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(The New York Times)   An hour after Patton liberated Buchenwald, in came Rabbi Herschel Schacter to tend to the survivors. Rest in peace, holy man   (nytimes.com ) divider line 86
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2013-03-27 09:20:39 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: jaybeezey: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

I'm not sure if this post is just narrow minded or the greatest troll in a holocaust thread evar.

Also, why not use that wish to make the holocaust never happen?
Seems like a waste.

With WWll and holocaust America wouldn't have risen to a superpower. It's best for the world that America is powerful as it is. It's a shame the Zionists used what happened for thier own gain thou.


Its best for the world if the Holocaust happens for my own ends, its a damn shame other people also used it for social engineering.

Dude what.
 
2013-03-27 09:24:40 AM  

Ned Stark: Mid_mo_mad_man: jaybeezey: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

I'm not sure if this post is just narrow minded or the greatest troll in a holocaust thread evar.

Also, why not use that wish to make the holocaust never happen?
Seems like a waste.

With WWll and holocaust America wouldn't have risen to a superpower. It's best for the world that America is powerful as it is. It's a shame the Zionists used what happened for thier own gain thou.

Its best for the world if the Holocaust happens for my own ends, its a damn shame other people also used it for social engineering.

Dude what.




No holocaust = no Israel That simple enough?
 
2013-03-27 09:25:01 AM  

veryequiped: Any man that shows compassion for my fellow human beings, especially during the worst times, is my hero


This.

toejam: So damned dusty in here.


Also this.

robodog: fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon.


And ESPECIALLY this.
 
2013-03-27 09:26:16 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: One could argue that the holocaust was in the long term good for the Jews/Zionists. They get a free pass to do what they want in thier illegal nation


One could argue that you are a farking moron and and antisemite for saying that wiping out millions of jews was good for the jews in the long run.

That aregument is pretty much sealed up by yoru claim of an "illegal nation.  Israel is a perfrctly "legal" nation.

/the occupation ia another matter.
 
2013-03-27 09:32:25 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Ned Stark: Mid_mo_mad_man: jaybeezey: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

I'm not sure if this post is just narrow minded or the greatest troll in a holocaust thread evar.

Also, why not use that wish to make the holocaust never happen?
Seems like a waste.

With WWll and holocaust America wouldn't have risen to a superpower. It's best for the world that America is powerful as it is. It's a shame the Zionists used what happened for thier own gain thou.

Its best for the world if the Holocaust happens for my own ends, its a damn shame other people also used it for social engineering.

Dude what.

No holocaust = no Israel That simple enough?


I understand what you're saying, its the implied doublethink that made me blink.
 
2013-03-27 09:36:08 AM  

liam76: Mid_mo_mad_man: One could argue that the holocaust was in the long term good for the Jews/Zionists. They get a free pass to do what they want in thier illegal nation

One could argue that you are a farking moron and and antisemite for saying that wiping out millions of jews was good for the jews in the long run.

That aregument is pretty much sealed up by yoru claim of an "illegal nation.  Israel is a perfrctly "legal" nation.

/the occupation ia another matter.





Just because thier ancestors lived thier generations does not give them the right to it now. If you don't think the holocaust is used as get out of jail free card by them your wearing blinders.

Btw quit using anti-Semite for anti -Jew. They are not the same thing. Most Semites are not Jews
 
2013-03-27 09:41:02 AM  
Seems like a mensch, but:


Statement by Rabbis Schachter, Willig, Rosensweig, and TwerskyIn 2010, TorahWeb.org published a brief position statement entitled "Torah View on Homosexuality". It was co-authored by

. . . Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even  yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals. . . .. . . today's  galus [exile] seeks to legitimize and mainstream the abominable practice (toeiva) of homosexuality. Frighteningly, we who live here are not only practically affected, but also axiologically and ideationally infected. Not only our behavior but our very
. . . Homosexual behavior is absolutely prohibited and constitutes an abomination. Discreet, unconditionally committed Jews who do not practice homosexuality but feel same sex attraction (ssa) should be sympathetically and wholeheartedly supported. They can be wonderful Jews, fully deserving of our love, respect, and support. They should be encouraged to seek professional guidance. Moreover, in an uninfected Torah society, appropriate sympathy for discreet  shomrei Torah u'mitzvos who experience but do not act upon ssa is clearly distinguished from brazen public identification of their  yetzer hara [temptation] for forbidden behavior. . . .How painful, sad and sobering is the sharp contrast between the clear attitude that should prevail in a pure Torah community and the confusion that exists among well-intentioned individuals within our communities. . . . ssa is not viewed as a challenge of  kevishas hayetzer (overcoming and taming impulses for forbidden behavior), but rather as a troubling  halacha lacking in compassion,  rachmanah litzlan [God forbid].. . . Inevitably, with respect to homosexuality,  Talmud Torah [Torah study] will place us at odds with political correctness and the temper of the times. Nevertheless, we must be honest with ourselves, and with  Hakadosh Baruch Hu [God], regardless of political correctness, considerations or consequences.Still a leader of the asshole branch of Judaism.
 
2013-03-27 09:42:36 AM  
Ah yes... Gotta love how trendy Anti-Semitism has become once again in these days of Israeli-Apartheid Kristallnacht Week on Campuses
 
2013-03-27 09:50:06 AM  
Threads like these are always useful in that I learn the bigoted trolls are.
 
2013-03-27 09:50:20 AM  
I just don't get deniers. I have many clients who are survivors. Faded tattoos and all. If its an elaborate conspiracy they are doing a bang-up job.
 
2013-03-27 09:50:45 AM  

freetomato: Threads like these are always useful in that I learn who the bigoted trolls are.


Yeah.  That's what I meant.
 
2013-03-27 09:55:51 AM  
... and the rabbi's extraordinary acts of compassion for the Jews pissed off FDR - the opium drug warlord anti-Semite.

But a (D) Holy Icon, so shhhh.
 
2013-03-27 09:57:06 AM  

toejam: I just don't get deniers. I have many clients who are survivors. Faded tattoos and all. If its an elaborate conspiracy they are doing a bang-up job.


Most deniers agree that there were camps(And hence, tattoos).
 
2013-03-27 10:00:46 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Just because thier ancestors lived thier generations does not give them the right to it now.


No it doesn't.  What gives themt he right is that they bought land, moved there, and improved the place.  When the govt (the british pulled out) they voted to start their own state.

Mid_mo_mad_man: If you don't think the holocaust is used as get out of jail free card by them your wearing blinders.


If it was a "get out of jail free" card the state woudl have been given to them.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Btw quit using anti-Semite for anti -Jew. They are not the same thing. Most Semites are not Jews


The meaning of a word can, and is often more complex then their root words.  But why would I expect and antisemetic moron to be able to grasp that.
 
2013-03-27 10:07:02 AM  

USCLaw2010: wrong thread


Not necessarily. For all his virtues, Schacter toed the anti-homosexuality line pretty hard. He's recently on the record against gay marriage as a Jewish religious sacrament.
 
2013-03-27 10:10:49 AM  

robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.


Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.
 
2013-03-27 10:12:39 AM  

liam76: Mid_mo_mad_man: Just because thier ancestors lived thier generations does not give them the right to it now.

No it doesn't.  What gives themt he right is that they bought land, moved there, and improved the place.  When the govt (the british pulled out) they voted to start their own state.

Mid_mo_mad_man: If you don't think the holocaust is used as get out of jail free card by them your wearing blinders.

If it was a "get out of jail free" card the state woudl have been given to them.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Btw quit using anti-Semite for anti -Jew. They are not the same thing. Most Semites are not Jews

The meaning of a word can, and is often more complex then their root words.  But why would I expect and antisemetic moron to be able to grasp that.



By pulling out you are referring to the campaign of terror against the British and thier Arab neighbors?
And again just because a person does not support Zionism does not make you Anti-Jew. Ask the ultra orthodox Jews what they think. I have no hate for Jews or Arabs so think what you will but I'm not Anti-Semtic
 
2013-03-27 10:15:23 AM  

Ned Stark: toejam: I just don't get deniers. I have many clients who are survivors. Faded tattoos and all. If its an elaborate conspiracy they are doing a bang-up job.

Most deniers agree that there were camps(And hence, tattoos).


There was a line from a Law and Order episode that I liked (with regards to deniers):

"These people both deny and celebrate the Holocaust at the same time."

I think it's pretty accurate.
 
2013-03-27 10:23:21 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.


The thing that made the Holocaust's evil unusual was twofold - the industrialization of the process of wiping out millions of people, and the fact that it happened in 'civilized' Europe which was supposed to be beyond such things.
 
2013-03-27 10:26:51 AM  

Gulper Eel: Insatiable Jesus: Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.

The thing that made the Holocaust's evil unusual was twofold - the industrialization of the process of wiping out millions of people, and the fact that it happened in 'civilized' Europe which was supposed to be beyond such things.


Balderdash.
 
2013-03-27 10:27:40 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: By pulling out you are referring to the campaign of terror against the British and thier Arab neighbors?


Do you think that was a one way street?

Mid_mo_mad_man: And again just because a person does not support Zionism does not make you Anti-Jew.


When you comment that the holocaust was good for jews it does.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Ask the ultra orthodox Jews what they think.


Your ignorance is showing again.  The "ultra orthodox" clown that hate Israel are a small minority, but why woudl I expect an antisemetic moron like you to take time to learn about the people you hate.
 
2013-03-27 10:31:31 AM  
Thanks to the Holocaust, Germany has the weakest banks in Europe. Oh, wait.
 
2013-03-27 10:31:40 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.


A. There was a relatively small Russian, Chinese and Cambodian diaspora to the U.S. and Western Europe to spread concern about those genocides, and the people who did flee those regimes had less of a English-language literary and journalistic bent. B. No pictures. No death camp liberations, so not the same emotional impact. C. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed people because of their perceived ideology, not in order to exterminate a "race," so not exactly the same. D. Nazi genocide against the Jews was the core of their ideology. Communists didn't write whole books about their need to exterminate "human vermin," so there's less of a "never again allow that philosophy" impetus. There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.

Get it now?
 
2013-03-27 10:41:44 AM  

mbillips: A. There was a relatively small Russian, Chinese and Cambodian diaspora to the U.S. and Western Europe to spread concern about those genocides, and the people who did flee those regimes had less of a English-language literary and journalistic bent. B. No pictures. No death camp liberations, so not the same emotional impact. C. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed people because of their perceived ideology, not in order to exterminate a "race," so not exactly the same. D. Nazi genocide against the Jews was the core of their ideology. Communists didn't write whole books about their need to exterminate "human vermin," so there's less of a "never again allow that philosophy" impetus. There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.


I think it had far mroe to do with the industrialization of the slaughter.  Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed most people through starvation.
 
2013-03-27 10:59:15 AM  

mbillips: There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.


If you extend "Nazism" to include associated fascisms, the Italians never embarked upon a genocide. Possibly because they just couldn't get their shiat together, but they never did.

Japan sort of did, though. Although not in a uniform manner, and they were hampered by there being a lot more Chinese than there were Jews.
 
2013-03-27 11:11:08 AM  

mbillips: Insatiable Jesus: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.

A. There was a relatively small Russian, Chinese and Cambodian diaspora to the U.S. and Western Europe to spread concern about those genocides, and the people who did flee those regimes had less of a English-language literary and journalistic bent. B. No pictures. No death camp liberations, so not the same emotional impact. C. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed people because of their perceived ideology, not in order to exterminate a "race," so not exactly the same. D. Nazi genocide against the Jews was the core of their ideology. Communists didn't write whole books about their need to exterminate "human vermin," so there's less of a "never again allow that philosophy" impetus. There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.

Get it now?


Yes, I get it. Jews are special so do what they say and bleed for Israel.
 
2013-03-27 12:34:23 PM  

Kriggerel: Ah yes... Gotta love how trendy Anti-Semitism has become once again in these days of Israeli-Apartheid Kristallnacht Week on Campuses


I know, right?
 
2013-03-27 12:44:16 PM  

robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.


Sounds like a Fine ol' Solution.....
 
2013-03-27 12:52:22 PM  

This text is now purple: mbillips: There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.

If you extend "Nazism" to include associated fascisms, the Italians never embarked upon a genocide. Possibly because they just couldn't get their shiat together, but they never did.

Japan sort of did, though. Although not in a uniform manner, and they were hampered by there being a lot more Chinese than there were Jews.


Why would you do that? Nazism is its own thing; racial prejudice is an integral part of it, unlike fascism. And Nazism is still popular with a fringe.
 
2013-03-27 01:17:13 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: mbillips: Insatiable Jesus: robodog: Matthew Keene: Pics, or it didn't happen.

As someone who has walked through the camps and has also talked to survivors in English and German, fark you, fark you and all the other deniers with a rusty spoon. If a genie was to grant me one wish it would be to eliminate such people from the gene pool, such inability to learn from the horrors of our own history is probably the worst part of humanity.

Since the Holocaust, we have enjoyed the murderous stylings of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, just to name a few. Far more people dead yet no constant hand wringing and worship of those genocides.

A. There was a relatively small Russian, Chinese and Cambodian diaspora to the U.S. and Western Europe to spread concern about those genocides, and the people who did flee those regimes had less of a English-language literary and journalistic bent. B. No pictures. No death camp liberations, so not the same emotional impact. C. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed people because of their perceived ideology, not in order to exterminate a "race," so not exactly the same. D. Nazi genocide against the Jews was the core of their ideology. Communists didn't write whole books about their need to exterminate "human vermin," so there's less of a "never again allow that philosophy" impetus. There are plenty of Communist regimes who didn't pursue genocide (the whole Warsaw pact, for instance, and post-Stalin USSR and post-Mao China), but no Nazi ones.

Get it now?

Yes, I get it. Jews are special so do what they say and bleed for Israel.


I realize you're a troll with a hobby horse, but the correct answer is that NAZIS are special. Nazis was the answer we were looking for. Thank you for playing.
 
2013-03-27 04:44:27 PM  

toejam: So damned dusty in here.


Indeed. Click the link (in the second to last paragraph) where he tells Obama the story of the soldier who was one of the liberators of Buchenwald asking his forgiveness for being too late...68 years later. It gets dustier.
 
2013-03-27 07:43:18 PM  

mbillips: Seems like a mensch, but:


Statement by Rabbis Schachter, Willig, Rosensweig, and TwerskyIn 2010, TorahWeb.org published a brief position statement entitled "Torah View on Homosexuality". It was co-authored by

. . . Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even  yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals. . . .. . . today's  galus [exile] seeks to legitimize and mainstream the abominable practice (toeiva) of homosexuality. Frighteningly, we who live here are not only practically affected, but also axiologically and ideationally infected. Not only our behavior but our very. . . Homosexual behavior is absolutely prohibited and constitutes an abomination. Discreet, unconditionally committed Jews who do not practice homosexuality but feel same sex attraction (ssa) should be sympathetically and wholeheartedly supported. They can be wonderful Jews, fully deserving of our love, respect, and support. They should be encouraged to seek professional guidance. Moreover, in an uninfected Torah society, appropriate sympathy for discreet  shomrei Torah u'mitzvos who experience but do not act upon ssa is clearly distinguished from brazen public identification of their  yetzer hara [temptation] for forbidden behavior. . . .How painful, sad and sobering is the sharp contrast between the clear attitude that should prevail in a pure Torah community and the confusion that exists among well-intentioned individuals within our communities. . . . ssa is not viewed as a challenge of  kevishas hayetzer (overcoming and taming impulses for forbidden behavior), but rather as a troubling  halacha lacking in compassion,  rachmanah litzlan [God forbid].. . . Inevitably, with respect to homosexuality,  Talmud Torah [Torah study] will place us at odds with political correctness and the temper of the times. Nevertheless, we must be honest with ourselves, and with  Hakadosh Baruch Hu [God], regardless of politi ...


The Jewish obsession with purity...why, it's almost Aryan.
 
2013-03-27 09:15:41 PM  
I loved Fark when the news items and teaser lines were. well.....Farked up.

Now people submit (and the  pun loving sissies at Fark accept) news stories to push their PC agendas, like this.

A Hero Tag, really?  So he only cares  if jews are alive in the camps, that makes him a hero?

In  the good old days of Fark, this would not even be considered for submission, unless someone maybe put on the comment  "WWII racist lives to the ripe old age of 95."  You click and read the article expecting some  Nazi no one knew existed and laugh when you find its the other Nazi that we are forever stuck with.
 
2013-03-27 09:15:49 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Deep Contact: "Are there any Jews alive here?" the rabbi asked him.
No one else mattered?

Legitimate question since more Gentiles died in the camps then the Jews. I guess they need better pr people


Nope the numbers are about equal, but remember he's a rabbi, there were christian chaplains there too, so they handled the gentiles. In fact there was a story with Dachau, when the first jewish chaplain arrived and addressed the prisoner that he was an American rabbi and was here for them, the first thing the people wanted was for him to lead a prayer service. Don't underestimate the power of faith
 
2013-03-28 02:08:47 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man: "Isn't about time we let the holocaust go? All bringing it up does is give Israel a few pass on it's crimes against humanity."

Mid_mo_mad_man: "One could argue that the holocaust was in the long term good for the Jews/Zionists. They get a free pass to do what they want in thier illegal nation."


I see Amos is taking the alts for a walk.
 
2013-03-28 03:37:45 AM  
The only legitimate thing to say is that I wish Patton had killed the Jews as well. farking lazy bastard.
 
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