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2013-03-27 11:10:09 AM

Gonz: Wicked Chinchilla: Why is that?
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding. Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.

Because if you're an undersized small forward, your basketball skills translate very easily to the soccer pitch as a GK.

That's my theory, anyway.


You could make a strong argument that GK is a mixture of basketball forward, football receiver, and baseball shortstop.
 
2013-03-27 11:11:08 AM
CONCACAF maybe should have two qualification places, but not three. That said, it was a decent result considering the objectives.
 
2013-03-27 11:13:08 AM

MBooda: Hang On Voltaire: That was the biggest ass kicking by an American in Mexico since Winfield Scott

El Bozo?

2.bp.blogspot.com

"Hoy Don Francisco tiene 100 años. Entre sus aficiones están lanzando orina y fes en América futbolistas. Pasa sus días jugando con las putas rojas y sus tetas musicales."
 
2013-03-27 11:15:18 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: SilentStrider: I was impressed.

I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.


pretty much this
but i'll take it, cause like you said, we rarely get calls our way

scoreboard

/is it ironic to use that phrase when 'he who uses it' hates soccer ?
 
2013-03-27 11:18:45 AM

Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.


Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?
 
2013-03-27 11:20:55 AM

rickythepenguin: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca. It was a weird night. A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.

VvonderJesus: The U.S. is lucky to have stolen a point, and the referee is luckier that he made it out alive.


absolutely!  that no-call on the takedown from behind (what, 75th minute thereabouts?) with mexico knocking on the door?  yeeeeeeesh.

we'll take it but yeah, USA got lucky.  like that long shot off the crossbar, too (although the USA keeper didn't appear to make much of an effort on the ball).


It didnt hit the cross bar, it hit the stabilizers holding the net up behind the goal. He didnt make an attempt because he knew it was clear over.
 
2013-03-27 11:21:03 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: MBooda: Hang On Voltaire: That was the biggest ass kicking by an American in Mexico since Winfield Scott

El Bozo?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 238x320]

"Hoy Don Francisco tiene 100 años. Entre sus aficiones están lanzando orina y fes en América futbolistas. Pasa sus días jugando con las putas rojas y sus tetas musicales."


Feliz Compleanos Don Francisco
 
2013-03-27 11:21:14 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: kidgenius: So is the laser pointer thing just an Azteca thing that they do to the Americans? Is it done to all visitors? Do other stadia across the world have this issue?

Quienes mas macho. It takes real cojones to put someone's eyes out from the nosebleed section. At least this time they didn't throw bottles of shiat and urine at US players.


It happens a lot in Europe too. Almost every Spanish league game I've seen this year has the green laser on someone's face. I don't see it much in the EPL but it happens there too.

I wish they would find the culprits and really fark em up.

The US should have easily taken this match. They are a good team, much better than Mexico's.
 
2013-03-27 11:23:53 AM

Lost Thought 00: Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?


You can take all of the Eastern European racists and Thugs and you still wouldn't have fans as bad as raider fans.

Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that? Maybe it's just California. California is the Eastern Europe of the US.
 
2013-03-27 11:26:52 AM

ScouserDuck: It didnt hit the cross bar, it hit the stabilizers holding the net up behind the goal. He didnt make an attempt because he knew it was clear over.


oh my bad.

yeah, i guess why that explains why GK was so casual.

there was also a play where the ball was wide but one of the announcers was like "YES!! oh nevermind..."  i thought Harry Caray was in the booth for a second.
 
2013-03-27 11:27:38 AM

ScouserDuck: Lost Thought 00: Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?

You can take all of the Eastern European racists and Thugs and you still wouldn't have fans as bad as raider fans.

Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that? Maybe it's just California. California is the Eastern Europe of the US.


Also applies to  RedRaiders fans. Tx Tech has the worst fans in college football.
 
2013-03-27 11:29:05 AM

rickythepenguin: ScouserDuck: It didnt hit the cross bar, it hit the stabilizers holding the net up behind the goal. He didnt make an attempt because he knew it was clear over.

oh my bad.

yeah, i guess why that explains why GK was so casual.

there was also a play where the ball was wide but one of the announcers was like "YES!! oh nevermind..."  i thought Harry Caray was in the booth for a second.


Yeah. There were a couple of shots that were inches wide but looked like they were in the net. I'm taking the couch cushions in to get dry cleaned today.
 
2013-03-27 11:29:19 AM

OtherLittleGuy: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 580x857]


Great movie.
 
2013-03-27 11:32:15 AM

Nana's Vibrator: TheShavingofOccam123: Nana's Vibrator: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!

In their defense, it's hard to have the ball for 5 seconds when the other team is faking an injury, the whistle blows, and 4 or 5 guys surround the ref for 2 minutes.

Wait. That was an NBA game I was watching?

Pretty much.  In the eyes of an American sports fan,  soccer can be the worst of the worlds of our major sports.  You have the contact whistles and flopping and referee complaining of basketball, you have the low scoring of hockey, and the slow pace of baseball.
I like soccer when the game is respected and played right - as goes with any other sport.


Calm down fellow hockey fans, he's right. We're down to 2.69 goals per game, and we haven't had two consecutive seasons above 3 GPG since 1993.

High scoring in basketball takes some of the punch out of the game too, though. A 119-118 win in a game where someone scores every thirty seconds sounds more like a coin toss or unfortunate positioning in a game of inky-pinky-ponky than a clear result of some competitive event.
 
2013-03-27 11:32:36 AM

ScouserDuck: Lost Thought 00: Gonz: I will never ever ever ever complain about coming out of Azteca with a point.

I'm so glad that game's over. Every time the USMNT goes to Mexico City, the fans there get me to become situationally racist. Laser pointers? Really? I guess it's marginally better than excrement.

Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world. It's not a Mexican-specific thing. Hell, didn't the turks try to burn down their own stadium during a match using road flares?

You can take all of the Eastern European racists and Thugs and you still wouldn't have fans as bad as raider fans.

Wasn't there also a horrid beating at a baseball game...giants fans pummeling a dodger fan..or something like that? Maybe it's just California. California is the Eastern Europe of the US.


I quit watching Whacked Out Sports on broadcast TV when they showed a fan being knifed at a Raiders game.

You would think a nice set of misters would show the laser beams coming out of the stands and running right back up to the shooter.
 
2013-03-27 11:32:37 AM
Soccer is like golf - fun to play but horribly boring to watch.
 
2013-03-27 11:34:17 AM

Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey


Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.
 
2013-03-27 11:34:38 AM

Flakeloaf: Nana's Vibrator: TheShavingofOccam123: Nana's Vibrator: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Wow, we were lucky that the Mexicans didn't pot 2, 3 easy goals, and we never had the ball for more than 5 seconds at a time.  USA USA!

In their defense, it's hard to have the ball for 5 seconds when the other team is faking an injury, the whistle blows, and 4 or 5 guys surround the ref for 2 minutes.

Wait. That was an NBA game I was watching?

Pretty much.  In the eyes of an American sports fan,  soccer can be the worst of the worlds of our major sports.  You have the contact whistles and flopping and referee complaining of basketball, you have the low scoring of hockey, and the slow pace of baseball.
I like soccer when the game is respected and played right - as goes with any other sport.

Calm down fellow hockey fans, he's right. We're down to 2.69 goals per game, and we haven't had two consecutive seasons above 3 GPG since 1993.

High scoring in basketball takes some of the punch out of the game too, though. A 119-118 win in a game where someone scores every thirty seconds sounds more like a coin toss or unfortunate positioning in a game of inky-pinky-ponky than a clear result of some competitive event.


You're absolutely right. I generally will only watch the last 5 minutes of a bball game. That alone usually takes 30 min. due to fouls and time outs.
 
2013-03-27 11:36:01 AM

Lee's_Austin: A defensive performance for the ages.  Well done, Besler and Gonzalez.


This...wouldn't be surprised if some lesser clubs in Europe come calling for Gonzalez in the near future.
 
2013-03-27 11:36:31 AM

Lego_Addict: It happens a lot in Europe too. Almost every Spanish league game I've seen this year has the green laser on someone's face. I don't see it much in the EPL but it happens there too.

I wish they would find the culprits and really fark em up.


Yeah, the green lasers are really appalling. I don't care if someone's rooting for my team or not - that shiat is unacceptable and makes your team/fanbase/country look bad.
I don't doubt that stadium authorities in many places are on the side of the assholes who use the pointers, though (or sufficiently cowed to not make a difference).  Sad.
 
2013-03-27 11:38:09 AM
And we will be waiting for Mexico here in Columbus in September to take a full 3 points from them./we don't always beat Mexico,but when we do it is 2-0 in Columbus
 
2013-03-27 11:38:20 AM

bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.

It's really unsettling they only had one legit shot last night. That kind of offensive performance will barely contend with CONCACAF's shiattiest teams; they're toast if that's what they can put up against the Spains and Germanys of the world.


They just couldn't keep the ball last night.  They either tried Hollywood passes or got pressured off the ball.

/a Swansea would've passed them off the park
//while Arsenal would've tried to pass it in...
///old joke is old
 
2013-03-27 11:39:22 AM

Rwa2play: bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.

It's really unsettling they only had one legit shot last night. That kind of offensive performance will barely contend with CONCACAF's shiattiest teams; they're toast if that's what they can put up against the Spains and Germanys of the world.

They just couldn't keep the ball last night.  They either tried Hollywood passes or got pressured off the ball.

/a Swansea would've passed them off the park
//while Arsenal would've tried to pass it in...
///old joke is old


Walk it in....
 
2013-03-27 11:39:36 AM

literaldeluxe: Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


i grew up playing soccer and still like having a kick at the park.  i don't think soccer will ever "catch" in the US and I don't give a shiat.  there are a ton of fans that love the game and a majority of haters, but fark them.  we love the game and don't want to see it changed.  people hav ementioned enlarging the goal, eliminating offside (the most common recommendations) but soccer's governing body would never, ever agree to that and they shouldn't.  those that care about the game are raving about the 0-0 finish (and what it means for WC quals, better get your ass in gear, Mexico).  those that hate, who cares.  I don't really care for hockey but i'm not running around every hockey thread screaming about how gay it is.

but don't change the game.

/ok, change the game to add a ref in each half of the field.  the ball can go from penalty box to penalty box  in 5 seconds.  the ref just cannot see all the stuff going on and a second pair of eyes on the field (the lineman response is unsatisfactory) would help.  but yeah, that willl never happen either so WFC.
 
2013-03-27 11:40:10 AM

Rwa2play: bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.

It's really unsettling they only had one legit shot last night. That kind of offensive performance will barely contend with CONCACAF's shiattiest teams; they're toast if that's what they can put up against the Spains and Germanys of the world.

They just couldn't keep the ball last night.  They either tried Hollywood passes or got pressured off the ball.

/a Swansea would've passed them off the park
//while Arsenal would've tried to pass it in...
///old joke is old


Bradley played his ass off.  To no avail.
 
2013-03-27 11:40:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: Soccer fans in general are the worst sports fans in the world.


Let me guess, you're one of those so called "fair weather sport fans" that don't believe in supporting your team and encouraging them to end a losing streak with some well intended murder, kidnapping and/or blackmailing.  Your lack of passion sickens me.
 
2013-03-27 11:41:21 AM

This text is now purple: The Third Man: MugzyBrown: We'll never be a real soccer team until we're no longer pleased by these sorts of games.

Nah, not buying that.  The worst of the hexagonal schedule is behind the USMNT.  A win would have been nice, but it wasn't necessary.

In CONCACAF, the US should seriously schedule every game for someplace with snow in the forecast. Denver was perfect for a warm-weather, sea-level opponent like Costa Rica. Like the altitude at Azteca, it's our strongest homefield advantage. We should only ever play Mexico in Seattle or Portland, or failing that, Phoenix. But only after arresting the families of Mexico's players for being illegals.

As for being pleased, only 8 countries have ever won at Azteca (the US is one of them), and only Brazil and Peru have done it twice.



We're only two or three hundred feet above sea level in Portland. I mean, it does rain a ton but the temperature is pretty temperate. Not exactly hostile territory for a team from El Carib up here.
 
2013-03-27 11:41:54 AM

Rwa2play: They just couldn't keep the ball last night. They either tried Hollywood passes or got pressured off the ball.


it was sloppy as shiat on both sides.  dreadful first touches.  the ball was clanking about all damn night.  very sloppy passes and ball control was just bad.  not surprised at all at the lack of legit chances.
 
2013-03-27 11:42:35 AM

rickythepenguin: literaldeluxe: Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

i grew up playing soccer and still like having a kick at the park.  i don't think soccer will ever "catch" in the US and I don't give a shiat.  there are a ton of fans that love the game and a majority of haters, but fark them.  we love the game and don't want to see it changed.  people hav ementioned enlarging the goal, eliminating offside (the most common recommendations) but soccer's governing body would never, ever agree to that and they shouldn't.  those that care about the game are raving about the 0-0 finish (and what it means for WC quals, better get your ass in gear, Mexico).  those that hate, who cares.  I don't really care for hockey but i'm not running around every hockey thread screaming about how gay it is.

but don't change the game.

/ok, change the game to add a ref in each half of the field.  the ball can go from penalty box to penalty box  in 5 seconds.  the ref just cannot see all the stuff going on and a second pair of eyes on the field (the lineman response is unsatisfactory) would help.  but yeah, that willl never happen either so WFC.


Agreed.
 
2013-03-27 11:45:43 AM

rickythepenguin: literaldeluxe: Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.

i grew up playing soccer and still like having a kick at the park.  i don't think soccer will ever "catch" in the US and I don't give a shiat.


Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).

It wouldn't happen overnight, I expected that.  You need a charismatic player to be the symbol of the National Team and/or (in a repeat of the NASL) top players coming here to play.  The MLS is doing okay for all intents and purposes; but if major stars (like your Messis, et. al.) ever came over in the primes of their careers, you could see that shift happening.
 
2013-03-27 11:46:12 AM
This can only lead to an ever increasing influx of illegals as their shame and disappointment in their own team will force them to flee and seek our large american lawn mowers.
 
2013-03-27 11:46:13 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: We should only ever play Mexico in Seattle or Portland, or failing that, Phoenix. But only after arresting the families of Mexico's players for being illegals.



i would love to see a qualifier in Phoenix!!!!  we had a really odd friendly a few years back, something like Egypt vs Cyrpus or Morocco v Trinidad Tobago or some shiat.  very odd teams that had to fly literally, halfway across the world.

and I think we had something like Sweden / Costa Rica pretty recently, but the game started at 830 on a Tuesday nigth and the stadium is a mother to get to on a "school night", and the matchup wasn't compelling so I didn't go.  ehh.
 
2013-03-27 11:47:26 AM

literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


We did that. We put in shootouts, made the clock count down, you know what happened?

The rest of the soccer world just stood there and mocked us without mercy until we changed the rules back to normal. America does not get to decide the rules of soccer. America does not even get to have any sort of real influence in the rules of soccer. (Literally. When rule changes are considered, there are eight votes out there and you need six. FIFA controls four. The other four belong to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, aka 'the people who actually invented the damn thing'.) We have not yet even earned the right to be taken seriously when it comes to rule changes. Perhaps if we were early adopters, it'd be different, but we're one of the last ones on board. They don't have to accommodate us. We have to accommodate them.

Basically, the United States ordering the rules of soccer be changed is like the Netherlands ordering that the rules of baseball be changed. Yeah, you've won a bit lately, but that doesn't give you the right to act like you own the place.
 
2013-03-27 11:47:42 AM
Wicked Chinchilla
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding. Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.


That's not really a curiosity.
Weaker teams often have decent goalies or at least they're perceived as such.
More work for the goalie = more opportunities to excel&save the day and fewer opportunities to make the single mistake that loses the game.
If your team is outplayed and there are 10 good attempts on your goal and you can save all but one, you still look awesome even if the one that goes in happens to be your fault. Even if you lose the game 0:1 that way, the general impression will be that with a different goalie the game would have ended 0:5.

If, OTOH, you can get in half an hour of sleep between 2-3 half-assed attempts on your goal in 90 minutes, you can only hope that you haven't gone cold and that you can make the save and don't make a mistake. Because if you f*ck up, you might not get another opportunity to show your skills. See Germany's Manuel Neuer yesterday as an example.
 
2013-03-27 11:47:57 AM

rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: They just couldn't keep the ball last night. They either tried Hollywood passes or got pressured off the ball.

it was sloppy as shiat on both sides.  dreadful first touches.  the ball was clanking about all damn night.  very sloppy passes and ball control was just bad.  not surprised at all at the lack of legit chances.


True; still think it was a case of trying the Hollywood pass for the US when they just need to play within themselves.  Mexico should've killed them in the first half but they ran out of ideas as the game wore on.
 
2013-03-27 11:49:23 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: SilentStrider: I was impressed.

I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.


Pretty much this.  They should have lost.  Chicharito best soccer player name ever.
 
2013-03-27 11:50:01 AM
So watching the game I was surprised the way there were no Mexican fans in the first 10 or so rows - wondering if it was to eliminate the projectile throwing.

Didn't see anything really land on the pitch. Just teh lazors.
 
2013-03-27 11:52:23 AM

dk47: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: SilentStrider: I was impressed.

I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.

Pretty much this.  They should have lost.  Chicharito best soccer player name ever.


You misspelled "Messi".
 
2013-03-27 11:52:42 AM

Rwa2play: Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).


yeah, and NASL is just destorying it these days, isn't it?


Rwa2play: ou need a charismatic player to be the symbol of the National Team and/or (in a repeat of the NASL) top players coming here to play. The MLS is doing okay for all intents and purposes; but if major stars (like your Messis, et. al.) ever came over in the primes of their careers, you could see that shift happening.


again, i'm a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge soccer fan.  i took off work to watch the Women's WC a few years ago.  But the "wouldn't it be great if we had a 'face' of the US WC team?" argument didn't work for Landon Donovan, Alexi Lalas, Tony Meoli (or whateve rhis damn name was) and Dempsey isn't that charismatic....you're making the same arguments people made in the 1994 WC:  "it will take a few years but it will happen."  twenty years later we're still awaiting this american savior of soccer.

it would be nice if it happens, i guess, but i don't care. i don't need soccer to blow the fark up in America.  It has its own niche and its own rabid motherfarking fanbase.  like in 2002, i went to bed at like, 5pm to wake up at 3AM to watch USA/Mexico live.  there's tons of fans like that and we don't care if the nation shuts down to watch our Super Bowl / NBA finals game 7 / MLB game 7.
 
2013-03-27 11:52:47 AM
The USMNT just played the hardest game remaining prior to the World Cup (assuming they don't end up in 4th place and have to play-in). Klinsmann did a great job putting people out of their comfort zones to see how they stand up to real pressure. The 0-0 result was hard fought and fair IMO (I disagree that there should have been a PK awarded).

The article doesn't go far enough. That was only the 5th point earned by the U.S. on Mexican soil in any stadium. EVER. It is a huge deal even though it may not seem like a lot to uneducated observers.
 
2013-03-27 11:53:34 AM
In related news, the Mexican coach has updated his will and said goodbye to his family in preparation for his upcoming murder.
 
2013-03-27 11:53:35 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: StRalphTheLiar: bearcats1983: I'm really loving Guzan after these last few games. I was nervous with Howard being out due to injury, but Guzan is an awesome alternative.


GK is the only position I have never worried about for the US.

Why is that?
As much as our national teams have truly suffered in international competition the general rule is that our Goal Keepers are outstanding.  Its a rather odd curiosity of US Soccer.


The position does not rely on actual soccer ability.
 
2013-03-27 11:55:00 AM

Rwa2play: Mexico should've killed them in the first half but they ran out of ideas as the game wore on.


and i thought the mexican players looked more winded as the game wore on.

why were they booing Bradley on every touch?  i missed the first 5-10 minutes.  did he have an ugly foul?
 
2013-03-27 11:55:42 AM

Rwa2play: dk47: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: SilentStrider: I was impressed.

I was impressed by Chicharito missing 2-3 shots he usually makes.  And by the US actually getting calls in Azteca.  It was a weird night.  A good point, but lots of stuff went our way that usually doesn't.

Pretty much this.  They should have lost.  Chicharito best soccer player name ever.

You misspelled "Messi".


You're both wrong.
 
2013-03-27 11:55:52 AM

literaldeluxe: Nana's Vibrator: low scoring of hockey

Both the NHL and NCAA have changed a number of hockey rules over the last several years with the specific intentions of increasing scoring and reducing the number of ties, in order to maintain or increase their audiences. Soccer may need similar changes to catch on in the US.


You probably haven't noticed, but soccer IS catching on in the US, however gradually.  We had a rather large contingent of fans in Mexico last night, MLS is doing quite well, and the game has never been more popular here.

No, it will not become a passion for the majority of Americans, but that doesn't mean they need to change the game.
 
2013-03-27 11:57:15 AM

Kuta: (I disagree that there should have been a PK awarded).


i thought that was academic;  dude got scissored from behind and the ball seemed an afterthought.  i'd have to see a replay but in-game, i thought that should have been called and on those replays, it seemed like a foul.  i'd have to see it now to revisit that but i thought that was a foul.   i could understand why the Mexicans were in the refs' faces afterwards.
 
2013-03-27 11:59:58 AM

rickythepenguin: But the "wouldn't it be great if we had a 'face' of the US WC team?" argument didn't work for Landon Donovan, Alexi Lalas, Tony Meoli (or whateve rhis damn name was) and Dempsey isn't that charismatic


worth nothing that Mia Hamm and Brandi Chastain, in 2013, are still probably the "faces" of american soccer.  do you think anyone knows who Clint Dempsey is?  Jozy Altidore?  DaMarcus Beasley?
 
2013-03-27 12:00:47 PM

rickythepenguin: Rwa2play: Uh, you're talking about a country where they sold out stadia when Pele played for the Cosmos and for the World Cup in 1994 (above and beyond everyone's expectations).

yeah, and NASL is just destorying it these days, isn't it?


Rwa2play: ou need a charismatic player to be the symbol of the National Team and/or (in a repeat of the NASL) top players coming here to play. The MLS is doing okay for all intents and purposes; but if major stars (like your Messis, et. al.) ever came over in the primes of their careers, you could see that shift happening.

again, i'm a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge soccer fan.  i took off work to watch the Women's WC a few years ago.  But the "wouldn't it be great if we had a 'face' of the US WC team?" argument didn't work for Landon Donovan, Alexi Lalas, Tony Meoli (or whateve rhis damn name was) and Dempsey isn't that charismatic....you're making the same arguments people made in the 1994 WC:  "it will take a few years but it will happen."  twenty years later we're still awaiting this american savior of soccer.

it would be nice if it happens, i guess, but i don't care. i don't need soccer to blow the fark up in America.  It has its own niche and its own rabid motherfarking fanbase.  like in 2002, i went to bed at like, 5pm to wake up at 3AM to watch USA/Mexico live.  there's tons of fans like that and we don't care if the nation shuts down to watch our Super Bowl / NBA finals game 7 / MLB game 7.


MLS is never going to compete with the big 4 (at least for an eon) but the World Cup has gone from a non event to a big draw:

"The game, viewed by 19.4 million viewers on ABC and Univision, topped the Italy vs. Brazil World Cup final in 1994 that was viewed by 18.1 million people on those two networks.

By contrast, Nielsen said, the 2010 NBA Finals averaged 18.1 million viewers per game, and the 2009 World Series averaged 19.1 million per game.

Of the 19.4 million who tuned in to ultimately see the U.S.' soccer dreams slip away last weekend, 4.5 million watched on Univision - which is on fire during this soccer tournament. Sunday's Argentina-Mexico match attracted 9.4 million viewers to Univision, making it the most-watched program on Spanish-language television in U.S. history, according to Univision."
 
2013-03-27 12:02:45 PM

rickythepenguin: Kuta: (I disagree that there should have been a PK awarded).

i thought that was academic;  dude got scissored from behind and the ball seemed an afterthought.  i'd have to see a replay but in-game, i thought that should have been called and on those replays, it seemed like a foul.  i'd have to see it now to revisit that but i thought that was a foul.   i could understand why the Mexicans were in the refs' faces afterwards.


99.9% of the time that is a penalty in any league.
 
2013-03-27 12:04:15 PM

The Voice of Doom: That's not really a curiosity.
Weaker teams often have decent goalies or at least they're perceived as such.


It's not just the men (Guzan, Howard, Friedel, Tony Meola, Zach Thornton, Kasey Keller, Marcus Hanhemann, Joe Cannon). Our women have standout goalies too and the women's team is among the elite (Briana Scurry, Hope Solo, Nicole Barnhart).
 
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