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(ESPN FC)   USA defeats Mexico 0-0   (espnfc.com) divider line 311
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2013-03-30 06:48:35 AM  

Trapper439: Nah, just giving the "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! We're #1!" crowd that show up in every thread about non-US sports the ridicule they so richly deserve.


Honest question, do Europeans (and Australians I guess) treat basketball and ice hockey the way Americans treat soccer? Those are the two North American sports that have garnered a presence in Europe on the level soccer has here, so does Euro patriotism lead to soccer fans ignorantly hating on these foreign sports?
 
2013-03-30 08:52:11 AM  
TheJoe03:Honest question, do Europeans (and Australians I guess) treat basketball and ice hockey the way Americans treat soccer?

Not sure, but people in Manchester treat rugby like people in Puri treat the Ratha yatra.
 
2013-03-30 08:53:43 AM  

TheJoe03: Trapper439: Nah, just giving the "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! We're #1!" crowd that show up in every thread about non-US sports the ridicule they so richly deserve.

Honest question, do Europeans (and Australians I guess) treat basketball and ice hockey the way Americans treat soccer? Those are the two North American sports that have garnered a presence in Europe on the level soccer has here, so does Euro patriotism lead to soccer fans ignorantly hating on these foreign sports?


I can only speak for myself, but to me basketball is a sport that Lithuania used to do well at at the Olympics in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union. I appreciate the skill involved in a shooting guard going to the rim, but I've only known a couple of sports fans that ever followed basketball, and I found it a bit ridiculous that possibly the greatest ever basketball team (ie the mid-90s Chicago Bulls team that only lost a handful of games in an NBA season) included Dennis Rodman and Luc Longley in  their starting five. I don't see either of those guys as being particularly skillful. Tall and determined, yes. But not skillful.

Ice Hockey seems to be quite exciting, and from what I've read about Wayne Gretzky he was one of the greatest and most visionary sportspeople ever to grace any sporting venue. Statistically, he was only half a standard deviation or so behind Bradman*. He was even statistically on around a  par with Pele. I would have liked to play some ice hockey when I was younger. But sadly, there are not many places in the world where the lakes freeze over in the winter.

*Sir Donald Bradman lost the best years of his career to WWII.

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Here's a few graphs and articles showing just how good Bradman and Gretzky were:

Gretzky:

http://pappubahry.blogspot.com.au/2008/01/bradman-v-gretzky-v-orr.ht ml

Bradman:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/75905404@N00/8462554263/in/photostream
 
2013-03-30 08:59:43 AM  
PS Also used to enjoy watching Joe Montana play when I lived in the US during the '80s.
 
2013-03-30 03:14:43 PM  

Trapper439: included Dennis Rodman and Luc Longley in  their starting five. I don't see either of those guys as being particularly skillful. Tall and determined, yes. But not skillful.


Rodman is considered one of the best defenders of all time, and some say the best rebounder ever. To say he wasn't skillful and his height was his only skill is kind of asinine. Plenty of other people have been his height and they don't have his reputation.
 
2013-03-30 03:16:04 PM  
He was actually small for his position, he's the same height as Kobe.
 
2013-03-30 05:13:38 PM  

TheJoe03: Trapper439: Nah, just giving the "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! We're #1!" crowd that show up in every thread about non-US sports the ridicule they so richly deserve.

Honest question, do Europeans (and Australians I guess) treat basketball and ice hockey the way Americans treat soccer? Those are the two North American sports that have garnered a presence in Europe on the level soccer has here, so does Euro patriotism lead to soccer fans ignorantly hating on these foreign sports?


Nobody cares. Seriously, basketball and ice hockey aren't even on the radar here.

Soccer is far more popular in the US than any American sport is here. That's why the soccer trolls are so vocal I think - they feel threatened.
 
2013-03-30 05:29:35 PM  

brapbrapbrap: Nobody cares. Seriously, basketball and ice hockey aren't even on the radar here.


Only in the UK, you guys have the worst basketball and hockey team in Europe. It seems the British are the most resistant to our sports, even the French have a growing basketball interest and the Russians like both. It's why I'm 100% against London getting an NFL team, it's the one European country that is totally resistant to our sports.

Anyways I'm not discounting the British view on hoops and hockey but I'm well aware that many nations takes those sports very seriously. In places like Turkey or Serbia basketball is a strong 2nd sport. In places like Russia or Sweden the same can be said for hockey. Both seem to be growing in general, so I truly do see them as our soccer in that sense.
 
2013-03-31 07:09:53 AM  

TheJoe03: Trapper439: included Dennis Rodman and Luc Longley in  their starting five. I don't see either of those guys as being particularly skillful. Tall and determined, yes. But not skillful.

Rodman is considered one of the best defenders of all time, and some say the best rebounder ever. To say he wasn't skillful and his height was his only skill is kind of asinine. Plenty of other people have been his height and they don't have his reputation.


I'm well aware that Rodman was a great defender and rebounder. I'm just saying that I put that down to his awesome athletic and mental attributes, rather than freakish hand-eye coordination and technical skill (eg his team mates Jordan and Pippen). When it's all said and done, rebounding is just catching a ball, and defense is just about applying yourself fully. To put it another way, I'm pretty sure he and Luc Longley would have gotten their asses handed to them when the Bulls starting five went on golf outings.
 
2013-03-31 07:32:43 AM  

Trapper439: When it's all said and done, rebounding is just catching a ball, and defense is just about applying yourself fully.


/facepalm
 
2013-03-31 08:15:14 AM  

TheJoe03: Trapper439: When it's all said and done, rebounding is just catching a ball, and defense is just about applying yourself fully.

/facepalm


Yeah, you American sports fans seem to define "skill" differently to the rest of the world. Like I said, Rodman was an incredibly tenacious player with the stamina and determination to thwart his opponents. I'm not claiming that that isn't a wonderful thing.

But "skill" is a different thing altogether. "Skill" is a VVS Laxman cover drive, or a Sinisa Mihajlovic free-kick. I'm not saying that the likes of Dennis Rodman and Jerry Rice weren't great at what they did, but ultimately it was just about catching a ball. If you gave the average 12yo the body of Deion Sanders he could catch a ball just as well as "Neon Deion".

Athleticism =/= Skill.

Seems that US sports reward Athleticism (often artificially enhanced) over Skill to the point where many US sports fans like you can't even recognize the difference. To put it in terms of American sports: Mickey Mantle>Mark McGwire.

I pity you.
 
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