate and take the anti-gay demographic anchor off their neck while giving them another judicial ruling to impotently flail at for donations.

 
This.
 
2013-03-27 10:51:46 AM
If you start a blog with the phrase "You know," then you are a poor writer and should not have a blog.
 
2013-03-27 10:52:39 AM
Need help with that last nail? Everybody gets the others just fine by themselves...
 
2013-03-27 10:55:30 AM

GoodCopBadCop: Your blog sucks

 
2013-03-27 10:55:51 AM
"The Christians had pieces of flair.... that they made the gays wear (internally)."  -Office Space

//Those are ribbons of shame! -Gung Ho
 
2013-03-27 10:56:05 AM
I don't hate gays. I just voluntarily choose to believe in an imaginary deity invented 6000 years ago by a tribe of nomadic goat herders whose woefully inadequate Bronze-Age understanding of the world around them taught that we should be afraid of things that are different, and apply it to my beliefs millennia later even after all empirical evidence shows how very wrong they were.

Suck it, libbos.
 
2013-03-27 10:58:32 AM

MithrandirBooga: I don't hate gays. I just voluntarily choose to believe in an imaginary deity invented 6000 years ago by a tribe of nomadic goat herders whose woefully inadequate Bronze-Age understanding of the world around them taught that we should be afraid of things that are different, and apply it to my beliefs millennia later even after all empirical evidence shows how very wrong they were.

Suck it, libbos.


Seems legit.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:05 AM
"The most loudmouthed Christians are not those who represent Christianity. "

Then be more proactive and vocal in denouncing them.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:10 AM
Our job is not to make rules and laws for unbelievers to follow.  Straight up, that makes us pharisees.

Yeah, look at all the laws Jews have pushed for in the US - you can't buy bacon ANYWHERE and G-d help you if you stock a blended fabric. To say nothing of the forced work stoppages for 25 hours per week (give or take) and I can't find bread ANYWHERE this week.

Do me a favor - shut your dickhole, go outside and think about how dumb you are, shut up again, and never post on the internet again.

// good job ignoring the 2,000 years of Catholic/Christian theocracy to point to the Jews as the intolerant ones
 
2013-03-27 10:59:22 AM
I like this. The guy is a little blunt about it, but he's right: it's unfair for us liberal atheist gay-lovers to lump all Christians together. This guy seems reasonable enough, despite his faith, and he's the kind of person we can actually reason with. Everyone has feelings, and he is resentful for being lumped in with the wacky media-attention whore fart Christians. He also calls out his fellow Christians pretty harshly here, and reminds them what they need to remember.

He tells it like it is, man. If you can't handle it, you need to really look at the person in the mirror.
 
2013-03-27 11:00:21 AM

Lumpmoose: Smart Republicans want nothing more than the SCOTUS to force all 50 states to allow same-sex marriage. It'll end the policy debate and take the anti-gay demographic anchor off their neck while giving them another judicial ruling to impotently flail at for donations.


Except it won't end the policy debate, will it. Forty years after Roe v. Wade, abortion is still a major policy issue and the Republicans are finding ways to chip away at it every single day.


Smart Republicans will support gay marriage because they know the demographic trends will not be favorable to their party if they keep up the opposition.
 
2013-03-27 11:00:39 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: "The most loudmouthed Christians are not those who represent Christianity. "

Then be more proactive and vocal in denouncing them.


Reminds me of a story about a guy with a plank of wood in his eye trying to help another guy get a splinter out of his own eye. I doubt he's read it, though.
 
2013-03-27 11:01:36 AM
I'm seeing Christians posting anti-homosexual sentiments (at the worst), as well as more reasonable Christians posting things to the effect of 'I support Biblical model marriage,' and other variations on the theme.

On the other hand, I'm also seeing many other people posting graphics which paint those who don't agree with homosexuality as a life style as being as bad as those who want to outright kill homosexuals.


Both sides are equally bad.  If by both sides you mean every Christian preacher who has ever had a sermon on the evils of homosexuality (in other words, all of them), at least the last 2 popes, and the vast majority if Republican party members and politicians on one side, versus some imaginary fever dream you thought up by yourself but that no one else has never heard of on the other.
 
2013-03-27 11:01:45 AM
Now, if anything I've said here offends you, let me be the first to say "Good."

translation: I am a giant douche
 
2013-03-27 11:03:57 AM
He's trying to act like he's above it, but he's merely offering a new twist on christian asshurt.
 
2013-03-27 11:04:05 AM
His point is good, but still fairly inaccurate. You see I am Christian... and gay. Half of myself doesn't lump the other as a maniacal Bible thumper. He asked gays not to assume all Christians are Phelps enthusiasts. Well, shame on him for assuming all gays think this vitriol is true. I have had plenty a reasoned logical debate with those who oppose how I live without the other party calling for the village to rise up against me for a stoning.
 
2013-03-27 11:04:50 AM

Sgt Otter: Sybarite: The majority of the equality advocates are not advocating equality for the sake of equality- they are advocating it because they're angry at religious folks; because they believe God is imaginary and religion is a hoax; and/or because they have been hurt somehow in some way in the past.

WTF?

Christ, what an asshole.  The majority?  I'm glad I didn't even bother to click on his shiatty blog.


It is especially ironic considering he spent most of the article arguing against labeling wide groups of people with holding certain convictions.
 
2013-03-27 11:05:17 AM

Sgt Otter: Sybarite: The majority of the equality advocates are not advocating equality for the sake of equality- they are advocating it because they're angry at religious folks; because they believe God is imaginary and religion is a hoax; and/or because they have been hurt somehow in some way in the past.

WTF?

Christ, what an asshole.  The majority?  I'm glad I didn't even bother to click on his shiatty blog.


This is an extension of the "christians are persecuted argument" and it is just as stupid.

These folks can't understand that people want equality for equalities sake and nothing else. For goodness sakes, my wife is Catholic and she thinks this whole debate is stupid. And neither of us are angry at religious folks.

//will add that one of my wife's oldest friends is gay and happened to be her sponsor for confirmation. I'm sure he is part of the reason for her being more open about it.
 
2013-03-27 11:05:49 AM

Headso: Now, if anything I've said here offends you, let me be the first to say "Good."

translation: I am a giant douche


He's in your face, man. He doesn't care about this PC nonsense, the rest of just have to deal.
 
2013-03-27 11:06:46 AM
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2013-03-27 11:07:33 AM

cman: You think that words and discussion will get you equality.

As the NAACP how far words went. Ask those blacks who were terrorized how words went. Words meant shiat. Do you know how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed? It took blood, and a whole lot of it.

Stop with this bullshiat word game and go out there and fight.



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