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2013-03-27 10:18:08 AM  
Then you're not a vegetarian.

That said, bug parts are in everything, so you might as well get used to the idea.
 
2013-03-27 10:19:39 AM  
If she'll swallow bugs........
 
2013-03-27 10:19:42 AM  
Shouldn't this *technically* be in the Geek tab?

/just sayin'
 
2013-03-27 10:20:40 AM  

dv-ous: Then you're not a vegetarian.



this - get particularly perturbed at vegetarians who are only driven by the "cuteness" factor of what they will / will not consume

//a lot of the rest bug me as well (ha!) but at least it's an ethos, man
 
2013-03-27 10:20:57 AM  
Cuz, like, crickets aren't like, cute, and stuff? So I think it's okay to eat them? And they were pretty tasty? And like, in this picture, I don't look at all like the wicked vegetarian witch that gave Snow White the apple?

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2013-03-27 10:21:09 AM  
Well, might as well chow down on some lobster.

/How is the ole' Sea Roach today?
//Expensive
///Take two.
 
2013-03-27 10:22:05 AM  
If you think eating prepared insects is gross but fast "food" isn't your calibration is off.
 
2013-03-27 10:25:49 AM  
I'd eat the hell out of grasshoppers or crickets. Hell, when I was a kid I used to eat ants that were drinking nectar on flower buds because they tasted sweet.

I'm also in no way a vegetarian. I really have nothing to add here.

I'll show myself out.
 
2013-03-27 10:27:34 AM  
I've eaten prepared insects and larvae on several occasions. They can be very tasty. I never quite understood people's revulsion to eating what is a lean and healthy source of protein. That said, you can't call yourself a vegetarian if bugs are on your menu...
 
2013-03-27 10:32:19 AM  
I don't know where her mother and I went wrong raising her. Her being a vegetarian was humiliating enough, but now she comes home and tells us she's eating bugs? Her mother's been thrown out of the social circle, and I have to hide.
 
Ant
2013-03-27 10:33:04 AM  
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Yeah, I think I could eat bugs too.
 
2013-03-27 10:34:02 AM  
They've got cricket tacos at a Mexican place in midtown NYC that I've tried. They were pretty tasty. But I definitely wouldn't call myself a vegetarian.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:28 AM  
Get used to it. If things don't get better, insects are going to be more than a third-world staple food.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:48 AM  

swankywanky: dv-ous: Then you're not a vegetarian.


this - get particularly perturbed at vegetarians who are only driven by the "cuteness" factor of what they will / will not consume

//a lot of the rest bug me as well (ha!) but at least it's an ethos, man


Well, you could make an argument from mental complexity (insects don't have a nervous system in the same sense that a human or other vertebrate or mammal does).  So insects and spiders and lobsters would be fine, but cows and pigs and snakes would not be.  i.e. the same argument that most of us use to justify eating cows and dogs and turtles, but not other humans, but with the line in a different place as far as how broad you're willing to call "one of yours".

You could also make an argument from bio-contamination.  Cows can carry human-communicable prion disorders, and mammalian meat is prone to e. coli infection and lots of other stuff with human-infection potential.  As you move out to fowl this is less true, and by the time you get to fish-level metabolic differences there's not a lot of diseases that a human can get.  Contaminants/toxic materials, yes, but you risk that with basically everything.  Insects (and fish, and most reptiles) would be fine here too.

Or you could be vegetarian for ecological reasons, e.g. you hate the environment with a passion and are aware that the raising of plants displaces much more of the natural world and screws over mother nature much more than the raising of animals.  In this case, some animals dying as a side effect is a good thing.

Basically, there are a number of more-or-less arbitrary diets of widely varying philosophy that adherents just call "vegetarian" so that they don't have to spend half an hour explaining to their date why they're having a salad instead of the ribs.

//Above aside, I get pretty stabby when I hear the "I don't eat anything that has a face" reasoning, too.  And I am a fan of bringing up the planetary surface usage: calorie ratio if anyone's being a dick about it, I'm actually kind of impressed how many people I've made feel genuinely bad about their life choices by going over the basic arithmetic.  Albeit, don't do that to someone you'd like to talk to again in the future, and make sure they were a dick about it first, because it tends to make the conversation... unrecoverable outside of the internet.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:56 AM  
fresh ants are good.  I remember once finding some that had found a watermelon jolly rancher.
 
2013-03-27 10:38:17 AM  
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Ewww, grody.

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Oh yeah.
 
2013-03-27 10:40:19 AM  
I would imagine that the bits of exoskeleton/legs would be much like popcorn kernels and get stuck in your teeth.  Anyone dine on them enough to tell me if this is true?
 
2013-03-27 10:47:57 AM  
I am a meta-vegetarian. I only eat plants, or animals that eat plants, or very occasionally animals that eat animals that eat plants.
 
2013-03-27 10:50:55 AM  
Everyone draws their own lines of what animals they find acceptable to eat/use for food. Whether that's none at all including honey up through people who will gladly eat what most people I know consider pets and would never think of consuming. I don't think I've ever met someone who ate bugs but no other meat, but I've only met one person who ate insects. I understand it, but c'mon, you're not a vegetarian if you eat bugs. That's almost as dumb as the Twilight vampires drinking animal blood rather than human and calling themselves vegetarian. No, dummies, that's the opposite.
 
2013-03-27 10:56:00 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
Or you could be vegetarian for ecological reasons, e.g. you hate the environment with a passion and are aware that the raising of plants displaces much more of the natural world and screws over mother nature much more than the raising of animals.  In this case, some animals dying as a side effect is a good thing.

Except in the real world, where 90% of livestock are raised on farmed plants.

/Have eaten crickets
//Went vegetarian since
//But yeah, insects sure as hell aren't vegetarian
 
2013-03-27 11:17:59 AM  

dersk: Jim_Callahan:
Or you could be vegetarian for ecological reasons, e.g. you hate the environment with a passion and are aware that the raising of plants displaces much more of the natural world and screws over mother nature much more than the raising of animals.  In this case, some animals dying as a side effect is a good thing.

Except in the real world, where 90% of livestock are raised on farmed plants.

/Have eaten crickets
//Went vegetarian since
//But yeah, insects sure as hell aren't vegetarian


Raising livestock is much more ecologically damaging than raising crops of plants. Essentially there's a lot of energy wasted between growing feed for livestock, the livestock consuming it, and the nutritional value of the food derived from said livestock. Even insects waste energy compared to plants, and plants waste energy compared to fungi. From the point of view of feeding a human population while maximizing natural space, we're better off with fungus.
 
2013-03-27 11:29:09 AM  
This is why my respect for vegetarians isn't that high. They pick and choose what to eat, based on malleable morals.

Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.
 
2013-03-27 11:36:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.allaboutpuertovallarta.com image 400x266]
Ewww, grody.

[www.youjustmademylist.com image 465x349]
Oh yeah.


i think i threw up a little

/at the sight of the Mcrib
 
2013-03-27 11:41:03 AM  

rustypouch: Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.


sometimes
 
2013-03-27 11:56:10 AM  

maltedmothball: Rapmaster2000: [www.allaboutpuertovallarta.com image 400x266]
Ewww, grody.

[www.youjustmademylist.com image 465x349]
Oh yeah.

i think i threw up a little

/at the sight of the Mcrib


So did I but then I remembered you can order them without pickles.
 
2013-03-27 11:56:49 AM  

rustypouch: This is why my respect for vegetarians isn't that high. They pick and choose what to eat, based on malleable morals.

Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.


What?  Someone who doesn't want to kill animals but thinks that cheese is ok, or doesn't consider unfertilized eggs to be dead animals has malleable morals because of it?  I'm confused.
 
2013-03-27 12:08:15 PM  

cheeseaholic: What? Someone who doesn't want to kill animals but thinks that cheese is ok, or doesn't consider unfertilized eggs to be dead animals has malleable morals because of it? I'm confused.


Dairy and egg consumption cause suffering and death for the animals involved. Some would see choosing to consume those products while forgoing meat as morally inconsistent.
 
2013-03-27 12:12:25 PM  

capt.hollister: I never quite understood people's revulsion to eating what is a lean and healthy source of protein.


I understand it perfectly. It's a culturally conditioned response in most of the West to find bugs "icky" or unclean. It's an irrational food belief of the same variety as not having a cheeseburger or drinking a beer because God said so. One that we should probably get over ASAP since we insist on bringing people into the world in an unchecked manner.

Jim_Callahan: Or you could be vegetarian for ecological reasons, e.g. you hate the environment with a passion and are aware that the raising of plants displaces much more of the natural world and screws over mother nature much more than the raising of animals. In this case, some animals dying as a side effect is a good thing.


By now you're probably aware that this is an idiotic statement, although you didn't get nearly enough derision for it IMO. I'll just wait here for the inevitable "b-b-but free range chickens".
 
2013-03-27 12:31:25 PM  

rustypouch: This is why my respect for vegetarians isn't that high. They pick and choose what to eat, based on malleable morals.

Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.


I've known "vegans" who eat fish. And it makes much less sense to me than vegetarianism. Okay, not killing a chicken I get. But how does eating an egg that's never been fertilized harm a damn thing? It's not like you're hurting the species, chickens aren't in any danger of going extinct.
 
2013-03-27 12:38:46 PM  

cptjeff: rustypouch: This is why my respect for vegetarians isn't that high. They pick and choose what to eat, based on malleable morals.

Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.

I've known "vegans" who eat fish. And it makes much less sense to me than vegetarianism. Okay, not killing a chicken I get. But how does eating an egg that's never been fertilized harm a damn thing? It's not like you're hurting the species, chickens aren't in any danger of going extinct.


I think the general reasoning is that it's morally wrong to exploit an animal; also in a lot of cases the condition the animals is kept in is pretty bad. But I don't get what's malleable about saying 'don't eat dead animals'.
 
2013-03-27 12:44:47 PM  
I just can't get past the creepy crawlies being my lunch. I don't eat seafood, either. I think it is because 1) you have to break into the animal at the table to eat the meat inside, and 2) they look like they did when they were alive. Cow, venison, buffalo, elk,... even if I kill them  myself, the end product doesn't resemble the animal.

Yea, call me a wuss. Seafood just gags me. The flaky meat and having to crack open a lobster... uck, making me queasy.
 
2013-03-27 01:17:43 PM  

capt.hollister: I've eaten prepared insects and larvae on several occasions. They can be very tasty. I never quite understood people's revulsion to eating what is a lean and healthy source of protein. That said, you can't call yourself a vegetarian if bugs are on your menu...


Vegetarianism is a spectrum disorder, like autism.  You can call yourself an insecto-vegetarian, just as there are lacto-vegetarians and ovo-vegetarians and lacto-ovo-vegetarians.  "Vegans" are the hardcores who won't even eat bee poop.

"I am not a vegetarian because I love animals, I am a vegetarian because I hate plants." Ralph Emerson.
 
2013-03-27 01:30:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: capt.hollister: I've eaten prepared insects and larvae on several occasions. They can be very tasty. I never quite understood people's revulsion to eating what is a lean and healthy source of protein. That said, you can't call yourself a vegetarian if bugs are on your menu...

Vegetarianism is a spectrum disorder, like autism.  You can call yourself an insecto-vegetarian, just as there are lacto-vegetarians and ovo-vegetarians and lacto-ovo-vegetarians.  "Vegans" are the hardcores who won't even eat bee poop.

"I am not a vegetarian because I love animals, I am a vegetarian because I hate plants." Ralph Emerson.


Oh Ralph.
 
2013-03-27 01:50:56 PM  
I've eaten a fair amount of bugs of various types. They're good, especially chapulines, fried with lime and garlic. The only problem with eating chapulines right now is that unless you get them farm-raised, you don't really know where they've been eating, and a fair percentage of the chapulines from Oaxaca contain high amounts of lead (about 20% according to the California Board of Health). Evidently they eat the local alfalfa, and since the region used to be a heavy silver-mining area, there's a lot of lead-bearing ore scattered over the surface, which gets taken up by the plants.
 
2013-03-27 02:03:56 PM  
I'm a vegetarian. I would not eat bugs as an entree unless I was living in a survival situation where I had to eat anything I could catch and kill.

But on that note, get used to the idea of mealworms and insects being served ground up for protein. Americans might never fully embrace the idea as more than a novelty cuisine, but it's likely to become the next big thing in countries where they can't afford to raise livestock.
 
2013-03-27 02:10:02 PM  

Snarfangel: I am a meta-vegetarian. I only eat plants, or animals that eat plants, or very occasionally animals that eat animals that eat plants.


I love this and will be stealing it. I will try not to pretend like it was my original idea, but we'll see how that goes.

Also, I would try some sort of insects if I could get over the squeamish factor. I was afraid of sushi at first too.
 
2013-03-27 02:55:44 PM  
"... and I think James Holmes makes sense, so I'm taking him a roach casserole for Visitors Day ...."
 
2013-03-27 03:56:40 PM  
Om nom nom nom

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2013-03-27 05:22:45 PM  
OK, so they're fine with eating insects, but the average fundamentalist vegetarian also raises hell at eating the kissing cousins of insects (shrimp and lobsters, which are crustaceans, which are one of the sister groups of the Insecta within Arthropoda) because lobsters supposedly can feel pain...

I'm of the opinion of "either be ethical and try to reduce general suffering in both plants and animals" (ethical farming practices in general, or you could go full-on Jain and not eat any food product that kills or causes undue suffering to an animal or plant) or refer to yourself as an insectivore (much as folks who only eat plant products as well as fish tend to refer to themselves as piscetarians). :D

(That said, I have had crickets which weren't bad.  Wouldn't be averse to trying other insects, but the SO is very squeamish about this...I consider it a minor victory that they now consider shrimp to be food :D)

/and everyone seems to neglect the fact that we have just as much evidence (if not more so) that plants feel sensations akin to pain and can chemically "scream" as we do with lobsters or other insects
//is a "will give everything short of brains and maggot cheese a fair try"-tarian
 
2013-03-27 05:49:17 PM  
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2013-03-27 07:09:53 PM  
If you're going to eat or not eat something for personal reasons... go for it. There are some things I won't eat because I don't like the way they taste - as good a reason as any.

What I don't like is people thinking they can insulate themselves from moral or ethical culpability by making such changes to trivial things.

Example: Fruititarians... on perhaps the highest of high horses, only eating fruits, nuts, that kind of thing. Well you know what? Look up some OSHA violation cases and read some stuff about the plight of the migrant fruit pickers. You're supporting that.

Now obviously that line of reasoning is largely nonsense.... no one consumer is driving the entire industry. It's still that the attempt is made to segueu diet into some kind of laudable thing. Hindus who are vegan and jewish people who keep kosher don't brag about it, it's just something they do. But talk to a vegan who isn't hindu and I'm sure they're replete with all kinds of nonsense to talk about.

I don't know... safe food, safe food workers, those are my priorities. The rest is just metaphysical dick waving.
 
2013-03-27 08:54:47 PM  

cptjeff: rustypouch: This is why my respect for vegetarians isn't that high. They pick and choose what to eat, based on malleable morals.

Vegans, although it's not my thing, I have respect for. They take a stand, and stick with it.

I've known "vegans" who eat fish. And it makes much less sense to me than vegetarianism. Okay, not killing a chicken I get. But how does eating an egg that's never been fertilized harm a damn thing? It's not like you're hurting the species, chickens aren't in any danger of going extinct.


Many people who are vegetarians/vegans for moral reasons don't necessarily mind the death of the animal so much as the suffering they undergo before hand. Fish, for example, tend to be eaten more because they are often caught naturally and then killed. (No/little pre-death discomfort.) Pigs, chickens, cows, etc., on the other hand, often endure ridiculously brutal conditions.

As for unfertilized eggs being moral? Egg-laying eggs are kept in batterie cages that don't provide enough room for the hens to stand up/turn around, along with plenty of other things. So, that's not really about the eggs, it's about the way those eggs were produced.

/vegan myself, unless I catch the fish myself or get eggs from my own chickens. Not much of a hunter.
//also, in vegetarians' defense, being vegan is a teensy bit difficult. Cut 'em some slack.
 
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