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(ESPN FC)   USA defeats Mexico 0-0   (espnfc.com) divider line 46
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2013-03-27 10:39:01 AM  
3 votes:
All I know is, lucky 0-0 is worth just as many points in the standings as legitimate 0-0.
2013-03-27 04:37:01 PM  
2 votes:

tylerdurden217: It's hard to watch the US Men's National Team play soccer. Those guys look like an Army intramural team, not professional athletes. If Reggie Bush played striker his whole life, LeBron played goalie, etc. the USA would be the favorite to win every year. They are not a good representation of American athletes.


No they wouldn't. See the earlier posts about just how young they play seriously (as in - signed to a major team) in other countries. The US does not develop players that way.

Also world class at one sport does not always mean world class at another. You think Messi would be successful in the NFL?
2013-03-27 04:11:14 PM  
2 votes:

ScouserDuck: This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.


Arizona has 55M people?
2013-03-27 03:07:24 PM  
2 votes:
Lost Thought 00:

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world.

That's true. They are also the best sports fans in the world, the tallest sports fans in the world, the shortest sports fans in the world, the [insert anything here] sports fans in the world. They outnumber fans of other sports several times over, you can find the most extreme of anything in soccer.
2013-03-27 02:55:37 PM  
2 votes:

hdhale: Soccer is meant to be played, not watched.  There is a reason why most every stadium filled with soccer fans is drunk off their ass, fighting, or both.


And yet whatever sport you like to watch will never be watched by even half as many people as soccer, while soccer will go on being the most watched spectator sport that ever existed.

Funny how things worked out huh?
2013-03-27 11:39:36 AM  
2 votes:

literaldeluxe: Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


i grew up playing soccer and still like having a kick at the park.  i don't think soccer will ever "catch" in the US and I don't give a shiat.  there are a ton of fans that love the game and a majority of haters, but fark them.  we love the game and don't want to see it changed.  people hav ementioned enlarging the goal, eliminating offside (the most common recommendations) but soccer's governing body would never, ever agree to that and they shouldn't.  those that care about the game are raving about the 0-0 finish (and what it means for WC quals, better get your ass in gear, Mexico).  those that hate, who cares.  I don't really care for hockey but i'm not running around every hockey thread screaming about how gay it is.

but don't change the game.

/ok, change the game to add a ref in each half of the field.  the ball can go from penalty box to penalty box  in 5 seconds.  the ref just cannot see all the stuff going on and a second pair of eyes on the field (the lineman response is unsatisfactory) would help.  but yeah, that willl never happen either so WFC.
2013-03-27 11:18:45 AM  
2 votes:

Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.


Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?
2013-03-27 10:45:58 AM  
2 votes:

The Third Man: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Nah, not buying that.  The worst of the hexagonal schedule is behind the USMNT.  A win would have been nice, but it wasn't necessary.


In CONCACAF, the US should seriously schedule every game for someplace with snow in the forecast. Denver was perfect for a warm-weather, sea-level opponent like Costa Rica. Like the altitude at Azteca, it's our strongest homefield advantage. We should only ever play Mexico in Seattle or Portland, or failing that, Phoenix. But only after arresting the families of Mexico's players for being illegals.

As for being pleased, only 8 countries have ever won at Azteca (the US is one of them), and only Brazil and Peru have done it twice.
2013-03-27 10:43:38 AM  
2 votes:

MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!


why wouldn't we be pleased?  while our #1 keeper, several of our top defenders, and others were out with injury, our long time captain and best midfielder was wandering on a spirit search (or whatever), playing in one of the most hostile road environments in the world, against our biggest (and likely most talented) rivals from concacaf, conceding 15 corners, and playing like shiat at some points the team managed to steal a point.  we should be please.  not necessarily at the level of play, but at the result.  and this is a result base qualifying system.

/win at home. steal on the road. go to brazil.
2013-03-27 10:40:21 AM  
2 votes:
Haha! Suck it, Mexico, you couldn't beat us in a game that we don't even care about, and that REALLY REALLY matters to you.
2013-03-27 10:34:41 AM  
2 votes:

MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!


5 seconds at a time?  Did you watch the first half?  No how I know you didn't watch the first half?
2013-03-27 10:34:08 AM  
2 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!

In their defense, it's hard to have the ball for 5 seconds when the other team is faking an injury, the whistle blows, and 4 or 5 guys surround the ref for 2 minutes.


Wait. That was an NBA game I was watching?
2013-03-27 07:55:21 PM  
1 votes:
Why do American feel his incessant need to tell others that soccer shouldn't be watched?

Because Europeans and American soccer fans feel an incessant need to tell us we should be watching soccer instead of our sports that we already watch and enjoy.

Its not like we haven't heard of it or its not available we just don't care for it. piss off and stop trying to tell us we need to watch it.
2013-03-27 05:28:16 PM  
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: fo_sho!: tylerdurden217: It's hard to watch the US Men's National Team play soccer. Those guys look like an Army intramural team, not professional athletes. If Reggie Bush played striker his whole life, LeBron played goalie, etc. the USA would be the favorite to win every year. They are not a good representation of American athletes.

No they wouldn't. See the earlier posts about just how young they play seriously (as in - signed to a major team) in other countries. The US does not develop players that way.

Also world class at one sport does not always mean world class at another. You think Messi would be successful in the NFL?

Right, and in my post, I said if Reggie Bush played his whole life. Look, I'm pretty certain that Bush could have started in middle school and still been better than nearly any soccer player you can think of. No, I don't think Messi would be good at American Football, but that's my point. You could build 10 teams of soccer players from American Football and Basketball that would dominate soccer on a world level. Imagine Adrian Peterson, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Reggie Bush, Robert Griffin III, Calvin Johnson, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Mike Wallace, Dez Bryant... And that's just the NFL and I'm just getting started. Each and every one of these guys is a better athlete than any soccer player from any country that you can name. Now of course you would need to have played the sport and have some decent coaching, but the USA would dominate.

I watch the USA now and expect them to lose because they are not good athletes. Period. It's our 6th rate (or worse) against the best that everyone else has to put on the pitch... and we still compete pretty well.


BS. I've heard this argument time and again (mostly relating to rugby) and it doesn't hold water. Different sports require different skillsets, there is no one "master athlete" who could excel at any sport if they just focused on it - unless you're talking about power based track and field or some other similar subset. The ability to dribble a ball is a lot different than evading tackles with footwork. Breakaway speed is different to being able to curl a 30 yard shot into the top corner.

 There have been plenty of examples of professional sports stars who excelled despite being unathletic. The "intangibles" that will lead to a QB prospect being drafted higher than his stats dictate play a much greater role in soccer than in football due to the open, less scripted nature of the game.

If Michael Jordan had devoted his life to playing baseball would he have been a hall of famer? I highly doubt it. US Football, above almost all team sports, is obsessed with size and stats because athleticism is more important than talent for a lot of positions. In soccer the case is pretty much reversed. Diego Maradonna, George Best, Paul Gascoigne, Ronaldo (not Christiano) - none of them were particularly gifted athletes but they were all world class talents.
rka
2013-03-27 05:24:03 PM  
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: Each and every one of these guys is a better athlete than any soccer player from any country that you can name. Now of course you would need to have played the sport and have some decent coaching, but the USA would dominate.



And if none of them could creatively handle a soccer ball in traffic it wouldn't matter one bit. "Decent coaching"? You're going to need more than decent coaching,  world class athletes or not. It takes DECADES of coaching, generations even. From an early age. And it takes a massive feeder infrastructure to find, funnel and train those kids.

The US doesn't lag the world class soccer countries because we don't have the athletes playing, that's absurd. We lag because we don't have an entire infrastructure dedicated to finding, nurturing and training those kids that show an aptitude at the levels other countries do. Kid gets good in soccer here in the US he still has to run the gauntlet of his local HS coach (maybe someone's dad volunteering) and local rules on the amount of games played and time to practice, maybe he finds some traveling all-star team with a better coach, maybe not. And then where does he go? College? Again, rules on number of games played, practice time, GPAs to maintain. Plus, name me a soccer factory College powerhouse on par with an Alabama or Miami for football. By the time a US player gets to a MLS team his counterpart in Europe has already been playing pro, with pro level coaching, for years.

The closest thing the US has to the soccer factories elsewhere is maybe Junior Hockey, where you take a kid at 16 and send him to play a much tougher schedule than he'd ever see in high school, or even college. But in soccer terms as defined by the countries that are really serious, 16 is already too late to really start.
2013-03-27 04:52:23 PM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: ScouserDuck: FLMountainMan: You're the jerk... jerk: ScouserDuck: This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.

Arizona has 55M people?

I think he meant land area.  Which is important when you are discussing how many people follow certain sports.

It does when sport allegiances are divided geographically. There are what? 4 EPL teams in the London city limits alone (Chelsea, arsenal, QPR, spurs....am I missing anyone?). If there was only 1-2 London teams, imagine how big their stadia could be. That doesn't even include the lower league teams.

New York has two professional baseball teams, two professional basketball teams, two professional football teams, two professional hockey teams, and one professional soccer team.


A) New York City has 0 football teams. They're both New Jersey teams. B) New York City had a larger population than London. If they actually had 4 teams in the city limits...their attendance per team would go down significantly which directly supports my original point that having significantly more teams in a smaller geographic area lowers attendance per team.
2013-03-27 04:16:23 PM  
1 votes:

You're the jerk... jerk: ScouserDuck: This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.

Arizona has 55M people?


I think he meant land area.  Which is important when you are discussing how many people follow certain sports.
rka
2013-03-27 03:47:29 PM  
1 votes:

Lee's_Austin: Could be one of the reasons why the sport was, essentially, dead here until '94.  Really for no good reason other than it stood out to me when I watched the documentary.


I think that is putting the cart before the horse.

A television network would air German skeet shooting if it repeatedly brought in viewers. "Buy American" really isn't in their DNA.

None of the big sports had great TV contracts back in the 70's. It was pre-cable. It was pre-ESPN. It was pre-Magic/Larry NBA time. The NFL had to cajole ABC, the network with the lowest ratings at the time, to take on Monday Night Football after the other stations turned Rozelle down. Baseball was the biggest. Hockey was hockey.

I don't think pro Soccer failed in the 70's because of TV. It failed because it was fundamentally a poorly run enterprise. Over-expansion, poor business practices, greedy owners looking to cash in quick.
2013-03-27 03:46:21 PM  
1 votes:

ScouserDuck: This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.


I wonder what that toser would've argued about in the pre-Hillsborough days, when capacity was about who was playing that day.  IIRC a Merseyside derby would've easily packed 70,000+ into Goodison or Anfield.
2013-03-27 03:44:13 PM  
1 votes:

ScouserDuck: As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team.


Ohio has 8 FBS teams.
2013-03-27 03:02:30 PM  
1 votes:
If you look at this Hex table, MLS has helped everyone other than Mexico and the US more than anything.
2013-03-27 02:29:33 PM  
1 votes:

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: In CONCACAF, the US should seriously schedule every game for someplace with snow in the forecast. Denver was perfect for a warm-weather, sea-level opponent like Costa Rica. Like the altitude at Azteca, it's our strongest homefield advantage. We should only ever play Mexico in Seattle or Portland, or failing that, Phoenix. But only after arresting the families of Mexico's players for being illegals.

As for being pleased, only 8 countries have ever won at Azteca (the US is one of them), and only Brazil and Peru have done it twice.

We're only two or three hundred feet above sea level in Portland. I mean, it does rain a ton but the temperature is pretty temperate. Not exactly hostile territory for a team from El Carib up here.


Team Mexico typically plays in Mexico City, a high-altitude, warm-weather, arid-climate.

Portland is the opposite of that. It's a sea level, cold, wet climate. It's everything the non-EPL Mexican players aren't used to.

Sort of how we played Costa Rica (sea-level, humid, hot) in Denver in a blizzard (high-altitude, arid, frigid). The US has a fabulous amount of geographic diversity. It's about time we exploit that to our own advantage. Our first home win over Mexico came when we finally stopped playing in LA and took Mexico to Fort Lauderdale, where the locals hate Mexicans. The threat of being murdered by the locals tends to make a team play below their talent. We have to play in the shiathole that is Mexico City and Guatemala City; it's only fair. We should bring them to Detroit.
2013-03-27 02:29:03 PM  
1 votes:

PowerSlacker: Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.


You could always leave.
2013-03-27 01:20:57 PM  
1 votes:

Swoop1809: I watched a documentary on the Cosmos yesterday before the match because I was in a soccer mood. What amazes me is that there was absolutely no soccer in the US basically between 1950 and the start of the NASL. No youth soccer to build domestic players, nothing. So when the NASL started all the domestic players were crap because there was no development system. So youth soccer got big in the late 70s and 80s and the US was finally growing kids in the game.

The had a picture from before a Cosmos game of a youth soccer team holding up the banner like you usually see, and on that team ended up being a player that would play for the US in the World Cup when they made it for the first time since 1950.

We havent had a long time to build development systems. At 30 years we have had the youth system and produced 3 generations of players. We are finally getting to the stage where Americans who grew up playing soccer and being successful at it are having kids that can go through the academies and who can turn into great players. These other countries have had development leagues for a hundred years or more. We are doing just fine for being a newcomer to the world soccer stage.

Now that the MLS is boosting their academies we are starting to see much more home grown talent playing for MLS clubs. There Crew signed a handful of homegrown players in the last 2 years and they are already having a big impact. That will only get better. Currently the MLS has representatives from teams spending 2 years in France living there and studying their development system to bring that back to the US.


One of the bigger obstacles to US player development is the US collegiate system (which is better for the players that don't make the big time i.e. 99% of them) vs the European academy system (which trains younger players at the expense of a university education).

Whereas a good player in Europe will sign on to the schoolboy teams for a big club at the age of 12 - possibly younger -  in the US the path to professional sports means playing high school, then collegiate level. Far better if you are a good player that realistically will never play in the world cup but a long way from the Ajax academy where players start at the age of 7 or 8.
2013-03-27 12:48:03 PM  
1 votes:

Killer Cars: rickythepenguin: but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

Truthfully, they wouldn't have to. The MLS, while admittedly I still only follow it casually, has gotten demonstrably better because the overall talent pool is increasing. Just making marginal increases in scouting and player development and siphoning a few "average" players from bigger leagues overseas who weren't getting much playing time otherwise makes a better and more consistent product on the field.


Not to mention, it's the growing period that all leagues have to go through in a global market like soccer has. It goes against our 'murican psyche to accept being 2nd or 3rd or 40th best at something, but with so many well-established leagues with 100 years of history under their belts, our progress is going to have to be slow and steady if it's to be sustained.
2013-03-27 12:16:58 PM  
1 votes:
jagarr:   did anyone watch the sports center immediately following the broadcast?

Sportscenter lead with soccer and hockey highlights. I had to make sure I didn't fall in some worm hole to another dimension.
2013-03-27 12:04:15 PM  
1 votes:

The Voice of Doom: That's not really a curiosity.
Weaker teams often have decent goalies or at least they're perceived as such.


It's not just the men (Guzan, Howard, Friedel, Tony Meola, Zach Thornton, Kasey Keller, Marcus Hanhemann, Joe Cannon). Our women have standout goalies too and the women's team is among the elite (Briana Scurry, Hope Solo, Nicole Barnhart).
2013-03-27 11:55:52 AM  
1 votes:

literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


You probably haven't noticed, but soccer IS catching on in the US, however gradually.  We had a rather large contingent of fans in Mexico last night, MLS is doing quite well, and the game has never been more popular here.

No, it will not become a passion for the majority of Americans, but that doesn't mean they need to change the game.
2013-03-27 11:53:35 AM  
1 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: StRalphTheLiar: bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.


GK is the only position I have never worried about for the US.

Why is that?
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding.  Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.


The position does not rely on actual soccer ability.
2013-03-27 11:52:47 AM  
1 votes:
The USMNT just played the hardest game remaining prior to the World Cup (assuming they don't end up in 4th place and have to play-in). Klinsmann did a great job putting people out of their comfort zones to see how they stand up to real pressure. The 0-0 result was hard fought and fair IMO (I disagree that there should have been a PK awarded).

The article doesn't go far enough. That was only the 5th point earned by the U.S. on Mexican soil in any stadium. EVER. It is a huge deal even though it may not seem like a lot to uneducated observers.
2013-03-27 11:47:42 AM  
1 votes:
Wicked Chinchilla
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding. Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.


That's not really a curiosity.
Weaker teams often have decent goalies or at least they're perceived as such.
More work for the goalie = more opportunities to excel&save the day and fewer opportunities to make the single mistake that loses the game.
If your team is outplayed and there are 10 good attempts on your goal and you can save all but one, you still look awesome even if the one that goes in happens to be your fault. Even if you lose the game 0:1 that way, the general impression will be that with a different goalie the game would have ended 0:5.

If, OTOH, you can get in half an hour of sleep between 2-3 half-assed attempts on your goal in 90 minutes, you can only hope that you haven't gone cold and that you can make the save and don't make a mistake. Because if you f*ck up, you might not get another opportunity to show your skills. See Germany's Manuel Neuer yesterday as an example.
2013-03-27 11:36:31 AM  
1 votes:

Lego_Addict: It happens a lot in Europe too. Almost every Spanish league game I've seen this year has the green laser on someone's face. I don't see it much in the EPL but it happens there too.

I wish they would find the culprits and really fark em up.


Yeah, the green lasers are really appalling. I don't care if someone's rooting for my team or not - that shiat is unacceptable and makes your team/fanbase/country look bad.
I don't doubt that stadium authorities in many places are on the side of the assholes who use the pointers, though (or sufficiently cowed to not make a difference).  Sad.
2013-03-27 11:34:38 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Nana's Vibrator: TheShavingofOccam123: Nana's Vibrator: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!

In their defense, it's hard to have the ball for 5 seconds when the other team is faking an injury, the whistle blows, and 4 or 5 guys surround the ref for 2 minutes.

Wait. That was an NBA game I was watching?

Pretty much.  In the eyes of an American sports fan,  soccer can be the worst of the worlds of our major sports.  You have the contact whistles and flopping and referee complaining of basketball, you have the low scoring of hockey, and the slow pace of baseball.
I like soccer when the game is respected and played right - as goes with any other sport.

Calm down fellow hockey fans, he's right. We're down to 2.69 goals per game, and we haven't had two consecutive seasons above 3 GPG since 1993.

High scoring in basketball takes some of the punch out of the game too, though. A 119-118 win in a game where someone scores every thirty seconds sounds more like a coin toss or unfortunate positioning in a game of inky-pinky-ponky than a clear result of some competitive event.


You're absolutely right. I generally will only watch the last 5 minutes of a bball game. That alone usually takes 30 min. due to fouls and time outs.
2013-03-27 11:32:36 AM  
1 votes:

ScouserDuck: Lost Thought 00: Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?

You can take all of the Eastern European racists and Thugs and you still wouldn't have fans as bad as raider fans.

Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that? Maybe it's just California. California is the Eastern Europe of the US.


I quit watching Whacked Out Sports on broadcast TV when they showed a fan being knifed at a Raiders game.

You would think a nice set of misters would show the laser beams coming out of the stands and running right back up to the shooter.
2013-03-27 11:23:53 AM  
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?


You can take all of the Eastern European racists and Thugs and you still wouldn't have fans as bad as raider fans.

Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that? Maybe it's just California. California is the Eastern Europe of the US.
2013-03-27 11:20:55 AM  
1 votes:

rickythepenguin: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca. It was a weird night. A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.

VvonderJesus: The U.S. is lucky to have stolen a point, and the referee is luckier that he made it out alive.


absolutely!  that no-call on the takedown from behind (what, 75th minute thereabouts?) with mexico knocking on the door?  yeeeeeeesh.

we'll take it but yeah, USA got lucky.  like that long shot off the crossbar, too (although the USA keeper didn't appear to make much of an effort on the ball).


It didnt hit the cross bar, it hit the stabilizers holding the net up behind the goal. He didnt make an attempt because he knew it was clear over.
2013-03-27 11:03:37 AM  
1 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: Why is that?
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding. Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.


Because if you're an undersized small forward, your basketball skills translate very easily to the soccer pitch as a GK.

That's my theory, anyway.
2013-03-27 10:54:31 AM  
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The game was ugly and the US was very fortunate a penalty wasn't given (or perhaps two) but a point at the Azteca is an accomplishment for sure.
2013-03-27 10:50:07 AM  
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bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.



GK is the only position I have never worried about for the US.
2013-03-27 10:39:15 AM  
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I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.

It's really unsettling they only had one legit shot last night. That kind of offensive performance will barely contend with CONCACAF's shiattiest teams; they're toast if that's what they can put up against the Spains and Germanys of the world.
2013-03-27 10:36:04 AM  
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2013-03-27 10:33:26 AM  
1 votes:

MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!


In their defense, it's hard to have the ball for 5 seconds when the other team is faking an injury, the whistle blows, and 4 or 5 guys surround the ref for 2 minutes.
2013-03-27 10:28:55 AM  
1 votes:
Hey, thanks for the auto-play crapmitter.
2013-03-27 10:26:49 AM  
1 votes:
We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!
2013-03-27 10:24:08 AM  
1 votes:
A defensive performance for the ages.  Well done, Besler and Gonzalez.
2013-03-27 08:37:37 AM  
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SilentStrider: I was impressed.


I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.
 
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