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2013-03-27 01:43:14 PM

seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.


huh, i didn't know that.

It's not a big headliner like signing a well-known star would be, but it may signal that international players are beginning to view MLS in a more legitimate light. I'd suspect that for awhile these types of signings will be rare and probably only be pulled off by the bigger teams and those with more rabid fanbases (Seattle, LA, NY, Portland). I'd doubt many guys are going to be clamoring to join Columbus, even if they are in a frame of mind to entertain offers from MLS.


or he wanted to get out of spain before the euro collapses...
 
2013-03-27 01:57:38 PM

seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.


huh, i didn't know that.

It's not a big headliner like signing a well-known star would be, but it may signal that international players are beginning to view MLS in a more legitimate light. I'd suspect that for awhile these types of signings will be rare and probably only be pulled off by the bigger teams and those with more rabid fanbases (Seattle, LA, NY, Portland). I'd doubt many guys are going to be clamoring to join Columbus, even if they are in a frame of mind to entertain offers from MLS.


Very true, but at very least it's a step in the right direction.  No one is expecting the MLS to compete with teams that are regularly in the Champions League but you have to start somewhere.  Some of those teams you mentioned are attractive to players in SA or lower European leagues because of stability.  Something that couldn't be said 10yrs ago.  This year the Timbers (Portland) picked up a very good player from Argentina who's been on their national team and in the their top league - Diego Valeri.  He picked the MLS for the fact it's a legit paycheck that is actually paid and the safety of the US (along with the support he'll see in Portland).  Many players in SA who have had to deal with threats and inconsistent pay etc. will start to migrate to the US, and I think that's a good thing.
 
2013-03-27 02:10:52 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.


huh, i didn't know that.

It's not a big headliner like signing a well-known star would be, but it may signal that international players are beginning to view MLS in a more legitimate light. I'd suspect that for awhile these types of signings will be rare and probably only be pulled off by the bigger teams and those with more rabid fanbases (Seattle, LA, NY, Portland). I'd doubt many guys are going to be clamoring to join Columbus, even if they are in a frame of mind to entertain offers from MLS.

Very true, but at very least it's a step in the right direction.  No one is expecting the MLS to compete with teams that are regularly in the Champions League but you have to start somewhere.  Some of those teams you mentioned are attractive to players in SA or lower European leagues because of stability.  Something that couldn't be said 10yrs ago.  This year the Timbers (Portland) picked up a very good player from Argentina who's been on their national team and in the their top league - Diego Valeri.  He picked the MLS for the fact it's a legit paycheck that is actually paid and the safety of the US (along with the support he'll see in Portland).  Many players in SA who have had to deal with threats and inconsistent pay etc. will start to migrate to the US, and I think that's a good thing.


If only their national teams would consider MLS a legit league. The South American guys come up here for the paycheck/experience/stability and then are dropped from consideration for national team duties because they play in a "lesser" league. Fredy Montero went back to Colombia this season to get back on the national team radar despite his success up here (also because it made financial sense for the Sounders). Sounders GK Michael Gspurning is one of the top 2 GKs in the league right now and hasn't even had his phone ring for the Austrian national team (farking Austria, really) because they consider MLS to be below ALL european leagues. Any success is immediately discounted because of the MLS monicker.

The central american and carribean countries are in love with the MLS, but South America lags behind - even in countries that haven't sniffed a WC berth in years.

Then again, signings like Valeri (who scares the crap out of me) and Martins will eventually elevate the image of the league. Even to those who don't want to acknowledge its legitimacy. Hell, the homegrown guys are really starting to make some noise too (Besler and Gonzalez last night, for a more recent example). EPL is waking up to the idea that Americans can play more than just GK at the elite level and MLS is the reason for guys like Cameron, Shea, John, etc. getting looks from english squads.
 
2013-03-27 02:11:40 PM
Well I can't see how this is not going to make soccer more palatable and acceptable to Americans.
 
2013-03-27 02:13:42 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-27 02:19:08 PM

Hang On Voltaire: TheShavingofOccam123: MBooda: Hang On Voltaire: That was the biggest ass kicking by an American in Mexico since Winfield Scott

El Bozo?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 238x320]

"Hoy Don Francisco tiene 100 años. Entre sus aficiones están lanzando orina y fes en América futbolistas. Pasa sus días jugando con las putas rojas y sus tetas musicales."

Feliz Compleanos Don Francisco


No, you must be Don Francisco's sister.
 
2013-03-27 02:20:18 PM
Farkin brilliant result. I put my chalice under the weepy eyes of el Tri fans to capture their tears. Ambrosia. Their wails are Siren songs. Not giving up a penalty in Azteca was the absinthe chaser. I call it a historical make up call. We were due some justice.
Fark Mexico.
Fark'em raw.
USA USA USA!
/not a hint of irony
 
2013-03-27 02:24:16 PM
Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.
 
2013-03-27 02:28:16 PM

PowerSlacker: Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.


Your handle is quite ironic for your statement.

/go play (how about just walk the street) in Mexico City and come out with a draw you nincompoop.
 
2013-03-27 02:29:03 PM

PowerSlacker: Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.


You could always leave.
 
2013-03-27 02:29:05 PM

PowerSlacker: Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.


OK tough guy
/pats on head
//sends on way with ice cream cone
 
2013-03-27 02:29:33 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: In CONCACAF, the US should seriously schedule every game for someplace with snow in the forecast. Denver was perfect for a warm-weather, sea-level opponent like Costa Rica. Like the altitude at Azteca, it's our strongest homefield advantage. We should only ever play Mexico in Seattle or Portland, or failing that, Phoenix. But only after arresting the families of Mexico's players for being illegals.

As for being pleased, only 8 countries have ever won at Azteca (the US is one of them), and only Brazil and Peru have done it twice.

We're only two or three hundred feet above sea level in Portland. I mean, it does rain a ton but the temperature is pretty temperate. Not exactly hostile territory for a team from El Carib up here.


Team Mexico typically plays in Mexico City, a high-altitude, warm-weather, arid-climate.

Portland is the opposite of that. It's a sea level, cold, wet climate. It's everything the non-EPL Mexican players aren't used to.

Sort of how we played Costa Rica (sea-level, humid, hot) in Denver in a blizzard (high-altitude, arid, frigid). The US has a fabulous amount of geographic diversity. It's about time we exploit that to our own advantage. Our first home win over Mexico came when we finally stopped playing in LA and took Mexico to Fort Lauderdale, where the locals hate Mexicans. The threat of being murdered by the locals tends to make a team play below their talent. We have to play in the shiathole that is Mexico City and Guatemala City; it's only fair. We should bring them to Detroit.
 
2013-03-27 02:31:10 PM

seumasokelly: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.


huh, i didn't know that.

It's not a big headliner like signing a well-known star would be, but it may signal that international players are beginning to view MLS in a more legitimate light. I'd suspect that for awhile these types of signings will be rare and probably only be pulled off by the bigger teams and those with more rabid fanbases (Seattle, LA, NY, Portland). I'd doubt many guys are going to be clamoring to join Columbus, even if they are in a frame of mind to entertain offers from MLS.

Very true, but at very least it's a step in the right direction.  No one is expecting the MLS to compete with teams that are regularly in the Champions League but you have to start somewhere.  Some of those teams you mentioned are attractive to players in SA or lower European leagues because of stability.  Something that couldn't be said 10yrs ago.  This year the Timbers (Portland) picked up a very good player from Argentina who's been on their national team and in the their top league - Diego Valeri.  He picked the MLS for the fact it's a legit paycheck that is actually paid and the safety of the US (along with the support he'll see in Portland).  Many players in SA who have had to deal with threats and inconsistent pay etc. will start to migrate to the US, and I think that's a good thing.

If only their national teams would consider MLS a legit league. The South American guys come up here for the paycheck/experience/stability and then are dropped from consideration for national team duties because they play in a "lesser" league. Fredy Montero went back to Colombia this season to get back on the national team radar despite his success up here (also because it made financial sense for the Sounders). Sounders GK Michael Gspurning is one of the top 2 GKs in the league right now and hasn't even had his phone ring for the Austrian national team (farking Austria, really) because they consider MLS to be below ALL european leagues. Any success is immediately discounted because of the MLS monicker.

The central american and carribean countries are in love with the MLS, but South America lags behind - even in countries that haven't sniffed a WC berth in years.

Then again, signings like Valeri (who scares the crap out of me) and Martins will eventually elevate the image of the league. Even to those who don't want to acknowledge its legitimacy. Hell, the homegrown guys are really starting to make some noise too (Besler and Gonzalez last night, for a more recent example). EPL is waking up to the idea that Americans can play more than just GK at the elite level and MLS is the reason for guys like Cameron, Shea, John, etc. getting looks from english squads.


Yeah, the biggest loss because of national team consideration if Calos Valdes in Philadlephia. Peckerman wanted him to play in a South American league to continue to be eligible for national team selection, so he is stuck on a year-long loan in the Columbian first division, which is hardly a step up from MLS. As much I'd love for a guy who captained an MLS team to play for a team like Colombia in the world cup, losing him really sucked for the Union's back line.

Strangely enough teams like Columbus have done pretty well in the foreign signing department. Guys like Guillermo Barros Schelotto and Federico Higuaín will never draw a crowd but they're guys you can build a team around, and both were pretty much brought to Columbus with the pitch of "Columbus is a calm, slightly boring city that's a perfect place to raise your family."
 
2013-03-27 02:31:31 PM
Considering how all the signage in my town is in Spanish, I'm thinking Mexico won a long time ago.
 
2013-03-27 02:31:53 PM

Gosling: Basically, the United States ordering the rules of soccer be changed is like the Netherlands ordering that the rules of baseball be changed.


Europe dictated the rules of basketball (internationally), even though they weren't any damn good at the game. That only recently changed -- and primarily because it hurt Euro players trying to adapt to NBA rules.
 
2013-03-27 02:33:09 PM

LucklessWonder: Oldiron_79: LucklessWonder: Begoggle: soccer is gay

/am I trolling right

All sports are inherently homo-erotic with the exception of nude Greco-Roman wrestling.

/Am I?

Lemme guess greco-roman wrestling is only gay if you make eye contact.

No, it's only gay if balls are touching.


Or if you finish.
 
2013-03-27 02:39:22 PM

nwave: [i.imgur.com image 850x750]


thanks for that
 
2013-03-27 02:40:01 PM
Soccer is meant to be played, not watched.  There is a reason why most every stadium filled with soccer fans is drunk off their ass, fighting, or both.
 
2013-03-27 02:44:19 PM

literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


cdn3.mocksession.com
 
2013-03-27 02:55:37 PM

hdhale: Soccer is meant to be played, not watched.  There is a reason why most every stadium filled with soccer fans is drunk off their ass, fighting, or both.


And yet whatever sport you like to watch will never be watched by even half as many people as soccer, while soccer will go on being the most watched spectator sport that ever existed.

Funny how things worked out huh?
 
2013-03-27 02:56:41 PM

Raging Whore Moans: literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

[cdn3.mocksession.com image 850x478]


SEATTLE! SOUNDERS!


/suck it Timbers
//you too Whitecaps
 
2013-03-27 02:56:44 PM

Mirrorz: Considering how all the signage in my town is in Spanish, I'm thinking Mexico won a long time ago.


Considering how some of the defenders of the shrine to your state's liberty were named things like Jaun Seguin, Antonio Cruz y Arocha, Jose Gregorio Esparza, and Damacio Jimenez, you can deal with a few bilingual signs.

This place WAS Mexico. The border just moved south.
 
2013-03-27 02:57:10 PM
rickythepenguin:

/ok, change the game to add a ref in each half of the field.  the ball can go from penalty box to penalty box  in 5 seconds.  the ref just cannot see all the stuff going on and a second pair of eyes on the field (the lineman response is unsatisfactory) would help.  but yeah, that willl never happen either so WFC.

3 or 4 refs in high level games, serious repercussions for flopping (not just a soccer problem) and an independent time keeper are my top three wants from soccer.

/And a change to the handball rule when behind the goal keeper to award more than the penalty shot
 
2013-03-27 02:57:45 PM

Raging Whore Moans: literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

[cdn3.mocksession.com image 850x478]


I say this a Cascadia resident - Portland and Seattle are not the US, they are a region.  I think the sentiment still stands.
 
2013-03-27 02:58:15 PM
Juan, not Jaun. Stupid fingers.
 
2013-03-27 03:02:30 PM
If you look at this Hex table, MLS has helped everyone other than Mexico and the US more than anything.
 
2013-03-27 03:07:24 PM
Lost Thought 00:

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world.

That's true. They are also the best sports fans in the world, the tallest sports fans in the world, the shortest sports fans in the world, the [insert anything here] sports fans in the world. They outnumber fans of other sports several times over, you can find the most extreme of anything in soccer.
 
rka
2013-03-27 03:08:55 PM

nwave: hdhale: Soccer is meant to be played, not watched.  There is a reason why most every stadium filled with soccer fans is drunk off their ass, fighting, or both.

And yet whatever sport you like to watch will never be watched by even half as many people as soccer, while soccer will go on being the most watched spectator sport that ever existed.

Funny how things worked out huh?


Something, something Spice Girls.
 
2013-03-27 03:10:49 PM

MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!


You're joking, right?  Nobody goes into Azteca and wins, period.  So does that mean there aren't any real soccer teams?
 
2013-03-27 03:14:27 PM

Raging Whore Moans: literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

[cdn3.mocksession.com image 850x478]


Except soccer already has the largest audience of any sport in the world, so why would they want to change the rules?
 
2013-03-27 03:14:39 PM

Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.


In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.
 
2013-03-27 03:16:29 PM

Gonz: Wicked Chinchilla: Why is that?
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding. Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.

Because if you're an undersized small forward, your basketball skills translate very easily to the soccer pitch as a GK.

That's my theory, anyway.


THIS.  Played juco ball - 2 guard, and took up soccer in my thirties.  Goalkeep is a natural fit.
 
2013-03-27 03:16:35 PM
It would be nice if you could get this many people to beat off over trade relations or drug traffic issues between our countries.

But, soccer!

I'll be over here.
Under the tarp.
trying not to get splooged on.
 
2013-03-27 03:18:24 PM

PowerSlacker: Being thrilled about a tie...fark this pussified nation.


3/10.  I'll give ya credit for some of the nibbles you got.
 
2013-03-27 03:24:34 PM

FLMountainMan: THIS. Played juco ball - 2 guard, and took up soccer in my thirties. Goalkeep is a natural fit.


I played a lot of different sports as a kid (wasn't good at any, really), and played central and right mid as a soccer player during middle school/ early HS. The first time I ever played GK was in a rec league during college, and I was instantly more comfortable there than I had been at midfielder which I technically had plenty of experience in. I'm not saying I found it "easy", just, like you said, more...natural.
 
2013-03-27 03:31:20 PM

This text is now purple: The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.


Per game it does but not over a season where the EPL has 19 home games and the Big 10 only 6 to 8.

The highest attendance in 2012, Ohio State with the benefit of a full 8 home games would have been in fifth place compared to full season attendance in the 2011-12 EPL.  The highest attendance with just 6 games, Michigan, would have been 9th in the EPL.  Minnesota was behind ALL of the EPL's in total season attendance.

http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/eng-premier-league-2011-2012/ 1/
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/attendance/FBS_AVGATTENDANCE. pd f  (warning pdf)
 
2013-03-27 03:31:49 PM

This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.


Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.
 
2013-03-27 03:36:38 PM

This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.


Today, American Football absolutely doesn't need the help.  It is by far our number one sport.

I was only commenting on what the network that aired NASL games did in '77 when the sport's popularity was in steep decline and one of the reasons why.  Could be one of the reasons why the sport was, essentially, dead here until '94.  Really for no good reason other than it stood out to me when I watched the documentary.
 
2013-03-27 03:42:05 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Wait. That was an NBA game I was watching?


You should have been, Mavs/Clippers was much better to watch. I understand why this tie is meaningful, but I still hate the concept of being happy or excited about a scoreless tie. Nevertheless, good job USA.
 
2013-03-27 03:42:25 PM

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: But the "wouldn't it be great if we had a 'face' of the US WC team?" argument didn't work for Landon Donovan, Alexi Lalas, Tony Meoli (or whateve rhis damn name was) and Dempsey isn't that charismatic

worth nothing that Mia Hamm and Brandi Chastain, in 2013, are still probably the "faces" of american soccer.  do you think anyone knows who Clint Dempsey is?  Jozy Altidore?  DaMarcus Beasley?


Beasley sucks.  he's a terrible example.
 
2013-03-27 03:44:13 PM

ScouserDuck: As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team.


Ohio has 8 FBS teams.
 
2013-03-27 03:45:15 PM

Lee's_Austin: In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Today, American Football absolutely doesn't need the help. It is by far our number one sport.


My point was that American Football has never needed the help. It's been shockingly popular since the 1890s.
 
2013-03-27 03:46:21 PM

ScouserDuck: This text is now purple: Lee's_Austin: I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

In the US, American football promotes itself. There are 12 college football stadiums larger than the largest pro stadium.

Hell, there's only one stadium in the world larger than what U-M, PSU, OSU, Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas pull down 7-8 times per season.

The Big 10 puts more butts in seats than the EPL does.

Because all of England is smaller than the state of AZ.. Imagine if Ohio had 100 college teams with 20 of them playing in NCAA div 1. If that was the case the shoe wouldn't be half the size it is now. As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team... Of course they can put butts in the seats.


I wonder what that toser would've argued about in the pre-Hillsborough days, when capacity was about who was playing that day.  IIRC a Merseyside derby would've easily packed 70,000+ into Goodison or Anfield.
 
2013-03-27 03:46:58 PM

This text is now purple: ScouserDuck: As it stands, the entire state of Ohio supports 1 team.

Ohio has 8 FBS teams.


6 who play in the shiatty non auto bid MAC, and 1 that plays in the soon to be shiatty America 12 or whatever the hell it's going to be called.
 
rka
2013-03-27 03:47:29 PM

Lee's_Austin: Could be one of the reasons why the sport was, essentially, dead here until '94.  Really for no good reason other than it stood out to me when I watched the documentary.


I think that is putting the cart before the horse.

A television network would air German skeet shooting if it repeatedly brought in viewers. "Buy American" really isn't in their DNA.

None of the big sports had great TV contracts back in the 70's. It was pre-cable. It was pre-ESPN. It was pre-Magic/Larry NBA time. The NFL had to cajole ABC, the network with the lowest ratings at the time, to take on Monday Night Football after the other stations turned Rozelle down. Baseball was the biggest. Hockey was hockey.

I don't think pro Soccer failed in the 70's because of TV. It failed because it was fundamentally a poorly run enterprise. Over-expansion, poor business practices, greedy owners looking to cash in quick.
 
2013-03-27 03:48:44 PM

eagles95: Raging Whore Moans: literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

[cdn3.mocksession.com image 850x478]

SEATTLE! SOUNDERS!


/suck it Timbers
//you too Whitecaps


Heh, Seattle's the one place where I could truly call the atmosphere "intimidating" even by European standards.
 
2013-03-27 03:49:41 PM

Rwa2play: rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).

yeah, and NASL is just destorying it these days, isn't it?

Ya missed my point.  if you have players that become cross-cultural icons (like a LeBron), you will see the people come.  I still remember the articles coming out of the British tabloids declaring a World Cup in the US a disaster before the first ball was kicked; that were would be no interest whatsoever from the general public.

If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.  That, however, would take a lot of cash on the owners end to do that; at this point they have no interest in MLS becoming NASL 2.0.


The other important part is that there are already sports that are huge here.  It's not like people are milling around waiting for a sport to root for.  People are already diehard football, nascar, baseball, etc fans.  They can't be bothered watching other sports like that.  So soccer is growing, but slowly since the base of available players (choosing which sport they want to continue playing) is less than the big teams.  The other big problem is the people who claim that they 'don't get' soccer.  They haven't been immersed in it like they were with football and baseball growing up.  I've seen ex football players criticize soccer for years, then their kids start playing travel/ odp and such and it's amazing how much they want to talk.  They want me to explain what is happening with plays, come watch/train their kids.  It blows my mind how into it they get when they actually understand what is going on.
 
2013-03-27 03:54:55 PM
Ties? We got them.
 
2013-03-27 03:55:03 PM

rka: Lee's_Austin: Could be one of the reasons why the sport was, essentially, dead here until '94.  Really for no good reason other than it stood out to me when I watched the documentary.

I think that is putting the cart before the horse.

A television network would air German skeet shooting if it repeatedly brought in viewers. "Buy American" really isn't in their DNA.

None of the big sports had great TV contracts back in the 70's. It was pre-cable. It was pre-ESPN. It was pre-Magic/Larry NBA time. The NFL had to cajole ABC, the network with the lowest ratings at the time, to take on Monday Night Football after the other stations turned Rozelle down. Baseball was the biggest. Hockey was hockey.

I don't think pro Soccer failed in the 70's because of TV. It failed because it was fundamentally a poorly run enterprise. Over-expansion, poor business practices, greedy owners looking to cash in quick.


I guess I'm in the boat where it was all of this.  With the NASL dying due to what you said and the retirement of Pele, why would the network want to keep it when they can promote the domestic brand?  Makes business sense.  It was just really interesting to me, is all, how all of this really did kill the sport here until '94.
 
2013-03-27 03:57:58 PM

The Southern Dandy: Raging Whore Moans: literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

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Except soccer already has the largest audience of any sport in the world, so why would they want to change the rules?


2011 Revenue for US sports
NFL: $11.0 billion
MLB: $7.0 billion
NBA: $4.3 billion
NHL: $3.3 billion
MLS: $0.3 billion
Source

If MLS caught up to hockey in the US, it would mean an additional $3 billion in revenue per year, 11 times the current amount. If team/league owners thought they could do that, they'd forget about any international standards in an instant.
 
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