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(BBC)   Okay Pope Francis, we get it, you're really humble   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 25
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2013-03-27 09:51:09 AM
4 votes:
I think the important part of this is that Francis is going to be living among regular people - long-term Vatican residents, visitors, and even groundskeepers - instead of it just being himself, the bishops on his staff, and some servants.  Which, I think, is a good sign.  A lot of people in important positions - politicians, CEO's, academics, celebrities, etc. - end up living in bubbles surrounded by people whose only job is to agree with them and take care of their every need. The problem is that isolation also cuts you off from people who are different than you or who disagree with you.  Seeing someone with power refuse this trap is a good sign.

/Jesus would definitely approve
2013-03-27 09:20:32 AM
3 votes:
As critical as I am to the RCC, If he's going to walk the walk you gotta give it up to him.
2013-03-27 09:16:51 AM
3 votes:
Until he starts selling off the gold and jewels and uses that money to help the impoverished, the suffering, and the Church's hundreds of thousands of rape victims, this is all just meaningless tinsel.
2013-03-27 09:16:11 AM
3 votes:
Call my pie in the sky optimist, but this just may be the cat to turn the church around since he's one of those crazy Jesuit folks who often talk the talk and walk the walk
2013-03-27 10:53:35 AM
2 votes:

Bungles: brimed03: globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.

THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments

I think it's more to do with walking the talk.

When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.


B farking S.

There is not one single thing the Catholic Church can do, up to and including mass suicide, that the Fark Atheist Brigade will not use as an opportunity to jerk themselves off over how morally and intellectually superior they are to each and every one of the 1.2 billion people who call themselves Catholics.
2013-03-27 10:51:07 AM
2 votes:
Bungles:
The reason that people are a little suspicious that this "humility" will translate into actual real action is the previous 1200 years of papal extravagance. There have also been numerous "humble" popes before. They all did nothing in terms of reducing the gold mountain.

You understand that the land is mostly occupied by parishes that generate all that money for the church, right? And most of those elegant and expensive building are either historical landmarks, were paid for by the parishes themselves, are active churches who use those buildings or all three. Selling off all of the Church's assets is not a realistic course of action and would damage the Church's ability to continue helping people in the long term.
2013-03-27 09:36:03 AM
2 votes:
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Absolutely gorgeous wood floors, though.
2013-03-27 09:23:58 AM
2 votes:

Rhypskallion: nekom: So why does the Catholic church still maintain tremendous wealth for no good reason while people around the world are in great need of help?

Feeding the poor is help.   Catholic help is CONVERTING the poor, so that they can spend eternity with their god.    They're not trying to solve the world's problems, they're trying to milk the opportunities to COVERT all the desperate folks they can.


While all religions try to convert people to their view, Catholics don't go around trying to convert people.

Catholics barely spend any time being catholic, you think we have time to try to make others sign up?
2013-03-27 02:33:02 PM
1 votes:
He could rent the papal apartment for $25,000 per night and use the money to fight sexual abuse of children.
2013-03-27 02:20:03 PM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.


Not News: He has a religious affiliation.  He can't win.  Not on this site.
2013-03-27 12:56:22 PM
1 votes:

mbillips: Great, popey, now you just put a bunch of staff out of work. Good jorb.


Started watching that the other day, great how except for the oldest daughter (makes me want to coont punch her whenever she's on screen)

"All men have a role to play; we must let them do so"
2013-03-27 12:45:11 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: nekom:
I'm no theophobe, though I'm not especially religious. My philosophy is something of a hybrid between red letter Christian and Buddhism. Now Christianity, that's about Jesus, yes? The man who many believe was the son of god who was sent to save us and to teach us the way of righteous living, yes? The motto of the red letter Christians: What if Jesus actually meant what he said?

Christs message about wealth was more along the lines of wealth/power is a corrupting force than that wealth is bad in and of itself.


Indeed.  That's why the line is "the love of money is the root of all evil," and not the incorrectly truncated version that snarky people spew out.
2013-03-27 11:51:25 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: MasterThief: I think the important part of this is that Francis is going to be living among regular people

You didn't RTFA. He will be living in Domus Santa Marta, which is where resident and visiting cardinals stay. No "regular people" will be allowed anywhere near that building.


The Cardinals only stay there during the Conclave itself.  The rest of the time, the Domus Sanctae Marthae hosts clerical and lay guests attending conferences at the Vatican. Some even take pictures.

Oh, and Francis has been seen celebrating Mass in the houses' chapel... with the Vatican's gardeners and janitors.

Is this for show? Yeah, but it's to instruct by example, not to entertain. If he's the Pope, and he's turning down the posh accommodations and the trappings of power, then what's our excuse?
2013-03-27 11:29:25 AM
1 votes:

nekom: So why does the Catholic church still maintain tremendous wealth for no good reason while people around the world are in great need of help?


Because; if they sold, for example, Michelangelo's David to a private collection, the art world would pitch a fit. The church's wealth isn't in gold; it's in propery. There's something like 300 churches just in Rome; each one has its own loyal following. Yes, they could sell one or two; but, imagine, if you will, if the church sold St. John Lateran and the new owner knocked it down for an apartment block?

What I'm saying is; the church can't sell stuff because, people won't let the church sell stuff.
2013-03-27 10:41:22 AM
1 votes:

Bungles: When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.


Not going to happen. The baubles belong to the Church, not the person of the pope. And, as said before, they were accumulated when the pope was the ruler of all kings and final authority on everything from morals to treaties, in days when emperors and such didn't even poop without a papal document allowing it.

Why is everyone so obsessed with the Vatican divesting themselves of such things, anyway? When those who call for it are doing it themselves, maybe then the calls for it will have credence. Besides, those things are historical, not the assemblage of your casual collector.

//interesting that a month out, all of a sudden there are articles coming out saying how crafty and political the pope is
2013-03-27 10:37:19 AM
1 votes:
Bungles:
When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.


He's been Pope for two weeks, even with absolute authority you can't change an organization the size and complexity of the Catholic church overnight. And selling the Pope's jewelry to cover basic expenses is just stupid and it's dumb to criticize the Pope for not doing it.
2013-03-27 10:16:53 AM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.


THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments
2013-03-27 10:01:46 AM
1 votes:
He is probably the most humble person he knows.
2013-03-27 09:55:32 AM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Christs message about wealth was more along the lines of wealth/power is a corrupting force than that wealth is bad in and of itself. And a lot of the really ostentatious symbols of the Vatican's wealth(jewels, Vatican City, etc) are leftovers from when the Church was a nation-state in it's own right. While I agree with you that the Catholic Church should refocus on their charity work(hopefully Francis will do that) I don't think that selling off all the church's wealth is really going to be a helpful thing to do.


Everyone was looking for this pope to be the one to be the reformer, in a social way but honestly I think he won't be. He'll still be a reformer, just not in the way many progressive Catholics were hoping for. I think we'll see a massive reformation of the Bishops and responsibilities, an opening of the church books and bank, and a refocusing on poverty ministries in developing nations with a recommendation to established parishes to refocus locally on their under class as well.

I'd like to see the face of Pope Clement though, the one who suppressed the Jesuits
2013-03-27 09:47:44 AM
1 votes:
nekom:
I'm no theophobe, though I'm not especially religious. My philosophy is something of a hybrid between red letter Christian and Buddhism. Now Christianity, that's about Jesus, yes? The man who many believe was the son of god who was sent to save us and to teach us the way of righteous living, yes? The motto of the red letter Christians: What if Jesus actually meant what he said?

Christs message about wealth was more along the lines of wealth/power is a corrupting force than that wealth is bad in and of itself. And a lot of the really ostentatious symbols of the Vatican's wealth(jewels, Vatican City, etc) are leftovers from when the Church was a nation-state in it's own right. While I agree with you that the Catholic Church should refocus on their charity work(hopefully Francis will do that) I don't think that selling off all the church's wealth is really going to be a helpful thing to do.
2013-03-27 09:39:11 AM
1 votes:
Lapsed as I am, the more I hear about this guy the more I like him.

(Factoring out the backward attitudes he takes institutinoally toward women and homosexuals, of course).
2013-03-27 09:38:47 AM
1 votes:

xen0blue: nekom: So why does the Catholic church still maintain tremendous wealth for no good reason while people around the world are in great need of help?

Hark! A wild theophobe appears!


I'm no theophobe, though I'm not especially religious. My philosophy is something of a hybrid between red letter Christian and Buddhism. Now Christianity, that's about Jesus, yes? The man who many believe was the son of god who was sent to save us and to teach us the way of righteous living, yes? The motto of the red letter Christians: What if Jesus actually meant what he said?
2013-03-27 09:37:22 AM
1 votes:
I bet Benedict is fuming that he's being made to look like a vainglorious bellend.
2013-03-27 09:24:32 AM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: Yeah, whatever. That chair still probably cost more than my house.



I doubt the Vatican has many ikea Billy bookcases and chairs just kicking about.
2013-03-27 09:22:14 AM
1 votes:
Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart? Well, he knows he's a million times as humble as thou art. He's the pious guy the little Catholics wanna be like, on his knees day and night scorin' points for the afterlife.
 
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