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2013-03-27 10:16:53 AM

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.


THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments
 
2013-03-27 10:20:21 AM

brimed03: globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.

THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments


I think it's more to do with walking the talk.

When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:19 AM
Bungles:
When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.


He's been Pope for two weeks, even with absolute authority you can't change an organization the size and complexity of the Catholic church overnight. And selling the Pope's jewelry to cover basic expenses is just stupid and it's dumb to criticize the Pope for not doing it.
 
2013-03-27 10:41:22 AM

Bungles: When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.


Not going to happen. The baubles belong to the Church, not the person of the pope. And, as said before, they were accumulated when the pope was the ruler of all kings and final authority on everything from morals to treaties, in days when emperors and such didn't even poop without a papal document allowing it.

Why is everyone so obsessed with the Vatican divesting themselves of such things, anyway? When those who call for it are doing it themselves, maybe then the calls for it will have credence. Besides, those things are historical, not the assemblage of your casual collector.

//interesting that a month out, all of a sudden there are articles coming out saying how crafty and political the pope is
 
2013-03-27 10:43:20 AM

Voiceofreason01: Bungles:
When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.

He's been Pope for two weeks, even with absolute authority you can't change an organization the size and complexity of the Catholic church overnight. And selling the Pope's jewelry to cover basic expenses is just stupid and it's dumb to criticize the Pope for not doing it.


I'm not talking about "the pope's jewelry", obviously. I'm talking about the billions of dollars of lavish gold and silver emblazoned in every Catholic church in the world, the millions of acres of land, and the billions in dubious "investments" of the Vatican bank. If he strips that back, liquidates the majority of it, and spends it on the actual mission of the church, then I'll be impressed.

The reason that people are a little suspicious that this "humility" will translate into actual real action is the previous 1200 years of papal extravagance. There have also been numerous "humble" popes before. They all did nothing in terms of reducing the gold mountain.
 
2013-03-27 10:46:36 AM

Dog Man: Rhypskallion: nekom: So why does the Catholic church still maintain tremendous wealth for no good reason while people around the world are in great need of help?

Feeding the poor is help.   Catholic help is CONVERTING the poor, so that they can spend eternity with their god.    They're not trying to solve the world's problems, they're trying to milk the opportunities to COVERT all the desperate folks they can.

While all religions try to convert people to their view, Catholics don't go around trying to convert people.

Catholics barely spend any time being catholic, you think we have time to try to make others sign up?


not "all religions". catholics do while jews, buddhists, paegans, jainists and atheists do not.
 
2013-03-27 10:51:07 AM
Bungles:
The reason that people are a little suspicious that this "humility" will translate into actual real action is the previous 1200 years of papal extravagance. There have also been numerous "humble" popes before. They all did nothing in terms of reducing the gold mountain.

You understand that the land is mostly occupied by parishes that generate all that money for the church, right? And most of those elegant and expensive building are either historical landmarks, were paid for by the parishes themselves, are active churches who use those buildings or all three. Selling off all of the Church's assets is not a realistic course of action and would damage the Church's ability to continue helping people in the long term.
 
2013-03-27 10:53:35 AM

Bungles: brimed03: globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.

THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments

I think it's more to do with walking the talk.

When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.


B farking S.

There is not one single thing the Catholic Church can do, up to and including mass suicide, that the Fark Atheist Brigade will not use as an opportunity to jerk themselves off over how morally and intellectually superior they are to each and every one of the 1.2 billion people who call themselves Catholics.
 
2013-03-27 10:58:49 AM

Voiceofreason01: Bungles:
The reason that people are a little suspicious that this "humility" will translate into actual real action is the previous 1200 years of papal extravagance. There have also been numerous "humble" popes before. They all did nothing in terms of reducing the gold mountain.

You understand that the land is mostly occupied by parishes that generate all that money for the church, right? And most of those elegant and expensive building are either historical landmarks, were paid for by the parishes themselves, are active churches who use those buildings or all three. Selling off all of the Church's assets is not a realistic course of action and would damage the Church's ability to continue helping people in the long term.


Collections by parishes don't even come close to meeting the Church's expenses. Most of that money stays within the dioceses. Most of the Church's money comes from global investments these days. In times past, it came from tributes levied against states.
 
2013-03-27 11:03:49 AM

Son of Thunder: Bungles: brimed03: globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.

THIS.

Came to say this.

#stupidfarkercomments

I think it's more to do with walking the talk.

When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

So far it might hint at the future.... or it might just be window dressing.

B farking S.

There is not one single thing the Catholic Church can do, up to and including mass suicide, that the Fark Atheist Brigade will not use as an opportunity to jerk themselves off over how morally and intellectually superior they are to each and every one of the 1.2 billion people who call themselves Catholics.


Well, to be fair, the church does have an enormous amount of atonement to do for before people outside the church are going to respect them again.

Those hundreds of thousands of rapes really stick in the throat.
 
2013-03-27 11:12:37 AM
JackieRabbit:
Collections by parishes don't even come close to meeting the Church's expenses. Most of that money stays within the dioceses. Most of the Church's money comes from global investments these days. In times past, it came from tributes levied against states.

Which still doesn't address why the Church selling off it's assets would be a good plan. I think we both agree that the Catholic Church should refocus on charity and helping people but I think that liquidating their assets is probably not the best way to go about that.
 
2013-03-27 11:18:49 AM

Voiceofreason01: JackieRabbit:
Collections by parishes don't even come close to meeting the Church's expenses. Most of that money stays within the dioceses. Most of the Church's money comes from global investments these days. In times past, it came from tributes levied against states.

Which still doesn't address why the Church selling off it's assets would be a good plan. I think we both agree that the Catholic Church should refocus on charity and helping people but I think that liquidating their assets is probably not the best way to go about that.


Compare them to the CoE, or the Quakers, or even the recent actions of the Cypriot Orthodox Church. All churches that manage to leverage their reserves to actually ameliorate poverty, and without dressing in ermine and diamonds.
 
2013-03-27 11:29:25 AM

nekom: So why does the Catholic church still maintain tremendous wealth for no good reason while people around the world are in great need of help?


Because; if they sold, for example, Michelangelo's David to a private collection, the art world would pitch a fit. The church's wealth isn't in gold; it's in propery. There's something like 300 churches just in Rome; each one has its own loyal following. Yes, they could sell one or two; but, imagine, if you will, if the church sold St. John Lateran and the new owner knocked it down for an apartment block?

What I'm saying is; the church can't sell stuff because, people won't let the church sell stuff.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:14 AM

Voiceofreason01: JackieRabbit:
Collections by parishes don't even come close to meeting the Church's expenses. Most of that money stays within the dioceses. Most of the Church's money comes from global investments these days. In times past, it came from tributes levied against states.

Which still doesn't address why the Church selling off it's assets would be a good plan. I think we both agree that the Catholic Church should refocus on charity and helping people but I think that liquidating their assets is probably not the best way to go about that.


The Catholic Church has never really been about charity so much as it has been - and still is - about power. It is losing its influence rapidly. It will be interesting to see if Francis can actually affect some real reforms.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:46 AM
I thought they had to renovate the residence for each incoming Pope.  So wouldn't he just be living somewhere else in the mean time anyhow?  The article did say this was not permanent.
 
2013-03-27 11:41:00 AM

Bungles: I'm not talking about "the pope's jewelry", obviously. I'm talking about the billions of dollars of lavish gold and silver emblazoned in every Catholic church in the world, the millions of acres of land, and the billions in dubious "investments" of the Vatican bank.


upload.wikimedia.org

/very proud!
 
2013-03-27 11:42:52 AM

Bungles: Voiceofreason01: JackieRabbit:
Collections by parishes don't even come close to meeting the Church's expenses. Most of that money stays within the dioceses. Most of the Church's money comes from global investments these days. In times past, it came from tributes levied against states.

Which still doesn't address why the Church selling off it's assets would be a good plan. I think we both agree that the Catholic Church should refocus on charity and helping people but I think that liquidating their assets is probably not the best way to go about that.

Compare them to the CoE, or the Quakers, or even the recent actions of the Cypriot Orthodox Church. All churches that manage to leverage their reserves to actually ameliorate poverty, and without dressing in  ermineand diamonds.


Fake ermine, by the way.
 
2013-03-27 11:51:25 AM

JackieRabbit: MasterThief: I think the important part of this is that Francis is going to be living among regular people

You didn't RTFA. He will be living in Domus Santa Marta, which is where resident and visiting cardinals stay. No "regular people" will be allowed anywhere near that building.


The Cardinals only stay there during the Conclave itself.  The rest of the time, the Domus Sanctae Marthae hosts clerical and lay guests attending conferences at the Vatican. Some even take pictures.

Oh, and Francis has been seen celebrating Mass in the houses' chapel... with the Vatican's gardeners and janitors.

Is this for show? Yeah, but it's to instruct by example, not to entertain. If he's the Pope, and he's turning down the posh accommodations and the trappings of power, then what's our excuse?
 
2013-03-27 11:55:07 AM

Bungles: airplane_mech2: I seem to remember one of the things about the anti-christ is evrybody liking him.  Doing great things and then when everyone is all happy and comfortable....the hammer falls.  Maybe I'm wrong.

I think you've based your theological knowledge on the 1981 film The Omen III, rather than, you know, the bible.


That could very well be, but I'm not even sure I even saw that movie.  I did see the first one though.  I know I did not base it off the bible.  maybe it was Left behind.  I don't know.  In my defense, I did say I was probably wrong.  LOL
 
2013-03-27 12:02:28 PM

MasterThief: JackieRabbit: MasterThief: I think the important part of this is that Francis is going to be living among regular people

You didn't RTFA. He will be living in Domus Santa Marta, which is where resident and visiting cardinals stay. No "regular people" will be allowed anywhere near that building.

The Cardinals only stay there during the Conclave itself.  The rest of the time, the Domus Sanctae Marthae hosts clerical and lay guests attending conferences at the Vatican. Some even take pictures.

Oh, and Francis has been seen celebrating Mass in the houses' chapel... with the Vatican's gardeners and janitors.

Is this for show? Yeah, but it's to instruct by example, not to entertain. If he's the Pope, and he's turning down the posh accommodations and the trappings of power, then what's our excuse?


I do rather like that chapel, in a warm and comforting 70s airport sort of way.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-27 12:10:21 PM

Bungles: that chapel


What's that thing on the right-hand wall?  Looks like a gigantic old brass doorbell.  Is that how they call God?
 
2013-03-27 12:11:51 PM
Pope Francis is very humble.
*how humble is he!?!!*
He's so humble, he still picks out and grooms his own altar boys!
 
2013-03-27 12:12:26 PM
I got yur Humble right here! I got more humble in my little finger than the pope has in his whole body! And my sidekick Hubris will back up my claim! <ducking> :D
 
2013-03-27 12:15:17 PM

markie_farkie: Bungles: that chapel

What's that thing on the right-hand wall?  Looks like a gigantic old brass doorbell.  Is that how they call God?


It's the God Knocker.
 
2013-03-27 12:45:11 PM

Voiceofreason01: nekom:
I'm no theophobe, though I'm not especially religious. My philosophy is something of a hybrid between red letter Christian and Buddhism. Now Christianity, that's about Jesus, yes? The man who many believe was the son of god who was sent to save us and to teach us the way of righteous living, yes? The motto of the red letter Christians: What if Jesus actually meant what he said?

Christs message about wealth was more along the lines of wealth/power is a corrupting force than that wealth is bad in and of itself.


Indeed.  That's why the line is "the love of money is the root of all evil," and not the incorrectly truncated version that snarky people spew out.
 
2013-03-27 12:47:56 PM
So I assume the church is selling off all the things he's not using to benefit the poor.  No?
 
2013-03-27 12:56:22 PM

mbillips: Great, popey, now you just put a bunch of staff out of work. Good jorb.


Started watching that the other day, great how except for the oldest daughter (makes me want to coont punch her whenever she's on screen)

"All men have a role to play; we must let them do so"
 
2013-03-27 01:09:46 PM

houstondragon: mbillips: Great, popey, now you just put a bunch of staff out of work. Good jorb.

Started watching that the other day, great how except for the oldest daughter (makes me want to coont punch her whenever she's on screen)

"All men have a role to play; we must let them do so"


The eldest daughter is the best character in it!
 
2013-03-27 02:02:16 PM

Kriggerel: I'm starting to call him Pope Uriah Heep.


Given the name that he selected, I'm fond of 'Frankenpope'.  And I'm sure that we'll get all kinds of milage out of the 'lighten up, Francis' meme.

Still not as catchy as our nickname for the last pope:   The German Shepherd
 
2013-03-27 02:20:03 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Why can't the Pope be more humble?Pope is extremely humble.Fark: The Pope is too humble. He is faking it.


Not News: He has a religious affiliation.  He can't win.  Not on this site.
 
2013-03-27 02:33:02 PM
He could rent the papal apartment for $25,000 per night and use the money to fight sexual abuse of children.
 
2013-03-27 03:27:40 PM

Bungles: Until he starts selling off the gold and jewels and uses that money to help the impoverished, the suffering, and the Church's hundreds of thousands of rape victims, this is all just meaningless tinsel.


Worse, it's farking hypocrisy.
 
2013-03-27 04:03:51 PM

raptusregaliter: Bungles: When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

Not going to happen. The baubles belong to the Church, not the person of the pope. And, as said before, they were accumulated when the pope was the ruler of all kings and final authority on everything from morals to treaties, in days when emperors and such didn't even poop without a papal document allowing it.

Why is everyone so obsessed with the Vatican divesting themselves of such things, anyway? When those who call for it are doing it themselves, maybe then the calls for it will have credence. Besides, those things are historical, not the assemblage of your casual collector.


It's time for the Catholic Church to reject their old ways, and embrace Jesus so that they may be saved. From Revelation 17:4 -

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls..."

Now I'm not claiming that there's definite proof that the Vatican is the Whore of Babylon, but I think it's safe to say that 70-80% of Christians would agree it's a good possibility. By getting rid of all the purple and red, and all those baubles, they'll show they're at least trying to be on the right side.
 
2013-03-27 04:45:04 PM

ZeroPly: raptusregaliter: Bungles: When he starts selling off the palace jewels for the power....I suspect most farkers will be delighted.

Not going to happen. The baubles belong to the Church, not the person of the pope. And, as said before, they were accumulated when the pope was the ruler of all kings and final authority on everything from morals to treaties, in days when emperors and such didn't even poop without a papal document allowing it.

Why is everyone so obsessed with the Vatican divesting themselves of such things, anyway? When those who call for it are doing it themselves, maybe then the calls for it will have credence. Besides, those things are historical, not the assemblage of your casual collector.

It's time for the Catholic Church to reject their old ways, and embrace Jesus so that they may be saved. From Revelation 17:4 -

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls..."

Now I'm not claiming that there's definite proof that the Vatican is the Whore of Babylon, but I think it's safe to say that 70-80% of Christians would agree it's a good possibility. By getting rid of all the purple and red, and all those baubles, they'll show they're at least trying to be on the right side.


And dressing like a camel.
 
2013-03-27 11:19:50 PM
man, i wish i could afford furniture and wood floors like that. if i could, that's not what i'd spend the money on, and if i were a holy man i think i'd rather buy some family a house for what the decor in that room cost. gratuitous displays of wealth = humility?

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