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2013-03-27 06:00:31 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

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And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.


Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?
 
2013-03-27 06:21:35 AM  

DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?


Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.
 
2013-03-27 06:57:47 AM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Nobody goes hungry in America. Christ this is a dumb talking point. Our poor are too fat for crying out loud.
 
2013-03-27 07:03:37 AM  

scalpod: DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?

Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.


What? People who grab food from the sidewalk shouldn't be expecting the same quality food as when it is bought in the store. Any sane person knows that, so why not have people make their own choices with accompanying responsilities?
 
2013-03-27 07:03:58 AM  

wildcardjack: She said the tenant, Il Ki Choi, of Sun and Food LLC, could have avoided the commotion if he had moved out when notified by the court.


Puts me in mind of this bit of history...

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I was thinking "To make room for a Wal-Mart" but there's one two miles away, other side of the river. I bet the reason she didn't coordinate better is that she was fighting the eviction for development.  There might actually be ground to fight that sort of eviction instead of nonpayment of rent.

/Never realized how small Augusta was until I had to Google Map it.


I'd just like to point out that having a Wal-Mart two miles away from a location doesn't necessarily mean that location won't be home to another Wal-Mart.
 
2013-03-27 07:16:12 AM  
Ah, southern Ohio. What a complete shiathole. Nothing but busted coal towns, meth heads, and dumbass crackers on welfare biatching about the "Evil Gubment."

/should have donated all goods/had firesale/whatever
 
2013-03-27 07:18:26 AM  
Income inequality isn't a big deal guys. Freedoms.
 
2013-03-27 07:40:39 AM  
The American Dream, circa 2013
 
2013-03-27 07:45:15 AM  

AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.


You have no idea what you're taking about.
 
2013-03-27 08:15:38 AM  

doglover: Amos Quito: doglover: rewind2846: Hence LAWSUITS. SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

I agree. Let's roll up all the lawyers in a big ball of twine and roll 'em into Canada and done with it.


Why do you hate Canada?

They know what they did.


It's the moose quarters, isn't it? Those Goddamn moose quarters that wind up in my change that the farking soda machine won't take and I can't spend anywhere.

I was in high school (in farking Florida) and got a moose quarter as change for lunch. The next day I tried paying with the damn thing, and the lunch lady wouldn't take it. I told her she's the farking one who gave it to me, and she said something like 'sorry 'bout yo bad luck, but I ain't taking no outta state (yes,' outta state') monies'. I was 20 cents short for a milkshake. Fark you and your moose, Canada.

/besides, moose bites can be nasti.
 
2013-03-27 08:28:36 AM  
Here's the problem under that particular situation. This also applies to "freegans" who get bruised bananas and slightly out of date canned food from grocery store garbage cans...

Liability. If someone were to be injured or made sick by the food that was destined to be thrown away, someone, somewhere could be held liable. In today's litigious society, no one is going to run that risk. No signing of a waiver is going to fix that either.

If the owner of the store had decided to donate all of the stock inside to local  food banks, problem would have been solved, because the food bank then takes the responsibility in case someone gets a bad can of pork and beans. Although in most states, food banks and the like are protected under good samaritan laws.

It is a shame that all that (probably still good) food went to waste, but it wasn't the bank or the cop's responsibility to distribute that. If you are evicted from anywhere, whoever evicted you has the reasonable expectation for you to clean the place out. Or at least make arrangements for it, and not have to deal with your busted ass couch and fridge full of whatever.

This guy just said "fark it" and bailed. He's the one who didn't make arrangements for the massive tax write off by giving away the inventory he could not do anything else with. So he's an idiot and a jerk, and the one responsible. Cops were only there to keep "order" while cleaning crews did the job the guy should have done previously.

Either that, or the guy knew how this was going to go down, and was giving everyone in the neighborhood the middle finger for not shopping in his store and causing it to fail anyways.
 
2013-03-27 08:40:31 AM  

the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.


Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite
 
2013-03-27 08:40:39 AM  

Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.


The cash inside the bank, and in fact the cash in your wallet right now belongs to the federal government. What you possess is basically a promissory note saying that the feds will back that piece of paper.

The feds can change currency at any time, like phasing out $1 bills and replacing it with coins. This makes the $1 bill worthless when the govt decides to stop honoring it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-27 08:51:27 AM  
HempHead: You are slightly confused about how much policeman make.

I quoted the figure for my area with a slight discount based on relative cost of living.

If you need a detail officer in Massachusetts you have to pay for a minimum four hour shift, at around $25-$35 per hour plus 10% overhead for the city. Unions own the government so you need a detail officer for a lot of things.
 
2013-03-27 09:02:35 AM  

MythDragon: It's the moose quarters, isn't it? Those Goddamn moose quarters that wind up in my change that the farking soda machine won't take and I can't spend anywhere.

I was in high school (in farking Florida) and got a moose quarter as change for lunch. The next day I tried paying with the damn thing, and the lunch lady wouldn't take it. I told her she's the farking one who gave it to me, and she said something like 'sorry 'bout yo bad luck, but I ain't taking no outta state (yes,' outta state') monies'. I was 20 cents short for a milkshake. Fark you and your moose, Canada.

/besides, moose bites can be nasti.


And to think, that moose quarter was taken to Florida by the hand of someone from MI or another northern border state, for the same reason they couldn't spend it in their home state.  It is common for Canadian change to bounce from stores to customers this way.  Even the major chains do this to there customers, I had this very same thing happen to me.  You would think with the present exchange rate they would take Canadian with a smile at US$ value then turn them in.
 
2013-03-27 09:28:57 AM  

pueblonative: Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?


It actually doesn't matter whether the jury verdict is upheld or not, the goal is to cost the victims of crimes an insane amount of money defending themselves from lawsuits in court, as vengeance for doing anything to defend themselves. The Church of Scientology and the Westboro Baptist Church survive on this, pouring freely donated money into filing lawsuits that will never make it in any sane court but have the desired effect of forcing the targets to pony up a matching amount to avoid being found guilty anyway by default for not hiring a defense attorney.

/and before anyone complains this is unfair, it was actually set up this way intentionally so victims of injustice could do the same if their cause was sufficiently popular to gather enough donations to bleed the corporations and/or banks that victimized them dry, regardless of how the courts ruled
//because everybody knows courts can be bribed and judges can be bought by those evil bankers
 
2013-03-27 09:38:53 AM  
I'm unsurprised.  I remember when I worked at CVS and two ladies were fired for stealing-- one because she took an expired box of cereal from the trash, and the other because she didn't report her.  I remember thinking that was really  stupid-- they were just going to throw the food out anyway, even if it was perfectly good.  "You HAVE to let us throw it away, because if you don't, it's stealing."  Okaaaaay.
 
2013-03-27 10:04:18 AM  

pueblonative: the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.

Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite


Bodine v. Enterprise High School

Ricky Bodine was a 19-year-old high-school graduate who, with three other friends (one of whom had a criminal record), decided the night of March 1, 1982, to steal a floodlight from the roof of the Enterprise High School gymnasium. Ricky climbed the roof, removed the floodlight, lowered it to the ground to his friends, and, as he was walking across the roof (perhaps to steal a second floodlight), he fell through the skylight. Bodine suffered terrible injuries to be sure, though one questions the relevance: if the school is legally responsible for burglars' safety, it doesn't matter whether Bodine stubbed a toe or, as actually happened, became a spastic quadriplegic. But I fail to see what it is that reformers are supposedly misrepresenting. A burglar fell through a skylight, and sued the owner of the skylight for his injuries. Bodine sued for $8 million (in 1984 dollars, about $16 million today) and settled for the nuisance sum of $260,000 plus $1200/month for life, about the equivalent of a million dollars in conservatively-estimated 2006 present value.

In other words, a burglar fell through a skylight, and blamed the skylight's owners for his injuries; because the law permits such suits, and because the law does not compensate defendants for successful defenses, Bodine had the ability to extort hundreds of thousands of dollars from taxpayers for injuries suffered in the course of his own criminal behavior.

-http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-anothe r-d ebunking-that-isnt/
 
2013-03-27 11:48:08 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ReapTheChaos:Grocery stores donate to food banks, homeless shelters, meals on wheels, etc. all the time. Day old bakery goods, items that are approaching their sell by date, produce and whatever else they have. Unless it's already spoiled it can and is donated.

BS.

It depends on the business and where you are.

I have known several people who survived lean times on dumpster diving.  Trader Joe's around here certainly didn't used to donate food - but before douchebags ruined it for people who *needed* it, the workers put one-day-expired, squished-box, etc. food in clean plastic bags separate from the bags of trash and spoiled food.  Clean bags full of one day old bread.  You took what you needed from that if you got there first, then passed it on to whoever showed up behind you.

When the SO lived at a co-op, we ate freaking amazingly for one summer when someone who worked at a small local fancy market and prepared food place lived there.  Homemade soups, veggies, sandwiches, quiches, whatever - if he didn't take them, they were getting tossed.  So the house got to share plenty of $8 per serving prepared meals because they were a day past expiration.

It's better than it was. Plenty of places used to "give away" stuff (read: toss in dumpster, look the other way if taken) and now they give directly to a non-profit who does all the legwork and I'm fairly sure assumes all the liability for them.  Five years ago, ha.

My first job was at a small independent French-German bakery, and *liability* was their biggest worry.  I took home all the fresh made bread and pastry I could and we were still - to my chagrin - throwing out huge amounts.

At one point they made a deal with a guy who volunteered at t ...


Just because the couple places you're aware of don't donate their excess doesn't make what I said bull shiat. Do you honestly think these food banks keep their shelves stocked with the two cans of green beans you donate when your local (fill in the blank) is doing its annual food drive? Most of their inventory comes from grocery stores, bakeries, farmers markets etc. There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.
 
2013-03-27 11:52:55 AM  
As a protest everyone should go into their local Sun Trust Bank and puke on the floor.
 
2013-03-27 12:24:59 PM  
wildcardjack:
/Never realized how small Augusta was until I had to Google Map it.

It's actually not that small. I guess that's a matter of perspective though.
 
2013-03-27 02:15:23 PM  
http://www2.nbc26.tv/news/2013/mar/27/evicted-grocers-food-will-be-don ated-charity-ar-5872373/

"Apparently the food left out front of an evicted grocer's store was destined for charity after all.

According to Golden Harvest Food Bank, the food was taken away but put in storage, with the eventual plan to get it to those in need.
"


So for all you "it was outside so it's mine fark you" people, these scavengers really did steal food from a charity.
 
2013-03-27 02:46:24 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


If you think this is the result of capitalism then you clearly dont understand what the word capitalism means.
 
2013-03-27 03:52:46 PM  
Wasting perfectly good food just peeves me off like crazy.

But I still like buffets.

The whole world's a dilemma.
 
2013-03-27 06:10:51 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.


Strange. Why can't/aren't the stores themselves protected by the same laws?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-27 06:40:46 PM  
fredklein

In my state liability of a charity for negligence is capped at $20,000, or $100,000 for medical malpractice. They used to be immune from suit. The exemption only applies to charities, not to charitable acts by businesses.

Other states may have similar laws.
 
2013-03-27 08:52:07 PM  

fredklein: ReapTheChaos: There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.

Strange. Why can't/aren't the stores themselves protected by the same laws?


Because those are evil corporations that don't deserve to be protected, of course.

/doesn't matter if it's true or not
//we decided that justice isn't allowed to be blind any more
///problem is, justice that can see is justice that can be misdirected by smoke and mirrors... and now smoke and mirrors is the only way to get justice to find in your favor, whether right or wrong
 
2013-03-27 09:36:34 PM  

Tatterdemalian: pueblonative: Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?

It actually doesn't matter whether the jury verdict is upheld or not, the goal is to cost the victims of crimes an insane amount of money defending themselves from lawsuits in court, as vengeance for doing anything to defend themselves. The Church of Scientology and the Westboro Baptist Church survive on this, pouring freely donated money into filing lawsuits that will never make it in any sane court but have the desired effect of forcing the targets to pony up a matching amount to avoid being found guilty anyway by default for not hiring a defense attorney.

/and before anyone complains this is unfair, it was actually set up this way intentionally so victims of injustice could do the same if their cause was sufficiently popular to gather enough donations to bleed the corporations and/or banks that victimized them dry, regardless of how the courts ruled
//because everybody knows courts can be bribed and judges can be bought by those evil bankers


This of course ignores the fact that there are any number of ways to dismiss a lawsuit before it even sees the light of day.    And your complaints suggest reforming the legal system to bring costs under control not diminishing people's right to seek redress in court for legitimate injuries.

And nothing anybody says after the phrase "everybody knows" has any basis anywhere except in the fevered imagination of dimwits.
 
2013-03-27 09:49:06 PM  

fredklein: pueblonative: the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.

Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite

Bodine v. Enterprise High School

Ricky Bodine was a 19-year-old high-school graduate who, with three other friends (one of whom had a criminal record), decided the night of March 1, 1982, to steal a floodlight from the roof of the Enterprise High School gymnasium. Ricky climbed the roof, removed the floodlight, lowered it to the ground to his friends, and, as he was walking across the roof (perhaps to steal a second floodlight), he fell through the skylight. Bodine suffered terrible injuries to be sure, though one questions the relevance: if the school is legally responsible for burglars' safety, it doesn't matter whether Bodine stubbed a toe or, as actually happened, became a spastic quadriplegic. But I fail to see what it is that reformers are supposedly misrepresenting. A burglar fell through a skylight, and sued the owner of the skylight for his injuries. Bodine sued for $8 million (in 1984 dollars, about $16 million today) and settled for the nuisance sum of $260,000 plus $1200/month for life, about the equivalent of a million dollars in conservatively-estimated 2006 present value.

In other words, a burglar fell through a skylight, and blamed the skylight's owners for his injuries; because the law permits such suits, and because the law does not ...


Ah, yes, Bodine,  The one in which a teenager pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).And you might want to get an example that isn't pushing 30 years old and had a law passed preventing this verdict in the future.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:45 PM  

pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager


19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:29 PM  
Saw picture of said crowd earlier today.

Said to myself; Don't bother submitting link.

/ain't one of them going home hungry
//they all going home empty handed
///looters, but I love the pillow cases
 
2013-03-27 11:07:43 PM  

fredklein: pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager

19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.


My original post:
Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?

It was settled by the school, not held up with a jury verdict.
 
2013-03-28 12:28:31 AM  

fredklein: pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager

19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.


That was California, right? See anything here about trespassing? Link
He didn't enter the building with the intent of committing any crime because his entry to the building was entirely accidental.
 
2013-03-28 12:45:00 AM  
No one made light of this guy's last name yet, Lt. Calvin Chew.
 
2013-03-28 09:50:54 AM  

pdee: If you think this is the result of capitalism then you clearly dont understand what the word capitalism means.


We all understand what it used to mean.  It's like "liberal" or "conservative".  It started out with a textbook meaning and now it's just another filthy rag to cover a whore's ass.
 
2013-03-28 03:20:12 PM  

DerAppie: scalpod: DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?

Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.

What? People who grab food from the sidewalk shouldn't be expecting the same quality food as when it is bought in the store. Any sane person knows that, so why not have people make their own choices with accompanying responsilities?


It was a joke about people who believe in determinism, in which case everything's a result of a causal chain of events nobody has control over therefore nobody has control (freewill) and nobody can be held responsible for anything. Of course, following this logic you can't be blamed for having no sense of humor either, so there you have it.
 
2013-03-29 08:29:51 AM  

ProfessorOhki: He didn't enter the building with the intent of committing any crime because his entry to the building was entirely accidental.


Climbing onto someone's roof without permission isn't trespassing?? Interesting.
 
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