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2013-03-27 10:19:39 AM

Mikey1969: "These attacks on Grace are an example of how we have already lost many of these freedoms. In fact, it's so bad, they aren't afraid to viscously attack an 11-year-old girl. Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota."

Either that, or they are an example of people exercising their right to Free Speech? There is absolutely no reason to send threats and hate mail to an 11 year old girl, but that's not an example of freedoms being taken away...

And in answer to grace's question, it looks like the parent you don't need is your idiotic father. He's dragging you down, sweetheart.


Child hasn't received threats, just hate mail.

Don't care how old the child is. You don't want hate mail, learn not to publicly demand the rights of a whole populace of the United States continue to be taken away. It's only because we tolerate such hatred and bigotry that it's allowed to flourish like we've seen.

This child shouldn't fear violent or physical retaliation but has to learn that there will be an outpouring of people who are repulsed and sickened by her attitude and what she is trying to preach. She's advocating for the rights of human beings to be continued to be denied, it's only natural for people to lash back at her.
 
2013-03-27 10:21:47 AM
Well, what do you know?  An 11-year-old CAN be a coont.
 
2013-03-27 10:23:26 AM
So the father is worried that gay marriage will, somehow, affect his freedom of speech, and at the same time he's upset about people exercising their own in online comments about his daughter, who he allowed to pull this publicity stunt.
 
2013-03-27 10:23:54 AM
Some extremely attractice folks who are pro-marriage equality should seduce the kids' parents and break up their marriage.

It really would probably be a more healthy environment for raising a girl who obviously has had a negative, hate-filled beginning to life.
 
2013-03-27 10:25:24 AM

Masta Kronix: Mikey1969: "These attacks on Grace are an example of how we have already lost many of these freedoms. In fact, it's so bad, they aren't afraid to viscously attack an 11-year-old girl. Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota."

Either that, or they are an example of people exercising their right to Free Speech? There is absolutely no reason to send threats and hate mail to an 11 year old girl, but that's not an example of freedoms being taken away...

And in answer to grace's question, it looks like the parent you don't need is your idiotic father. He's dragging you down, sweetheart.

Child hasn't received threats, just hate mail.

Don't care how old the child is. You don't want hate mail, learn not to publicly demand the rights of a whole populace of the United States continue to be taken away. It's only because we tolerate such hatred and bigotry that it's allowed to flourish like we've seen.

This child shouldn't fear violent or physical retaliation but has to learn that there will be an outpouring of people who are repulsed and sickened by her attitude and what she is trying to preach. She's advocating for the rights of human beings to be continued to be denied, it's only natural for people to lash back at her.


To be fair, if she had been speaking in support if gay marriage, she would have recieved hatemail all the same.
 
2013-03-27 10:25:34 AM

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


Yep.

And if you can't tell the difference between tolerance over someones race and sexual orientation and tolerance over someones hateful ideas, then you're a god damn idiot.
 
2013-03-27 10:27:15 AM
When I was 11, I was arguing with my father as to why he shouldn't be shunning his youngest brother for being gay.

Dad turned around about the time my uncle started wasting away from AIDS.  Too little, too late.

I suspect this kid will turn a 180 just like those Aryan Nation Twins not long ago.
 
2013-03-27 10:32:38 AM

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


Tolerating intolerance is not tolerant.

It's just dumb.

Now, you can "not tolerate intolerance" without being an asshole, but it isn't easy.
 
2013-03-27 10:34:54 AM

Benjamin Orr: In other news my 11 year old daughter cannot understand why some people care if gay people get married since "they are just normal people like everybody else".


I had a class full of 12 year olds (this was a Jewish studies class) ask me the same question. You know how awkward it is to have to tell them "Because people are jerks, and what's worse is they co-opt YOUR religious tradition to justify it?"

Also, kids very much learn how to hate from the people they're around. Remember that pic of the KKK minidragon approaching the black cop? That kid doesn't have the capacity for irrational hate yet, and is exploring the world on his own terms.

// off to look for the pic
// talk about worth 1,000 words...
 
2013-03-27 10:35:57 AM
Why would anyone care about a 11-year olds opinions on this?  Wouldn't it be easier to just ask her parents who told her what to say?
 
2013-03-27 10:36:02 AM
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2013-03-27 10:36:55 AM

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:20 AM
She is going to feel so silly in a few years when she's using her mouth for more enjoyable things, such as pleasuring her female college roommate.
 
2013-03-27 10:38:45 AM
Definitely not carefully engineered political propaganda parroting by a willing media and useful idiots on the internet.

Couldn't be.
 
2013-03-27 10:38:45 AM
FTA: Jeff also claimed he had "lost" many freedoms, but didn't name which ones specifically.
"Supporters of gay marriage are deceitfully claiming that the legalization of gay marriage won't affect our religious freedoms or freedom of speech. I do not believe them," he told CNSNews.com.


Guy plays victim, prances around a woefully ignorant daughter, and wants deny me my rights because he thinks it's icky and makes him uncomfortable. Dear Lord I hope this girl gets to college, and sees the world outside of the bubble her parents have placed her in.
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:39:42 AM

Happy Hours: Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?


No, you're not. I farking hate it too, even (especially) when I agree with whatever point is being made.
 
2013-03-27 10:43:35 AM

Ant: Happy Hours: Am I the only one who is sick of parents putting words into the mouths of their kids and whoring them out in public?

No, you're not. I farking hate it too, even (especially) when I agree with whatever point is being made.


*sigh*. This.

Do NOT put your kids out in public if they are saying anything more controversial than "Puppies are cute!" and "Apple pie is yummy!"
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:44:20 AM

doglover: nekom: Meanwhile, my 6 year old girl loves her gay aunt and gay uncle, and their respective partners.  Hatred is a learned behavior.

It really isn't. Kids hate EVERYTHING naturally.

Tollerance is the learned behavior. And obviously your girl was raised well.


Hatred of "other" may be somewhat natural, but if you don't otherize people, you'll have no problems.
 
2013-03-27 10:45:11 AM
And for the rest of her life this will follow her around. Thanks a lot, Dad!

/christ what an asshole
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:48:01 AM

MayoSlather: It's cheap, manipulative, and an affront to well reasoned argumentation.


The perfect tactic for an opinion that has no well reasoned argument to support it in the first place.
 
2013-03-27 10:48:43 AM

aagrajag: wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.

She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.


You know how I know you have never been around 11 year olds....

They can have pretty strong opinions, of course their opinions are based on what the adults around them say but they can be very strong willed.  As they get older and learn to read and find out other views on things their opinions can be become different from their parents.  I can only hope this is true of most kids in a good sense.
 
2013-03-27 10:49:05 AM
I'm not going to comment on the parents. All I want to say is that I think it's really sad that this girl was in this position period.
 
2013-03-27 10:51:48 AM

lawlz: Taking away rights?  Are you kidding me?  It's asking for special rights and cramming sick ideals down everyone's throats.  Kudos to the girl for trying, but unfortunately there are too many liberal activist judges and legislators.  The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.


6/10
 
2013-03-27 10:52:58 AM

victrin: I hope this girl gets to college, and sees the world outside of the bubble her parents have placed her in.


Ehh, they have places to prevent that sort of thing. Patrick Henry College, Liberty University, Hillsdale College...
 
2013-03-27 10:53:12 AM

xtalman: aagrajag: wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.

She's 11. She doesn't have an opinion. She has an ability to parrot her parents' opinions.

You know how I know you have never been around 11 year olds....

They can have pretty strong opinions, of course their opinions are based on what the adults around them say but they can be very strong willed.  As they get older and learn to read and find out other views on things their opinions can be become different from their parents.  I can only hope this is true of most kids in a good sense.


The vehemence with which they state those opinions does not relate to the extent to which they've actually thought them out. Of course, that's also applicable to most adults.

//teacher, actually
 
2013-03-27 10:54:02 AM
Dick Cheney is pro gay marriage. You really want your kids to be to the right of him?
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:54:57 AM

lawlz: The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.


Because two consenting adults getting hitched is  exactly the same as an adult farking a kid.
 
2013-03-27 10:56:24 AM
I can almost understand the outrage from the right on this one.
If I go into a room of physicists and claim I'm also a physicist, they will not like it.
Physicist has a meaning and I don't actually live up to that.  If just anyone would be able to be called a physicist it would devalue the position of trained professionals.


But as I said, "almost'.  Marriage, as a word has no such importance.  It is not aqualification for anything but some automatic paperwork such as living will and power ofattorney and establishes an official record for joint filing and tax methods.

It conveys no special education or knowledge about any given topic.  That is evident by all of the stupid people that have been married since the beginning of the practice.  It is not a title gained by people educated enough to raise children, own a house, or anything of any significant impact.

It is merely an agreement between two adults that they will take care of each other, that's it.
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:57:41 AM

Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]


Holy shiat! When and where was that taken? That's child abuse.
 
2013-03-27 11:02:35 AM

Benjamin Orr: In other news my 11 year old daughter cannot understand why some people care if gay people get married since "they are just normal people like everybody else".


As does my 12 year old daughter.
I bet they both know why, though, really.
Hate.
 
2013-03-27 11:03:48 AM

Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]


That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.
 
2013-03-27 11:04:03 AM

Ant: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

Holy shiat! When and where was that taken? That's child abuse.


Go and learn.

// no, really - this is a freaking awesome story
// I think this should be Lesson The First in every PSYC101 class ever
 
2013-03-27 11:06:10 AM

Psylence: Spad31: AbbeySomeone: Gracie's parents must be so proud to have their little girl parroting their ignorance and fear. I'm sure they'll be just as proud in 5 or 10 years when she and her wife get married.

Uh...she'd be 16 or 21, respectively. Anyone marrying that young needs a good smack.

Hey now, I got married at 23... and that was 13 years ago. Age can be irrelevant.


True.
I got married at 20. We were engaged when I was 16. (im sure my parents just loooved that!)
Late May makes 24years.

But I tell my kids it's super rare, and they know it.
 
2013-03-27 11:06:33 AM

Evil Mackerel: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.


I posted the wrong link above. The storybehind it is awesome.
 
2013-03-27 11:08:21 AM

Dr Dreidel: Evil Mackerel: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.

I posted the wrong link above. The storybehind it is awesome.


Thanks. I was looking for the meat, there.
 
2013-03-27 11:10:17 AM

Dr Dreidel: Ant: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

Holy shiat! When and where was that taken? That's child abuse.

Go and learn.

// no, really - this is a freaking awesome story
// I think this should be Lesson The First in every PSYC101 class ever


So what does the picture have to do with Jessica Brown Findlay going topless?
 
2013-03-27 11:11:50 AM

Dr Dreidel: Evil Mackerel: Dr Dreidel: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x657]

That makes me sad and today I didn't need the help.

I posted the wrong link above. The storybehind it is awesome.


Ah, thank you.
 
2013-03-27 11:15:50 AM
Reminds me of these gals...

i.huffpost.com

Now transformed into peace-loving, pot smoking, hippies...my how age makes fools of us all.
 
2013-03-27 11:17:04 AM
Her dad needs a vicious ass-kicking to give him perspective. farking victim mentality makes me sick.
 
2013-03-27 11:21:32 AM
"Which parent do I not need?"  Damn, that is some touching stuff! Screw you abolitionists or whatever it is you call yourselves these days, The US of A needs a parent that has uteri and the other to have testici and thats all there is to it!  God  bless America!
 
2013-03-27 11:22:58 AM

jaytkay: victrin: I hope this girl gets to college, and sees the world outside of the bubble her parents have placed her in.

Ehh, they have places to prevent that sort of thing. Patrick Henry College, Liberty University, Hillsdale College...


Where everyone goes nuts and tries out all that stuff Mom&Dad wouldn't let them near.
Which can reinforce the idea that all of the fun stuff is forbidden because of rules.
Unless The Family or some other group gets hold of them.
Wait, The Family teaches godly rules are for suckers and the underling class- God don't care long as you're getting his agenda done.

Who got hold of Bachmann? That stuck.
 
2013-03-27 11:32:52 AM
I believe the children are the future, and then there are the ones like this who just need a good slap across the face.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:11 AM

DeathCipris: Reminds me of these gals...

[i.huffpost.com image 570x763]

Now transformed into peace-loving, pot smoking, hippies...my how age makes fools of us all.


They look like a younger version of the Milton Porn Twins
 
2013-03-27 11:37:22 AM

95BV5: MmmmBacon: Using your child to make an unpopular political point, then claiming she's the victim of attacks on the Internet, is absolutely despicable! You put your child in the line of fire. You made her a target. And now you claim she is being harmed by such vicious slander? Actually, I agree. You, Homophobic Mom & Dad, have harmed your little girl. She should be placed with a family that actually has her best interests at heart.

Perhaps a loving same-sex set of parents will do the job you have so badly botched up?

Takin' kids from their parents for thoughtcrime. Nope, no Gay Agenda there!


Is it really thoughtcrime when they are actually out there actively attempting to take people's basic rights away?

/don't answer that
//don't really care to hear your bigoted crying
 
2013-03-27 11:39:10 AM

lawlz: Taking away rights?  Are you kidding me?  It's asking for special rights and cramming sick ideals down everyone's throats.  Kudos to the girl for trying, but unfortunately there are too many liberal activist judges and legislators.  The next thing the left will be fighting for are pedophiles, and the Fark community will be right there to support them.


How are said rights special if they are something that everybody else takes for granted?

/don't actually answer that
//don't care to hear your bigoted crying
 
2013-03-27 11:39:48 AM

wingding: I guess tollerance for her opinion is unacceptable.


I don't have to tolerate a hateful bigot, 11-years-old or not.

/biatch is a coont
 
2013-03-27 11:40:31 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Happy Hours:
Most Americans believe gay people should be allowed to marry, but the more I hear about it the more I think marriage should be left to churches instead of the law.

I never got this idea - basically everyone has civil unions but then you only get to say you're married if a church (presumably you mean all organized religious institutions) signs off on it. But them what - people get to walk around telling everyone from a different denomination or religion that they aren't really married because they weren't married in a Reformed Baptist Church of God Reformation of 1915 or whatever their flavor of religion is? Or if a church chooses to marry a gay couple should members of other churches be obliged to recognize that as a legitimate marriage?


If the government got out of marriage anyone could say they're married, but only the religious bigots would care. And who gives a fark about them?
 
2013-03-27 11:43:08 AM
Which parent do I not need, my mom or my dad?

Grace paused twice and asked that same question two times before closing with: "I hope that you can see that every child needs a mom and a dad. Please don't change your law on marriage to say otherwise."


Wow, I wonder how this kid is going to handle DIVORCE?

---

She is right that a Mom and Dad both bring something to a family, but every family situation is not ideal or perfect. Having a brother and sister bring something important, too, but some people are only children. Some people will never know what it's like to have an older sibling, and some will never know what it's like to have a younger one. For that matter, people are also born white or black, male or female. People will only know life from their own unique perspective.

The whole point of Life is that we see and experience things differently.

Other people are DIFFERENT from you. Give them the freedom to be different. Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it.

/and needless to say other peoples' rights don't "take away" anything. That's a huuuuge gap in the logic of these people.
 
2013-03-27 11:48:11 AM

bigmoneygrip: jaytkay: [www.motherjones.com image 635x422]

Why am I not surprised that the woman dressing the child in the finest KKK leisurewear has fat arms?  I'm sure if they showed her face and body she'd possess beauty that would make me toss Summer Glau aside like an empty Schlitz can.


Don't get me wrong, I hate Nazis as much as anybody, but can we *please* stop trying to ridicule people's views by pointing out some aspect of their appearance we find objectionable?  This shiat cuts both ways -- for instance if I said that hey, nobody should listen to Rosa Parks talk about tolerance because she had cankles?  If we do it, they can do it.
 
2013-03-27 11:56:25 AM
Those parents ought to be monkey-stomped for using their kid to AW their anti-gay agenda. How the fark does
same sex marriage take ANYTHING away from children?

It doesn't.
 
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