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2013-03-27 12:06:29 PM  

fo_sho!: MLS is never going to compete with the big 4 (at least for an eon) but the World Cup has gone from a non event to a big draw:


i love telling this story in soccer threads....in the infamous Koman Coulibaly game, in the WC fark thread, maybe at most 3-4 minutes after the goal was waived off, someone posted a screencap of the Wiki for Mali.  it had already been altered to something like:

"mali is a shiatty country in africa.  its GDP was $150M.  its chief exports are tin, manganese, vanadium, and shiatty soccer referees.  it is well known for its hatred of the US  and men's soccer. Mali fails at life and should just farking die already."
 
2013-03-27 12:07:04 PM  

dk47: 99.9% of the time that is a penalty in any league.


I'm sayin'.
 
2013-03-27 12:08:55 PM  
A game with a 0-0 tie... that sounds about as entertaining as watching paint dry.
 
2013-03-27 12:09:35 PM  
Someone help me remember: is it that Chich has never scored against the US or just in WCQ?

/Google-fu is weak.
 
2013-03-27 12:11:15 PM  

dk47: rickythepenguin: Kuta: (I disagree that there should have been a PK awarded).

i thought that was academic;  dude got scissored from behind and the ball seemed an afterthought.  i'd have to see a replay but in-game, i thought that should have been called and on those replays, it seemed like a foul.  i'd have to see it now to revisit that but i thought that was a foul.   i could understand why the Mexicans were in the refs' faces afterwards.

99.9% of the time that is a penalty in any league.


No it's not.  Drunken fans don't just get to award penalties after the fact.  It is clear that there was no penalty.
 
2013-03-27 12:13:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: yeah, and NASL is just destorying it these days, isn't it?


The mighty San Antonio Scorpions will once again march on a road of bones.
 
2013-03-27 12:13:28 PM  

bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.


guzan was incredible.  did anyone watch the sports center immediately following the broadcast?

  our broadcasting standards need to improve as much as our game. also, alexi lalas is a real dick sometimes. very little chem between the broadcasters, makes it awkward.  and the highlight segment was embarrassing to watch. looked like four guys with no interest in the game trying to blunder their way through the piece as quickly as possible to get to the gahd damn penguins 13th win.
 
2013-03-27 12:14:10 PM  

rickythepenguin: fo_sho!: MLS is never going to compete with the big 4 (at least for an eon) but the World Cup has gone from a non event to a big draw:

i love telling this story in soccer threads....in the infamous Koman Coulibaly game, in the WC fark thread, maybe at most 3-4 minutes after the goal was waived off, someone posted a screencap of the Wiki for Mali.  it had already been altered to something like:

"mali is a shiatty country in africa.  its GDP was $150M.  its chief exports are tin, manganese, vanadium, and shiatty soccer referees.  it is well known for its hatred of the US  and men's soccer. Mali fails at life and should just farking die already."


Farking idiots disrespecting Wikipedia and Mali.  All the mouth-breathing fans are just terrible.  Who would wish death on a nation over a game.
 
2013-03-27 12:14:20 PM  

Lee's_Austin: Someone help me remember: is it that Chich has never scored against the US or just in WCQ?

/Google-fu is weak.


He hasn't scored against US at all. That 5-0 Gold Cup was all Dos Santos.
 
2013-03-27 12:14:35 PM  

Oldiron_79: A game with a 0-0 tie... that sounds about as entertaining as watching paint dry.


The key is, don't look at the goals themselves. Look at the scoring drives. The anticipation of a potential goal is what gets soccer fans going, same as what happens when a football team gets into the red zone. The goal doesn't have to actually come. If teams are bearing down, taking shots, and making the goalkeepers sweat all day long, that's enough.
 
2013-03-27 12:16:53 PM  

Trocadero: Lee's_Austin: Someone help me remember: is it that Chich has never scored against the US or just in WCQ?

/Google-fu is weak.

He hasn't scored against US at all. That 5-0 Gold Cup was all Dos Santos.


Thank you, sir.  Kinda wild.
 
2013-03-27 12:16:58 PM  
jagarr:   did anyone watch the sports center immediately following the broadcast?

Sportscenter lead with soccer and hockey highlights. I had to make sure I didn't fall in some worm hole to another dimension.
 
2013-03-27 12:17:05 PM  

rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).

yeah, and NASL is just destorying it these days, isn't it?


Ya missed my point.  if you have players that become cross-cultural icons (like a LeBron), you will see the people come.  I still remember the articles coming out of the British tabloids declaring a World Cup in the US a disaster before the first ball was kicked; that were would be no interest whatsoever from the general public.

If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.  That, however, would take a lot of cash on the owners end to do that; at this point they have no interest in MLS becoming NASL 2.0.
 
2013-03-27 12:18:31 PM  

Gosling: Oldiron_79: A game with a 0-0 tie... that sounds about as entertaining as watching paint dry.

The key is, don't look at the goals themselves. Look at the scoring drives. The anticipation of a potential goal is what gets soccer fans going, same as what happens when a football team gets into the red zone. The goal doesn't have to actually come. If teams are bearing down, taking shots, and making the goalkeepers sweat all day long, that's enough.


I'm guessing he's trolling.
 
2013-03-27 12:22:07 PM  

Rwa2play: dk47: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: SilentStrider: I was impressed.

I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.

Pretty much this.  They should have lost.  Chicharito best soccer player name ever.

You misspelled "Messi".


"Maradona good, Pele better, George Best."  Best name ever.
 
2013-03-27 12:23:32 PM  
www.primermagazine.com

*shrug*
 
2013-03-27 12:23:38 PM  
So which team caught the golden snitch.
 
2013-03-27 12:24:12 PM  
I actually watched parts of this in the bar last night (no March Madness on). Here are some revelations I had:

1) No one knew how long the game lasted. We all assumed 60 minutes, and we were wrong.
2) No competition should ever end in 0-0. At least a tie-score or single elimination or something.
3) Soccer players flop more then NBA players, which is disgusting.
4) Even in a shiatty sport like soccer, it's fun to chant U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
 
2013-03-27 12:25:31 PM  
Mostly unrelated but farking Montenegro...
 
2013-03-27 12:25:41 PM  

Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially. That, however, would take a lot of cash on the owners end to do that; at this point they have no interest in MLS becoming NASL 2.0.


MLS' ultimate goal is to have those players be homegrown. Importing stars only gets you so far. Again, yeah, NASL. Look at all the teams that WEREN'T the Cosmos. Any team that didn't have Pele on it was doomed. Johan Cruyff and George Best were over on the LA Aztecs and couldn't get over 14,000.
 
2013-03-27 12:26:39 PM  

Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.


washed up Thierry Henry, over the hill Beckham, old ass Roy Keane......no one cares.  i agree that if the marquee talent came here it would generate interest but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

You're basically arguing, "basketball in Turkey would explode if Kevin Durant / Blake Griffin / Chris Paul would play there!"
 
2013-03-27 12:28:00 PM  

literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


Except FIFA isn't going to change the rules of the game just to appeal to US non-soccer fans.  It's already the most popular/followed sport in the world, and the US audience for it is already big - just not as big as those for the traditional American sports.  Also, in the early days of MLS they tried fiddling with the rules to make the game more "American" for non-fans.  Things like the game clock counting down instead of up, all tie games going to penalty shootouts to prevent draws, etc.  All it did was alienate the existing soccer fanbase while failing to draw in new fans.  In the end, they did away with all of that and went to the standard laws of the game.
 
2013-03-27 12:28:38 PM  

VvonderJesus: jagarr:   did anyone watch the sports center immediately following the broadcast?

Sportscenter lead with soccer and hockey highlights. I had to make sure I didn't fall in some worm hole to another dimension.


Maybe they're finally figuring out that showing every NBA dunk every night isn't getting viewers?
 
2013-03-27 12:33:12 PM  
soccer is gay

/am I trolling right
 
2013-03-27 12:33:34 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: I actually watched parts of this in the bar last night (no March Madness on). Here are some revelations I had:

1) No one knew how long the game lasted. We all assumed 60 minutes, and we were wrong.


A typical soccer broadcast lasts for about 2 hours with its 90 minute duration. A typical NBA/NFL/NHL broadcast lasts for about 3 hours with their 48/60/60 minute duration. So despite a longer clock, soccer takes less time to watch . And I'm a fan of all those leagues (NBA is definitely last on the totem pole)

2) No competition should ever end in 0-0. At least a tie-score or single elimination or something.

Eh. Not going to argue this. Ties happen in soccer. And the competition hasn't ended yet, as it's still just qualifying for the real competition in Brazil next summer.

3) Soccer players flop more then NBA players, which is disgusting.

This. It's more prevalent in Latin American countries, but Spain and especially Italy drive me crazy with the flopping. I'd say England and the USA do it less than most national teams,but it is still too much. I'd like retroactive yellow cards for simulation/diving but well, FIFA is awful slow to embrace common sense.

4) Even in a shiatty sport like soccer, it's fun to chant U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

No sport is shiatty with the right crowd and mindset. Not even golf, baseball or cricket, all of which i find dull to watch by myself, but as a group (or with a few casual bets on the outcome) can be a blast.
 
2013-03-27 12:35:15 PM  

Begoggle: soccer is gay

/am I trolling right


All sports are inherently homo-erotic with the exception of nude Greco-Roman wrestling.

/Am I?
 
2013-03-27 12:35:52 PM  

Gosling: Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially. That, however, would take a lot of cash on the owners end to do that; at this point they have no interest in MLS becoming NASL 2.0.

MLS' ultimate goal is to have those players be homegrown. Importing stars only gets you so far. Again, yeah, NASL. Look at all the teams that WEREN'T the Cosmos. Any team that didn't have Pele on it was doomed. Johan Cruyff and George Best were over on the LA Aztecs and couldn't get over 14,000.


Too true; then again, there hadn't been a World Cup in the US beforehand.  That World Cup did show that interest in the game was great, just not in a way that a domestic league would flourish with regular attendances that compared favorably with those in England or Germany.

rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.

washed up Thierry Henry, over the hill Beckham, old ass Roy Keane......no one cares.  i agree that if the marquee talent came here it would generate interest but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

You're basically arguing, "basketball in Turkey would explode if Kevin Durant / Blake Griffin / Chris Paul would play there!"


Marketing firms.  Where they as influential on culture in the 1970s as they are now?  I mean when you've got half-ass players like Manti Te'o generating interest in one sport, what would happen if you had Messi, Christiano Ronaldo or Rooney playing in certain markets?
 
2013-03-27 12:38:15 PM  

rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.

washed up Thierry Henry, over the hill Beckham, old ass Roy Keane......no one cares.  i agree that if the marquee talent came here it would generate interest but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

You're basically arguing, "basketball in Turkey would explode if Kevin Durant / Blake Griffin / Chris Paul would play there!"


It's moving in the right direction, though. Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.

Progress is slow, but it's happening. MLS has 2 teams in the CONCACAF Quarterfinals and all 14 member of the team that played Mexico last night are currently playing in, or have played in, MLS.
 
2013-03-27 12:42:48 PM  

seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: If the biggest stars in the game came to play here the attendances would skyrocket; interest in the MLS would grow exponentially.

washed up Thierry Henry, over the hill Beckham, old ass Roy Keane......no one cares.  i agree that if the marquee talent came here it would generate interest but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

You're basically arguing, "basketball in Turkey would explode if Kevin Durant / Blake Griffin / Chris Paul would play there!"

It's moving in the right direction, though. Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.

Progress is slow, but it's happening. MLS has 2 teams in the CONCACAF Quarterfinals and all 14 member of the team that played Mexico last night are currently playing in, or have played in, MLS.


This; I honestly thought that MLS wouldn't last long enough to really get a decent foothold.
 
2013-03-27 12:43:04 PM  
USA defeats Mexico 0-0

Not bad work, if you can get it.
 
2013-03-27 12:45:04 PM  

rickythepenguin: but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?


Truthfully, they wouldn't have to. The MLS, while admittedly I still only follow it casually, has gotten demonstrably better because the overall talent pool is increasing. Just making marginal increases in scouting and player development and siphoning a few "average" players from bigger leagues overseas who weren't getting much playing time otherwise makes a better and more consistent product on the field.
 
2013-03-27 12:48:03 PM  

Killer Cars: rickythepenguin: but on what possible basis do you believe Messi / Rooney / van Persie / GARETH MOTHERfarkING BALE would come to, you know, Columbus Crew, FC Dallas, Salt Lake?

Truthfully, they wouldn't have to. The MLS, while admittedly I still only follow it casually, has gotten demonstrably better because the overall talent pool is increasing. Just making marginal increases in scouting and player development and siphoning a few "average" players from bigger leagues overseas who weren't getting much playing time otherwise makes a better and more consistent product on the field.


Not to mention, it's the growing period that all leagues have to go through in a global market like soccer has. It goes against our 'murican psyche to accept being 2nd or 3rd or 40th best at something, but with so many well-established leagues with 100 years of history under their belts, our progress is going to have to be slow and steady if it's to be sustained.
 
2013-03-27 12:48:56 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: That was the biggest ass kicking by an American in Mexico since Winfield Scott




fiftieswesterns.files.wordpress.com

RANDOLPH SCOTT?


\takes hat off
 
2013-03-27 12:53:03 PM  
Rwa2play: Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).

It wouldn't happen overnight, I expected that.  You need a charismatic player to be the symbol of the National Team and/or (in a repeat of the NASL) top players coming here to play.  The MLS is doing okay for all intents and purposes; but if major stars (like your Messis, et. al.) ever came over in the primes of their careers, you could see that shift happening.


Football in the US is growing just fine - as long as the financials continue to support MLS growing from the groundroots, the sport will continue to grow in the US.  It's still a few years away from being able to offer competitive contracts to the better players in the world, but it continues to increase in attendance and financial revenues - what we NEED to see is some homegrown stars start to emerge.  I expected Landon Donovan and Dempsey and others to be the forefront of a wave of potential world class players, but I'm guessing that's slowly coming up as well.  The addition of folks like David Beckham from overseas is somewhat useful but only in showing that there is a growing market to which European players will be increasingly attracted as the money starts to come in line - along with better marketing capabilities. Messi won't be interested in that because he's already at the top.  Folks that aren't likely to nudge out the Messi's and Ronaldo's for the lion's share of endorsements might find US attractive as well.  It's a business.
 
2013-03-27 12:55:31 PM  

seumasokelly: Not to mention, it's the growing period that all leagues have to go through in a global market like soccer has. It goes against our 'murican psyche to accept being 2nd or 3rd or 40th best at something, but with so many well-established leagues with 100 years of history under their belts, our progress is going to have to be slow and steady if it's to be sustained.


Agreed. I guess my other point is that I don't think the MLS has to really "compete" with the major professional sports domestically in terms of overall viewership and whatever financial figures someone can come up with. There's plenty of very good "soccer countries" that have relatively sh*t domestic leagues in terms of both quality and overall financials. It seems like some people believe the success of the MLS will have a direct impact on US soccer overall; it will certainly have some effect, but it's not the end all, be all.
 
2013-03-27 12:56:00 PM  

ScouserDuck: Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that?


It was the other way around.
 
2013-03-27 01:01:47 PM  
I watched a documentary on the Cosmos yesterday before the match because I was in a soccer mood. What amazes me is that there was absolutely no soccer in the US basically between 1950 and the start of the NASL. No youth soccer to build domestic players, nothing. So when the NASL started all the domestic players were crap because there was no development system. So youth soccer got big in the late 70s and 80s and the US was finally growing kids in the game.

The had a picture from before a Cosmos game of a youth soccer team holding up the banner like you usually see, and on that team ended up being a player that would play for the US in the World Cup when they made it for the first time since 1950.

We havent had a long time to build development systems. At 30 years we have had the youth system and produced 3 generations of players. We are finally getting to the stage where Americans who grew up playing soccer and being successful at it are having kids that can go through the academies and who can turn into great players. These other countries have had development leagues for a hundred years or more. We are doing just fine for being a newcomer to the world soccer stage.

Now that the MLS is boosting their academies we are starting to see much more home grown talent playing for MLS clubs. There Crew signed a handful of homegrown players in the last 2 years and they are already having a big impact. That will only get better. Currently the MLS has representatives from teams spending 2 years in France living there and studying their development system to bring that back to the US.
 
2013-03-27 01:03:12 PM  

seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.



huh, i didn't know that.
 
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2013-03-27 01:05:29 PM  
Back in '02 I was working in the beautiful city of Vernon CA and stopped at McDonalds for a healthy meal. 1/2 way into my fries I look up and about 40 plus rabid dark skinned people dressed in green are whooping it up and hollering. Then some 5'2" swarthy looking guy comes out of some room somewhere and sets up a tv. My fellow diners started chanting "Mejico, Mejico, Mejico" as the technician fiddled with some knobs and controls and got the USA vs.Mexico soccer match on. I thought about leaving but decided that I had already invested $6 so I might as well stay. Place got a little rowdy, but USA managed to win 2 or 3 to nill, if I recall correctly. I remember when I went up for my diet coke refill the lady at the counter - who had been booing loudly practically every time USA touched the ball -  glared at me, and muttered some prime Spanish words under her breath. No doubt congratulatory.
 
2013-03-27 01:08:45 PM  

Bill the unknowing: Football in the US is growing just fine - as long as the financials continue to support MLS growing from the groundroots, the sport will continue to grow in the US. It's still a few years away from being able to offer competitive contracts to the better players in the world, but it continues to increase in attendance and financial revenues - what we NEED to see is some homegrown stars start to emerge. I expected Landon Donovan and Dempsey and others to be the forefront of a wave of potential world class players, but I'm guessing that's slowly coming up as well. The addition of folks like David Beckham from overseas is somewhat useful but only in showing that there is a growing market to which European players will be increasingly attracted as the money starts to come in line - along with better marketing capabilities. Messi won't be interested in that because he's already at the top. Folks that aren't likely to nudge out the Messi's and Ronaldo's for the lion's share of endorsements might find US attractive as well. It's a business.


What I'm getting from the international community is that MLS is seen as kind of this whole separate entity from the rest of the leagues, in a sense. We're not the top league and never will be, but the combination of disdain for ties, leaguewide parity (more than four teams capable of winning? The hell you say!) and rough physical play as a matter of course seems to have positioned us as kind of soccer's mosh pit. 'Hey, man, let's ditch this scene and I'll show you where the REAL party is.'

Am I getting that about right?
 
2013-03-27 01:12:21 PM  

LucklessWonder: Begoggle: soccer is gay

/am I trolling right

All sports are inherently homo-erotic with the exception of nude Greco-Roman wrestling.

/Am I?


Lemme guess greco-roman wrestling is only gay if you make eye contact.
 
2013-03-27 01:19:05 PM  

rickythepenguin: seumasokelly: Sounders FC just signed Obafemi Martins, a 28 y/o striker whom his team did not want to part ways with, from Levante in La Liga. So far as I know, he's the first player in the prime of his career to choose to come to MLS from a respected european league/team. Levante was in the midst of Europa League play and sits mid-table in La Liga and he was their leading scorer.


huh, i didn't know that.


It's not a big headliner like signing a well-known star would be, but it may signal that international players are beginning to view MLS in a more legitimate light. I'd suspect that for awhile these types of signings will be rare and probably only be pulled off by the bigger teams and those with more rabid fanbases (Seattle, LA, NY, Portland). I'd doubt many guys are going to be clamoring to join Columbus, even if they are in a frame of mind to entertain offers from MLS.
 
2013-03-27 01:20:57 PM  

Swoop1809: I watched a documentary on the Cosmos yesterday before the match because I was in a soccer mood. What amazes me is that there was absolutely no soccer in the US basically between 1950 and the start of the NASL. No youth soccer to build domestic players, nothing. So when the NASL started all the domestic players were crap because there was no development system. So youth soccer got big in the late 70s and 80s and the US was finally growing kids in the game.

The had a picture from before a Cosmos game of a youth soccer team holding up the banner like you usually see, and on that team ended up being a player that would play for the US in the World Cup when they made it for the first time since 1950.

We havent had a long time to build development systems. At 30 years we have had the youth system and produced 3 generations of players. We are finally getting to the stage where Americans who grew up playing soccer and being successful at it are having kids that can go through the academies and who can turn into great players. These other countries have had development leagues for a hundred years or more. We are doing just fine for being a newcomer to the world soccer stage.

Now that the MLS is boosting their academies we are starting to see much more home grown talent playing for MLS clubs. There Crew signed a handful of homegrown players in the last 2 years and they are already having a big impact. That will only get better. Currently the MLS has representatives from teams spending 2 years in France living there and studying their development system to bring that back to the US.


One of the bigger obstacles to US player development is the US collegiate system (which is better for the players that don't make the big time i.e. 99% of them) vs the European academy system (which trains younger players at the expense of a university education).

Whereas a good player in Europe will sign on to the schoolboy teams for a big club at the age of 12 - possibly younger -  in the US the path to professional sports means playing high school, then collegiate level. Far better if you are a good player that realistically will never play in the world cup but a long way from the Ajax academy where players start at the age of 7 or 8.
 
2013-03-27 01:22:59 PM  

fo_sho!: Far better if you are a good player that realistically will never play in the world cup but a long way from the Ajax academy where players start at the age of 7 or 8.


Barcelona starts you off at 6.
 
2013-03-27 01:23:05 PM  

Swoop1809: I watched a documentary on the Cosmos yesterday before the match because I was in a soccer mood. What amazes me is that there was absolutely no soccer in the US basically between 1950 and the start of the NASL. No youth soccer to build domestic players, nothing. So when the NASL started all the domestic players were crap because there was no development system. So youth soccer got big in the late 70s and 80s and the US was finally growing kids in the game.

The had a picture from before a Cosmos game of a youth soccer team holding up the banner like you usually see, and on that team ended up being a player that would play for the US in the World Cup when they made it for the first time since 1950.

We havent had a long time to build development systems. At 30 years we have had the youth system and produced 3 generations of players. We are finally getting to the stage where Americans who grew up playing soccer and being successful at it are having kids that can go through the academies and who can turn into great players. These other countries have had development leagues for a hundred years or more. We are doing just fine for being a newcomer to the world soccer stage.

Now that the MLS is boosting their academies we are starting to see much more home grown talent playing for MLS clubs. There Crew signed a handful of homegrown players in the last 2 years and they are already having a big impact. That will only get better. Currently the MLS has representatives from teams spending 2 years in France living there and studying their development system to bring that back to the US.


I have to go back and rewatch, but if memory serves it was the networks that killed soccer here in the US in favor of promoting the domestic American Football as it was truly American.

/Great flick!
 
2013-03-27 01:29:20 PM  

Gosling: Barcelona starts you off at 6.



please tell me they call them "Younglings" and speak of The One who will restore balance to La Liga.  His goalichlorian count is higher than even Master Lionel.
 
2013-03-27 01:31:09 PM  

Gosling: fo_sho!: Far better if you are a good player that realistically will never play in the world cup but a long way from the Ajax academy where players start at the age of 7 or 8.

Barcelona starts you off at 6.


And you live there and go to school there. In the US, MLS teams have "academies" but they're more like infrequent camps and some games vs. other team's "academies". Barcelona has built a powerhouse from the ground up in all sports.
 
2013-03-27 01:31:52 PM  

rickythepenguin: Gosling: Barcelona starts you off at 6.


please tell me they call them "Younglings" and speak of The One who will restore balance to La Liga.  His goalichlorian count is higher than even Master Lionel.


Barcelona has no interest in restoring balance to La Liga.
 
2013-03-27 01:39:31 PM  

Oldiron_79: LucklessWonder: Begoggle: soccer is gay

/am I trolling right

All sports are inherently homo-erotic with the exception of nude Greco-Roman wrestling.

/Am I?

Lemme guess greco-roman wrestling is only gay if you make eye contact.


No, it's only gay if balls are touching.
 
2013-03-27 01:40:36 PM  

seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: Gosling: Barcelona starts you off at 6.


please tell me they call them "Younglings" and speak of The One who will restore balance to La Liga.  His goalichlorian count is higher than even Master Lionel.

Barcelona has no interest in restoring balance to La Liga.


Always two, there are. But which is the master and which is the apprentice?
 
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