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(Talking Points Memo)   Scalia: 'Gay couples make bad parents. It's science'   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-03-26 06:26:14 PM  
This case is everything i want it to be. This is going to be the next Roe v. Wade, I can assure you of that.
 
2013-03-26 06:27:15 PM  
there's considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not

Bullsh*t.

And wasn't this one of the same arguments against interracial marriage?
 
2013-03-26 06:28:09 PM  
Not true.

Gays make fabulous parents.
 
2013-03-26 06:28:09 PM  
Sadly, the headline doesn't lie....
 
2013-03-26 06:28:30 PM  
In b4 links to studies that show he doesn't know WTF he's talking about on this.
 
2013-03-26 06:28:38 PM  
"If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples," he said, "you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there's considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not. Some states do not permit adoption by same-sex couples for that reason."

"I don't think we know the answer to that," he said. "Do you know the answer to that, whether it harms or helps the child? ... That's a possible deleterious effect, isn't it?"


Weren't their similar arguments made about intra-racial couples?
 
2013-03-26 06:29:41 PM  
My brothers and I grew up having heterosexual parents. They really farked up. I've been in therapy for decades.
 
2013-03-26 06:30:18 PM  
"Not what was actually said" trifecta now in play.
 
2013-03-26 06:30:46 PM  
None of my friends seem to have suffered.

And considering some of my godchildren were adopted out of the foster-care system, I'd have to say 'gay parents' sure as fark beats 'no parents.'
 
2013-03-26 06:30:51 PM  
I've really come to enjoy his work, now that I know he's just maximum trolling.
 
2013-03-26 06:31:44 PM  
During Supreme Court arguments Tuesday on whether gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry, Justice Antonin Scalia wondered if having parents of the same sex may be "harmful" to children.

It isn't any more than same-sex couples, dickhead. Grow the hell up.
 
2013-03-26 06:31:48 PM  
No, not science, semantics-

1) Parents are defined as a man(father) and a woman(mother)
2) Gay marriages don't include a man and a woman
3) Therefore, gays make horrible parents

See? It all makes sense (if you have no brain)

/fark these backwards assholes.
 
2013-03-26 06:31:53 PM  

fusillade762: there's considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not

Bullsh*t.

And wasn't this one of the same arguments against interracial marriage?


Indeed. Way to prove to everyone that you really are stuck in the 18th century there, tony scales
 
2013-03-26 06:32:35 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples," he said, "you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there's considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not. Some states do not permit adoption by same-sex couples for that reason."

"I don't think we know the answer to that," he said. "Do you know the answer to that, whether it harms or helps the child? ... That's a possible deleterious effect, isn't it?"

Weren't their similar arguments made about intra-racial couples?


and they were right.. interracial couples are crap parents.. just ask anyone who believes it..  >.>
 
2013-03-26 06:32:47 PM  

Wadded Beef: During Supreme Court arguments Tuesday on whether gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry, Justice Antonin Scalia wondered if having parents of the same sex may be "harmful" to children.

It isn't any more than same-sex couples, dickhead. Grow the hell up.


Er, any more than straight couples. You know what I mean.
 
2013-03-26 06:35:26 PM  
After reading the "Stupid things Scalia's said about gays" link a few down (and slamming my head against the wall until the rage subsided a bit) I think it's pretty clear he's already made up his neanderthal mind on the subject.

I'm sorry, that was probably an unfair thing to say about neanderthals.
 
2013-03-26 06:35:28 PM  
Because heterosexual couples never produce f*cked up kids
 
2013-03-26 06:37:44 PM  
Gonna be wayyyyyy tooo farking funny when SCOTUS goes 5-4 AGAINST the ghey marriage!

"I'm gonna move!"
 
2013-03-26 06:38:10 PM  
"I don't think we know the answer to that," he said. "Do you know the answer to that, whether it harms or helps the child? ... That's a possible deleterious effect, isn't it?"

Why should this even be part of the issue? Either marriage is a civil right subject to 14th amendment equal protection/substantive due process or it's not and whether two people of the same sex are being denied equal protection/substantive due process by being denied a state-sanctioned marriage license. That's what you're supposed to figure out, not whether same sex parents are worse for children than no parents or whatever.
 
2013-03-26 06:38:17 PM  
Well I suppose he can try to rule that all of the studies that show the exact opposite are illegal or unconstitional infringements on his right to be a bigot.
 
2013-03-26 06:38:22 PM  
Yeah, pretty sure there are studies out there that shows Scalia to be full of bullshiat.

Oh look, I can find multiple studies, with peer review, that say that exact thing. As well as studies that point out that this happens despite increased scrutiny and harsher judgement of same sex parental units as opposed to heterosexual units.

Took all of 30 seconds to find the studies and abstracts. And despite the fact there are 2-3 studies that say the opposite (funnily enough they haven't been published to a real journal or gone through a good peer review) I don't understand why the lawyer didn't have them ready for his response.
 
2013-03-26 06:38:38 PM  
Only way I'd believe him is if we found out Scalia himself were raised by gay parents.  Because his parents must have been horrible.
 
2013-03-26 06:39:23 PM  

diaphoresis: nterracial couples are crap parents


Obama's were.
 
2013-03-26 06:39:58 PM  
Really?  He argues that the "jury is out" on whether same sex adoption is harmful?

I, for one, would like Scalia to show me evidence that marriage itself isn't harmful.  I was married once, and I was damaged for life.
 
2013-03-26 06:42:30 PM  

Mrbogey: "Not what was actually said" trifecta now in play.


Yeah, right. You'd like to believe that's not what he actually said.
 
2013-03-26 06:47:09 PM  

fusillade762: After reading the "Stupid things Scalia's said about gays" link a few down (and slamming my head against the wall until the rage subsided a bit) I think it's pretty clear he's already made up his neanderthal mind on the subject.

I'm sorry, that was probably an unfair thing to say about neanderthals.


Considering what I learned in my anthropology classes, it's quite likely Neanderthals were more tolerant of same-sex relations or alternative gender roles than Scalia is.

/just because we're like this today, means we must have been like this always  *sigh*
 
2013-03-26 06:47:50 PM  
Man, this is going great. He's going to marginalize himself out of relevancy on this to appease his GOP masters.
 
2013-03-26 06:48:08 PM  
i1172.photobucket.com

also, lesbian couples have a 167% greater chance of divorce within 10 years IIRC. can we give gay people marriage without adoption? that seems like a good comprimise?
 
2013-03-26 06:48:19 PM  
imageshack.us

I read it. In a book.
 
2013-03-26 06:48:23 PM  
There's pretty overwhelming evidence that children of Asian lesbian couples beat everyone else in virtually every metric, from low crime rates to eduction levels to incomes.

We should ban everyone from breeding but Asian lesbians. FOR THE CHILDREN.
 
2013-03-26 06:51:21 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

also, lesbian couples have a 167% greater chance of divorce within 10 years IIRC. can we give gay people marriage without adoption? that seems like a good comprimise?


I wonder how these stats would be skewed had the Lesbian mothers been allowed to marry.
 
2013-03-26 06:52:12 PM  
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2013-03-26 06:53:44 PM  

msupf: Yeah, pretty sure there are studies out there that shows Scalia to be full of bullshiat.

Oh look, I can find multiple studies, with peer review, that say that exact thing. As well as studies that point out that this happens despite increased scrutiny and harsher judgement of same sex parental units as opposed to heterosexual units.

Took all of 30 seconds to find the studies and abstracts. And despite the fact there are 2-3 studies that say the opposite (funnily enough they haven't been published to a real journal or gone through a good peer review) I don't understand why the lawyer didn't have them ready for his response.



Not only that, but there's a more fundamental issue here that I haven't heard mentioned. Constitutionality is not determined by what's considered more or less harmful to society - and he seems to be arguing the opposite.

The price for living in a free society is that we willingly abdicate some safety and predictability. It would be safer and more stable to build a society like China that discards many of the rights we have (just check their crime stats per capita vs. ours), but it would be wrong. So whether or not it is healthier for kids or not is 100% irrelevant.
 
2013-03-26 06:53:57 PM  
unrepentantoldhippie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-26 06:54:16 PM  

msupf: Took all of 30 seconds to find the studies and abstracts. And despite the fact there are 2-3 studies that say the opposite (funnily enough they haven't been published to a real journal or gone through a good peer review) I don't understand why the lawyer didn't have them ready for his response.


I bet they are under the supervision of the APA. Which would be a good thing, until you forget that APA was in favor of torture and also in the case of  Rind et al (1998) even though was correct scientifically they (APA) announced publicly that such results are unacceptable. Go figure, science being influenced by politics. No way!

So Scalia would be advised to be very careful, since science can and is very politicized.

And the rest of you should not Google abstracts of papers when you don't understand what a mediator /Moderator / regression coeff. is.
 
2013-03-26 06:55:12 PM  

msupf: Yeah, pretty sure there are studies out there that shows Scalia to be full of bullshiat.

Oh look, I can find multiple studies, with peer review, that say that exact thing. As well as studies that point out that this happens despite increased scrutiny and harsher judgement of same sex parental units as opposed to heterosexual units.

Took all of 30 seconds to find the studies and abstracts. And despite the fact there are 2-3 studies that say the opposite (funnily enough they haven't been published to a real journal or gone through a good peer review) I don't understand why the lawyer didn't have them ready for his response.


TFA seems to indicate that this was a bone thrown to the Pro-prop 8 lawyer by Scalia b/c the commies on the bench were tearing him a new one. So obs that atty wasn't gonna produce any studies. Also, I'm sure all that shiat is in the briefs etc.
 
2013-03-26 06:55:46 PM  
Didn't the AAP just release a study saying there was absolutely nothing detrimental to children being raised by gay parents?

Basically gay parents = straight parents, and gay or straight parents > one or no parent.
 
2013-03-26 06:55:59 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Not true.

Gays make fabulous parents.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-26 06:58:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mrbogey: "Not what was actually said" trifecta now in play.

Yeah, right. You'd like to believe that's not what he actually said.


Evidence and facts is for idiots. Right on, bro!
 
2013-03-26 06:59:55 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-26 07:00:24 PM  

codergirl42: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

also, lesbian couples have a 167% greater chance of divorce within 10 years IIRC. can we give gay people marriage without adoption? that seems like a good comprimise?

I wonder how these stats would be skewed had the Lesbian mothers been allowed to marry.


And how they would fare if we didn't have so many hateful bigots like Scalia around.
 
2013-03-26 07:01:05 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

also, lesbian couples have a 167% greater chance of divorce within 10 years IIRC. can we give gay people marriage without adoption? that seems like a good comprimise?



Two things...
1. Human rights are not a matter for compromise.
2. Nice try... but here's why your graphic is bullshiat. See the source at the bottom? Check it, yo.

To understand the study, you have to read the questionnaire that defined the sample. It began by asking each respondent, as the child of this or that kind of family arrangement, his age. If the respondent was younger than 18 or older than 39, the survey was terminated. This means the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses.

The survey went on to ask: "From when you were born until age 18 ... did either of your parents ever have a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex?" If the respondent said yes, he was put in the "gay father" (GF) or "lesbian mother" (LM) category, regardless of subsequent answers. But if he said no, a later question about the relationship between "your biological parents" was used to classify him as the product of an "intact biological family" (IBF) or of an "adopted," "divorced," "stepfamily," or "single-parent" household. In other words, broken families were excluded from the IBF category but included in the GF and LM categories.



Back to the drawing board for you, bigot.
 
2013-03-26 07:01:16 PM  
HAHAHAOHWOW.jpeg
 
2013-03-26 07:02:12 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-26 07:02:13 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

also, lesbian couples have a 167% greater chance of divorce within 10 years IIRC. can we give gay people marriage without adoption? that seems like a good comprimise?


Same-sex marriage has not been legal in any state in the United States of America for ten years. How, exactly, did you establish such a divorce rate without any actual data?
 
2013-03-26 07:02:46 PM  

msupf: Yeah, pretty sure there are studies out there that shows Scalia to be full of bullshiat.

Oh look, I can find multiple studies, with peer review, that say that exact thing. As well as studies that point out that this happens despite increased scrutiny and harsher judgement of same sex parental units as opposed to heterosexual units.

Took all of 30 seconds to find the studies and abstracts. And despite the fact there are 2-3 studies that say the opposite (funnily enough they haven't been published to a real journal or gone through a good peer review) I don't understand why the lawyer didn't have them ready for his response.



Heh, I read this as you arguing not that there were studies disproving Scalia's statement, but that there were perr-reviewed studies that literally concluded that Scalia is full of bullshiat. And then I was sad when that was not the case.
 
2013-03-26 07:04:04 PM  

Mrbogey: "Not what was actually said" trifecta now in play.


It's a headline, headlines oversimplify. Feel free to explain why what he actually said doesn't also deserve the Dumbass tag, if you're so inclined.
 
2013-03-26 07:04:11 PM  

jigger: "I don't think we know the answer to that," he said. "Do you know the answer to that, whether it harms or helps the child? ... That's a possible deleterious effect, isn't it?"

Why should this even be part of the issue? Either marriage is a civil right subject to 14th amendment equal protection/substantive due process or it's not and whether two people of the same sex are being denied equal protection/substantive due process by being denied a state-sanctioned marriage license. That's what you're supposed to figure out, not whether same sex parents are worse for children than no parents or whatever.


I'm kinda talkin' out my butt b/c I haven't read up on this, but I'm guessing Scalia is trying provide some shred of a hint of a wisp of an idea that there is ANY reasonable basis whatsoever to deny gay marriage. I believe the District Court judge spent a good chunk of time absolutely destroying the idea that there is ANY rational basis for denying gay marriage, I'd assume b/c if you are trying to overturn the denial of rights by a state, even the lowest level of judicial scrutiny ties to whether or not there is any rational basis for the state action.

/straws
//that's what Scalia was grasping for
 
2013-03-26 07:04:27 PM  
Kids just need someone who loves them and cares about them.  I'm pretty sure "science" has proven that over and over again.
 
2013-03-26 07:05:29 PM  
And straight couples keep having gay kids

You can't explain that.
 
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