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2013-03-27 03:15:30 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: But the homosexuals never let it go aat just this, they want ypunger and younger sex partners. The left wants no age of consent no rules no law no morality.


Can we just deal with one issue at a time? We're not talking about age of consent.
 
2013-03-27 03:27:41 PM
"Since every child needs a mom and a dad to be born, I don't think we can change that children need a mom and a dad. I believe God made it that way. I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need, my mom or my dad?"

Which Phelps is her mommy, I wonder?
 
2013-03-27 03:32:13 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: But the homosexuals never let it go aat just this, they want ypunger and younger sex partners. The left wants no age of consent no rules no law no morality.


Are those the special rights I keep hearing mentioned, and yet not mentioned?  Teh geys want to marry, say, 11 year olds?  (You're right about us leftists, though.  I want my hot gay pedophile sex, and the only thing keeping me from it are these damned laws and morality.)

So there's your bite.

kiwimoogle84: Yeah, I'm waiting for some troll to tell me to get back in the kitchen, and tits or GTFO.


Is it trolling if I'm alright with you staying, but ASK for tits or GTFO?

/Oblig./I keed, etc.
//Stay, you seem fun
///Three
 
2013-03-27 03:33:34 PM
FTFA: "Since every child needs a mom and a dad to be born, I don't think we can change that children need a mom and a dad. I believe God made it that way. I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need, my mom or my dad?"

Your dad, because he is a closet homosexual.
 
2013-03-27 03:42:08 PM

MayoSlather: Oh look how adorable she is, and how can you possibly deny the simple wisdom of a child?

This tactic is tired. Advertisers use this strategy everyday to override rational thought and evoke an emotional one. It's cheap, manipulative, and an affront to well reasoned argumentation.


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-03-27 03:50:43 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: indarwinsshadow: Because, when you're looking for advice on sex and happiness an 11 year old's advice is king.

....f*cking stupid.Who gives a sh*t what other people think? If you love someone, and you're attracted to them that's life. People who don't understand that can take a long walk off a short pier. What happens between consenting adults is their damn business. Not yours. Not mine.

But the homosexuals never let it go aat just this, they want ypunger and younger sex partners. The left wants no age of consent no rules no law no morality.


gifs.gifbin.com
 
2013-03-27 03:54:27 PM
There are just sooo many people in this thread that need a solid cock punching. What a terrible piece of shiat some of you must be to actively deny people the same rights you have just for being born. I hope you all get ass-cancer, and no, I don't care if that makes me a worse person than the bigot, I'm already married. fark bigots.

/I am bigoted towards bigots
//bigoted bigot bigoting bigots. Penis.
 
2013-03-27 04:05:55 PM

omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: But your point can be invalidated by mentioning single parents. Ify mom had died and I was raised by my father, I'd have the same birds and bees issue, would I not? I'd probably call my grandma or aunt, which is likely what these kids might do.

You do make a good argument that made me think though.

Well, it goes inline with my original statement, aunts uncles etc, they can all count.  Maybe I should have referenced that, but it's a whole concept, not a different argument altogether, so it's not invalidated as such.

Some families do not have that, and I brought that up with home schooled kids.

No kid should be sheltered to the point where he/she misses out on that exposure.  And I don't mean seeing the 1 male once a week at the grocery store either. I mean honest to goodness friends and family.  It's real and frequent social exposure that's bigotry busting, not sparse glimpses.

A lesbian couple with a kid that doesn't let their kid hang out with or get to know straights, is no better than a christian male/female couple that likewise restricts who their kid has access to.(well, statistically speaking, their religious views, if any, would likely be less poisonous, but that's beside the main point)

Not implying any specific couple does that, but you know it's likely that it's happened.(your example just happened to remind me of the concept)

I don't hold anything against single parents in general either.  It can be tougher on them to make sure the child has the right resources(that's a pretty apt way of putting it I suppose) to help deal with their problems, but not impossible.


In the ideal world kids would be exposed to different couples but during the local schools parent meeting on sex ed a father actually said he did not think his 11 year old knew that there were such things as homosexuals.   Most of these "Christian Value" folks pretty much shelter themselves and families from people who think differently.  You know they might sin if they had to think about something vs. believing what is told in some version of a very old set of books that have been translated who knowns how many times.

/Not sure who to be sad for, ignorant dad or said kid of dad.
//I like the books, the stories are good and actually should make you think vs. taking them at there word.
 
2013-03-27 04:07:54 PM

kiwimoogle84: I honestly see both sides, and I fit nowhere. I am absolutely for gay rights, which pisses off my conservative friends, and MAJORLY against elective abortions, which pisses off my liberal friends. So I'm used to having these kinds of debates constantly.


I'm fairly right-leaning (which is a loose definition) farm kid, Dad's a deacon in the Baptist church I grew up in, but I have no disagreement with gay marriage, only some of the concerns about social learning, role models, and other psychological aspects for the children of a same-sex couple, much as omeganuepsilon has alluded to. And much the same, it is not from a bad heart that I have those concerns. So I probably fit nowhere as well, and I've been lurking through these threads for three days afraid to post anything for fear of a poo fling. I think most of those people are way up the queue now. I appreciate you guys for having a reasonable conversation. I was starting to wonder if those ceased to exist. I think a LOT of people are staying away from talking about this issue because of the extreme feelings people express in one form or another.

It's unfortunate we have to be so quick to pigeonhole one another. How in the world some people claim to be enlightened about this or that but won't sit down to listen, that I can't understand. I was taught to listen to everybody, love everybody, and be fair to everybody, and that came from my mother and, ironically, the church. So I don't really know what group I'm supposed to be in.
 
2013-03-27 04:18:32 PM

xtalman: Most of these "Christian Value" folks pretty much shelter themselves and families from people who think differently.


While that is a shame, they're not the only sorts to do that, or shelter in general.

In today's age, everyone socializes a bit less on the whole.  The internet delivers a wide array of information and trading of ideas, which largely gets ignored for it's simpler entertainment potential.

Even fark, cool as it is, is not the same as interacting with people.  It can fill the desire, but does not provide all the other things real interaction does, such as reading people's reactions in expression or allow for any real bonding.
 
2013-03-27 04:32:50 PM
Christ this chick is gonna be a great lay in college.
 
2013-03-27 04:41:46 PM

funk_soul_bubby:  

It's unfortunate we have to be so quick to pigeonhole one another. How in the world some people claim to be enlightened about this or that but won't sit down to listen, that I can't understand. I was taught to listen to everybody, love everybody, and be fair to everybody, and that came from my mother and, ironically, the church. So I don't really know what group I'm supposed to be in.


Well, you're welcome. Once the crazy extremists bluster themselves out, usually the people not blinded by fear or hatred remain. I've been on the fence about this issue before and I'm starting to decide where I lay with things. There are far worse things in this country than whether or not two loving people get rights equal to other citizens.
 
2013-03-27 04:47:03 PM

funk_soul_bubby: I appreciate you guys for having a reasonable conversation. I was starting to wonder if those ceased to exist.


They do seem to be a bit rarer than they used to be, but they are why I have stuck around Fark so long.  When they do happen everyone comes away a bit better or more enlightened.

funk_soul_bubby: So I don't really know what group I'm supposed to be in.


That's the thing, just do what makes you happy.  You have no duty to please others, maybe keep it buttoned for the sake of peace(I do with family), but by and large do as you will.  You don't have a role that you have to fill.(an apt statement considering the topic).

Good god I sound like a hippy.  I'm sure I can be more cynical about it if I tried, but I'm half debating a nap....  I'll give it a quick shot.

I think too much pressure is put on "accepting" people for who they are.  I think the idea is rubbish.
Polite, sure.
Abiding, sure.
I don't give respect to everyone, but I do treat them as if I respect them.  IMO, genuine respect is a thing that must be earned or proven.  Hence the whole "takes it for granted" phrase's origin.

Accepting, to me, carries connotations similar to love and admiration.  I think preaching the sentiment too much and people coming to believe it almost lends to a sense of entitlement or hubris, and a deficit in humbleness.

Same as any spoiled child, even adults can fall into that trap.  I think generations far removed were quite intelligent, in that they deemed pride to be a sin.  People should be encouraged to be fine with who they are, but not prideful of it.  Sure, boast over achievement, but not what you are by default.

Yes, oppressed people need encouragement, or maybe comfort in that they need to build confidence, but I think pride is a dangerous tool to use in that situation, and why I dislike the gay "pride" movement.  Constantly preaching pride teaches people that they're above, not equal, and it goes so far as to short circuit what may have been good intent and results in a state where there's more strife than needed.

There...that's better.  More like the omega people would recognize.  As I said earlier I like to bring the rationality, but I also like to have just a tiny tinge.  That way I can sort out the reactionary jerkwads from the people that will give it some effort and try and understand a point.  As I said, respect should be earned(and likewise, lost, otherwise people are only nice at first...).

Then again, if more people like us are around and less of the others(and a good point, most of them don't stick around later in threads..however, the one's that do are tenacious), I wouldn't feel compelled to identify them.  What's the word, jaded?  paranoid?

Anyhow

Best to you and Kiwi, you both have earned my respect for now.  Here's to many more such discussions. *raises pillow in a toast*
I'll be having that nap now.
 
2013-03-27 05:13:31 PM

funk_soul_bubby: kiwimoogle84: I honestly see both sides, and I fit nowhere. I am absolutely for gay rights, which pisses off my conservative friends, and MAJORLY against elective abortions, which pisses off my liberal friends. So I'm used to having these kinds of debates constantly.

I'm fairly right-leaning (which is a loose definition) farm kid, Dad's a deacon in the Baptist church I grew up in, but I have no disagreement with gay marriage, only some of the concerns about social learning, role models, and other psychological aspects for the children of a same-sex couple, much as omeganuepsilon has alluded to. And much the same, it is not from a bad heart that I have those concerns. So I probably fit nowhere as well, and I've been lurking through these threads for three days afraid to post anything for fear of a poo fling. I think most of those people are way up the queue now. I appreciate you guys for having a reasonable conversation. I was starting to wonder if those ceased to exist. I think a LOT of people are staying away from talking about this issue because of the extreme feelings people express in one form or another.

It's unfortunate we have to be so quick to pigeonhole one another. How in the world some people claim to be enlightened about this or that but won't sit down to listen, that I can't understand. I was taught to listen to everybody, love everybody, and be fair to everybody, and that came from my mother and, ironically, the church. So I don't really know what group I'm supposed to be in.


Thing is, I grew up in a right-leaning home. But one of my mother's best friends was a gay man and he and his boyfriend used to come over every Saturday night for dinner and to play cards. My folks were (and my mother still is) pretty unreasonable about a lot of things (she voted for Dubya twice and would have voted for Cheney if he'd run for God's sake!), but not about this. My folks also, fortunately, raised all their kids to form our own opinions and not to take everything we were told as truth, regardless of where it comes from, but to think for ourselves.

I wish more people would teach kids to think for themselves instead of having their little 11 year old girls be the mouthpiece for their hatred under the misguided notion that if it comes from a child's mouth, the bigotry and hatred won't be challenged for what it is. I mean, maybe this little girl really thinks this, but when I was 11, I know I didn't have such strong ideas about marriage and family relationships. My 11 year old nephew and ten year old niece don't, either. So I'm kinda thinking that the kid was set up to be the parent's mouthpiece here, and that makes me very sad for the child.
 
2013-03-27 05:43:15 PM

grokca: Why is an 11 y/o even speaking at something like this? If those were her father's views then he should have spoken, but I guess bigotry sounds better when coming from a kid.


I'm assuming the gray-haired guy sitting to her left in the video is her dad. You can see him silently mouthing the words as she goes along, so I'm also going to assume he either wrote the whole thing himself or had a big hand in it.
 
2013-03-27 05:49:28 PM
I'm sure it's been pointed out already, but this little troll-parrot's father has NOT lost any rights, specifically his first amendment rights or rights to practice his religion.  What he's experiencing is the backlash against his moronic bigoted viewpoint by others who are using THEIR first amendment rights that he has so far failed to take away.

/you have the right to speak your mind, within reasonable limits
//you DO NOT have the right to not be offended
///you DO NOT have the right to never be told you're an idiot
 
2013-03-27 05:56:28 PM
It doesn't bother me in the slightest that she has an opinion. For her father to shove her to the wolves like that is pretty sickening. I have an 11-year-old son, and his handful of political opinions mirror my own, for now. At his age, I gently introduce basic opposing arguments just to get him to understand the importance of understanding different perspectives. There is no way I would thrust him into the spotlight of such a controversial issue without a thorough understanding of both sides of the argument. And 11 years old is too young to thoroughly understand both sides of any of the current issues, be it gun control, immigration, etc.
 
2013-03-27 05:57:01 PM

omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?


Erm, I'm a single father of a 13-year-old girl. And while I occassionally have to seek "expert advice" -- from, for example, my daughter's (female) doctor -- she's not inordinately reticent to talk to me about lady stuff. I respectully suspect the position you coming from reflects your own unease.

When it came time not too long ago to buy my daughter her first bra, I did a little Googling, got out the measuring tape, and took her to the store to buy a couple different styles. No biggie. Same thing with feminine hygiene products (to this point, OTC medicine for a minor yeast infection and sanitary pads). Again, no big deal. Of course, I also buy her make-up, nail polish, perfumed soaps (probably the cause of the yeast infection, btw), etc., etc., often as not when she's not with me. I have not once felt embarrased or "weird" about it.

I'm her parent, I'm responsible for her, and I love her, and I don't let my own ignorance or masculine self-image get in the way.
 
2013-03-27 06:02:26 PM
Kids say the darndest things that you tell them to say.
 
2013-03-27 07:42:58 PM

omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?


When I was in court for my custody battle, my ex-wife's lawyer tried this exact argument. Being as my child was a daughter he tried to argue that I could not fulfill the parenting role. The judge stopped him before he could get far, saying that in all her years on the bench, no lawyer had ever tried this line of argument. When I had my turn, I asked my ex what the HPV vaccine was. She had no clue. My daughter lives with me now.

As far as this 11 year old's concerns about losing a parent, does she think a child should be taken away from the remaining parent if God "calls one home?" This is learned behaviour, my daughter is the only mixed race child in her kindergarten class and not one time in two years has she ever had another child notice or mention it. Kids at that age only see other kids, it's the adults that get bogged down in the details.
 
2013-03-27 07:46:22 PM
Oh little girl,  here's what God said about marriage;   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OFkeKKszXTw#!
 
2013-03-27 07:52:13 PM
FTA: "If you change the law to say two moms and two dads can get married, it would take away something very important for children like me across the state."

So what does it take away from you if someone on the opposite side of your state is gay and married?  Does it make you feel less safe?  Does it nag at your soul?  Does it make you feel that your heterosexual parents are less of a parent now?  Does it make their marriage to each other mean less to each other so they can go out and start dating other people?  Seriously, I'm curious as to what it is taking away from her.
 
2013-03-27 08:31:49 PM

kc278: omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?

Erm, I'm a single father of a 13-year-old girl. And while I occassionally have to seek "expert advice" -- from, for example, my daughter's (female) doctor -- she's not inordinately reticent to talk to me about lady stuff. I respectully suspect the position you coming from reflects your own unease.

When it came time not too long ago to buy my daughter her first bra, I did a little Googling, got out the measuring tape, and took her to the store to buy a couple different styles. No biggie. Same thing with feminine hygiene products (to this point, OTC medicine for a minor yeast infection and sanitary pads). Again, no big deal. Of course, I also buy her make-up, nail polish, perfumed soaps (probably the cause of the yeast infection, btw), etc., etc., often as not when she's not with me. I have not once felt embarrased or "weird" about it.

I'm her parent, I'm responsible for her, and I love her, and I don't let my own ignorance or masculine self-image get in the way.


Cool Story, Bro.

Regardless to popular belief;
1. You cannot read your daughters mind. You are operating
2. Even if you are correct, your anecdotal evidence does not encompass the whole reality of what it may be like for other children and their parents.

Just because your daughter is ok with talking about such things to you, does not mean every other kid will turn out the same way with their parent(s), or that your rather unique relationship will last.

Don't get me wrong, good for you.  I appreciate your situation and admire your ability to adapt and the willingness to go the extra mile. You sound like a great parent, and I wouldn't dare to say anything negative about your specific skill in that area, and indeed, was not saying anything.

But no, I'm not speaking from only my own experience with my parents(and hence projecting my own supposed "unease"), or with any possible kids, but from the perspective of all the people I've known through my whole life that I've discussed such things with.  Everyone has a different tale, even(especially) multiple children from the same parents.

kiwimoogle84: I've been on the fence about this issue before and I'm starting to decide where I lay with things.


That is one of the things I've always loved about Fark.  An idea conveyed can touch many.  A person can discuss such things and maybe have a positive impact on people, as where any random person spouting such beliefs in public is seen as preachy or creepy or just plain offensive(crazy old man on random street corner on his soap box).

Fark does have a kind of power to it, you saw that when you created the thread last week for VB.  That was a great thing, magic happened and needs were met.

In reality, random people don't just butt in with a perspective, and if they do they quite often put people off.

But on fark, where one can speak at length without interruption or be limited by social convention, the subtlest things have a potential to shine.  Despite the coarse and gruff nature that anonymity breeds, some such communities allow for a certain..elegance or brilliance to float to the top.

Fark does that well, because it is not a topical community(say, a forum for discussing only vehicles, or guns), but rather a community that approaches all topics.

I've learned a lot here, from evolution to psychology to sociology to history to well, all the more concrete sciences.  If not from the people, from  a posted link and/or the need to tab over to google and do my own research to understand what someone else is saying.  I love this place, despite the instream of trolls/alts and one off people that think, "Hey, this must be like twitter, I'll be a rockstar here!"

Sometimes, you've got to find it lying in the dirt to really appreciate something.
 
2013-03-27 08:41:36 PM

naugahyde flexport: omeganuepsilon: kiwimoogle84: Any child of theirs would have a masculine and feminine role model.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?

When I was in court for my custody battle, my ex-wife's lawyer tried this exact argument.


Except I'm not making an argument.  I'm discussing what children may need in general, and how it can have a negative impact if it's not available due to prejudice/ignorance of the parent, that every parent can potentially fall into that trap, straight, gay, republican, or whatever variety of liberal.

Sure, you and the other guy are probably great parents, but I'm not even saying you are not.
 
2013-03-27 10:16:44 PM
Theories and beliefs are nice but reality often has other ideas. Let's go through it all one by one.
(Omeganuepsilon comments in italics)
I don't necessarily think that's enough.(It may sound bad, but bear with me for the whole post please)  A male child may have a hard time confiding in either female parent, or visa versa, especially if the child were straight.
I have known a very large number of people who did not feel comfortable confiding in the same sex parent. It is more about the relationship built with the child than the specific plumbing each possesses. Straight or gay is particularly irrelevant in this case.

If two men had a daughter, who does she seek advice from about her period, or bra issues?
Assuming a basic ability on the part of either father to educate themselves, either should suffice. By this logic, one would assume that you doubt the abilities of any male gynecologist.

There is a certain amount sexism inherent in psychology, in that we tend to be more relaxed and at ease with people of the same sex(Even as adults, same sex locker rooms, same sex nurses must be present, witnessing of pee tests, etc) as the potential experience there is the same.
I will give you the first point. I'm not saying that it is right or logical, but due largely to our societal attitudes, this is somewhat true. The mere fact of the existence of homosexuals does make the entire argument a fallacy though. What point is there in having a same gender nurse in the room if they are looking at the patient with potentially the same desires as the doctor? How do my experiences as a straight male compare to a gay male? We are the same gender, are we not?

It's good to learn to over come that as much as possible, but when it's an intimate issue a child should at least have the option.  Children are not necessarily able to to think it through and be ok with it as adults are, and at that time, dealing with the specific issue is more important than teaching the child the right way to treat people(which by that age the kid is likely already ok with it)
Your first statement suggests that it is learned behaviour, if it were an inherent part of nature, it could not be overcome. So, by extension, if the child grew up with same sex parents, the new behaviour would already by learned. As far as options, if required, my child and most others has same gender aunts, grandmothers and cousins who she can also confide in. No man, or woman, is an island.

I hope that doesn't come off as some sort of bigotry, it's really not.  It's a temporary tolerance in the face of what may be a larger problem.  Very temporary, they've the whole rest of their up bringing to come to terms with accepting other people, but that moment when they're really in need, it should be available.
Assuming that the same sex parent is actually there when the child is in need. Last I checked, menses came without any real warning so mom may not have booked that day off work which leaves the girl stuck with dad anyway.

Also, I don't buy into ascribing masculine and feminine archetypes for personalities or activities.  I don't think it's any more healthy than saying "men's work" or "women's work", because it implies the same concept....it just sounds a bit nicer.  I just call it "work".
Most of those archetypes can be discarded.  Cooking is not "feminine", nor is child rearing, color preference, or a million other little things(ie toy preferences). Being timid, or strong willed, aggressive, etc.  None of them are necessarily belonging to any given sex, and deeming them masculine and feminine only propogates prejudice.

Agreed.

About the only way I can think of it remaining useful, having a justified use, is physical descriptors.  A feminine male is more lithe and graceful.  a masculine female is more sturdy and strong.  In that case, it is inherent to what, across most species is, is a physical aspect of the sexes.
So a woman may be more of a man than a man and a man may be more of a woman than a woman? And this does what to all of your arguments?

Except I'm not making an argument.Well, technically you are doing exactly that.ar·gu·ment noun \ˈär-gyə-mənt\
Definition of ARGUMENT (vis Merriam-Webster online)

2
a : a reason given in proof or rebuttal
b : discourse intended to persuade
3
a : the act or process of arguing : argumentation
b : a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion
c : quarrel, disagreement
Your posts qualify under 2a, 2b, 3a, and 3c. I will give you the benefit of a doubt on 3b as I sometimes can't find the coherence.

I'm discussing what children may need in general, and how it can have a negative impact if it's not available due to prejudice/ignorance of the parent, that every parent can potentially fall into that trap, straight, gay, republican, or whatever variety of liberal.So any parent can make these mistakes based on all of those factors. Would gender fall into that as well or does gender make you automatically infallible? I know more about female anatomy and biology than at least two of my exes. I had to teach them about their own bodies. For the record, they both had mothers but one didn't have an active father.

Sure, you and the other guy are probably great parents, but  I'm not even saying you are not.No, you are saying that, due to our gender, we are incapable of being great parents which is a completely dick move.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:10 PM
She's just worried they'll have to take away one parent once gay marriage is legalized. She'll get used to it.
 
2013-03-27 10:36:43 PM

naugahyde flexport: Your first statement suggests that it is learned behaviour,


No, I suggest it's instinct, but mostly we can learn to overcome that in time.  I'm discussing established psychological and instinctual principles, not your preferred and idealized and very much fabricated notion of reality(and the proverbial ass-load of logical fallacies and miscomprehension and outright lies about what you want to argue against(which is often clearly not what I meant or even said).

Your post is riddled with flaws of the same sort and the general contrarian nature of the whole thing, so I'm simply going to ignore the rest. I don't know if you're a stalker(your style is very very familiar) or more typical troll that picked me at random to flame, whichever, it amounts to the same thing.  Have a nice life.
 
2013-03-27 10:46:59 PM
Whoever you may think I am, I am not. I rarely post, you can check my history. I am also not a troll as the same history will show. My responses were very logical, at least to me and I suspect some others, and I am not sure what you refer to as "outright lies." I responded to you because some of your statements offended me as this latest one has also done. I took nothing you said out of context, I posted your comments in their entirety and in order. How can they clearly not be what you said? As far as what they meant, by all means, enlighten us. Do you have children of your own? Are you speaking from practical experience or is it all theoretical? I don't mean to offend, I would like to believe that you don't either but it is becoming more difficult.  Truly, which one of us, if either, is the troll?
 
2013-03-27 10:54:33 PM
Fark this little coont.
 
2013-03-27 11:03:11 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: 95BV5: MmmmBacon: Using your child to make an unpopular political point, then claiming she's the victim of attacks on the Internet, is absolutely despicable! You put your child in the line of fire. You made her a target. And now you claim she is being harmed by such vicious slander? Actually, I agree. You, Homophobic Mom & Dad, have harmed your little girl. She should be placed with a family that actually has her best interests at heart.

Perhaps a loving same-sex set of parents will do the job you have so badly botched up?

Takin' kids from their parents for thoughtcrime. Nope, no Gay Agenda there!

Is it really thoughtcrime when they are actually out there actively attempting to take people's basic rights away?

/don't answer that
//don't really care to hear your bigoted crying


And just *how* are they able to take people's basic rights away? Are they politicians? Seems to me they can't do jack to deprive you of your rights, so who gives a shiat about them exercising their 1st Amendment right? Not me.
 
2013-03-27 11:04:30 PM
I will say I called it:

(and a good point, most of them don't stick around later in threads..however, the one's that do are tenacious)

ten foiled hats: It is a good point, as mentioned above, but I just think with the single parent issues, also mentioned above, as well as the atrocious parenting skills displayed by SOME heterosexuals (see Fark any ol' day), homosexual parents might have as good a chance as many heterosexual ones.

It's gonna be tough all over anywhere, and it's a thorny issue, and again, point taken.


It seems I lost your post, I meant to reply at the time, so my apologies for any delay.  I saw it on searching for a different comment and realized I hadn't replied.

Well, hopefully you're not like the last guy.  Some apparently find even my sincere attempts at being good natured offensive, apparently.

I wasn't putting forth that any orientetaion or number of parents is worse by nature of it's composition.

No parent is perfect(perfection is a myth in most regards), and parents with different circumstances may have different challenges, some they may have not thought of.  Kiwi simply reminded me of one specific need that may exist in some and may get overlooked.

Surely, some parents of all varieties are, as you stated are attrocious.  I don't think the rates in each subset would be any different, only that particular issues may be present, different aspects overlooked.

I was not challenging anyone's personal ability.

If one person sees my post and thinks, hey, "Maybe my kid does need a perspective other than my own" and then decides to expose their kid to more variety, I'll take that as a win.  Hell, if it gets around through word of mouth, even ten years down the road to some farker's relative's stepsister raising a kid and hadn't thought about it that way, I'll take it.
 
2013-03-28 12:39:50 AM
Surely just a phase, remember Lamb & Lynx?
 
2013-03-28 01:41:46 AM

Dr Dreidel: Evil Mackerel: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.

I posted the wrong link above. The storybehind it is awesome.


Thank you for linking this.
 
2013-03-28 04:05:47 AM
I hope someone takes a poop on her chest.
 
2013-03-28 06:53:12 AM
Wrong to use kids this way.

Of course, no one had a problem a few weeks ago when the video of the young boy defending gay marriage was posted. Then, he was enlightened for his age, not parroting his parents opinion.
 
2013-03-28 07:40:54 AM
FTFA: "Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota."
Fire and brimstone will rain from the sky! Hoards of Mad Max rape bikers will overrun Green Bay! Cats and dogs will get ghey married! It will be the Gaypocolypes!
 
2013-03-28 07:28:44 PM
god has nothing to do with it !    Shes brain washed i tells ya
 
2013-03-28 11:53:18 PM
omeganuepsilon kiwimoogle84 Aigoo

I called my old teacher about this tonight. Good friend, great teacher, and partners way back when. And they won.

She entertained my call late at night. What a great person.
 
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