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(Quartz)   The real cause of the wordlwide economic problems? The internet. Thanks a lot DARPA   (qz.com) divider line 21
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2013-03-27 10:00:04 AM
the internet is the cause but not in making us poor, just in creating another dimension in trading and wealth exchange, increasing the nonlinear responses observed with respect to time to about 10x faster.

/i.e., the housing bubble would've popped in ~october 2050 w/o the internet.
//but it would've popped.
 
2013-03-27 10:03:30 AM
Sounds like somebody's just annoyed they can't get way with selling bullshiat anymore.
 
2013-03-27 10:13:16 AM
24/7/365 trading?
 
2013-03-27 10:26:44 AM
So can we blame AL Gore for this too?
 
kab
2013-03-27 10:36:40 AM
If automation can do that much (and it can), then we're clearly in a position to support a large % of the population simply not having to work for a living at all.

Given our social conditioning, let's see how that pans out.
 
2013-03-27 10:54:23 AM

kab: If automation can do that much (and it can), then we're clearly in a position to support a large % of the population simply not having to work for a living at all.

Given our social conditioning, let's see how that pans out.


(Concept stolen from  http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm short story)
That sad thing is if you gave 1000 people a magic wand that could, with a wave, eliminate the need for anyone to work - I'd be willing to bet at least 500 of those people would use it to make themselves rich while screwing over everyone else.
 
kab
2013-03-27 12:06:29 PM

Fizpez: (Concept stolen from http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm short story)


Neat read, thanks for linking that.
 
2013-03-27 12:48:51 PM

Fizpez: kab: If automation can do that much (and it can), then we're clearly in a position to support a large % of the population simply not having to work for a living at all.

Given our social conditioning, let's see how that pans out.

(Concept stolen from  http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm short story)
That sad thing is if you gave 1000 people a magic wand that could, with a wave, eliminate the need for anyone to work - I'd be willing to bet at least 500 of those people would use it to make themselves rich while screwing over everyone else.


Thanks for making me spend 30 minutes reading that, pretty interesting idea, too bad it won't likely ever happen
 
2013-03-27 01:35:18 PM
I'm not sure what to make of it, on one hand automation seems like a great way to streamline everything, but on the other han- UNEXPECTED ITEM IN BAGGING AREA; ASSISTANCE REQUIRED; ASSISTANCE REQUIRED!
 
2013-03-27 02:20:53 PM
If people are being replaced by software we'll be able to make due with fewer people. Luckily birtrates have been dropping for a while.
 
2013-03-27 02:29:55 PM
The "real" cause???

Fees.
 
2013-03-27 04:15:58 PM

encyclopediaplushuman: Sounds like somebody's just annoyed they can't get way with selling bullshiat anymore.


Fox news pundits and politicians (mostly republican) come to mind.

They can still sell bullshiat, but at least it is easier to see if it is bullshiat.
 
2013-03-27 05:49:42 PM

Fizpez: kab: If automation can do that much (and it can), then we're clearly in a position to support a large % of the population simply not having to work for a living at all.

Given our social conditioning, let's see how that pans out.

(Concept stolen from  http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm short story)
That sad thing is if you gave 1000 people a magic wand that could, with a wave, eliminate the need for anyone to work - I'd be willing to bet at least 500 of those people would use it to make themselves rich while screwing over everyone else.


Nice link, thanks...I've been saying for a while that with the increases in productivity due to automation and robotics that we're either headed for a "Star Trek" economy based on abundance or some really, really ugly times.

Money was a good medium of trade in an economy based on scarcity of goods but it's days are coming to an end.
 
2013-03-27 06:40:12 PM

scanman61: Fizpez: kab: If automation can do that much (and it can), then we're clearly in a position to support a large % of the population simply not having to work for a living at all.

Given our social conditioning, let's see how that pans out.

(Concept stolen from  http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm short story)
That sad thing is if you gave 1000 people a magic wand that could, with a wave, eliminate the need for anyone to work - I'd be willing to bet at least 500 of those people would use it to make themselves rich while screwing over everyone else.

Nice link, thanks...I've been saying for a while that with the increases in productivity due to automation and robotics that we're either headed for a "Star Trek" economy based on abundance or some really, really ugly times.

Money was a good medium of trade in an economy based on scarcity of goods but it's days are coming to an end.


The Sun is coming to an end, but we won't be around to see it.  "Manna" is a good story, telling how things could be.  It does not explain how to get there.  Perhaps we need to pass through the Hell of "terrafoam" to reach the Paradise of Vertebrane.  Dante's path.  We are only in the first Circle now.
 
2013-03-27 07:54:07 PM

Hyjamon: encyclopediaplushuman: Sounds like somebody's just annoyed they can't get way with selling bullshiat anymore.

Fox news pundits and politicians (mostly republican) come to mind.

They can still sell bullshiat, but at least it is easier to see if it is bullshiat.


The problem is that once people buy something, they tend to swear it's not bullshiat because they don't want to admit they were foolish.
 
2013-03-27 09:10:22 PM
If this turns out to be true, it's a problem that will solve itself. People aren't just going to quietly lay down and starve to death.
 
2013-03-27 09:40:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps we need to pass through the Hell of "terrafoam" to reach the Paradise of Vertebrane.


Am I the only one who finds both outcomes unappealing? I mean, in the second you have no privacy at all and can be remotely controlled by a computer whenever it disapproves of your actions. That doesn't sound like paradise to me.
 
2013-03-27 10:20:59 PM

Gunther: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps we need to pass through the Hell of "terrafoam" to reach the Paradise of Vertebrane.

Am I the only one who finds both outcomes unappealing? I mean, in the second you have no privacy at all and can be remotely controlled by a computer whenever it disapproves of your actions. That doesn't sound like paradise to me.


I agree- a miserable free man is better than a content slave.
 
2013-03-27 10:46:57 PM

Rockstone: Gunther: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps we need to pass through the Hell of "terrafoam" to reach the Paradise of Vertebrane.

Am I the only one who finds both outcomes unappealing? I mean, in the second you have no privacy at all and can be remotely controlled by a computer whenever it disapproves of your actions. That doesn't sound like paradise to me.

I agree- a miserable free man is better than a content slave.


The first outcome was not free. Freedom is a social construct and is very relative.

I like where the author went in the end by basically distinguishing a human as a brain and nothing else. If you think about it, freedom of mind all that really matters. If you can and wish to discard/automate the body, so be it. What does it really matter as long as your mind is free and able to do whatever it wants?
 
2013-03-27 10:51:32 PM

Gunther: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps we need to pass through the Hell of "terrafoam" to reach the Paradise of Vertebrane.

Am I the only one who finds both outcomes unappealing? I mean, in the second you have no privacy at all and can be remotely controlled by a computer whenever it disapproves of your actions. That doesn't sound like paradise to me.


I honestly was expecting some sort of matrix-like twist the whole last chapter, where he'd agree to have the Vertebrane added only to become a slave in his own body.
 
2013-03-27 11:07:37 PM
I think you missed the second 'l' in 'wordllwide', subby. It's a common mistake.
 
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