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(CBS News)   Herpes virus now leads to memory loss. Especially when you have it and your spouse wants to know where you got it   (cbsnews.com) divider line 48
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2013-03-27 09:53:17 AM  
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Does that mean you wont remember that night in Paris?
 
2013-03-27 10:05:25 AM  
Toilet seat.
 
2013-03-27 10:06:33 AM  
Well played Subby!
 
2013-03-27 10:07:25 AM  
tractor accident!
 
2013-03-27 10:11:31 AM  
I got it from you, you slut.
 
2013-03-27 10:15:24 AM  
We found the link was greater among women, those with lower levels of education and Medicaid or no health insurance, and most prominently, in people who do not exercise


So, on average,  the lazy and poor have more health problems than the rest of us.  Color me shocked
 
2013-03-27 10:25:06 AM  
The herp causes the derp?
 
2013-03-27 10:25:38 AM  
In hindsight... I'm so glad I was an ugly teenager as I tended to have bad judgement back then.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:17 AM  
I lol'd
 
2013-03-27 10:27:43 AM  

PsyLord: The herp causes the derp?


Winnar winnar chicken dinnar!

+1 Internets for you
 
2013-03-27 10:28:34 AM  
Totally done in one...Basemetal wins one internets
 
2013-03-27 10:30:54 AM  
Damn. I had something for this. Umm.
 
2013-03-27 10:33:12 AM  
I got it from Agnes.
 
2013-03-27 10:40:29 AM  
1) get aids
2) pass to SO
3) Orphans!!


/wat??

////can't even imagine the shame in passing Herp to spouse
 
2013-03-27 10:42:42 AM  
That explains my spotty memory.
 
2013-03-27 10:48:50 AM  
The trick is to preemptively accuse them subby.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:12 AM  
It also leads to bicycle riding, hiking, and dancing if the advertisements are correct.
 
2013-03-27 11:05:41 AM  
So.. last night before bed, in the middle of what I like to call my "Sedation Therapy", I was surfing one of those tube-y websites when I came across an extremely attractive, curvy redhead. "Score!", I thought. At least until I saw the closeup of her going down while sporting a MASSIVE COLD SORE.. no protection either. It hit me like one of those 'scary surprise' gag websites. It was to be a restless sleep that evening.. even after switching to the 'nylon' category.

/nightmare fuel
 
2013-03-27 11:11:32 AM  
What was that article about again?
 
2013-03-27 11:29:30 AM  
I got mine from subbys mom
 
2013-03-27 11:44:10 AM  
Remind me what are we talking about again?
 
2013-03-27 11:48:10 AM  
Deny, deny, deny; make counter accusations. What are you, new?
 
2013-03-27 11:48:38 AM  
Oh, thank god, only for Type 1.
 
2013-03-27 11:54:07 AM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: Oh, thank god, only for Type 1.


Explain why that is preferable, please.
 
2013-03-27 11:55:21 AM  

PsyLord: The herp causes the derp?


This is the winner :)
 
2013-03-27 12:17:13 PM  
Cytomegalovirus which is one of the herpes viruses mentioned in the article infects most people and they don't know about it. My blood is o negative and negative for cytomegalovirus so it is reserved for premature babies and other people with immune systems for shiat. I've been to many strip clubs, I don't know how I haven't been infected yet.
 
2013-03-27 12:24:04 PM  

ltdanman44: We found the link was greater among women, those with lower levels of education and Medicaid or no health insurance, and most prominently, in people who do not exercise


So, on average,  the lazy and poor have more health problems than the rest of us.  Color me shocked


Yea, as a study, its not exactly spot on target with its variable selection.
 
2013-03-27 12:46:17 PM  
At least it doesn't cause memory loss
 
2013-03-27 01:08:31 PM  
ltdanman44:

"We found the link was greater among women, those with lower levels of education and Medicaid or no health insurance, and most prominently, in people who do not exercise."

So, on average,  the lazy and poor have more health problems than the rest of us.  Color me shocked


Yeah but I still wonder why. For one thing herpes simplex is so widespread that if there is a link between that and cognitive decline the effect should be more common.

Another point is this:

"My concerns are, who are these people who are drawn into these studies? Because they're not a representative population," Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert who chairs the preventive medicine department at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, told CNN. He was not involved in the study. "I'm just very cautious about what we can conclude from this association."

That's a reasonable caution, given that "[r]esearchers conducted tests that measured memory, thinking and processing abilities in 1,625 people who were on average 69 years old and lived in northern Manhattan in New York." Northern Manhattan, i.e. Harlem. They might get very different results in say Middlesboro KY, Pasadena CA, or São Paulo Brazil.

But maybe we should all be asked to anonymously donate blood and/or saliva samples that can be analyzed for whatever you can find from such things. Then we might gage how prevalent herpes and high cholesterol are, e.g., and what things keep popping up together. Maybe we more science we could craft a better health policy.

BTW, can you tell from genes what a person's natural hair color is or whether s/he's left handed?
 
2013-03-27 01:11:05 PM  
frozenhotchocolate:

Cytomegalovirus ... I've been to many strip clubs, I don't know how I haven't been infected yet.

I restrict myself to watching the strippers. And you do know there are apt to be fewer germs on a clean glass than a beer can that mice might have peed on, don't you?

I keep forgetting to wear rubber gloves when I handle money. You never know where that's been: debit cards are much safer.
 
2013-03-27 01:14:57 PM  
Oh dear Lord, this is crap.

I had to go from the original study back to the earlier one. The correlations are based on the IB (Infectious Burden) index. This is a composite of antibody levels (IgG and IgA) to various organisms.

But antibody levels are a very poor measure of how much virus or bacteria is actively circulating. The correlation with the load of the organism is very poor -- for instance, if you are debilitated or have a suppressed immune system, your antibody levels may be low even if you have rip-roaring infection. In fact, the low antibody levels may make you more susceptible to a rip-roaring infection.

These are surrogate markers for other environmental factors. I work in a an inner-city hospital, and the prevalence of HSV and CMV is pretty high among our patients. They have all sorts of other health problems that are related to vascular issues that may affect cognitive functioning.

If they had done PCR studies to get viral levels, I'd be less skeptical.
 
2013-03-27 01:36:00 PM  
What the heck is fark?
 
2013-03-27 01:51:59 PM  

The One True TheDavid: BTW, can you tell from genes what a person's natural hair color is or whether s/he's left handed?


Hair color, yes, but what the dominant hand is depends largely on if the person was born possessed by a demon or not.

/actually, it's a gene too
 
2013-03-27 02:04:54 PM  
This explains why Lindsey Lohan keeps forgetting when a judge orders her not to drink, drive, or drug.
 
2013-03-27 02:17:54 PM  
Now that I'm free & clear of the divorce paperwork... I eagerly anticipate her 'discoveries' via OBGYN/pap smears and such. While I've been tested for all of 'the nasties', I hope that the HPV and associated bugs works out great for her (potentially). I look forward to urinating on her grave.
 
2013-03-27 03:50:21 PM  

bump: Now that I'm free & clear of the divorce paperwork... I eagerly anticipate her 'discoveries' via OBGYN/pap smears and such. While I've been tested for all of 'the nasties', I hope that the HPV and associated bugs works out great for her (potentially). I look forward to urinating on her grave.


With an attitude like that, you'll be snatched up by a nice, hot single lady immediately! Bitterness is the best aphrodisiac around!

/Seriously though, I hope you find a way to let go of it all. Yikes.
 
2013-03-27 04:09:27 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: kaseyfarksdaladies: Oh, thank god, only for Type 1.

Explain why that is preferable, please.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-27 05:20:39 PM  
I read about a recent scientific study that said that some forms of genital herpes remain dormant in women for 10 or 15 years, and that often times the virus goes undetected in tests.


http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/herpes/n12082/
 
2013-03-27 05:42:45 PM  
I would have commented a couple of hours ago but I couldn't remember my password for some reason.
 
2013-03-27 07:42:13 PM  
You think that's bad subby? I recently read an article that the herpes virus leads to memory loss.
 
2013-03-27 08:59:51 PM  
Have any of you Farkers heard about the new STD that is spreading through the avian world? It's called cherphes.
 
2013-03-27 09:38:58 PM  
By the way, for the 1 or 2 Farkers who don't already know this, it's possible to get "oral" herpes on your genitals.

If you don't know how that might happen you should ask your mom, maybe she'll demonstrate.
 
2013-03-27 10:20:49 PM  
I suppose you can't study chicken pox since 90% of people have had it. Thanks mom!
 
2013-03-27 11:51:39 PM  

The One True TheDavid: ltdanman44:

"We found the link was greater among women, those with lower levels of education and Medicaid or no health insurance, and most prominently, in people who do not exercise."

So, on average,  the lazy and poor have more health problems than the rest of us.  Color me shocked

Yeah but I still wonder why. For one thing herpes simplex is so widespread that if there is a link between that and cognitive decline the effect should be more common.

Another point is this:

"My concerns are, who are these people who are drawn into these studies? Because they're not a representative population," Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert who chairs the preventive medicine department at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, told CNN. He was not involved in the study. "I'm just very cautious about what we can conclude from this association."

That's a reasonable caution, given that "[r]esearchers conducted tests that measured memory, thinking and processing abilities in 1,625 people who were on average 69 years old and lived in northern Manhattan in New York." Northern Manhattan, i.e. Harlem. They might get very different results in say Middlesboro KY, Pasadena CA, or São Paulo Brazil.

But maybe we should all be asked to anonymously donate blood and/or saliva samples that can be analyzed for whatever you can find from such things. Then we might gage how prevalent herpes and high cholesterol are, e.g., and what things keep popping up together. Maybe we more science we could craft a better health policy.

BTW, can you tell from genes what a person's natural hair color is or whether s/he's left handed?




Yes-ish on the hair color, negs on handedness
 
2013-03-28 09:31:53 AM  
Oh dear Lord, this is crap.

I had to go from the original study back to the earlier one. The correlations are based on the IB (Infectious Burden) index. This is a composite of antibody levels (IgG and IgA) to various organisms.

But antibody levels are a very poor measure of how much virus or bacteria is actively circulating. The correlation with the load of the organism is very poor -- for instance, if you are debilitated or have a suppressed immune system, your antibody levels may be low even if you have rip-roaring infection. In fact, the low antibody levels may make you more susceptible to a rip-roaring infection.

These are surrogate markers for other environmental factors. I work in a an inner-city hospital, and the prevalence of HSV and CMV is pretty high among our patients. They have all sorts of other health problems that are related to vascular issues that may affect cognitive functioning.

If they had done PCR studies to get viral levels, I'd be less skeptical.
 
2013-03-28 01:47:43 PM  
It leads to .... wait, what were we talking about?
 
2013-03-28 01:52:37 PM  

lake_huron: Oh dear Lord, this is crap.

I had to go from the original study back to the earlier one. The correlations are based on the IB (Infectious Burden) index. This is a composite of antibody levels (IgG and IgA) to various organisms.

But antibody levels are a very poor measure of how much virus or bacteria is actively circulating. The correlation with the load of the organism is very poor -- for instance, if you are debilitated or have a suppressed immune system, your antibody levels may be low even if you have rip-roaring infection. In fact, the low antibody levels may make you more susceptible to a rip-roaring infection.

These are surrogate markers for other environmental factors. I work in a an inner-city hospital, and the prevalence of HSV and CMV is pretty high among our patients. They have all sorts of other health problems that are related to vascular issues that may affect cognitive functioning.

If they had done PCR studies to get viral levels, I'd be less skeptical.


Interesting... and may i say that its gives me hope that a person in the medical field acknowledges how data may be misappropriated.

They probably are looking at the antibodies because thats practically costless, while a PCR analysis would be several thousands of dollars for each patient.
 
2013-03-28 05:42:45 PM  

T.rex: Interesting... and may i say that its gives me hope that a person in the medical field acknowledges how data may be misappropriated.

They probably are looking at the antibodies because thats practically costless, while a PCR analysis would be several thousands of dollars for each patient.


These days I doubt the cost differential is quite so high, but it's certainly significant.  However, keep in mind that the researchers are working with limited budgets from their funding sources.  Nobody gets rich in the academic research business.

That being said, the real issue is the validity of their Infectious Burden index to truly measure infectious burden in any meaningful way.  It does not look like there were any immunologists or infectious disease specialists involved...
 
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