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2013-03-26 07:49:43 PM
www.gnregistry.org
Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE
 
2013-03-26 07:53:09 PM
What about my father's Oldsmobile, my college roommate's Geo or my cousin's Saturn?
 
2013-03-26 07:58:24 PM
I'd take a Rocket 88 any day of the week.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:33 PM

Tom_Slick: Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE


I did a GIS for 2014 Buick and whoever is in charge of design should really have taken a look at that if they want to attract a younger demographic.
 
2013-03-26 08:38:22 PM
They should have bought Jaguar from Ford instead.
 
2013-03-26 08:49:32 PM
Growing up in the 70s, it was always "my fathers Buick".

/loved the Rocket 88
 
2013-03-26 08:49:34 PM

Hagbardr: my cousin's Saturn


Don't be knocking the old Saturns, before GM screwed them up.
 
2013-03-26 08:58:44 PM

timujin: I did a GIS for 2014 Buick and whoever is in charge of design should really have taken a look at that if they want to attract a younger demographic.


Me too, GM has developed a Turbo V6 for the new CTS, they have the engine and the platform now please give us a new Grand National.
 
2013-03-26 09:10:11 PM

Tom_Slick: [www.gnregistry.org image 850x572]
Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE


Geez. What a horrendously ugly car. Plenty of other cars designed around that time that were way better looking. Sorry, personal taste and all, I know.
 
2013-03-26 09:19:24 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Tom_Slick: [www.gnregistry.org image 850x572]
Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE

Geez. What a horrendously ugly car. Plenty of other cars designed around that time that were way better looking. Sorry, personal taste and all, I know.


To me, it was known as the "Box" era.

/ much better designs have come and gone.
 
2013-03-26 09:27:06 PM
I must be getting old. If I needed a new car, I'd be looking at that car that Peyton Manning was driving around. That's pretty neat.
 
2013-03-26 10:00:36 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Tom_Slick: [www.gnregistry.org image 850x572]
Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE

Geez. What a horrendously ugly car. Plenty of other cars designed around that time that were way better looking. Sorry, personal taste and all, I know.


It was a better version of the Monte Carlo at that point.

Miami Vice fans can appreciate the lines.
 
2013-03-26 10:54:12 PM
I would like to see GM redesign the g-body style like how Dodge brought back the Challenger and Ford with the Mustang. But the new Camero does nothing for me. Chevy does have the SS due out at the end of the year. Like other have been saying they have the pieces to bring back the Grand National. I read they did renew the copyright to the GN name but that could just be that no other company uses GN branding.
 
2013-03-26 11:00:30 PM

Hagbardr: What about my father's Oldsmobile, my college roommate's Geo or my cousin's Saturn?


The back seat is just fine in all of them IMHO.
 
2013-03-26 11:41:45 PM
To me, it'll always be "the pool guy's Pontiac".  Though why he always thought the De Ville had a big-ass bird across the hood I will never know...
 
2013-03-26 11:42:37 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: PC LOAD LETTER: Tom_Slick: [www.gnregistry.org image 850x572]
Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE

Geez. What a horrendously ugly car. Plenty of other cars designed around that time that were way better looking. Sorry, personal taste and all, I know.


Sorry, sir. You know not of what you speak.  Twasn't the looks of that car. Those who know.. Know. Thats all.

 
2013-03-26 11:43:56 PM
Ugh. Got a Buick as a rental a while back, and it was like driving a grandfather clock. Horrible.

But yeah, a GNS would be incredible.
 
2013-03-26 11:45:04 PM
also, an Olds Cutlass or preferably a Monte Carlo SS
 
2013-03-26 11:46:53 PM
Buicks are solid vehicles.  I don't understand the scorn.
 
2013-03-26 11:47:14 PM
Personally, I don't understand why they axed Pontiac and kept Buick. If anything, it should've been the other way around. Of course, Pontiac was dumb enough to make the new GTO like a more expensive Grand Prix, completely ignoring its heritage.. then the new Mustang ate their lunch. Still, between the two brands, it's pretty obvious which one makes one think of Grandpa.
 
2013-03-26 11:50:33 PM
the ultimate Buick:

www.richardandkarencarpenter.com

1965 Riviera Gran Sport.

If only your grandfather had one...

NSCSB:  dozen years ago when I was broke ran across one for $2500 in cherry shape - could not scrape up the cash fast enough [crying.jpg]
 
2013-03-26 11:54:53 PM

Tom_Slick: Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE


My father had one of those. I wasn't allowed to drive it very often, but I loved it and wished he hadn't sold it.

My mother used to drive a Century that also had very good acceleration. It was no sports car, nor was it a muscle car but it was cheaper than a Cadillac and almost as luxurious.

Buicks are nice.
 
2013-03-26 11:56:54 PM
In 1984, GM sold 942,000 Buicks in the U.S

That's rather amazing to think about.  I was alive then and I still think it's crazy to imagine twice as many Buicks sold in 1984 as F-150s sold in 2013.  I suppose they sold a lot of Regals as those were pretty ubiquitous back in the day.

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They probably sold a lot of Builiers (Cavalicks) too.
 
2013-03-26 11:58:35 PM
Import the Chinese desings
 
2013-03-27 12:02:27 AM

NightSteel: Personally, I don't understand why they axed Pontiac and kept Buick. If anything, it should've been the other way around. Of course, Pontiac was dumb enough to make the new GTO like a more expensive Grand Prix, completely ignoring its heritage.. then the new Mustang ate their lunch. Still, between the two brands, it's pretty obvious which one makes one think of Grandpa.


Because of those 700,000 sales in China. The wealthy Chinese want Buicks because of their American-ness. You can't use that as a selling point if you aren't selling Buicks in America.

Of course, if they'd build and sell the China-only Park Avenue in America, it would probably outsell the entire remainder of Buick's current lineup. CAFE keeps that car out of America.
 
2013-03-27 12:04:48 AM
I learned to drive on Buicks.  For  some reason, the local dealership loaned eight brand new ones to my high school drivers Ed program.  All models.  It was a pretty fun class.  I also learned that Buicks can take a beating, drive pretty nice with okay acceleration.  But man are those thing ugly.


The reason Pontiac died and Buick didn't is because Buick is the number on car in china.  I've heard the recent ones don't break down like the rest of GMs lineup, but the Chinese are the only people that don't think they are ugly as butts.
 
2013-03-27 12:09:16 AM

Tom_Slick: timujin: I did a GIS for 2014 Buick and whoever is in charge of design should really have taken a look at that if they want to attract a younger demographic.

Me too, GM has developed a Turbo V6 for the new CTS, they have the engine and the platform now please give us a new Grand National.


Patience. It's coming.
 
2013-03-27 12:10:04 AM
Okay, I should have been more specific.. I understand Buick's China popularity. But my latent gearhead still wishes there were a retro-styled GTO, and Pontiac did a fair job of making cars that weren't stodgy, at least up until its last few years.
 
2013-03-27 12:14:34 AM

Rapmaster2000: In 1984, GM sold 942,000 Buicks in the U.S

That's rather amazing to think about.  I was alive then and I still think it's crazy to imagine twice as many Buicks sold in 1984 as F-150s sold in 2013.  I suppose they sold a lot of Regals as those were pretty ubiquitous back in the day.


They probably sold a lot of Builiers (Cavalicks) too.


It was called the Skyhawk and it sold 134,000 copies in 1984.

Recall: In 1984, the vast majority of people were driving domestic brand cars as their primary transportation. Only farmers bought pickup trucks, almost nobody owned SUVs, and Japanese cars were just starting to reach flyover country - at the time it was difficult to even get a Toyota serviced outside of the big cities, let alone find one to buy. This all changed during Reagan's second term, but 1984 was pretty much the beginning of the end for the Detroit 3's dominance in car sales.
 
2013-03-27 12:14:57 AM
Yeah, GM thinks that Buick is on par with Lexus.

Never gonna happen GM.
 
2013-03-27 12:17:57 AM
i own a 2001 park ave ultra, supercharged.

the only thing wrong with it is that it's front wheel drive.
 
2013-03-27 12:22:42 AM
I love my 2005 LaCrosse, also loved my 1990 LeSabre.

/Why yes I'm pushing 60, how can you tell?
 
2013-03-27 12:34:10 AM
i still want one. don't seem 'em around no more, no more. piles of rust at alter's by now, i guess
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2013-03-27 12:38:21 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-27 12:54:56 AM
Given that Buick turned itself into Opel and Far Eastern rebrands, this should not be surprising.   They should have reintroduced Oldsmobile as a tech-heavy Buick/Pontiac substitute solely for the US, and let Europe/Asia turn Buick into whatever abomination they want.

The universe is laughing behind your back: Because of those 700,000 sales in China. The wealthy Chinese want Buicks because of their American-ness. You can't use that as a selling point if you aren't selling Buicks in America.


I didnt know Opel or Daewoo were American, since that is about what Buick makes.  Last time I checked, none of those brands (including Buick) were anything other than a bland saltine cracker of a global car.  If you're going to build the car the American way, efficiency doesn't trump power - which means the I-4 and its entire drivetrain has to go to fit at least a V6/I6 - and that offering more car per dollar isn't a cardinal sin.

The Chinese might as well buy an Audi or a VW since they're as American as a modern-day Buick, and that
 
2013-03-27 12:56:39 AM

NightSteel: Okay, I should have been more specific.. I understand Buick's China popularity. But my latent gearhead still wishes there were a retro-styled GTO, and Pontiac did a fair job of making cars that weren't stodgy, at least up until its last few years.


About the only place you're going to get that is through Holden.
 
2013-03-27 01:53:10 AM
It's a conundrum ... the population is aging, so you'd think in retrospect that it was a good idea for GM to retain Buick, an "aging" person's type of car.
Yet when the company talks actual sales, it aims for young buyers.
Perhaps killing off Pontiac was indeed a boneheaded move. The brand could have been re-directed with some mid-level luxuries, AND retained sports qualities, too. Then Cadillac could have quietly started selling some less-expensive models to catch the old Buick crowd.

/still waiting for the car fairy to leave me a 1969 Chrysler Imperial under my pillow.
 
2013-03-27 02:04:25 AM
GMs brands have been screwed.

The way the execs though it worked:
Chevy (nee Geo) was entry level, youngest
Pontiac was your next step up and muscle car
Buick was something between a sports and Luxury car
Cadillac was the luxury line.

Since pontiac was shut, Buicks are being pushed into the muscle car space.
 
2013-03-27 02:33:07 AM

sethstorm: I didnt know Opel or Daewoo were American


The Buick LaCrosse was rebranded Daewoo Alpheon for South Korea, it's a global market now.
Opel has been tied with Buick for decades.
The ole bash everything US trope is played out, do try to keep up.
 
2013-03-27 04:27:08 AM
Old school like Olde English in that brown paper bag,
I'm rollin' in that same whip that my granddad had...
 
2013-03-27 05:22:47 AM
My first car, which I got in the summer of 1990 was a 1983 Buick Regal.  The car seen in the upper right was a 1976 El Camino my Father had at the time.

i273.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-27 05:46:33 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: My first car, which I got in the summer of 1990 was a 1983 Buick Regal.  The car seen in the upper right was a 1976 El Camino my Father had at the time.

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A little off topic, but my first car was my dads `76 El Camino SS. Still have it and will never sell it.

Re-branding Buick will be tough for GM, and I really hope they've learned from the mistakes of the last 25 years. Pontiac was moving in the right direction when they canned it. I still want a G8
 
2013-03-27 06:24:50 AM

el_pilgrim: I still want a G8


A Farkin-men!

But I'll settle for a Bonneville with the North Star engine.
 
2013-03-27 07:03:16 AM

Omahawg: i still want one. don't seem 'em around no more, no more. piles of rust at alter's by now, i guess


My dad had one of those. Drove it until 1985 when it just about fell apart like the Bluesmobile. It leaked on your legs when it rained, and nobody could tell what color it was anymore. Complete rust bucket. Towards the end it had no heat.

My dad was a college prof and he enjoyed going out after rainstorms when Hondas and Toyotas wouldn't start but this car would. Never worried about door dings either.

They did do a 67 on Overhauling.
 
2013-03-27 07:32:56 AM
Forget that. For me Buicks will always be my dad's Skylark that caught on fire in front of. The house wen I was a kid that nearly burned the house down when the fire got to the gas tank and it exploded. Wasn't bombed or. Anything, he was just letting it warm up before he went to work one day back in 89.
 
2013-03-27 07:34:06 AM
Wow, I. He me horrible punctuation. Sor.rry about that
 
2013-03-27 07:56:44 AM

timujin: Tom_Slick: Grampa, can I borrow your Buick PLEASE

I did a GIS for 2014 Buick and whoever is in charge of design should really have taken a look at that if they want to attract a younger demographic.


Younger people do not want to drive boxes.
 
2013-03-27 08:35:14 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Younger people do not want to drive boxes.


The designers of the Scion xB would like a word with you.
 
2013-03-27 08:35:21 AM

The universe is laughing behind your back: NightSteel: Personally, I don't understand why they axed Pontiac and kept Buick. If anything, it should've been the other way around. Of course, Pontiac was dumb enough to make the new GTO like a more expensive Grand Prix, completely ignoring its heritage.. then the new Mustang ate their lunch. Still, between the two brands, it's pretty obvious which one makes one think of Grandpa.

Because of those 700,000 sales in China. The wealthy Chinese want Buicks because of their American-ness. You can't use that as a selling point if you aren't selling Buicks in America.

Of course, if they'd build and sell the China-only Park Avenue in America, it would probably outsell the entire remainder of Buick's current lineup. CAFE keeps that car out of America.


Buick was the official car of the last Chinese emperor and Sun Yat Sen

Buick has been successful in targeting younger buyers with its new models. In 2009 the average age of a Buick buyer was 72, now it is 57. The average age of an American car buyer is 51.

Buick is the only car brand that trended lower in buyer age from 2007 to 2011.
 
2013-03-27 08:40:14 AM
The new Regal is a decent car, actually.
 
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