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2013-03-26 05:15:50 PM  
Joel Schumacher > Tim Burton

/suck it
 
2013-03-26 05:15:58 PM  

Mouser: meanmutton: meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.

In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

God doesn't need your review to justify His existence.  That's why He's God, and you're not.


How convenient.  Don't you think?
 
2013-03-26 05:16:11 PM  
ParagonComplex:  You can chalk up the vast majority of everything in that diagram to simple lack of education/understanding.

and thus, Fark.com and Reddit.com were born
 
2013-03-26 05:16:46 PM  

diaphoresis: Easy now... thinking isn't a Farkers strong suit.... sit down.. I'll get ya a few beers



Already sitting and drinking. You have some catching up to do apparently.
 
2013-03-26 05:16:52 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.


Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo. The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.
 
2013-03-26 05:18:12 PM  

tylerdurden217: diaphoresis: Easy now... thinking isn't a Farkers strong suit.... sit down.. I'll get ya a few beers


Already sitting and drinking. You have some catching up to do apparently.


/sits down and orders 6 rounds of beer
 
2013-03-26 05:19:38 PM  
Karnaugh maps are superior to venn diagrams!
 
2013-03-26 05:20:10 PM  
In before "atheism is a religion".
 
2013-03-26 05:20:36 PM  

meat0918: Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia

 I'm not sure you know what the Shroud of Turin looks like.
 
2013-03-26 05:20:55 PM  
images.laws.com

That chart looked like 'Brain Eating Amoeba' having group sex.


/And both have the same effect on humans
 
2013-03-26 05:22:17 PM  
Chiropractor:  "So, Horse, are you still experiencing any neck pain?"

Horse:  "Neigh."

Chiropractor: "Excellent.  See you next week."

Horse:

Chiropractor:
 
2013-03-26 05:22:48 PM  

Begoggle: In before "atheism is a religion".




Link
You're late.
 
2013-03-26 05:25:03 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fark my sister!
 
2013-03-26 05:27:59 PM  
s21.postimg.org
 
2013-03-26 05:28:31 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Caffandtranqs: I don't have a problem with people having beliefs as long as they are not harming anyone or attempting to shove it down anyone's throat, and that goes for atheists as well.  I'm in the "I don't know, and having the arrogance to assume I know the truth is unwise) camp.  When my mother prays to St. Jude for my hopeless soul, I just say "thank you."  I don't get upset about it.  Aome atheists will get downright pissed about that kind of stuff.  It's weird.  They get evangelical in their atheism, they feel the need to educate everyone about the lack of science in their beliefs; and frankly, I start viewing them like the fundies when they start that.

As an atheist, I too find those types of so called "Atheists" to be annoying as fark.  They usually have some other irritating character flaw driving it though.  Same goes for vegans and hippies.


Yeah, I have a friend who constantly posts things about atheism on Facebook.  I don't say anything to her, but I think to myself, "She's just as obssessive about this as ____ is about his Jesus posts."
 
2013-03-26 05:28:33 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


Happens to the best of us, even me.
 
2013-03-26 05:28:46 PM  

Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

[static.prtst.net image 450x300]


Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.

athe·ism
Function: noun
: the belief that there is no God

/assuming you believe in the dictionary
 
2013-03-26 05:28:47 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm
 
2013-03-26 05:30:23 PM  
willfullyobscureIGNORANT: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo. The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The two studies you linked were 1) a study of electroacupuncture, which is not acupunture, and 2) a study that showed that different regions seemed to block pain for different horses, for different sexes, for different amounts, when only 23 horses in total were used for the study.  Bottom line: You are looking for data to support the belief you already have instead of looking at the data to determine what conclusions you should draw from it.  From this I conclude that you are a gullible or willfully ignorant person, and no amount of evidence is going to sway you.

Here's what would convince ME that acupuncture works:  Demonstrating that it works in a controlled environment in a repeatable, scrutable, falsifiable way.  This has yet to be done, and it's been around for literally thousands of years.

Here's what would convince YOU that acupuncture works: Anything demonstrating that it could possibly work.

What would convince you that acupunture is no better than placebo? [INSERT ANSWER HERE]

There's your problem right there.
 
2013-03-26 05:31:29 PM  
Hmm, palmistry and tarot should be in the pure psuedoscience group with astrology, they're closely related via effect-by-association belief systems. I don't think there's supposed to be anything paranormal about orgone energy, either, that should be in the psuedoscience+quackery group.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:13 PM  
If I like you, I would strongly recommend you not fark my sisters.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:16 PM  

Farce-Side: I thought we already had this thread.


If we had, deja vu would be on the Venn diagram.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:56 PM  

special20: rkiller1: ParagonComplex: Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.

Came here to say this because I've had and OOB.
/Way different than a dream
//Awesome

My OOB happened when I had a blood infection, fever, and nearly died. It was cool to be aware of what seemed to be duality in my physical self - yet singularity in my consciousness. I stood outside my window staring in at myself laid on my bed. I am aware there are things too dangerous to study, but I strongly  believe Out of Body, or Near Death Experiences, are more of an explainable phenomenon than some esoteric malarkey as people would want you and me to believe.


I don't know you and couldn't find a convenient email link on your website, so if you wanna read further:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130872485066  If not, then don't.  Peace.
 
2013-03-26 05:34:40 PM  

technofiend: Excuse me sir, do you have any pamphlets or perhaps a temple where I can worship?


It's hard to argue with the south of France, Brazil or some of the nude pools in Las Vegas. If needed you can always use a pay temple like Deja Vu, Scores or one of the ones on this handy religious

http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2012/02/50-best-strip-clubs-in-ame ri ca/ pamphlet. However one of the great Meccas is held every year at Sturgis where they spiritual freedom is always easier to obtain. It's a bit late, however spring break in Miami is always going to satisfy.
 
2013-03-26 05:35:20 PM  

diaphoresis: and thus, Fark.com and Reddit.com were born


Not sure I'd couple those Reddit faiulres of humanity with Fark, tho.

/lawn, off.
 
2013-03-26 05:36:41 PM  
I believe in pretty girls.

// But in nothing listed on the chart
 
2013-03-26 05:37:01 PM  
I believe "The Wire" is overrated.

/made through one and half seasons before I gave up out of boredom
 
2013-03-26 05:37:12 PM  
 
2013-03-26 05:38:38 PM  

MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.


Dude, that doesn't even rhyme.
 
2013-03-26 05:38:42 PM  

technofiend: onyxruby: Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!

Excuse me sir, do you have any pamphlets or perhaps a temple where I can worship?


They are around. I would check near major highways in bad parts of town and near military bases.
 
2013-03-26 05:40:09 PM  

hinten:

Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.

From headline: "This is the thread where you defend what you believe in and call everyone else's believes beliefs bollocks."  "Believes" is a verb.  "Belief" is a noun.  The object of a sentence cannot be a verb.  Stated succinctly enough for you?
 
2013-03-26 05:43:10 PM  

WhippingBoy: I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Unless we stop them now.
 
2013-03-26 05:43:40 PM  
Old McDonald had an alternative medicine practice.
E-I-E-I-O
And in his alternative medicine practice he had some Chiropractors.
E-I-E-I-O
With a Back Crack Quack here
and a Back Crack Quack there...
 
2013-03-26 05:43:49 PM  

MaxxLarge:

No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.
And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?
 
2013-03-26 05:44:15 PM  
Lol bollocks. Thats rich
 
2013-03-26 05:45:14 PM  
This diagram is missing a whole "conspiracy bollocks" blob. It can overlap the "psuedoscientific bollocks" blob for moon-denialists and chemtrail furries, but also give a good home for the birthers etc.

/Aromatherapy is actually kinda "effective" for problems that are in your head anyway, which thankfully most of mine are at the moment.
//But generally not half as much as a good meal and a bottle of wine
 
2013-03-26 05:45:16 PM  

vudukungfu: thisisyourbrainonFark: This sums it up for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

Relax, I have a septic tank and live in a county full of manure pits.
Open manure pits.
there aren't any fish in our rivers.
Too much ammonia in the water.


Is that a toxic haiku?
 
2013-03-26 05:45:47 PM  

willfullyobscure: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo.


As I said, that turns out not to be the case.  You can find studies that show an effect.  You can find many more that don't.  That's why people conduct meta-analyses:  to see what the total weight of evidence across all the studies shows.  And the meta-analyses always show that there isn't any large consistent effect distinguishable from a placebo.

The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The major thing we don't understand is why people believe it's not a placebo, despite all evidence to the contrary.  (Well, we do understand much of that:  selective cherry-picking of studies.)
 
2013-03-26 05:46:03 PM  
saying "In God we trust" is exactly like saying "We don't trust anybody".
 
2013-03-26 05:46:20 PM  
And....what about what that Albert Einstein guy said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings" and "Science without religion is lame."  I wonder if the artist of the Venn diagram would tell Einstein about the bollocks he believes.
 
2013-03-26 05:47:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf:

If it has a steady paycheck, I'll believe anything you say


media.philly.com

 
2013-03-26 05:48:17 PM  

BafflerMeal: Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm


As I said, you can get the same effect as acupuncture by inserting needles in random places, or not inserting needles at all.  The study you link to has nothing to do with acupuncture points.  Acupuncture isn't simply sticking needles in things.  There's a whole systematic method behind how you do it, which is bunk.
 
2013-03-26 05:48:26 PM  

crazyeddie: 2) a study that showed that different regions seemed to block pain for different horses, for different sexes, for different amounts,


I originally read that as "different religions seemed to block pain for different horses".
 
2013-03-26 05:49:10 PM  

BafflerMeal: Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm


BTW, more discussion of this study.
 
2013-03-26 05:49:24 PM  

GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?


I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.
 
2013-03-26 05:51:21 PM  

MBooda: Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.


In case you're not trolling, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief", whether those two statements are equivalent or distinct, and whether "belief that there God" is as epistemologically justifiable as "lacking a belief in God".
 
2013-03-26 05:53:11 PM  
meanmutton: In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.

Mouser: God doesn't need your review to justify His existence. That's why He's God, and you're not.


Prove it.

// See what I did there?
 
2013-03-26 05:54:06 PM  

Ambitwistor: As I said, you can get the same effect as acupuncture by inserting needles in random places, or not inserting needles at all. The study you link to has nothing to do with acupuncture points. Acupuncture isn't simply sticking needles in things.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Would like a word with you.
 
2013-03-26 05:54:16 PM  

Loadmaster: Dude, that doesn't even rhyme.


A myth is religion plus time
one hundred percent of the time
We've never had gods
just trolls and Fark mods
and dark rum with cola and lime
 
2013-03-26 05:54:34 PM  

Chach:

If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

It's simple...  It is the product of medieval forgers.  They used an ultraviolet laser to etch the image, and they used a Silicon Graphics computer to generate the 3-D imagery. Those are OLD computers, you know.
 
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