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(Athens Banner Herald)   News: Grocery store is evicted. America: 300 people show up to pick through the food thrown out into the parking lot during the eviction. FARK: Marshals run everyone off and guard the food as it is thrown into dumpsters   (onlineathens.com ) divider line
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2013-03-26 07:44:20 PM  
"It's a shame that they are just throwing all this stuff away and not even donating it to a shelter or anything," she said.

I'm glad at least one person made sense, as opposed to the "GIMME GIMME GIMME" crowd. Why they threw out stuff that was still usable is just asinine. Good tag, subby.
 
2013-03-26 07:55:42 PM  
Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.
 
2013-03-26 07:55:58 PM  

Gig103: Why they threw out stuff that was still usable


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2013-03-26 07:57:56 PM  
Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.
 
2013-03-26 08:01:36 PM  
The crowd dissipated after a swarm of deputies arrived, along with Sheriff Richard Roundtree

Who's the cat who won't cop out
When there's danger all about?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-26 08:01:59 PM  
Here's the problem.

The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The landlord just wanted the space back. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.
 
2013-03-26 08:02:12 PM  
this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.
 
2013-03-26 08:02:19 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Gig103: Why they threw out stuff that was still usable

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Something tells me the guy who'd been running this store had made sure the booze, cigs, and lottery tickets had been long since removed before they showed up to serve the eviction notice.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:39 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


I've changed my mind.

The people who decided to throw the food away rather than let somebody eat it deserve to be tied up in the bottom pit of an outhouse and everyone who donates food to the local food bank gets a chance to relieve themselves in said outhouse if they so choose.
 
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2013-03-26 08:10:43 PM  
doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill

I don't think anybody decided "let's throw away food instead of ..." At first the contents of the store were simply set outside, the same as a regular eviction. If ten people had showed up to casually scavenge over the course of an afternoon everything would have been fine. Instead hundreds of determined raiders showed up, compared to three officers on the scene, and there was no time to plan an orderly event.
 
2013-03-26 08:37:52 PM  
Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

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2013-03-26 08:44:50 PM  

propasaurus: The crowd dissipated after a swarm of deputies arrived, along with Sheriff Richard Roundtree

Who's the cat who won't cop out
When there's danger all about?


Indeed, those people got the shaft.
 
2013-03-26 08:47:04 PM  
just more waste

we do it best
 
2013-03-26 09:05:10 PM  

doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.



FTA: "Teresa Russell, chief deputy with the Marshal's Office, said the landlord, SunTrust Bank, was paying to have the displaced merchandise hauled away."


BANKERS. Should we be surprised?


Screw the Icy Hot. Bathe them in stinging nettle juice.
 
2013-03-26 09:08:43 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


Came here to refer to the Grapes of Wrath. Glad someone else thought the same thing.
 
2013-03-26 09:11:42 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

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It never needed to be "thrown out". While the goods were still in the store, the packaging and expiration dates could have been examined, the goods boxed in an orderly fashion, and then donated to charitable organizations as appropriate.

I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?
 
2013-03-26 09:13:49 PM  
Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.
 
2013-03-26 09:25:32 PM  

Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.



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2013-03-26 09:45:36 PM  
FTA "Sheriff Richard Roundtree "

What Sheriff Richard Roundtree may look like    he's a bad m.......  watch your mouth!!

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2013-03-26 09:45:36 PM  
Sounds like the story of the venison that was thrown into the dumpster and "Denatured" with bleasch so that no one woutd get sick off of it.

It was donated to a homeless shelter for meals and one person complained that they were eating deer and the health dept pulled it out of the casings and ruined it all so no one would get sick. It was donated by hunters in a feed the homeless program in Louisana.

One was a senator that donted, said the meat was not even offered back to the hunters they destroyed about 3500 meals.

It would never happen in Nebraska. We give food away all the time.
 
2013-03-26 09:49:49 PM  

Anthracite: It would never happen in Nebraska. We give food away all the time.


Who is 'we'?  All grocery store owners?  Or all Nebraskans?
 
2013-03-26 09:50:22 PM  
All those poor people got the Shaft.
 
2013-03-26 09:53:01 PM  
This seems like something out of a dystopian novel.
 
2013-03-26 09:53:06 PM  
This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!
 
2013-03-26 09:53:34 PM  

doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.


Sounds kinky
 
2013-03-26 09:53:42 PM  
Speaking from experience, it is difficult to find a charity that will take unwanted perishables or prepared food.  However, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found a home for non-edibles and non-perishables.  Needless waste hurts everybody.

/SNAFU
 
2013-03-26 09:53:53 PM  
So, anyone want to guess who would get sued if someone took home that jug of milk that was sitting in the parking lot for the last 8 hours?

They should have donated or discounted the merchandise or made plans to move it before they had to be out. Once all the stuff was outside though? Keeping people from taking it was the right call.
 
2013-03-26 09:54:35 PM  
America... Fark Yeah!

/as usual, it is all the fault of the lawyers
 
2013-03-26 09:54:39 PM  
Disgusting.
 
2013-03-26 09:54:41 PM  
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2013-03-26 09:55:29 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


Part of the reason was the landowners. The other part were the hordes of recently unemployed people. There were riots where people took everything from people who still had stuff. A lot of factors contributed to the food wasting.
 
2013-03-26 09:56:07 PM  
That makes no sense unless the issue was merely crowd control.
 
2013-03-26 09:56:24 PM  
Sheriff Richard Roundtree and Lieutenant Chew plus cheif deputy Teresa Russell. I call shenanigans.
 
2013-03-26 09:56:37 PM  
We'd rather throw away a million cans of food than accidentally let a hungry poor kid have it!!!
 
2013-03-26 09:57:16 PM  
Really strange that the owner would just abandon the inventory like that.
 
2013-03-26 09:58:18 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.



Given the mentality of the scavengers who show up to evictions (both homes and businesses), I highly doubt that "we need to get this stuff to a food bank" was anyone's first priority.
 
2013-03-26 09:59:03 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


Well, capitalism is why we have excess we can throw away.  Of course, we are terrible at justly distributing our excess.
 
2013-03-26 09:59:17 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


Nothing to add.
 
2013-03-26 10:00:02 PM  

the ha ha guy: Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Given the mentality of the scavengers who show up to evictions (both homes and businesses), I highly doubt that "we need to get this stuff to a food bank" was anyone's first priority.


Gee, those "scavengers" who are desperate to get their hands on food, it's almost as if they're hungry.
 
2013-03-26 10:01:24 PM  

the ha ha guy: Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Given the mentality of the scavengers who show up to evictions (both homes and businesses), I highly doubt that "we need to get this stuff to a food bank" was anyone's first priority.


True. The hint of something free brings out the pariahs and vicious self entitled/assault you for a piece of the pie people.
 
2013-03-26 10:01:35 PM  
I'm going to venture a guess that the store wasn't a Whole Foods.
 
2013-03-26 10:02:27 PM  

the ha ha guy: Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Given the mentality of the scavengers who show up to evictions (both homes and businesses), I highly doubt that "we need to get this stuff to a food bank" was anyone's first priority.


who scavenges for food other then poor people who also depend on food banks?
 
2013-03-26 10:05:25 PM  
Came for the Shaft references, leaving happy.
 
2013-03-26 10:06:24 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

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that is the bottom line right there. BS lawsuits is why they had to protect their backsides.
 
2013-03-26 10:07:04 PM  

ZAZ: Here's the problem.

The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The landlord just wanted the space back. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.


Good thing we have you here to explain to us what really happened. Phew, I feel so enlightened! THANKS!
 
2013-03-26 10:07:14 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Nothing to add.


This is due to the issues with people that will not pay market value and wait to take advantage of depreciated assets; that they have created, therefore screwing the producer of these products..


/Galtish
 
2013-03-26 10:08:02 PM  
You can thank the sue-for-liability mentality and slip and fall lawyers for making this happen (cops guarding the dumpster). Also prior planning by at least one of the parties involved could have resulted in donated food to someone who needed it. Nothing good ever comes from people operating in a selfish "gimme gimme gimme" mob mentality at something like this.
 
2013-03-26 10:10:42 PM  
It's not the police or this grocery store's fault. This is about protecting other grocery stores in the area. If they gave away all this food for free, even to charity, that's a lot of food that people won't be buying at other stores.
 
2013-03-26 10:11:18 PM  

trappedspirit: Anthracite: It would never happen in Nebraska. We give food away all the time.

Who is 'we'?  All grocery store owners?  Or all Nebraskans?


Both Nebraskans.
 
2013-03-26 10:11:23 PM  
Police did what they had to do.

The tenant was an asshole for not moving out when it was evicted, and just moseying on as if nothing was wrong, apparently keeping orders up and shelves stocked.

The landlord was an asshole for just hauling all the food to the landfill.  Even if they'd just donated the non-perishables it would have cost them only pennies more and staved off a bunch of bad publicity.

Some of the scavengers were assholes.  Others might have had real needs, but some were just petty cheap people who wanted something for free.
 
2013-03-26 10:11:56 PM  
They could have a had a dollar sale or something, made some money off of it.
 
2013-03-26 10:13:36 PM  

Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.


Actually, no.

Auditors show up unannounced at opening, close the bank for the day, and do a complete audit of assets. Then a receiver is brought in to confirm and take over operations unless a liquidation is already planned. Some staff is retained for the short term. If the receiving institution wishes to keep the bank they can work out a price with the creditors, but otherwise the financial institution is wound down.
 
2013-03-26 10:13:48 PM  

jaylectricity: It's not the police or this grocery store's fault. This is about protecting other grocery stores in the area. If they gave away all this food for free, even to charity, that's a lot of food that people won't be buying at other stores.


You are everything that is wrong in the world.
 
2013-03-26 10:14:03 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


Actually, it is because if someone took the food and then got sick, they could sue either the city or the evicted grocery store. Nice try, though, brah
 
2013-03-26 10:14:59 PM  
America: Land of Idiots.
 
2013-03-26 10:15:37 PM  
I don't believe in hell, but if it existed, there would be a special place for people who commit crimes against humanity. Like this. , and there's no limit to the douchebaggery that can be committed when the state gives some jackass a gun and badge.
 
2013-03-26 10:16:05 PM  

aerojockey: Police did what they had to do.

The tenant was an asshole for not moving out when it was evicted, and just moseying on as if nothing was wrong, apparently keeping orders up and shelves stocked.

The landlord was an asshole for just hauling all the food to the landfill.  Even if they'd just donated the non-perishables it would have cost them only pennies more and staved off a bunch of bad publicity.

Some of the scavengers were assholes.  Others might have had real needs, but some were just petty cheap people who wanted something for free.


It seems that a diagram of assholishness is needed here. Got no skillz. Something in a clocklike fashion.
 
2013-03-26 10:16:22 PM  
Wow.  All around, this really demonstrates multiple facets of the dark side of human nature.  Nobody's perfect, and nobody expects anybody to be perfect, but with so many opportunities here to make someone else's life a little better, so many missed or outright neglected opportunities that could have wrought one little ray of sunshine from an otherwise miserable situation, it's hard to imagine that any decent human being was involved in this.
 
2013-03-26 10:16:23 PM  

destrip: I don't believe in hell, but if it existed, there would be a special place for people who commit crimes against humanity. Like this. , and there's no limit to the douchebaggery that can be committed when the state gives some jackass a gun and badge.


this
 
2013-03-26 10:17:21 PM  

FreetardoRivera: jaylectricity: It's not the police or this grocery store's fault. This is about protecting other grocery stores in the area. If they gave away all this food for free, even to charity, that's a lot of food that people won't be buying at other stores.

You are everything that is wrong in the world.


I'm only pointing it out. I think it's disgusting.
 
2013-03-26 10:17:46 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....


Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.
 
2013-03-26 10:18:04 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


This has nothing to do with capitalism.

This is one of two things: corporatism driven by ridiculous court rulings that have created liability the owner didn't want to take on (people getting sick or something), or just plain asshatism.

But hey, keep beating that strawman.  You'll make it agree with you sooner or later.
 
2013-03-26 10:18:16 PM  
Yes, I'm sure several people would have sued the city, the bank and/or the former store owners over spoiled diapers for their babies.
 
2013-03-26 10:20:12 PM  
Because the city would have been sued if someone got a tummy ache after eating old bread.  Fact
 
2013-03-26 10:21:06 PM  
And had the bank donated the goods they would have been sued by the tenant.

Although the lawyers could have approached a judge to serve an injunction order which would have made it kosher.
 
2013-03-26 10:22:00 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Because the city would have been sued if someone got a tummy ache after eating old bread.  Fact


Obviously certain foods would have spoiled or been past their expiration dates, but canned food is good for a couple years in most cases.
 
2013-03-26 10:22:52 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Because you know... Communism.

By the way, I completely agree with your frustration. People are assholes...
 
2013-03-26 10:24:36 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


yeah what a bunch of assholes
 
2013-03-26 10:25:22 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.




Ur a clown
 
2013-03-26 10:26:34 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


Did you miss the part about how it was their property, to do with as they pleased?
 
2013-03-26 10:26:41 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....


Yup. This is what is wrong with society.
 
2013-03-26 10:27:28 PM  

RabidJade: You can thank the sue-for-liability mentality and slip and fall lawyers for making this happen (cops guarding the dumpster). Also prior planning by at least one of the parties involved could have resulted in donated food to someone who needed it. Nothing good ever comes from people operating in a selfish "gimme gimme gimme" mob mentality at something like this.


Ah, the old unthinking "blame the lawyers" line. Always particularly amusing in stories that feature no lawyers, lawsuits or mentions of litigation.

Police don't intervene - and didn't here - to prevent potential civil lawsuits. The cops could care less if some people sued Sun Trust or the now defunct grocer for drinking spoiled milk. Right or wrong, they intervened because a crowd of 300 people creates crowd control issues:

TFA: "There is the potential to have people fighting and causing problems," said Lt. Calvin Chew. "That's not something we want."
 
2013-03-26 10:27:58 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.


There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.
 
2013-03-26 10:31:07 PM  

muck4doo: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Came here to refer to the Grapes of Wrath. Glad someone else thought the same thing.


I, too, came here for the Steinbeck
 
2013-03-26 10:31:44 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.


Or pay for them out of your pocket.  Jesus, what are seeds, like a dollar?
 
2013-03-26 10:32:20 PM  
I'm with Andrew Jackson on this one.
 
2013-03-26 10:32:49 PM  

FreetardoRivera: who scavenges for food other then poor people who also depend on food banks?



It's not just food, these people will steal anything not nailed down if it looks like they can get away with it.

When I was evicted, I had to have a police officer on site all day to stop people from pulling boxes and furniture out of the truck and house. These weren't homeless people looking for a bite to eat, these were families (including children), most of whom were driving fairly new cars and SUVs, stealing from someone who had been living in a literal shack.
 
2013-03-26 10:33:21 PM  

MemeSlave: Or pay for them out of your pocket. Jesus, what are seeds, like a dollar?


I wish.  My staple seeds would run $4  or more a pack, but that may be due to locality.
 
2013-03-26 10:34:23 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....


Grocery stores donate to food banks, homeless shelters, meals on wheels, etc. all the time. Day old bakery goods, items that are approaching their sell by date, produce and whatever else they have. Unless it's already spoiled it can and is donated.
 
2013-03-26 10:35:31 PM  

the ha ha guy: FreetardoRivera: who scavenges for food other then poor people who also depend on food banks?


It's not just food, these people will steal anything not nailed down if it looks like they can get away with it.

When I was evicted, I had to have a police officer on site all day to stop people from pulling boxes and furniture out of the truck and house. These weren't homeless people looking for a bite to eat, these were families (including children), most of whom were driving fairly new cars and SUVs, stealing from someone who had been living in a literal shack.


Parasites hover close to the source.
 
2013-03-26 10:36:59 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Because the city would have been sued if someone got a tummy ache after eating old bread.  Fact


I once got vicious food poisoning from a pre-made meal at my local grocery store.  As soon as I had the strength to drive again, I went back to the store and told them what happened.  I didn't expect anything and I didn't ask for anything...I just wanted them to know it happened.  I never considered legal action. If it happened again I'd just never eat their meals again.
 
2013-03-26 10:37:18 PM  
The bank could have easily notified local (or even out of town) foodbanks and donated the nonperishable items. Even if this took a day or two I can't imagine they are actually using the space RIGHT NOW. They might have even saved money on disposal (many garbage haulers charge by weight) by arranging for a truck from a local food bank to pick up a portion of the food.

As for non-expired perishable items, options exist but they would require some creativity and forethought beyond the level you'd expect from a bank.
 
2013-03-26 10:38:07 PM  
Welcome to America, where we dump excess corn into the ocean instead of giving it to the poor, homeless, hungry, or shipping it to a country that needs it because there wouldn't be any profit from it. We deal in excess and we waste that excess.
 
2013-03-26 10:39:57 PM  

drwiki: The bank could have easily notified local (or even out of town) foodbanks and donated the nonperishable items. Even if this took a day or two I can't imagine they are actually using the space RIGHT NOW. They might have even saved money on disposal (many garbage haulers charge by weight) by arranging for a truck from a local food bank to pick up a portion of the food.

As for non-expired perishable items, options exist but they would require some creativity and forethought beyond the level you'd expect from a bank.


Hey, that new Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market (TM) or Whole Foods (R) wants to start construction ASAP.

/At least that why I assume the lease was not renewed. Non renewal isn't usually because of non-payment.
 
2013-03-26 10:42:02 PM  
She said the tenant, Il Ki Choi, of Sun and Food LLC, could have avoided the commotion if he had moved out when notified by the court.


Puts me in mind of this bit of history...

www.humanevents.com


I was thinking "To make room for a Wal-Mart" but there's one two miles away, other side of the river. I bet the reason she didn't coordinate better is that she was fighting the eviction for development.  There might actually be ground to fight that sort of eviction instead of nonpayment of rent.

/Never realized how small Augusta was until I had to Google Map it.
 
2013-03-26 10:42:09 PM  

Abox: Gdalescrboz: Because the city would have been sued if someone got a tummy ache after eating old bread.  Fact

I once got vicious food poisoning from a pre-made meal at my local grocery store.  As soon as I had the strength to drive again, I went back to the store and told them what happened.  I didn't expect anything and I didn't ask for anything...I just wanted them to know it happened.  I never considered legal action. If it happened again I'd just never eat their meals again.


Sadly, you are the exception & not the rule.
 
2013-03-26 10:42:22 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.


Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.
 
2013-03-26 10:45:54 PM  

destrip: I don't believe in hell, but if it existed, there would be a special place for people who commit crimes against humanity. Like this. , and there's no limit to the douchebaggery that can be committed when the state gives some jackass a gun and badge.


Blame the asshats who sue the city or the grocery store if they get sick from the free food.
 
2013-03-26 10:46:49 PM  

madgonad: Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.

Actually, no.

Auditors show up unannounced at opening, close the bank for the day, and do a complete audit of assets. Then a receiver is brought in to confirm and take over operations unless a liquidation is already planned. Some staff is retained for the short term. If the receiving institution wishes to keep the bank they can work out a price with the creditors, but otherwise the financial institution is wound down.



For some small, podunk bank in a backwater town?

Possibly.

What about the banks that are TOO BIG TO FAIL?
 
2013-03-26 10:46:51 PM  

machoprogrammer: destrip: I don't believe in hell, but if it existed, there would be a special place for people who commit crimes against humanity. Like this. , and there's no limit to the douchebaggery that can be committed when the state gives some jackass a gun and badge.

Blame the asshats who sue the city or the grocery store if they get sick from the free food.


Sweetheart, there's plenty of blame to go around.
 
2013-03-26 10:50:11 PM  

Amos Quito: doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.


FTA: "Teresa Russell, chief deputy with the Marshal's Office, said the landlord, SunTrust Bank, was paying to have the displaced merchandise hauled away."


BANKERS. Should we be surprised?


Screw the Icy Hot. Bathe them in stinging nettle juice.


In that case, I'm guessing it never made it to the local landfill. It's on its way to a resale office and will show up at some Big Lots in Idaho in a week.
 
2013-03-26 10:51:01 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


that...or they don't want to be held libal for someone's food poisoning ..it makes sense in our country to just throw it away..homeless people have won six figure cases over free food, our country is a cess pool. Anyone who works in customer service already knew that thugh
 
2013-03-26 10:51:34 PM  
FTA : "She said they evicting Gurley's," Serles said, referring to the former name of the neighborhood market. "So, I came down here to get some of the stuff."

TNB?
 
2013-03-26 10:54:32 PM  
I find it interesting that the people most upset by this will be the first to say we don't need tort reform because that will just protect the big evil corporations and won't let the poor innocent victims get justice.

Address the real problem: This happened because this country is so damn sue happy that the liability of letting people just have the food or having it donated makes it less trouble and less expensive to just throw it away. It's not the grocery stores fault, it's not the cops fault, it's the lawyers fault, period, end of story.
 
2013-03-26 10:54:51 PM  

ZAZ: Here's the problem.

The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The landlord just wanted the space back. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.


Yeah. I doubt #2. That building will sit empty probably for months if not years.
 
2013-03-26 10:59:05 PM  

ZAZ: Here's the problem.

The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The landlord just wanted the space back. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.




You are slightly confused about how much policeman make.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:08 PM  

the ha ha guy: FreetardoRivera: who scavenges for food other then poor people who also depend on food banks?


It's not just food, these people will steal anything not nailed down if it looks like they can get away with it.

When I was evicted, I had to have a police officer on site all day to stop people from pulling boxes and furniture out of the truck and house. These weren't homeless people looking for a bite to eat, these were families (including children), most of whom were driving fairly new cars and SUVs, stealing from someone who had been living in a literal shack.


Not a cool story.  I'm a little surprised the police were willing to help you.  Back when I was an apartment dweller one of my neighbors was evicted.  I spent most of a day sitting out in front of the apartment watching her stuff while she had a friend help her shuttle it all to her friend's house.  The book I brought out with me to read spent more time closed than open because of the amount of time I had to spend telling people that the property was not abandoned or for sale and no, they couldn't have it.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:18 PM  
Oh, the humanity.  Someone might get sued over expired ziplock bags.  Can't have that.
 
2013-03-26 11:03:43 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So, anyone want to guess who would get sued if someone took home that jug of milk that was sitting in the parking lot for the last 8 hours?





Ummm...you can easily tell if milk is spoiled when you drink it. It won't kill you.
 
2013-03-26 11:04:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Amos Quito: doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.


FTA: "Teresa Russell, chief deputy with the Marshal's Office, said the landlord, SunTrust Bank, was paying to have the displaced merchandise hauled away."


BANKERS. Should we be surprised?


Screw the Icy Hot. Bathe them in stinging nettle juice.

In that case, I'm guessing it never made it to the local landfill. It's on its way to a resale office and will show up at some Big Lots in Idaho in a week.



freebies2deals.com

And the Great Circle of Life shall be complete.
 
2013-03-26 11:05:10 PM  

AbbeySomeone: AlwaysRightBoy: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Nothing to add.

This is due to the issues with people that will not pay market value and wait to take advantage of depreciated assets; that they have created, therefore screwing the producer of these products..


/Galtish


I mean't my take on her statement. But you sounded sasse regardless.
 
2013-03-26 11:05:19 PM  

AbbeySomeone: AlwaysRightBoy: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Nothing to add.

This is due to the issues with people that will not pay market value and wait to take advantage of depreciated assets; that they have created, therefore screwing the producer of these products..


/Galtish


Actually what you describe is a producer of those products thinking market value should be higher then what it is and not selling at the price people are willing to pay.
 
2013-03-26 11:06:41 PM  

blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.


Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.
 
2013-03-26 11:07:22 PM  
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kab
2013-03-26 11:07:32 PM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Free soup never helped anyone grow bootstraps, comrade.
 
2013-03-26 11:08:38 PM  
The store knew for a month it was being evicted. They apparently chose to maintain normal business operations till the last minute, to get all the income it was possible to get, rather than donate any time to organizing the donation of their inventory. They weren't a charity and they didn't feel obligated to become one.
 
2013-03-26 11:08:55 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Welcome to America, where we dump excess corn into the ocean instead of giving it to the poor, homeless, hungry, or shipping it to a country that needs it because there wouldn't be any profit from it. We deal in excess and we waste that excess.


I hear what you are saying.  But

1.  It isn't like there can be a field of "useless" grain in Iowa, and for free it can be put on the tables of the poor and hungry.

2.  Even if it could be, most people in this country have been made so helpless and useless by society that they wouldn't know what to do with a bag of dried grain even if you gave it to them.  (The correct answer being, of course, "make beer with it")

3.  That's all I got.  Free food aint free, and I can't see corn getting dumped in this age of subsidized ethanol, anyway.
 
2013-03-26 11:09:31 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


So, life imitating fiction, only not really?
 
2013-03-26 11:12:28 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


Obesity is killing Ametica's poor, not hunger.
 
2013-03-26 11:15:01 PM  

randomjsa: I find it interesting that the people most upset by this will be the first to say we don't need tort reform because that will just protect the big evil corporations and won't let the poor innocent victims get justice.

Address the real problem: This happened because this country is so damn sue happy that the liability of letting people just have the food or having it donated makes it less trouble and less expensive to just throw it away. It's not the grocery stores fault, it's not the cops fault, it's the lawyers fault, period, end of story.


Sadly this is true.
 
2013-03-26 11:15:53 PM  

Nem Wan: The store knew for a month it was being evicted. They apparently chose to maintain normal business operations till the last minute, to get all the income it was possible to get, rather than donate any time to organizing the donation of their inventory. They weren't a charity and they didn't feel obligated to become one.


THIS

Should have spent the last week organizing a donation of all non perishables, then marked everything else down in a going out of business sale. Deplete your inventory, even sell off the shelves. The blame is entirely on the owner.
 
2013-03-26 11:16:30 PM  

al's hat: I'm a little surprised the police were willing to help you.



They didn't exactly volunteer, what happened was I called them out after I caught someone trying to load my dresser into the back of their SUV (the driver also called to complain that I was trying to steal "his" dresser, which just so happened to have all my clothes inside), and by the time that was settled someone else was trying to load something else into their car, then another, and so on until everything was either gone or locked in the back of the truck.
 
2013-03-26 11:16:44 PM  

iheartscotch: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Part of the reason was the landowners. The other part were the hordes of recently unemployed people. There were riots where people took everything from people who still had stuff. A lot of factors contributed to the food wasting.


That's what's called a "revolution."
 
2013-03-26 11:20:22 PM  

jaylectricity: It's not the police or this grocery store's fault. This is about protecting other grocery stores in the area. If they gave away all this food for free, even to charity, that's a lot of food that people won't be buying at other stores.


I like the angle, but unless this was some sort of super-center surrounded only by small-barely-making-it stores, I doubt it would effect the bottom line of any nearby business.
 
2013-03-26 11:24:03 PM  
The independent grocery store I worked at during my high school/college years went out of business a little while ago. It was a controlled crash. Everything but the cigarettes and lotto went on sale dropping 10% per week with the shelving and other equipment going last. Nothing was wasted, not even the employees. The owner got jobs for all the full timers at other grocery stores. It was more than I thought he would do.

/CSB
 
2013-03-26 11:25:30 PM  

Amos Quito: madgonad: Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.

Actually, no.

Auditors show up unannounced at opening, close the bank for the day, and do a complete audit of assets. Then a receiver is brought in to confirm and take over operations unless a liquidation is already planned. Some staff is retained for the short term. If the receiving institution wishes to keep the bank they can work out a price with the creditors, but otherwise the financial institution is wound down.


For some small, podunk bank in a backwater town?

Possibly.

What about the banks that are TOO BIG TO FAIL?


Washington Mutual was seized, audited, and liquidated. That bank had almost 50,000 employees. JPMorgan acted as receiver and got a pretty good deal for the risk they took.
 
2013-03-26 11:26:16 PM  
I guess it's birds and snow coffee again.
 
2013-03-26 11:26:34 PM  
Well yeah, it's a form of dumping and it's going to hurt the other grocers.

Robber barons maintained their monopolies the same way by destroying their competitors through selling things at a loss.
 
2013-03-26 11:27:24 PM  

Nem Wan: The store knew for a month it was being evicted. They apparently chose to maintain normal business operations till the last minute, to get all the income it was possible to get, rather than donate any time to organizing the donation of their inventory. They weren't a charity and they didn't feel obligated to become one.


Please stop injecting logic, rationale and common sense into this thread, it irritates the indignant, self-righteous crowd.
 
2013-03-26 11:27:28 PM  

iheartscotch: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Part of the reason was the landowners. The other part were the hordes of recently unemployed people. There were riots where people took everything from people who still had stuff. A lot of factors contributed to the food wasting.


You can add in government bureaucrats who wanted to keep crop prices high.
 
2013-03-26 11:27:54 PM  

sporkme: Speaking from experience, it is difficult to find a charity that will take unwanted perishables or prepared food.  However, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found a home for non-edibles and non-perishables.  Needless waste hurts everybody.

/SNAFU


Speaking from experience no. No It certainly is not hard.
 
2013-03-26 11:28:29 PM  
Did John Steinbeck ever meet Ayn Rand?
 
2013-03-26 11:28:45 PM  

meat0918: I guess it's birds and snow coffee again.


It is Tuesday, after all.
 
2013-03-26 11:29:28 PM  

doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.


That would be the evicted store owner.
 
2013-03-26 11:29:57 PM  
Oh i get it. Its ok for cops to sift through your garbage. But you better stay out of someone elses garbage yourself.

every marshall involved should be fired for sheer stupidity.
the foods going bad anyways. What a bunch of farkwads.

as someone whos gone hungry before this is an outrage
 
2013-03-26 11:31:27 PM  
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2013-03-26 11:31:43 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Oh i get it. Its ok for cops to sift through your garbage. But you better stay out of someone elses garbage yourself.

every marshall involved should be fired for sheer stupidity.
the foods going bad anyways. What a bunch of farkwads.

as someone whos gone hungry before this is an outrage


wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-03-26 11:32:33 PM  
Food was thrown into dumpsters and taken to landfills while people are starving. Only in the United States of Avarice.
 
2013-03-26 11:33:22 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]


And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.
 
2013-03-26 11:33:54 PM  

Molavian: trappedspirit: Anthracite: It would never happen in Nebraska. We give food away all the time.

Who is 'we'?  All grocery store owners?  Or all Nebraskans?

Both Nebraskans.


You made me snerkle
 
2013-03-26 11:34:06 PM  
Speaking from experience no. No It certainly is not hard.
 
2013-03-26 11:34:55 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Oh i get it. Its ok for cops to sift through your garbage. But you better stay out of someone elses garbage yourself.



Both are wrong. And merely being outside does not make something garbage, regardless of what the "it's outside so it's already mine even if I did take it out of the back of your truck" crowd says.
 
2013-03-26 11:37:30 PM  

ZAZ: The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.


"A court ordered eviction notice was served Feb. 13. Russell said the tenant failed to file an answer, so a judge signed the final order Feb. 27. SunTrust delayed scheduling the eviction until Tuesday.  According to Russell, a final notice was posted on the grocery's door on Friday. The tenant removed some goods from the store Tuesday morning before leaving, she said."

That's overwhelming?

Il Ki Choi, of Sun and Food LLC, just didn't give a shiat.
 
2013-03-26 11:37:37 PM  

andyofne: ZAZ: Here's the problem.

The tenant was too overwhelmed by the eviction process to think about making specific plans to dispose of inventory. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The landlord just wanted the space back. If somebody had asked ahead of time, maybe the inventory would have been donated.

The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.

Yeah. I doubt #2. That building will sit empty probably for months if not years.


Well, number 1 also asks you to believe that the grocer just forgot all the groceries, and #3 assumes that the sheriff's department (a) "doesn't want to deal with a crowd" but (b) is nonetheless eager to rush thirty officers to a closed-down grocery store.
 
2013-03-26 11:43:30 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.

That would be the evicted store owner.


Well do it to the bankers just because.

Uppity bankers.
 
2013-03-26 11:43:40 PM  
The stuff was places in trash bags before it went into the garbage bins, not garbage trucks with idling engines.  Does anyone think that those bins will be full when they eventually get to the dump?
 
2013-03-26 11:48:08 PM  

jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]



Came here to say this. We have our own litigious culture to thank for such madness, not cops getting some sort of pleasure out of this. I suspect that this amounts to a "crappy day at the office" for these grunts, having to tell hungry people "no."
 
2013-03-26 11:56:37 PM  
"And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange."
 
2013-03-26 11:58:17 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.


The only thing they'd let the poor eat were their grapes.
 
2013-03-27 12:01:35 AM  

kab: Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.

Free soup never helped anyone grow bootstraps, comrade.


Guillotines on the other hand did wonders for the poor in France.
 
2013-03-27 12:03:37 AM  

the ha ha guy: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Oh i get it. Its ok for cops to sift through your garbage. But you better stay out of someone elses garbage yourself.


Both are wrong. And merely being outside does not make something garbage, regardless of what the "it's outside so it's already mine even if I did take it out of the back of your truck" crowd says.


Though i see what your saying. Its not like this was food yanked out of the back of a truck. Common sense says if your throwing something away. If you have no use for it.
if its still good or in quality condition. You give it to someone who can make use of it.

food furniture electronics. If it isnt actually garbage than throw a dog a bone.

With the amount of wealth on this planet. Nobody should have to want for food.
 
2013-03-27 12:09:31 AM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


upload.wikimedia.org
"Yessss, Weaver, give in to your compassion. Come to the Liberal side."
 
2013-03-27 12:10:47 AM  

Anthracite: the meat was not even offered back to the hunters they destroyed about 3500 meals.


Once you donate something, it's not yours to decide what to do with anymore.

If the recipients wanted to ruin the deer meet with bleach, that's their right.
 
2013-03-27 12:13:45 AM  

madgonad: Amos Quito: madgonad: Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.

Actually, no.

Auditors show up unannounced at opening, close the bank for the day, and do a complete audit of assets. Then a receiver is brought in to confirm and take over operations unless a liquidation is already planned. Some staff is retained for the short term. If the receiving institution wishes to keep the bank they can work out a price with the creditors, but otherwise the financial institution is wound down.


For some small, podunk bank in a backwater town?

Possibly.

What about the banks that are TOO BIG TO FAIL?

Washington Mutual was seized, audited, and liquidated. That bank had almost 50,000 employees. JPMorgan acted as receiver and got a pretty good deal for the risk they took.



Washington Mutual's assets were merely handed to other banksters - big league boys.

No politician gives a shiat about "employees", whether they be 5 or 50,000.

Where did the vast majority of the money that was used to "bail out" AIG go? To pay off CDS liabilities owed to Goldman Sachs et al.

In politics speak, "too big to fail" = these farkers OWN us.

www.aidthoughts.org

"It's good to be the king"
 
2013-03-27 12:16:33 AM  
I was unaware there was a food shortage in the U.S.
 
2013-03-27 12:18:13 AM  

goatleggedfellow: I was unaware there was a food shortage in the U.S.


Food banks run low on supplies every day
 
2013-03-27 12:19:03 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Anthracite: the meat was not even offered back to the hunters they destroyed about 3500 meals.

Once you donate something, it's not yours to decide what to do with anymore.

If the recipients wanted to ruin the deer meet with bleach, that's their right.


One of the most strange things to ever have to relay to people, if you ever work for a donations dependent outfit, when you give it up you dont get a choice in what happens and people never seem to get that.

On another note the food things is always nuts, we used to go by mcdonalds and other fast food places and restaurants as well at closing time to get food for the homeless and they were very generous till one of those people got sick claimed it was from the food and in and asinine way tried to sue/extort money word spread no more hand outs for them and that policy is iron clad now it seems, too much liability in trying to help your fellow man
 
2013-03-27 12:19:38 AM  

HempHead: ProfessorOhki: So, anyone want to guess who would get sued if someone took home that jug of milk that was sitting in the parking lot for the last 8 hours?

Ummm...you can easily tell if milk is spoiled when you drink it. It won't kill you.


You might be smart enough to do it, but there's a handful of people who wouldn't use better disgression, or just might be looking to make one of those fancy bajillion dollar lawsuits over a fairly minor incident.

I'm not going to argue that the food shouldn't have gone to the food bank or shelter, obviously that would be ideal. But there are a lot of food safety laws that sound pedantic but have their reasons. For instance, even packaged, food has to be a certain distance off the floor. Food has to be rotated correctly. Spoilable foods cannot be sold or given away, heck even stuff that doesn't easily spoil  but passes expiry  cannot be passed to consumers by a corporation(chicken noodle soup probably isn't more dangerous if you eat it the week before or after the Best before date, for example). I used to work at McDonalds and we locked the trash compactor room and had to immediately compact all garbage or there was potential people would come and try and scavange it.
 
2013-03-27 12:22:18 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Though i see what your saying. Its not like this was food yanked out of the back of a truck. Common sense says if your throwing something away. If you have no use for it.



But how did these people know for a certainty that the stuff was trash rather than destined for the food bank? TFA says they were only told after the backup cops arrived. Before that, their attitude was "it's outside so it's mine because Facebook told me so".
 
2013-03-27 12:22:29 AM  
unless the food was spoiled let the people have it if you just gonna throw it away, no sense wasting it.
 
2013-03-27 12:23:18 AM  
^ Yes, I have now realized the correct spelling in my post should be 'discretion'.

:P
 
2013-03-27 12:24:32 AM  

Cheater71: goatleggedfellow: I was unaware there was a food shortage in the U.S.

Food banks run low on supplies every day



Often due to people like those in TFA who have no legitimate need, a few of whom even brag about going to multiple food banks each day.
 
2013-03-27 12:25:14 AM  
Not so CSB:

Every day I walk from my office to the grocery store to buy something for lunch. Every day I pass by at least one person behind the store gathering their meal for the day out of the dumpster. Some people walk up to the dumpster. Sometimes they drive up with kids in the car. Breaks my effin heart.

Some days I buy extra just in case they are still there when I walk by again.
 
2013-03-27 12:26:20 AM  

octopied: HempHead: ProfessorOhki: So, anyone want to guess who would get sued if someone took home that jug of milk that was sitting in the parking lot for the last 8 hours?

Ummm...you can easily tell if milk is spoiled when you drink it. It won't kill you.

You might be smart enough to do it, but there's a handful of people who wouldn't use better disgression, or just might be looking to make one of those fancy bajillion dollar lawsuits over a fairly minor incident.

I'm not going to argue that the food shouldn't have gone to the food bank or shelter, obviously that would be ideal. But there are a lot of food safety laws that sound pedantic but have their reasons. For instance, even packaged, food has to be a certain distance off the floor. Food has to be rotated correctly. Spoilable foods cannot be sold or given away, heck even stuff that doesn't easily spoil  but passes expiry  cannot be passed to consumers by a corporation(chicken noodle soup probably isn't more dangerous if you eat it the week before or after the Best before date, for example). I used to work at McDonalds and we locked the trash compactor room and had to immediately compact all garbage or there was potential people would come and try and scavange it.


Those trash securing laws are stupid.

Here's doglover's trash law= it's illegal to sue for injuries sustained by eating garbage because ew. Then we could just let hobos and ne'er do wells scavenge.
 
2013-03-27 12:26:35 AM  
Dem Pinkerton boys are at it again.....
 
2013-03-27 12:27:47 AM  

AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.


windowsills? really?
 
2013-03-27 12:29:28 AM  

schoolbread: AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.

windowsills? really?


You can feed a family of eight for a year with a single windowsill plot!
 
2013-03-27 12:29:56 AM  

WillofJ2: poot_rootbeer: Anthracite: the meat was not even offered back to the hunters they destroyed about 3500 meals.

Once you donate something, it's not yours to decide what to do with anymore.

If the recipients wanted to ruin the deer meet with bleach, that's their right.

One of the most strange things to ever have to relay to people, if you ever work for a donations dependent outfit, when you give it up you dont get a choice in what happens and people never seem to get that.

On another note the food things is always nuts, we used to go by mcdonalds and other fast food places and restaurants as well at closing time to get food for the homeless and they were very generous till one of those people got sick claimed it was from the food and in and asinine way tried to sue/extort money word spread no more hand outs for them and that policy is iron clad now it seems, too much liability in trying to help your fellow man


Sadly, this. There is always one asshole who has to put a dead roach or mouse in their free food and try to collect a windfall, and ruin it for everyone else who is hungry and those who would like not to throw away dumpsters full of perfectly useable food.
 
2013-03-27 12:29:57 AM  

ZAZ: The sheriff's department didn't want to deal with a crowd full of the kind of people who would trample somebody to death in the rush for a Black Friday deal at Walmart. If somebody had asked ahead of time and paid $3,000 to put 30 more officers on the scene they might have supervised a scavenger hunt.


Yes, cops, always saving us from things that didn't happen.
 
2013-03-27 12:34:13 AM  
"YE SHALT NOT ALLOW THINE POORS TO HAVE FOOD! FOR THEY ARE CONDEMNED BY THE LORD THY GOD!" -- Limbaugh 3:17
 
2013-03-27 12:35:05 AM  

born_yesterday: schoolbread: AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.

windowsills? really?

You can feed a family of eight for a year with a single windowsill plot!


if you cant feed your family by hunting and growing a freedom garden on the windowsill your not a true American Patriot, after all.
 
2013-03-27 12:40:10 AM  

machoprogrammer: Blame the asshats who sue the city or the grocery store if they get sick from the free food.


That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.
 
2013-03-27 12:44:20 AM  

born_yesterday: schoolbread: AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.

windowsills? really?

You can feed a family of eight ate for a year with a single windowsill plot!



/Cannibalism FTW
 
2013-03-27 12:48:31 AM  
They could have at least donated the items to those Occupy Wal*Mart folks. Might still be too cold for them to be outside right now, but the canned stuff would keep.
 
2013-03-27 12:53:02 AM  

Willas Tyrell: RabidJade: You can thank the sue-for-liability mentality and slip and fall lawyers for making this happen (cops guarding the dumpster). Also prior planning by at least one of the parties involved could have resulted in donated food to someone who needed it. Nothing good ever comes from people operating in a selfish "gimme gimme gimme" mob mentality at something like this.

Ah, the old unthinking "blame the lawyers" line. Always particularly amusing in stories that feature no lawyers, lawsuits or mentions of litigation.

Police don't intervene - and didn't here - to prevent potential civil lawsuits. The cops could care less if some people sued Sun Trust or the now defunct grocer for drinking spoiled milk. Right or wrong, they intervened because a crowd of 300 people creates crowd control issues:

TFA: "There is the potential to have people fighting and causing problems," said Lt. Calvin Chew. "That's not something we want."


I've personally knew people that gave away free stuff, the recipient was hurt by it and came back for a lawsuit. My friend at the time paid a lot of money to make that go away and as far as I know they are still paying on that. I could also see something like that happening here. This was a frivolous lawsuit paradise.
 
2013-03-27 12:57:11 AM  
Maybe if the vultures would have shopped there to begin with there wouldn't have been an eviction. Did anyone stop to consider that scenerio? Sorry, people, you don't get to capitalize on someone else's misfortune, and shame on you for assuming you would. That's what you get.
 
2013-03-27 12:57:33 AM  

TV's Vinnie: "YE SHALT NOT ALLOW THINE POORS TO HAVE FOOD! FOR THEY ARE CONDEMNED BY THE LORD THY GOD!" -- Limbaugh 3:17


He would be amused to know you think he's a God.  Good little peon, go tithe to him now
 
2013-03-27 01:02:41 AM  
Can I have the Doritos?
 
2013-03-27 01:04:14 AM  

TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.



In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.
 
2013-03-27 01:07:01 AM  
Willas Tyrell:
Police don't intervene - and didn't here - to prevent potential civil lawsuits. The cops could care less if some people sued Sun Trust or the now defunct grocer for drinking spoiled milk. Right or wrong, they intervened because a crowd of 300 people creates crowd control issues:

TFA: "There is the potential to have people fighting and causing problems," said Lt. Calvin Chew. "That's not something we want."


Hence LAWSUITS. Someone gets hurt in the rush, the police aren't there for crowd control, see you in court.
No matter what, THERE. WILL. BE. LAWSUITS.

Welcome to Amurrica.
 
2013-03-27 01:08:30 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Anthracite: the meat was not even offered back to the hunters they destroyed about 3500 meals.

Once you donate something, it's not yours to decide what to do with anymore.

If the recipients wanted to ruin the deer meet with bleach, that's their right.


The shelter that received the meat did not bleach it.  The health dept. that confiscated the meat did that.

The deer were butchered in a licensed slaughterhouse.  The only "problem" was that they were wild deer, not raised on a farm under regulated conditions.
 
2013-03-27 01:09:41 AM  

rewind2846: Hence LAWSUITS.

SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

I agree. Let's roll up all the lawyers in a big ball of twine and roll 'em into Canada and done with it.
 
2013-03-27 01:12:55 AM  

doglover: rewind2846: Hence LAWSUITS. SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

I agree. Let's roll up all the lawyers in a big ball of twine and roll 'em into Canada and done with it.



Why do you hate Canada?
 
2013-03-27 01:17:00 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: TV's Vinnie: "YE SHALT NOT ALLOW THINE POORS TO HAVE FOOD! FOR THEY ARE CONDEMNED BY THE LORD THY GOD!" -- Limbaugh 3:17

He would be amused to know you think he's a God.  Good little peon, go tithe to him now


Limbaugh thinks Obama is God. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts himself on that pedestal, too.
 
2013-03-27 01:19:26 AM  

Rozotorical: sporkme: Speaking from experience, it is difficult to find a charity that will take unwanted perishables or prepared food.  However, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found a home for non-edibles and non-perishables.  Needless waste hurts everybody.

/SNAFU

Speaking from experience no. No It certainly is not hard.


Wonderful, I must have imagined all of those rejections. "Do you have any cans?" We just handed the stuff out to neighbors and coworkers not in need because we're lazy. Thanks for the insight. Wheeler Mission will take fresh fruit, but not most vegetables and definitely nothing prepared, and they are the most lenient we have found. Most just ask for cash instead. But that's fine, you must be right.

It appears that efforts at direct donation are met by battalions of pepper spraying cops, so there's an attractive option.

/350 tiny reubens, scorned by the wedding party in favor of tiny BLT's, heartlessly consumed by craven diesel mechanics who delight at the opportunity to deprive poor people of sauerkraut.

//350 beautiful tiny Reubens, delicately and lovingly crafted, desecrated by gnashing, slobbering, gibbering, filthy grease monkeys who hate poor people.

/// Widow's Jar ministry in Indianapolis will take some vegetables, but I suspect a lot goes to compost.
 
2013-03-27 01:20:02 AM  

rewind2846: Willas Tyrell:
Police don't intervene - and didn't here - to prevent potential civil lawsuits. The cops could care less if some people sued Sun Trust or the now defunct grocer for drinking spoiled milk. Right or wrong, they intervened because a crowd of 300 people creates crowd control issues:

TFA: "There is the potential to have people fighting and causing problems," said Lt. Calvin Chew. "That's not something we want."

Hence LAWSUITS. Someone gets hurt in the rush, the police aren't there for crowd control, see you in court.
No matter what, THERE. WILL. BE. LAWSUITS.

Welcome to Amurrica.


The SCOTUS ruled long ago that no citizen can sue because cops failed to protect him, unless he's in their custody.
 
2013-03-27 01:24:03 AM  

sporkme: Rozotorical: sporkme: Speaking from experience, it is difficult to find a charity that will take unwanted perishables or prepared food.  However, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found a home for non-edibles and non-perishables.  Needless waste hurts everybody.

/SNAFU

Speaking from experience no. No It certainly is not hard.

Wonderful, I must have imagined all of those rejections. "Do you have any cans?" We just handed the stuff out to neighbors and coworkers not in need because we're lazy. Thanks for the insight. Wheeler Mission will take fresh fruit, but not most vegetables and definitely nothing prepared, and they are the most lenient we have found. Most just ask for cash instead. But that's fine, you must be right.

It appears that efforts at direct donation are met by battalions of pepper spraying cops, so there's an attractive option.

/350 tiny reubens, scorned by the wedding party in favor of tiny BLT's, heartlessly consumed by craven diesel mechanics who delight at the opportunity to deprive poor people of sauerkraut.

//350 beautiful tiny Reubens, delicately and lovingly crafted, desecrated by gnashing, slobbering, gibbering, filthy grease monkeys who hate poor people.

/// Widow's Jar ministry in Indianapolis will take some vegetables, but I suspect a lot goes to compost.


The leftovers from my wedding were gladly accepted by a women's shelter.  Cake, Swedish meatballs, raw veggies, watermelon....  Wifey arranged the donation beforehand, so I doubt they were thrown away after we left.

It depends on where you get your experience, I guess.
 
2013-03-27 01:45:17 AM  
USA! USA!! USA!!!
 
2013-03-27 01:48:37 AM  

knowless: USA! USA!! USA!!!


Said same in my retweet of this.  It's getting grim out here in real world land, rich folk.

/ I was one of them, now I'm the other them, or they.  Us?
 
2013-03-27 01:49:35 AM  
What the store owner should have done was have a 90% off sale on Saturday and Sunday. At least they would have made a little money and nothing would have gone to waste.

For that matter the store owners could have told the cops that they still own the merchandise and they want people to have it. How could the police trash it in that circumstance? If someone gets evicted from their house the police don't take the stuff to the dump immediately.

They're idiots in a long line of idiots in this story.
 
2013-03-27 01:52:47 AM  

AbbeySomeone: AlwaysRightBoy: Bathia_Mapes: Steinbeck described similar food wasting in "The Grapes of Wrath". Oranges sprayed with kerosene, pigs killed & dumped in ditches after which they're doused with quicklime, potatoes dumped in the river. All because the landowners decided since they wouldn't be profiting from their crops/livestock, they'd be damned if they would let hungry people have them for free.

Nothing to add.

This is due to the issues with people that will not pay market value and wait to take advantage of depreciated assets; that they have created, therefore screwing the producer of these products..


/Galtish


 Yup, we'll all just stop eating for a while. That'll learn them nasty capitalists!
 
2013-03-27 01:55:53 AM  
I cannot believe anyone would support the cops on this one. All issues of liability taken into account, that wasn't the cops business unless perhaps the bank hired them directly.
 
2013-03-27 01:55:54 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: sporkme: Rozotorical: sporkme: Speaking from experience, it is difficult to find a charity that will take unwanted perishables or prepared food.  However, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found a home for non-edibles and non-perishables.  Needless waste hurts everybody.

/SNAFU

Speaking from experience no. No It certainly is not hard.

Wonderful, I must have imagined all of those rejections. "Do you have any cans?" We just handed the stuff out to neighbors and coworkers not in need because we're lazy. Thanks for the insight. Wheeler Mission will take fresh fruit, but not most vegetables and definitely nothing prepared, and they are the most lenient we have found. Most just ask for cash instead. But that's fine, you must be right.

It appears that efforts at direct donation are met by battalions of pepper spraying cops, so there's an attractive option.

/350 tiny reubens, scorned by the wedding party in favor of tiny BLT's, heartlessly consumed by craven diesel mechanics who delight at the opportunity to deprive poor people of sauerkraut.

//350 beautiful tiny Reubens, delicately and lovingly crafted, desecrated by gnashing, slobbering, gibbering, filthy grease monkeys who hate poor people.

/// Widow's Jar ministry in Indianapolis will take some vegetables, but I suspect a lot goes to compost.

The leftovers from my wedding were gladly accepted by a women's shelter.  Cake, Swedish meatballs, raw veggies, watermelon....  Wifey arranged the donation beforehand, so I doubt they were thrown away after we left.

It depends on where you get your experience, I guess.


We have tried to pre-arrange many times, always we have been rejected. Funny thing is, I bet they would accept packaged sandwiches from a gas station over our professionally prepared cuisine. Didn't mean to bite your head off... this has always been extra frustrating for me, especially when you're voluntold to help make it by your maniacal dad then watch half eaten plates of known delicious food go to waste. The hungrier you are, the better really delicious food is... it is a shameful waste of food and my careful labor to skip dinner time at the shelter in favor of the next day's lunch rabble in the break room because of foolish sanitary phobias. Anything from dad's kitchen has way WAY WAY better sanitary practice than the pizza places I worked at in high school.
 
2013-03-27 02:02:18 AM  

kazikian: I cannot believe anyone would support the cops on this one. All issues of liability taken into account, that wasn't the cops business unless perhaps the bank hired them directly.



From the sounds of it, the bank did hire the original three to enforce the eviction, the rest were only called out when they decided that they couldn't hold off an angry crowd of 300 by themselves.
 
2013-03-27 02:18:04 AM  

the ha ha guy: kazikian: I cannot believe anyone would support the cops on this one. All issues of liability taken into account, that wasn't the cops business unless perhaps the bank hired them directly.


From the sounds of it, the bank did hire the original three to enforce the eviction, the rest were only called out when they decided that they couldn't hold off an angry crowd of 300 by themselves.


Were they hired though to enforce the eviction or to prevent "looting?" what was their business keeping people from taking the merch?
 
2013-03-27 02:28:09 AM  

Gig103: "It's a shame that they are just throwing all this stuff away and not even donating it to a shelter or anything," she said.

I'm glad at least one person made sense, as opposed to the "GIMME GIMME GIMME" crowd. Why they threw out stuff that was still usable is just asinine. Good tag, subby.


Blame housing laws and housing advocates. The law I operate under forbids me from taking anything that belongs to a tenant during the eviction. I am required to remove the contents under supervision by the Sheriff to the curb and allow the tenant to take their possessions. I am not permitted to designate or retain any items for any other purpose. I am also required by local solid waste code to remove the items left on the curb to the appropriate solid waste receptacles within 1 hour of placing them there or I can be fined $300 per occurrence per day. If the set out takes longer than 60 minutes I am literally putting things in the trash with the Sheriff there to prevent me from stealing it and the City code enforcement punishing me if I dont destroy it by putting it in a dumpster.

Both of these laws were designed to go after "Slum Lords".  For those of you who have never dealt in low income lease apartments, a slum lord is anyone who privately rents apartments to people on government assistance. We have about 30% of our units that are low income available, and we maintain them with the same work crews and same specifications as our luxury apartments. Despite that we are still treated as slum lords because when you rent to poor people it upsets everyone else.

So when you read about a property management company doing something that sounds strange, like paying workers to destroy food that someone is willing to take away for free......you can place the blame where it belongs.....with housing advocacy groups and angry neighborhood associations. Prop Managment companies want to remove the tenant as cheaply as possible. They wont go out of their way to act as the article states.
 
2013-03-27 02:28:51 AM  

kazikian: Were they hired though to enforce the eviction or to prevent "looting?" what was their business keeping people from taking the merch?



Part of enforcing the eviction means keeping the peace and protecting the property.

Would you argue that a police officer on hand for a home eviction shouldn't stop scavengers who try to steal furniture? Or should the police only ignore theft when people steal from a company?
 
2013-03-27 02:35:32 AM  

Amos Quito: doglover: rewind2846: Hence LAWSUITS. SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

I agree. Let's roll up all the lawyers in a big ball of twine and roll 'em into Canada and done with it.


Why do you hate Canada?


They know what they did.
 
2013-03-27 02:37:27 AM  

archichris: Blame housing laws and housing advocates.

  <snip>

Thanks for posting that, I didn't actually know the rules. So I guess it would have been up to the business owner to donate anything?
 
2013-03-27 03:09:14 AM  
One mans staging area is another's free stuff.
 
2013-03-27 03:11:50 AM  

The Snow Dog: What the store owner should have done was have a 90% off sale on Saturday and Sunday. At least they would have made a little money and nothing would have gone to waste.

For that matter the store owners could have told the cops that they still own the merchandise and they want people to have it. How could the police trash it in that circumstance? If someone gets evicted from their house the police don't take the stuff to the dump immediately.

They're idiots in a long line of idiots in this story.


Cops do not do the dirty work in evictions.  They keep the peace while landlord's workers clean up the property.  That's what happened here.

Georgia law for commercial evictions says that any property left on the premises after the lease has expired becomes the landlord's property and can be disposed immediately.  In residential eviction, a landlord is usually required to store abandoned goods for a period of time, and can charge storage fees.  Colorado has no such requirement; a landlord can dispose of  your stuff as soon as you're evicted.

The grocery owner abandoned his stuff.  The landlord owned it.  The cops were never in a position to say what could be done with the stuff.
 
2013-03-27 03:30:45 AM  

Amos Quito: doglover: Whoever decided to throw out the food into the landfill deserves to have their whole body slathered in icy hot with a double layer over the groin.


FTA: "Teresa Russell, chief deputy with the Marshal's Office, said the landlord, SunTrust Bank, was paying to have the displaced merchandise hauled away."


BANKERS. Should we be surprised?


Screw the Icy Hot. Bathe them in stinging nettle juice.


fark that. Dip 'em in honey and turn 'em loose in a locked cement room full of Africanized honey bee nests.

Blindfolded.

With their hands tied behind their backs.
 
2013-03-27 03:36:32 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.


20 years ago? I know an 80 year old man that still does it today. I used to help him every Saturday until I moved away.
 
2013-03-27 03:54:13 AM  
there is nothing wrong in this scenerio. piss on the beggers, get a job. piss on donations, get a job. crappy job, get an education, motivation, or god forbid - common sense.
 
2013-03-27 04:17:03 AM  

ReapTheChaos: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Grocery stores donate to food banks, homeless shelters, meals on wheels, etc. all the time. Day old bakery goods, items that are approaching their sell by date, produce and whatever else they have. Unless it's already spoiled it can and is donated.


BS.

It depends on the business and where you are.

I have known several people who survived lean times on dumpster diving.  Trader Joe's around here certainly didn't used to donate food - but before douchebags ruined it for people who *needed* it, the workers put one-day-expired, squished-box, etc. food in clean plastic bags separate from the bags of trash and spoiled food.  Clean bags full of one day old bread.  You took what you needed from that if you got there first, then passed it on to whoever showed up behind you.

When the SO lived at a co-op, we ate freaking amazingly for one summer when someone who worked at a small local fancy market and prepared food place lived there.  Homemade soups, veggies, sandwiches, quiches, whatever - if he didn't take them, they were getting tossed.  So the house got to share plenty of $8 per serving prepared meals because they were a day past expiration.

It's better than it was. Plenty of places used to "give away" stuff (read: toss in dumpster, look the other way if taken) and now they give directly to a non-profit who does all the legwork and I'm fairly sure assumes all the liability for them.  Five years ago, ha.

My first job was at a small independent French-German bakery, and *liability* was their biggest worry.  I took home all the fresh made bread and pastry I could and we were still - to my chagrin - throwing out huge amounts.

At one point they made a deal with a guy who volunteered at the homeless shelter.  Myself and the other closing shift worker put all the day old (again, entirely fresh and handmade) breads and pastries in plastic bags at 8 PM, and set them out the back door.  He came by and picked them up.  For all intents and purposes, we put it out for collection.   Covered (kind of) the store from liability (well... plausible deniability kind of) and people got food.

/I've seen a 5' x 8' x 3' freezer full to the brim of barely expired hard cheeses, bread, and tofu from Whole Foods/Trader Joes
//all dumpstered
///at least the co-op folks who went out to grab that stuff never - afaik and I was there on a very frequent clip - turned anyone down who asked for food.  Ever.
 
2013-03-27 04:31:18 AM  

the ha ha guy: kazikian: Were they hired though to enforce the eviction or to prevent "looting?" what was their business keeping people from taking the merch?


Part of enforcing the eviction means keeping the peace and protecting the property.

Would you argue that a police officer on hand for a home eviction shouldn't stop scavengers who try to steal furniture? Or should the police only ignore theft when people steal from a company?


All depends if the furniture is being thrown away or simply moved. The people involved cant take stuff off store shelves, but once it hits the curb... What's the problem.
On a more snide note,I actually don't care about theft from a company; fucj em.
 
2013-03-27 05:02:54 AM  

super_grass: Well yeah, it's a form of dumping and it's going to hurt the other grocers.

Robber barons maintained their monopolies the same way by destroying their competitors through selling things at a loss.


Yeah, the wares from some Korean market going to charity or being looted is going to shut down Wal-Mart.  It's exactly like dumping in every way.
 
2013-03-27 05:18:18 AM  

Richard C Stanford: This seems like something out of a dystopian novel.


Never heard of him. Was he kind of like dickens?
 
2013-03-27 05:29:28 AM  
Looting is Looting, it doesn't matter if its during a natural disaster or on the side of the midway.  You can be shot and killed.
Marshals did a favor.
 
2013-03-27 05:50:20 AM  
In the end, single cell microbes come out ahead on this one.
 
2013-03-27 06:00:31 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.


Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?
 
2013-03-27 06:21:35 AM  

DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?


Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.
 
2013-03-27 06:57:47 AM  

Weaver95: this country would rather see people go hungry than get a free can of soup.


Nobody goes hungry in America. Christ this is a dumb talking point. Our poor are too fat for crying out loud.
 
2013-03-27 07:03:37 AM  

scalpod: DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?

Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.


What? People who grab food from the sidewalk shouldn't be expecting the same quality food as when it is bought in the store. Any sane person knows that, so why not have people make their own choices with accompanying responsilities?
 
2013-03-27 07:03:58 AM  

wildcardjack: She said the tenant, Il Ki Choi, of Sun and Food LLC, could have avoided the commotion if he had moved out when notified by the court.


Puts me in mind of this bit of history...

[www.humanevents.com image 600x400]


I was thinking "To make room for a Wal-Mart" but there's one two miles away, other side of the river. I bet the reason she didn't coordinate better is that she was fighting the eviction for development.  There might actually be ground to fight that sort of eviction instead of nonpayment of rent.

/Never realized how small Augusta was until I had to Google Map it.


I'd just like to point out that having a Wal-Mart two miles away from a location doesn't necessarily mean that location won't be home to another Wal-Mart.
 
2013-03-27 07:16:12 AM  
Ah, southern Ohio. What a complete shiathole. Nothing but busted coal towns, meth heads, and dumbass crackers on welfare biatching about the "Evil Gubment."

/should have donated all goods/had firesale/whatever
 
2013-03-27 07:18:26 AM  
Income inequality isn't a big deal guys. Freedoms.
 
2013-03-27 07:40:39 AM  
The American Dream, circa 2013
 
2013-03-27 07:45:15 AM  

AbbeySomeone: blacksho89: AbbeySomeone: Skirl Hutsenreiter: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

Seriously?

Only 20 years ago I would volunteer collecting cases of expired bread and slightly limp lettuce from grocery stores for a food bank.

They most certainly they could've accepted their unexpired packaged items and fresh produce.

And for those who think food banks are all canned goods, Plant a Row organizes gardeners growing fresh produce for them.

There are many people that wait to demand and do nothing for themselves. Planting a garden is a simple example.Most food stamp programs will allow the purchase of seeds.

Yeah. They got big old backyards there in the apartment blocks. Plenty of room for a garden for everyone in the city.

Community gardens, rooftops, windowsills, etc. Hey _ Planning ahead!
Don't even try to give me this victim bullsh*t about too many kids and unfair city circumstances.


You have no idea what you're taking about.
 
2013-03-27 08:15:38 AM  

doglover: Amos Quito: doglover: rewind2846: Hence LAWSUITS. SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

I agree. Let's roll up all the lawyers in a big ball of twine and roll 'em into Canada and done with it.


Why do you hate Canada?

They know what they did.


It's the moose quarters, isn't it? Those Goddamn moose quarters that wind up in my change that the farking soda machine won't take and I can't spend anywhere.

I was in high school (in farking Florida) and got a moose quarter as change for lunch. The next day I tried paying with the damn thing, and the lunch lady wouldn't take it. I told her she's the farking one who gave it to me, and she said something like 'sorry 'bout yo bad luck, but I ain't taking no outta state (yes,' outta state') monies'. I was 20 cents short for a milkshake. Fark you and your moose, Canada.

/besides, moose bites can be nasti.
 
2013-03-27 08:28:36 AM  
Here's the problem under that particular situation. This also applies to "freegans" who get bruised bananas and slightly out of date canned food from grocery store garbage cans...

Liability. If someone were to be injured or made sick by the food that was destined to be thrown away, someone, somewhere could be held liable. In today's litigious society, no one is going to run that risk. No signing of a waiver is going to fix that either.

If the owner of the store had decided to donate all of the stock inside to local  food banks, problem would have been solved, because the food bank then takes the responsibility in case someone gets a bad can of pork and beans. Although in most states, food banks and the like are protected under good samaritan laws.

It is a shame that all that (probably still good) food went to waste, but it wasn't the bank or the cop's responsibility to distribute that. If you are evicted from anywhere, whoever evicted you has the reasonable expectation for you to clean the place out. Or at least make arrangements for it, and not have to deal with your busted ass couch and fridge full of whatever.

This guy just said "fark it" and bailed. He's the one who didn't make arrangements for the massive tax write off by giving away the inventory he could not do anything else with. So he's an idiot and a jerk, and the one responsible. Cops were only there to keep "order" while cleaning crews did the job the guy should have done previously.

Either that, or the guy knew how this was going to go down, and was giving everyone in the neighborhood the middle finger for not shopping in his store and causing it to fail anyways.
 
2013-03-27 08:40:31 AM  

the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.


Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite
 
2013-03-27 08:40:39 AM  

Weaver95: Amos Quito:
I wonder what would happen if Sun Trust Bank were evicted? Would they throw all the cash dumpsters and haul it to the incinerator?

No, they'd get a public bail out, fire most of their staff and then the elites would give themselves bonus checks and pay raises while jacking user fees and complaining about 'socialisms'.


The cash inside the bank, and in fact the cash in your wallet right now belongs to the federal government. What you possess is basically a promissory note saying that the feds will back that piece of paper.

The feds can change currency at any time, like phasing out $1 bills and replacing it with coins. This makes the $1 bill worthless when the govt decides to stop honoring it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-27 08:51:27 AM  
HempHead: You are slightly confused about how much policeman make.

I quoted the figure for my area with a slight discount based on relative cost of living.

If you need a detail officer in Massachusetts you have to pay for a minimum four hour shift, at around $25-$35 per hour plus 10% overhead for the city. Unions own the government so you need a detail officer for a lot of things.
 
2013-03-27 09:02:35 AM  

MythDragon: It's the moose quarters, isn't it? Those Goddamn moose quarters that wind up in my change that the farking soda machine won't take and I can't spend anywhere.

I was in high school (in farking Florida) and got a moose quarter as change for lunch. The next day I tried paying with the damn thing, and the lunch lady wouldn't take it. I told her she's the farking one who gave it to me, and she said something like 'sorry 'bout yo bad luck, but I ain't taking no outta state (yes,' outta state') monies'. I was 20 cents short for a milkshake. Fark you and your moose, Canada.

/besides, moose bites can be nasti.


And to think, that moose quarter was taken to Florida by the hand of someone from MI or another northern border state, for the same reason they couldn't spend it in their home state.  It is common for Canadian change to bounce from stores to customers this way.  Even the major chains do this to there customers, I had this very same thing happen to me.  You would think with the present exchange rate they would take Canadian with a smile at US$ value then turn them in.
 
2013-03-27 09:28:57 AM  

pueblonative: Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?


It actually doesn't matter whether the jury verdict is upheld or not, the goal is to cost the victims of crimes an insane amount of money defending themselves from lawsuits in court, as vengeance for doing anything to defend themselves. The Church of Scientology and the Westboro Baptist Church survive on this, pouring freely donated money into filing lawsuits that will never make it in any sane court but have the desired effect of forcing the targets to pony up a matching amount to avoid being found guilty anyway by default for not hiring a defense attorney.

/and before anyone complains this is unfair, it was actually set up this way intentionally so victims of injustice could do the same if their cause was sufficiently popular to gather enough donations to bleed the corporations and/or banks that victimized them dry, regardless of how the courts ruled
//because everybody knows courts can be bribed and judges can be bought by those evil bankers
 
2013-03-27 09:38:53 AM  
I'm unsurprised.  I remember when I worked at CVS and two ladies were fired for stealing-- one because she took an expired box of cereal from the trash, and the other because she didn't report her.  I remember thinking that was really  stupid-- they were just going to throw the food out anyway, even if it was perfectly good.  "You HAVE to let us throw it away, because if you don't, it's stealing."  Okaaaaay.
 
2013-03-27 10:04:18 AM  

pueblonative: the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.

Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite


Bodine v. Enterprise High School

Ricky Bodine was a 19-year-old high-school graduate who, with three other friends (one of whom had a criminal record), decided the night of March 1, 1982, to steal a floodlight from the roof of the Enterprise High School gymnasium. Ricky climbed the roof, removed the floodlight, lowered it to the ground to his friends, and, as he was walking across the roof (perhaps to steal a second floodlight), he fell through the skylight. Bodine suffered terrible injuries to be sure, though one questions the relevance: if the school is legally responsible for burglars' safety, it doesn't matter whether Bodine stubbed a toe or, as actually happened, became a spastic quadriplegic. But I fail to see what it is that reformers are supposedly misrepresenting. A burglar fell through a skylight, and sued the owner of the skylight for his injuries. Bodine sued for $8 million (in 1984 dollars, about $16 million today) and settled for the nuisance sum of $260,000 plus $1200/month for life, about the equivalent of a million dollars in conservatively-estimated 2006 present value.

In other words, a burglar fell through a skylight, and blamed the skylight's owners for his injuries; because the law permits such suits, and because the law does not compensate defendants for successful defenses, Bodine had the ability to extort hundreds of thousands of dollars from taxpayers for injuries suffered in the course of his own criminal behavior.

-http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-anothe r-d ebunking-that-isnt/
 
2013-03-27 11:48:08 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ReapTheChaos:Grocery stores donate to food banks, homeless shelters, meals on wheels, etc. all the time. Day old bakery goods, items that are approaching their sell by date, produce and whatever else they have. Unless it's already spoiled it can and is donated.

BS.

It depends on the business and where you are.

I have known several people who survived lean times on dumpster diving.  Trader Joe's around here certainly didn't used to donate food - but before douchebags ruined it for people who *needed* it, the workers put one-day-expired, squished-box, etc. food in clean plastic bags separate from the bags of trash and spoiled food.  Clean bags full of one day old bread.  You took what you needed from that if you got there first, then passed it on to whoever showed up behind you.

When the SO lived at a co-op, we ate freaking amazingly for one summer when someone who worked at a small local fancy market and prepared food place lived there.  Homemade soups, veggies, sandwiches, quiches, whatever - if he didn't take them, they were getting tossed.  So the house got to share plenty of $8 per serving prepared meals because they were a day past expiration.

It's better than it was. Plenty of places used to "give away" stuff (read: toss in dumpster, look the other way if taken) and now they give directly to a non-profit who does all the legwork and I'm fairly sure assumes all the liability for them.  Five years ago, ha.

My first job was at a small independent French-German bakery, and *liability* was their biggest worry.  I took home all the fresh made bread and pastry I could and we were still - to my chagrin - throwing out huge amounts.

At one point they made a deal with a guy who volunteered at t ...


Just because the couple places you're aware of don't donate their excess doesn't make what I said bull shiat. Do you honestly think these food banks keep their shelves stocked with the two cans of green beans you donate when your local (fill in the blank) is doing its annual food drive? Most of their inventory comes from grocery stores, bakeries, farmers markets etc. There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.
 
2013-03-27 11:52:55 AM  
As a protest everyone should go into their local Sun Trust Bank and puke on the floor.
 
2013-03-27 12:24:59 PM  
wildcardjack:
/Never realized how small Augusta was until I had to Google Map it.

It's actually not that small. I guess that's a matter of perspective though.
 
2013-03-27 02:15:23 PM  
http://www2.nbc26.tv/news/2013/mar/27/evicted-grocers-food-will-be-don ated-charity-ar-5872373/

"Apparently the food left out front of an evicted grocer's store was destined for charity after all.

According to Golden Harvest Food Bank, the food was taken away but put in storage, with the eventual plan to get it to those in need.
"


So for all you "it was outside so it's mine fark you" people, these scavengers really did steal food from a charity.
 
2013-03-27 02:46:24 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: This is obscene.

So they would rather have people go hungry than to not be able to sell food they were throwing away anyhow.....because they couldn't sell it and make money off of hungry people.

GOOOO CAPITALISM!


If you think this is the result of capitalism then you clearly dont understand what the word capitalism means.
 
2013-03-27 03:52:46 PM  
Wasting perfectly good food just peeves me off like crazy.

But I still like buffets.

The whole world's a dilemma.
 
2013-03-27 06:10:51 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.


Strange. Why can't/aren't the stores themselves protected by the same laws?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-27 06:40:46 PM  
fredklein

In my state liability of a charity for negligence is capped at $20,000, or $100,000 for medical malpractice. They used to be immune from suit. The exemption only applies to charities, not to charitable acts by businesses.

Other states may have similar laws.
 
2013-03-27 08:52:07 PM  

fredklein: ReapTheChaos: There is no "liability" because it's passed on to the food bank who are in turn protected by good samaritan laws.

Strange. Why can't/aren't the stores themselves protected by the same laws?


Because those are evil corporations that don't deserve to be protected, of course.

/doesn't matter if it's true or not
//we decided that justice isn't allowed to be blind any more
///problem is, justice that can see is justice that can be misdirected by smoke and mirrors... and now smoke and mirrors is the only way to get justice to find in your favor, whether right or wrong
 
2013-03-27 09:36:34 PM  

Tatterdemalian: pueblonative: Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?

It actually doesn't matter whether the jury verdict is upheld or not, the goal is to cost the victims of crimes an insane amount of money defending themselves from lawsuits in court, as vengeance for doing anything to defend themselves. The Church of Scientology and the Westboro Baptist Church survive on this, pouring freely donated money into filing lawsuits that will never make it in any sane court but have the desired effect of forcing the targets to pony up a matching amount to avoid being found guilty anyway by default for not hiring a defense attorney.

/and before anyone complains this is unfair, it was actually set up this way intentionally so victims of injustice could do the same if their cause was sufficiently popular to gather enough donations to bleed the corporations and/or banks that victimized them dry, regardless of how the courts ruled
//because everybody knows courts can be bribed and judges can be bought by those evil bankers


This of course ignores the fact that there are any number of ways to dismiss a lawsuit before it even sees the light of day.    And your complaints suggest reforming the legal system to bring costs under control not diminishing people's right to seek redress in court for legitimate injuries.

And nothing anybody says after the phrase "everybody knows" has any basis anywhere except in the fevered imagination of dimwits.
 
2013-03-27 09:49:06 PM  

fredklein: pueblonative: the ha ha guy: TV's Vinnie: That excuse don't hold water, simply because the food was officially abandoned and therefore, no one owned it.


In a perfect world, that's how the law should work.

In reality, burglars sue homeowners if they get hurt while breaking in.

Until the justice system is scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up, limiting/eliminating liability is going to be the number one concern for anything a business does, good or bad.

Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?  And no, "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: LEGAL OUTRAGE ARRRGHHHH!" does not count as a case cite

Bodine v. Enterprise High School

Ricky Bodine was a 19-year-old high-school graduate who, with three other friends (one of whom had a criminal record), decided the night of March 1, 1982, to steal a floodlight from the roof of the Enterprise High School gymnasium. Ricky climbed the roof, removed the floodlight, lowered it to the ground to his friends, and, as he was walking across the roof (perhaps to steal a second floodlight), he fell through the skylight. Bodine suffered terrible injuries to be sure, though one questions the relevance: if the school is legally responsible for burglars' safety, it doesn't matter whether Bodine stubbed a toe or, as actually happened, became a spastic quadriplegic. But I fail to see what it is that reformers are supposedly misrepresenting. A burglar fell through a skylight, and sued the owner of the skylight for his injuries. Bodine sued for $8 million (in 1984 dollars, about $16 million today) and settled for the nuisance sum of $260,000 plus $1200/month for life, about the equivalent of a million dollars in conservatively-estimated 2006 present value.

In other words, a burglar fell through a skylight, and blamed the skylight's owners for his injuries; because the law permits such suits, and because the law does not ...


Ah, yes, Bodine,  The one in which a teenager pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).And you might want to get an example that isn't pushing 30 years old and had a law passed preventing this verdict in the future.
 
2013-03-27 10:14:45 PM  

pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager


19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.
 
2013-03-27 10:37:29 PM  
Saw picture of said crowd earlier today.

Said to myself; Don't bother submitting link.

/ain't one of them going home hungry
//they all going home empty handed
///looters, but I love the pillow cases
 
2013-03-27 11:07:43 PM  

fredklein: pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager

19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.


My original post:
Really?  Got an example (with case cite) of that happening successfully, and the jury verdict going for the burglar being upheld all the way through the appeals process?

It was settled by the school, not held up with a jury verdict.
 
2013-03-28 12:28:31 AM  

fredklein: pueblonative: Ah, yes, Bodine, The one in which a teenager

19, while still technically "a teenager", is over the age of majority. Your attempt to portray him as a child rather than an adult is... denied.

pulling a prank is turned into a burglar (even though he never intended to enter the premises).

Did he have permission to enter school property? Then the was trespassing.
Did he have permission to take a flood light? Then he was stealing.

Hmm-. trespassing in order to steal... sounds like burglary to me.

By the way, the link I quoted was a direct response to the one you posted. So.. yeah.


That was California, right? See anything here about trespassing? Link
He didn't enter the building with the intent of committing any crime because his entry to the building was entirely accidental.
 
2013-03-28 12:45:00 AM  
No one made light of this guy's last name yet, Lt. Calvin Chew.
 
2013-03-28 09:50:54 AM  

pdee: If you think this is the result of capitalism then you clearly dont understand what the word capitalism means.


We all understand what it used to mean.  It's like "liberal" or "conservative".  It started out with a textbook meaning and now it's just another filthy rag to cover a whore's ass.
 
2013-03-28 03:20:12 PM  

DerAppie: scalpod: DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: jimmyego: Having worked in management for various food related businesses, thrown out food is never to be eaten, donated or otherwise.  Even if the bankrupt grocery store cannot be held responsible (police perhaps?), someone will get sick off a can of soup and then its....

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

And why can't the evicted owner be held responsible?

Cops have qualified immunity when performing their lawful duties.

Why can't the person eating sidewalk soup be held responsible?

Hard determinism. Thanks, Skinner.

What? People who grab food from the sidewalk shouldn't be expecting the same quality food as when it is bought in the store. Any sane person knows that, so why not have people make their own choices with accompanying responsilities?


It was a joke about people who believe in determinism, in which case everything's a result of a causal chain of events nobody has control over therefore nobody has control (freewill) and nobody can be held responsible for anything. Of course, following this logic you can't be blamed for having no sense of humor either, so there you have it.
 
2013-03-29 08:29:51 AM  

ProfessorOhki: He didn't enter the building with the intent of committing any crime because his entry to the building was entirely accidental.


Climbing onto someone's roof without permission isn't trespassing?? Interesting.
 
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