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2013-03-27 08:07:49 AM
9 votes:
Meanwhile, my 6 year old girl loves her gay aunt and gay uncle, and their respective partners.  Hatred is a learned behavior.
2013-03-27 07:38:21 AM
9 votes:
Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?

This is not the first time it's been done.

And what next? Should single parents have their kids taken away from them and placed in foster homes because they don't have both a mommy and a daddy?

I saw someone on some news program last night from a very poorly named organization - something like the American Freedom League (I don't remember the exact name) arguing against the freedom for gays in the US to get married. He said something about gay marriage being forced on everyone, but unless there is a movement to force me to get married to another man that I don't know about then being against gay marriage is just crazy.

Newsflash: Gay people already live together and many of them already have children. Most Americans believe gay people should be allowed to marry, but the more I hear about it the more I think marriage should be left to churches instead of the law. Civil unions for everyone in the eyes of the law. If a church doesn't want to perform a ceremony for a gay couple, they shouldn't be forced to, but if you want legal protections just hire a lawyer and sign a contract instead of getting a marriage certificate (yes, that goes for heterosexual couples too). It should be fairly boiler-plate.

I don't care if God does hate f homosexuals. We all have different ideas about "god" and we have separation of church and state. This nonsense needs to end.
2013-03-27 07:18:17 AM
7 votes:
Using your child to make an unpopular political point, then claiming she's the victim of attacks on the Internet, is absolutely despicable! You put your child in the line of fire. You made her a target. And now you claim she is being harmed by such vicious slander? Actually, I agree. You, Homophobic Mom & Dad, have harmed your little girl. She should be placed with a family that actually has her best interests at heart.

Perhaps a loving same-sex set of parents will do the job you have so badly botched up?
2013-03-27 07:02:48 AM
7 votes:
Gracie's parents must be so proud to have their little girl parroting their ignorance and fear. I'm sure they'll be just as proud in 5 or 10 years when she and her wife get married.
2013-03-27 10:36:02 AM
4 votes:
s3-ec.buzzfed.com
2013-03-27 10:25:34 AM
4 votes:

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


Yep.

And if you can't tell the difference between tolerance over someones race and sexual orientation and tolerance over someones hateful ideas, then you're a god damn idiot.
2013-03-27 10:36:55 AM
3 votes:

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.
2013-03-27 10:11:06 AM
3 votes:
Being the dad of an 11 year old I can say that the parents of this kid deserve a big FAIL.  My kids opinion is why does anybody care whether two people want to get married or not regardless of what sex they are.  She really does not see what all the fuss is about.  Of course she calls her classmates her in the heart of the bible belt ignorant twits at times also.
2013-03-27 10:10:03 AM
3 votes:
I can't decide whether this is one of those situations where the messenger emphasizes the illogic of the message, or one of those situations where the messenger manages to cut through the bullfark and really demonstrate the childishness of the anti-marriage idiots out there.
2013-03-27 10:06:58 AM
3 votes:
"Even though I'm only 11 years old, I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad," Grace said. "If you change the law to say two moms and two dads can get married, it would take away something very important for children like me across the state."


Wow, I missed this part of the agenda. I didn't know that by supporting gay Marriage I was supporting children being taken from their parents. I love my daughter and my stepsons quite a bit, so this just won't work. Does anyone have the specifics on this? Do they take all of your kids, just one of your kids, or maybe take all BUT one of them? I was always under the impression that families would go on as before, and I am VERY concerned about this new twist. Thank God I had an 11-year old to show me the way.


I guess this affects single parents, too? Anyone know how THAT part is going to work? Will theytake those kids away, or force them to marry someone so that the kids have "a mom and a dad"? Or do they have the technology to reanimate dead bodies, and legislation outlawing divorce? Will they force people to get married if a woman becomes pregnant? This all seems very important... Maybe Grace knows.
2013-03-27 10:04:40 AM
3 votes:
Oh look how adorable she is, and how can you possibly deny the simple wisdom of a child?

This tactic is tired. Advertisers use this strategy everyday to override rational thought and evoke an emotional one. It's cheap, manipulative, and an affront to well reasoned argumentation.
2013-03-27 09:33:54 AM
3 votes:
Is she arguing against divorce,?  That's going to bust up waaay more families than gay marriage.  Or is one of her secretly gay parents going to leave if gay marriage is OK'd?

No, wait, she's making a pro-choice argument since all children must have two parents in order to be happy and successful, right?

smh
2013-03-28 06:53:12 AM
2 votes:
Wrong to use kids this way.

Of course, no one had a problem a few weeks ago when the video of the young boy defending gay marriage was posted. Then, he was enlightened for his age, not parroting his parents opinion.
2013-03-27 03:04:52 PM
2 votes:
"girl reminds everyone that taking away gay people's rights..."

Based on the article the right of gay marriage has not yet been granted - therefore nothing is being taken away at this time.

Based on this logic any thing that anyone wants can be classified as a right that is being removed from them.
2013-03-27 12:55:20 PM
2 votes:
11-year-old girl: "Since every child needs a mom and a dad to be born, I don't think we can change that children need a mom and a dad. I believe God made it that way. "

God took my father in a car accident when I was four.  I don't think he cares that some people don't have a mother and father.
2013-03-27 12:33:31 PM
2 votes:
So when Obama and the lobs use kids to promote gun control it's ok.  But let a kid talk against LGBT stuff it's wrong. Gotcha, I understand now.
2013-03-27 11:48:11 AM
2 votes:

bigmoneygrip: jaytkay: [www.motherjones.com image 635x422]

Why am I not surprised that the woman dressing the child in the finest KKK leisurewear has fat arms?  I'm sure if they showed her face and body she'd possess beauty that would make me toss Summer Glau aside like an empty Schlitz can.


Don't get me wrong, I hate Nazis as much as anybody, but can we *please* stop trying to ridicule people's views by pointing out some aspect of their appearance we find objectionable?  This shiat cuts both ways -- for instance if I said that hey, nobody should listen to Rosa Parks talk about tolerance because she had cankles?  If we do it, they can do it.
2013-03-27 11:43:08 AM
2 votes:
Which parent do I not need, my mom or my dad?

Grace paused twice and asked that same question two times before closing with: "I hope that you can see that every child needs a mom and a dad. Please don't change your law on marriage to say otherwise."


Wow, I wonder how this kid is going to handle DIVORCE?

---

She is right that a Mom and Dad both bring something to a family, but every family situation is not ideal or perfect. Having a brother and sister bring something important, too, but some people are only children. Some people will never know what it's like to have an older sibling, and some will never know what it's like to have a younger one. For that matter, people are also born white or black, male or female. People will only know life from their own unique perspective.

The whole point of Life is that we see and experience things differently.

Other people are DIFFERENT from you. Give them the freedom to be different. Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it.

/and needless to say other peoples' rights don't "take away" anything. That's a huuuuge gap in the logic of these people.
2013-03-27 11:15:50 AM
2 votes:
Reminds me of these gals...

i.huffpost.com

Now transformed into peace-loving, pot smoking, hippies...my how age makes fools of us all.
2013-03-27 10:43:35 AM
2 votes:

Ant: Happy Hours: Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?

No, you're not. I farking hate it too, even (especially) when I agree with whatever point is being made.


*sigh*. This.

Do NOT put your kids out in public if they are saying anything more controversial than "Puppies are cute!" and "Apple pie is yummy!"
2013-03-27 10:21:47 AM
2 votes:
Well, what do you know?  An 11-year-old CAN be a coont.
2013-03-27 10:17:11 AM
2 votes:

lawlz: Taking away rights?  Are you kidding me?  It's asking for special rights and cramming sick ideals down everyone's throats.  Kudos to the girl for trying, but unfortunately there are too many liberal activist judges and legislators.  The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.


0/10.
2013-03-27 10:13:33 AM
2 votes:
She can go eat a dick.

An appropriately-aged dick, to be sure.

But nonetheless, an entire bag of dicks for her.
2013-03-27 10:07:23 AM
2 votes:

MmmmBacon: Using your child to make an unpopular political point, then claiming she's the victim of attacks on the Internet, is absolutely despicable! You put your child in the line of fire. You made her a target. And now you claim she is being harmed by such vicious slander? Actually, I agree. You, Homophobic Mom & Dad, have harmed your little girl. She should be placed with a family that actually has her best interests at heart.

Perhaps a loving same-sex set of parents will do the job you have so badly botched up?


Takin' kids from their parents for thoughtcrime. Nope, no Gay Agenda there!
2013-03-27 10:04:32 AM
2 votes:
Sixth grade girls like to declare things as being "obvious" and aren't eager to be convinced otherwise? Quick! To the Romero-copter!!
2013-03-27 10:00:28 AM
2 votes:
Because, when you're looking for advice on sex and happiness an 11 year old's advice is king.

....f*cking stupid.Who gives a sh*t what other people think? If you love someone, and you're attracted to them that's life. People who don't understand that can take a long walk off a short pier. What happens between consenting adults is their damn business. Not yours. Not mine.
2013-03-27 09:11:07 AM
2 votes:

doglover: nekom: Meanwhile, my 6 year old girl loves her gay aunt and gay uncle, and their respective partners.  Hatred is a learned behavior.

It really isn't. Kids hate EVERYTHING naturally.

Tollerance is the learned behavior. And obviously your girl was raised well.


As the father of 5 year old daughter I respectfully disagree with this assertion.
2013-03-27 08:52:36 AM
2 votes:

nekom: Meanwhile, my 6 year old girl loves her gay aunt and gay uncle, and their respective partners.  Hatred is a learned behavior.


20 years ago the best babysitter I ever had was Mary, and my daughter loved her and her assortment of girlfriends. My daughter and both of Mary's children are straight, healthy and very well adjusted.

/css
2013-03-27 07:53:42 AM
2 votes:
Why is an 11 y/o even speaking at something like this? If those were her father's views then he should have spoken, but I guess bigotry sounds better when coming from a kid.
2013-03-27 08:31:49 PM
1 votes:

kc278: omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?

Erm, I'm a single father of a 13-year-old girl. And while I occassionally have to seek "expert advice" -- from, for example, my daughter's (female) doctor -- she's not inordinately reticent to talk to me about lady stuff. I respectully suspect the position you coming from reflects your own unease.

When it came time not too long ago to buy my daughter her first bra, I did a little Googling, got out the measuring tape, and took her to the store to buy a couple different styles. No biggie. Same thing with feminine hygiene products (to this point, OTC medicine for a minor yeast infection and sanitary pads). Again, no big deal. Of course, I also buy her make-up, nail polish, perfumed soaps (probably the cause of the yeast infection, btw), etc., etc., often as not when she's not with me. I have not once felt embarrased or "weird" about it.

I'm her parent, I'm responsible for her, and I love her, and I don't let my own ignorance or masculine self-image get in the way.


Cool Story, Bro.

Regardless to popular belief;
1. You cannot read your daughters mind. You are operating
2. Even if you are correct, your anecdotal evidence does not encompass the whole reality of what it may be like for other children and their parents.

Just because your daughter is ok with talking about such things to you, does not mean every other kid will turn out the same way with their parent(s), or that your rather unique relationship will last.

Don't get me wrong, good for you.  I appreciate your situation and admire your ability to adapt and the willingness to go the extra mile. You sound like a great parent, and I wouldn't dare to say anything negative about your specific skill in that area, and indeed, was not saying anything.

But no, I'm not speaking from only my own experience with my parents(and hence projecting my own supposed "unease"), or with any possible kids, but from the perspective of all the people I've known through my whole life that I've discussed such things with.  Everyone has a different tale, even(especially) multiple children from the same parents.

kiwimoogle84: I've been on the fence about this issue before and I'm starting to decide where I lay with things.


That is one of the things I've always loved about Fark.  An idea conveyed can touch many.  A person can discuss such things and maybe have a positive impact on people, as where any random person spouting such beliefs in public is seen as preachy or creepy or just plain offensive(crazy old man on random street corner on his soap box).

Fark does have a kind of power to it, you saw that when you created the thread last week for VB.  That was a great thing, magic happened and needs were met.

In reality, random people don't just butt in with a perspective, and if they do they quite often put people off.

But on fark, where one can speak at length without interruption or be limited by social convention, the subtlest things have a potential to shine.  Despite the coarse and gruff nature that anonymity breeds, some such communities allow for a certain..elegance or brilliance to float to the top.

Fark does that well, because it is not a topical community(say, a forum for discussing only vehicles, or guns), but rather a community that approaches all topics.

I've learned a lot here, from evolution to psychology to sociology to history to well, all the more concrete sciences.  If not from the people, from  a posted link and/or the need to tab over to google and do my own research to understand what someone else is saying.  I love this place, despite the instream of trolls/alts and one off people that think, "Hey, this must be like twitter, I'll be a rockstar here!"

Sometimes, you've got to find it lying in the dirt to really appreciate something.
2013-03-27 05:57:01 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?


Erm, I'm a single father of a 13-year-old girl. And while I occassionally have to seek "expert advice" -- from, for example, my daughter's (female) doctor -- she's not inordinately reticent to talk to me about lady stuff. I respectully suspect the position you coming from reflects your own unease.

When it came time not too long ago to buy my daughter her first bra, I did a little Googling, got out the measuring tape, and took her to the store to buy a couple different styles. No biggie. Same thing with feminine hygiene products (to this point, OTC medicine for a minor yeast infection and sanitary pads). Again, no big deal. Of course, I also buy her make-up, nail polish, perfumed soaps (probably the cause of the yeast infection, btw), etc., etc., often as not when she's not with me. I have not once felt embarrased or "weird" about it.

I'm her parent, I'm responsible for her, and I love her, and I don't let my own ignorance or masculine self-image get in the way.
2013-03-27 04:41:46 PM
1 votes:

funk_soul_bubby:  

It's unfortunate we have to be so quick to pigeonhole one another. How in the world some people claim to be enlightened about this or that but won't sit down to listen, that I can't understand. I was taught to listen to everybody, love everybody, and be fair to everybody, and that came from my mother and, ironically, the church. So I don't really know what group I'm supposed to be in.


Well, you're welcome. Once the crazy extremists bluster themselves out, usually the people not blinded by fear or hatred remain. I've been on the fence about this issue before and I'm starting to decide where I lay with things. There are far worse things in this country than whether or not two loving people get rights equal to other citizens.
2013-03-27 02:45:59 PM
1 votes:
Unmoved, the House committee voted in favor of the gay marriage bill and sent it to the full House.

What!? They didn't let the words some ignorant adults prompted an 11-year-old girl to say influence their decision. Way to set that girl up for failure, by the way, dickholes. Hopefully she doesn't feel like she personally let all the little kids with two mommies down.

Obviously what nobody has taught her is that what is beneficial about having two loving parents is not that there is a penis and a vagina under the same roof, but that a child is able to witness, first hand, the give and take that goes on in a successful relationship; how to work together to conquer common problems and accomplish common goals; how to solve problems by utilizing social ties; learning that sometimes you must sacrifice something you want or want to do for the sake of your partner's desires. It's about learning to live together as adults in a healthy, productive way--not about inserting tab A into slot B.
2013-03-27 02:36:13 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.


I don't necessarily think that's enough.(It may sound bad, but bear with me for the whole post please)  A male child may have a hard time confiding in either female parent, or visa versa, especially if the child were straight.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?

There is a certain amount sexism inherent in psychology, in that we tend to be more relaxed and at ease with people of the same sex(Even as adults, same sex locker rooms, same sex nurses must be present, witnessing of pee tests, etc) as the potential experience there is the same.

It's good to learn to over come that as much as possible, but when it's an intimate issue a child should at least have the option.  Children are not necessarily able to to think it through and be ok with it as adults are, and at that time, dealing with the specific issue is more important than teaching the child the right way to treat people(which by that age the kid is likely already ok with it)

I hope that doesn't come off as some sort of bigotry, it's really not.  It's a temporary tolerance in the face of what may be a larger problem.  Very temporary, they've the whole rest of their up bringing to come to terms with accepting other people, but that moment when they're really in need, it should be available.

Also, I don't buy into ascribing masculine and feminine archetypes for personalities or activities.  I don't think it's any more healthy than saying "men's work" or "women's work", because it implies the same concept....it just sounds a bit nicer.  I just call it "work".
Most of those archetypes can be discarded.  Cooking is not "feminine", nor is child rearing, color preference, or a million other little things(ie toy preferences). Being timid, or strong willed, aggressive, etc.  None of them are necessarily belonging to any given sex, and deeming them masculine and feminine only propogates prejudice.

About the only way I can think of it remaining useful, having a justified use, is physical descriptors.  A feminine male is more lithe and graceful.  a masculine female is more sturdy and strong.  In that case, it is inherent to what, across most species is, is a physical aspect of the sexes.
2013-03-27 01:17:28 PM
1 votes:
This country was formed on the basis that it would favor no religion over the other.  That our laws would be not be based on one religion over the other.  Our "found fathers were deitist (sp) not necessarily 'Christian'". I have heard that gay marriage will bring down straight marriage (although I can't see how straight marraige can get any lower), but I have yet to hear an explanation as to HOW a gay marriage will affect straight marraige.  Marriage is a civil issue, a contractual issue between two consenting adults.  I don't see where a contract must be between adults of the opposite sex.  So if two consenting adults enter into a binding contract that is allowed by law, what they do in their bedroom is no ones business but their own.  Marriage that is sanctioned by a church or not sanctioned by a church is none of the government's business.  So this whole "gay" marriage should really be a non-issue.  Although, we do have so many religious folks who believe their religion is the only right one and we should all bow to that religion...however, I see religion as a cult and as cults they brainwash you and tell you what to believe.  Once you are a member of a religion you lose the ability to think for yourself.  I prefer to think for myself and thereby reviewing all opinions and then making my own decisions.  Opinions are like assholes, we all have them and the usuall stink!!
2013-03-27 11:39:48 AM
1 votes:

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


I don't have to tolerate a hateful bigot, 11-years-old or not.

/biatch is a coont
2013-03-27 11:17:04 AM
1 votes:
Her dad needs a vicious ass-kicking to give him perspective. farking victim mentality makes me sick.
2013-03-27 11:06:33 AM
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.


I posted the wrong link above. The storybehind it is awesome.
2013-03-27 11:04:03 AM
1 votes:

Ant: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

Holy shiat! When and where was that taken? That's child abuse.


Go and learn.

// no, really - this is a freaking awesome story
// I think this should be Lesson The First in every PSYC101 class ever
Ant
2013-03-27 10:57:41 AM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]


Holy shiat! When and where was that taken? That's child abuse.
Ant
2013-03-27 10:54:57 AM
1 votes:

lawlz: The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.


Because two consenting adults getting hitched is  exactly the same as an adult farking a kid.
2013-03-27 10:54:02 AM
1 votes:
Dick Cheney is pro gay marriage. You really want your kids to be to the right of him?
2013-03-27 10:53:12 AM
1 votes:

xtalman: aagrajag: wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.

She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.

You know how I know you have never been around 11 year olds....

They can have pretty strong opinions, of course their opinions are based on what the adults around them say but they can be very strong willed.  As they get older and learn to read and find out other views on things their opinions can be become different from their parents.  I can only hope this is true of most kids in a good sense.


The vehemence with which they state those opinions does not relate to the extent to which they've actually thought them out. Of course, that's also applicable to most adults.

//teacher, actually
2013-03-27 10:49:05 AM
1 votes:
I'm not going to comment on the parents. All I want to say is that I think it's really sad that this girl was in this position period.
2013-03-27 10:48:43 AM
1 votes:

aagrajag: wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.

She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.


You know how I know you have never been around 11 year olds....

They can have pretty strong opinions, of course their opinions are based on what the adults around them say but they can be very strong willed.  As they get older and learn to read and find out other views on things their opinions can be become different from their parents.  I can only hope this is true of most kids in a good sense.
2013-03-27 10:45:11 AM
1 votes:
And for the rest of her life this will follow her around. Thanks a lot, Dad!

/christ what an asshole
Ant
2013-03-27 10:39:42 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?


No, you're not. I farking hate it too, even (especially) when I agree with whatever point is being made.
2013-03-27 10:38:45 AM
1 votes:
FTA: Jeff also claimed he had "lost" many freedoms, but didn't name which ones specifically.
"Supporters of gay marriage are deceitfully claiming that the legalization of gay marriage won't affect our religious freedoms or freedom of speech. I do not believe them," he told CNSNews.com.


Guy plays victim, prances around a woefully ignorant daughter, and wants deny me my rights because he thinks it's icky and makes him uncomfortable. Dear Lord I hope this girl gets to college, and sees the world outside of the bubble her parents have placed her in.
2013-03-27 10:37:20 AM
1 votes:
She is going to feel so silly in a few years when she's using her mouth for more enjoyable things, such as pleasuring her female college roommate.
2013-03-27 10:35:57 AM
1 votes:
Why would anyone care about a 11-year olds opinions on this?  Wouldn't it be easier to just ask her parents who told her what to say?
2013-03-27 10:27:15 AM
1 votes:
When I was 11, I was arguing with my father as to why he shouldn't be shunning his youngest brother for being gay.

Dad turned around about the time my uncle started wasting away from AIDS.  Too little, too late.

I suspect this kid will turn a 180 just like those Aryan Nation Twins not long ago.
2013-03-27 10:25:24 AM
1 votes:

Masta Kronix: Mikey1969: "These attacks on Grace are an example of how we have already lost many of these freedoms. In fact, it's so bad, they aren't afraid to viscously attack an 11-year-old girl. Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota."

Either that, or they are an example of people exercising their right to Free Speech? There is absolutely no reason to send threats and hate mail to an 11 year old girl, but that's not an example of freedoms being taken away...

And in answer to grace's question, it looks like the parent you don't need is your idiotic father. He's dragging you down, sweetheart.

Child hasn't received threats, just hate mail.

Don't care how old the child is. You don't want hate mail, learn not to publicly demand the rights of a whole populace of the United States continue to be taken away. It's only because we tolerate such hatred and bigotry that it's allowed to flourish like we've seen.

This child shouldn't fear violent or physical retaliation but has to learn that there will be an outpouring of people who are repulsed and sickened by her attitude and what she is trying to preach. She's advocating for the rights of human beings to be continued to be denied, it's only natural for people to lash back at her.


To be fair, if she had been speaking in support if gay marriage, she would have recieved hatemail all the same.
2013-03-27 10:23:54 AM
1 votes:
Some extremely attractice folks who are pro-marriage equality should seduce the kids' parents and break up their marriage.

It really would probably be a more healthy environment for raising a girl who obviously has had a negative, hate-filled beginning to life.
2013-03-27 10:23:26 AM
1 votes:
So the father is worried that gay marriage will, somehow, affect his freedom of speech, and at the same time he's upset about people exercising their own in online comments about his daughter, who he allowed to pull this publicity stunt.
2013-03-27 10:19:35 AM
1 votes:

bigmoneygrip: jaytkay: [www.motherjones.com image 635x422]

Why am I not surprised that the woman dressing the child in the finest KKK leisurewear has fat arms?  I'm sure if they showed her face and body she'd possess beauty that would make me toss Summer Glau aside like an empty Schlitz can.



In the words of Jesse Custer, "Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it?"
2013-03-27 10:17:45 AM
1 votes:
I am sure her idiot parents are very proud of the precious little idiot that they have raised.
2013-03-27 10:17:17 AM
1 votes:
I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.
2013-03-27 10:15:35 AM
1 votes:
Taking away rights?  Are you kidding me?  It's asking for special rights and cramming sick ideals down everyone's throats.  Kudos to the girl for trying, but unfortunately there are too many liberal activist judges and legislators.  The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.
2013-03-27 10:13:48 AM
1 votes:

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: people get to walk around telling everyone from a different denomination or religion that they aren't really married because they weren't married in a Reformed Baptist Church of God Reformation of 1915 or whatever their flavor of religion is? Or if a church chooses to marry a gay couple should members of other churches be obliged to recognize that as a legitimate marriage?


Theoretically this is already believed by the people who would do this.  Plenty of sects say you're going to hell for being the wrong kind of Christian, and there have been wars over it.  If you're dead-certain you're following the correct religion, then everyone else is wrong and therefore those marriages are false.  If you're not such a zealot, the logical conclusion is to let the other denominations/religions do their thing while you do yours, and stay the fark out of their business.
2013-03-27 10:12:28 AM
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Wow, this is going to be really embarrassing for her when she gets older.


Semi-relatedly, I think the Onion, as usual, hit the nail on the head in regards to the gay marriage issue:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure- wh o-cares,31812/
2013-03-27 10:11:41 AM
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Nurglitch: the messenger manages to cut through the bullfark and really demonstrate the childishness of the anti-marriage idiots out there


awesome +1
2013-03-27 10:10:22 AM
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"These attacks on Grace are an example of how we have already lost many of these freedoms. In fact, it's so bad, they aren't afraid to viscously attack an 11-year-old girl. Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota."

Either that, or they are an example of people exercising their right to Free Speech? There is absolutely no reason to send threats and hate mail to an 11 year old girl, but that's not an example of freedoms being taken away...

And in answer to grace's question, it looks like the parent you don't need is your idiotic father. He's dragging you down, sweetheart.
2013-03-27 10:09:58 AM
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jaytkay: [www.motherjones.com image 635x422]


Why am I not surprised that the woman dressing the child in the finest KKK leisurewear has fat arms?  I'm sure if they showed her face and body she'd possess beauty that would make me toss Summer Glau aside like an empty Schlitz can.
2013-03-27 10:05:26 AM
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Even though I'm only 11 years old, I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad," Grace said. "If you change the law to say two moms and two dads can get married, it would take away something very important for children like me across the state.

Yes of course you insufferable idiot, if the gays can get married they are going to use up every single marriage license which of course would prevent your friend Timmy from ever having a dad and a mom.

Where's the parent of this twat so I can smack them around some and remind them its not nice to stuff your impressionable children full of moron ideas.
2013-03-27 10:05:14 AM
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mekki: When she is in her twenties she is probably going to look back at this and want to die from embarrassment for ever believing this way.


That all depends on how good of a job they do indoctrinating her for the next 10 years. So far so good I guess.
2013-03-27 10:02:48 AM
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grokca: Why is an 11 y/o even speaking at something like this? If those were her father's views then he should have spoken, but I guess bigotry sounds better when coming from a kid.


And then he has the chutzpah to complain about "colorful words" on the internet from "anonymous posters." Maybe if these posters had their kids doing the colorful wording, he'd be OK with it.

What a putz.
2013-03-27 10:01:41 AM
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When she is in her twenties she is probably going to look back at this and want to die from embarrassment for ever believing this way.
2013-03-27 10:01:29 AM
1 votes:
In other news my 11 year old daughter cannot understand why some people care if gay people get married since "they are just normal people like everybody else".
2013-03-27 10:00:24 AM
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AbbeySomeone: Gracie's parents must be so proud to have their little girl parroting their ignorance and fear.


MmmmBacon: Using your child to make an unpopular political point, then claiming she's the victim of attacks on the Internet, is absolutely despicable!

Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?


grokca: If those were her father's views then he should have spoken, but I guess bigotry sounds better when coming from a kid.


This, this, this, this, this, and this.
2013-03-27 09:13:44 AM
1 votes:
Get them to church young, teach the fear!
2013-03-27 08:58:18 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Meanwhile, my 6 year old girl loves her gay aunt and gay uncle, and their respective partners.  Hatred is a learned behavior.


It really isn't. Kids hate EVERYTHING naturally.

Tollerance is the learned behavior. And obviously your girl was raised well.
2013-03-27 08:52:05 AM
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Happy Hours:
Most Americans believe gay people should be allowed to marry, but the more I hear about it the more I think marriage should be left to churches instead of the law.

I never got this idea - basically everyone has civil unions but then you only get to say you're married if a church (presumably you mean all organized religious institutions) signs off on it. But them what - people get to walk around telling everyone from a different denomination or religion that they aren't really married because they weren't married in a Reformed Baptist Church of God Reformation of 1915 or whatever their flavor of religion is? Or if a church chooses to marry a gay couple should members of other churches be obliged to recognize that as a legitimate marriage?
2013-03-27 07:12:55 AM
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AbbeySomeone: Gracie's parents must be so proud to have their little girl parroting their ignorance and fear. I'm sure they'll be just as proud in 5 or 10 years when she and her wife get married.


Uh...she'd be 16 or 21, respectively. Anyone marrying that young needs a good smack.
 
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