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2013-03-26 10:10:21 AM  
I was promised a Venn diagram in thread.
 
2013-03-26 10:13:00 AM  
So THATS why Scientology manages to stomp on my nerves every time it's mentioned. It's the culmination of all aspects of bollocks!

Thank's OP, today I have learned something :D
 
2013-03-26 10:14:14 AM  
Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]
 
2013-03-26 10:34:49 AM  
It's like a regular day at Fark.
 
2013-03-26 10:37:32 AM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


*shakes tiny fist*

Thanks for posting that though, exactly what I came here for.
 
2013-03-26 10:38:01 AM  
God is a concept, by which we measure our pain.
 
2013-03-26 10:52:02 AM  
I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.
 
2013-03-26 10:54:24 AM  
I like turtles
 
2013-03-26 11:01:12 AM  
ROLFing?  is that like ROTFLMAO?
 
2013-03-26 11:18:12 AM  
shiatsu massage feels awesome. Why isn't swedish massage on there too?
 
2013-03-26 11:42:02 AM  
I believe in grammar.
 
2013-03-26 11:45:13 AM  

Nogrhi: I believe in grammar.


wat does you mean?
 
2013-03-26 11:56:53 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Nogrhi: I believe in grammar.

wat does you mean?


caught sayof the whole thing.

/memeblender!
 
2013-03-26 11:58:04 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: shiatsu massage feels awesome. Why isn't swedish massage on there too?


With happy ending?
 
2013-03-26 12:07:24 PM  

kvinesknows: I was promised a Venn diagram in thread.


s24.postimg.org
 
2013-03-26 12:32:40 PM  
i1057.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 12:41:08 PM  
Bollocks is a fun word.
 
2013-03-26 12:41:21 PM  
i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 02:23:04 PM  

UberDave: kvinesknows: I was promised a Venn diagram in thread.

[s24.postimg.org image 400x300]


ahhhhh... that hits the spot
 
2013-03-26 03:05:14 PM  
I believe subby needs to go back and learn proper grammar.
 
2013-03-26 03:09:32 PM  
I believe in miracles.  Where you from?
 
2013-03-26 03:12:55 PM  

SlothB77: ROLFing?  is that like ROTFLMAO?


Does this turn you on? If so, you might be a ROWLFer.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-26 03:13:52 PM  
I don't believe in Venn diagrams!


Where's your god now?
 
2013-03-26 03:14:16 PM  
There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.
 
2013-03-26 03:16:45 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


Damnit, I was going to post this other quote from that fine movie:

Skip: Eight... and sixteen. How'd we ever win eight?
Larry: It's a miracle.
Skip: It's a miracle.
 
2013-03-26 03:18:58 PM  
Psychic Surgery sounds totally legit and I'm looking forward to getting my appendicitis fixed that way.
 
2013-03-26 03:23:36 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-03-26 03:29:07 PM  

hinten: Psychic Surgery sounds totally legit and I'm looking forward to getting my appendicitis fixed that way.


What psychic surgery might look like:
gatherer.wizards.com
 
2013-03-26 03:29:41 PM  
Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-26 03:31:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: shiatsu massage feels awesome. Why isn't swedish massage on there too?


What about Fipina massage?  That feels REALLY awesome!
 
2013-03-26 03:35:27 PM  
Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?
 
2013-03-26 03:35:30 PM  
Well, after a quick detour over to Youtube, I now know what ear candling is.  Looks like the most useless practice ever invented.
 
2013-03-26 03:39:47 PM  

Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?


Nevermind; apparently the weird diet bullshiat my mom does all of the time is called detox also.
 
2013-03-26 03:42:26 PM  

hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.

Defend what you believe in and call everyone else's believes bollocks.


".., defend your beliefs and call everyone else's beliefs bollocks."
 
2013-03-26 03:43:33 PM  
Nick Saban is loyal to Alabama and would NEVER leave for more money.
 
2013-03-26 03:43:34 PM  

Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?


The detox that this diagram includes is not the drug rehab kind (which does show a lot of real efficacy). It's the kind of detox in which people try to rid their bodies of mysterious unnamed "toxins" by dubious methods, usually by buying a blatantly bullshiat product. The product I've heard the most about is a type of pad that you stick on your feet. After you've left the pad on for a while, it turns brown and smelly, and when you remove it the damn thing looks just awful because it "sucked the toxins of of your body" through your feet. Chemical analysis of these pads shows that they are actually simple adhesive pads laced with chemicals that react with oils and bacteria commonly found on feet to cause the brown color and bad smell, which is just for show.
 
2013-03-26 03:44:19 PM  

Speaker2Animals: hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.

Defend what you believe in and call everyone else's believes bollocks.

".., defend your beliefs and call everyone else's beliefs bollocks."


Those are spelling errors not grammar mistakes but I see what you mean.
 
2013-03-26 03:46:52 PM  

TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.


Rolfing is a form of massage that is supposed to "balance" the body and "optimize" muscle use (those terms are not explicitly defined).


Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?


Drug and alcohol withdrawal can definitely be medically beneficial and are not pseudoscience/quackery at all.

So called  "Alternative medicine" detox, such as water fasting and Gerson therapy, is both pseudoscience and quackery at the same time.
 
2013-03-26 03:53:43 PM  
Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.
 
2013-03-26 03:55:11 PM  
Hey, now. I believe in tarot cards. I mean obviously they exist. You can go right to the store and get a deck. Fudge, they even have them in the dollar store.

I don't believe they can tell you the future, but they totally exist and they make great props.
 
2013-03-26 03:55:15 PM  
The funny thing is that people involved in these really won't care that anyone else thinks its bollocks. For instance, I don't care what your "evaluation" of acupuncture and chiropractic are, I've had enough experience with both to know that they've really worked well for me in handling certain issues than before I had experience with them. As a practical guy, that's all the evidence I really want or need. YMMV.
 
2013-03-26 03:55:57 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Nick Saban is loyal to Alabama and would NEVER leave for more money.


NOW who sounds delusional?  :-)
 
2013-03-26 03:57:07 PM  

hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.


I believes that subby is a semi-literate monkey who somehow got access to the internet.
 
2013-03-26 03:57:15 PM  

GiantRex: Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?

The detox that this diagram includes is not the drug rehab kind (which does show a lot of real efficacy). It's the kind of detox in which people try to rid their bodies of mysterious unnamed "toxins" by dubious methods, usually by buying a blatantly bullshiat product. The product I've heard the most about is a type of pad that you stick on your feet. After you've left the pad on for a while, it turns brown and smelly, and when you remove it the damn thing looks just awful because it "sucked the toxins of of your body" through your feet. Chemical analysis of these pads shows that they are actually simple adhesive pads laced with chemicals that react with oils and bacteria commonly found on feet to cause the brown color and bad smell, which is just for show.


Yeah, my mom does shiat like that on a fairly regular basis. Except with her it's usually a combination of fasting and a closet full of "supplements" or a week-long juice diet or something. She's got the gene for the same arthritic condition I have, but refuses to believe that she has the same condition. Flat refusal of any anti-inflammatory medication because she doesn't trust doctors, but will spend $100s of dollars a month on alternative medicine from internet quacks.
 
2013-03-26 03:57:17 PM  
I hate Blacks, Mexicans and Chinese people!
 
2013-03-26 03:58:01 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


If it has a steady paycheck, I'll believe anything you say
 
2013-03-26 03:58:22 PM  

FloydA: Rolfing is a form of massage that is supposed to "balance" the body and "optimize" muscle use (those terms are not explicitly defined).


Oh, now I'm actually kind of disappointed. I was imagining some sort of therapeutic purging. Something to do with balancing humors or vapors. Like blood letting, but with vomit.
 
2013-03-26 03:58:52 PM  
Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.
 
2013-03-26 03:58:56 PM  
I believe we know a lot about physics and engineering. This is how we are able to shoot photons one at a time to build ICs and are able to fly across oceans.
 
2013-03-26 04:02:28 PM  

hinten: Psychic Surgery sounds totally legit and I'm looking forward to getting my appendicitis fixed that way.


I thought about trying psychic liposuction, but I decided not to once I realized that even if it worked, it was going to suck.

/not even fat
 
2013-03-26 04:02:44 PM  
img854.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-26 04:03:08 PM  

DesertDemonWY: [i1057.photobucket.com image 700x537]


Hey, I one-up Jimmy and just put certain people on ignore.
 
2013-03-26 04:03:30 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I believes that subby is a semi-literate monkey who somehow got access to the internet.


I believe this is not bollocks.
 
2013-03-26 04:03:58 PM  
I know most chiropractors are quacks, but dammit, mine has saved my life repeatedly.

/slight exaggeration
//slight
 
2013-03-26 04:04:06 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


I kind of love you.
 
2013-03-26 04:04:09 PM  
The diagram in the link needs to include governement and business before it is complete.
 
2013-03-26 04:04:24 PM  
Rolfing ?

img69.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-26 04:04:34 PM  
I don't believe in any of that stuff.

What do I win?
 
2013-03-26 04:05:34 PM  
Never mind the bollocks.
memeboss.com
Here's the Sex Pistols.
 
2013-03-26 04:05:43 PM  
'what do you believe in?'

i believe i'll have another....
 
2013-03-26 04:06:07 PM  

hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.


Should be:

Fark: where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.
 
2013-03-26 04:06:27 PM  
I believe in nothing.

/yes it is exhausting
 
2013-03-26 04:06:43 PM  

hinten: Speaker2Animals: hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.

Defend what you believe in and call everyone else's believes bollocks.

".., defend your beliefs and call everyone else's beliefs bollocks."

Those are spelling errors not grammar mistakes but I see what you mean.


"believes" is not spelled wrong, it's just the wrong word.  So yes, it's a grammar mistake.
 
2013-03-26 04:06:55 PM  

meat0918: I don't believe in any of that stuff.

What do I win?


Nothing. That's the point, right?
 
2013-03-26 04:07:54 PM  
Hitting you right in the believes.
 
2013-03-26 04:08:07 PM  
If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"
 
2013-03-26 04:08:25 PM  

PumpkinCake: meat0918: I don't believe in any of that stuff.

What do I win?

Nothing. That's the point, right?


I can live with that.
 
2013-03-26 04:08:26 PM  

Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.


One has an unknown beginning point and the other has an unknown ending point.
 
2013-03-26 04:08:40 PM  
I like big bollocks and I cannot lie
 
2013-03-26 04:08:51 PM  

MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.


That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.
 
2013-03-26 04:09:25 PM  

!Science

 
2013-03-26 04:09:57 PM  

Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"


We do, it's called Pareidolia
 
2013-03-26 04:11:07 PM  

TheOmni: FloydA: Rolfing is a form of massage that is supposed to "balance" the body and "optimize" muscle use (those terms are not explicitly defined).

Oh, now I'm actually kind of disappointed. I was imagining some sort of therapeutic purging. Something to do with balancing humors or vapors. Like blood letting, but with vomit.


Nope, just massage.  For therapeutic vomiting, you want the "Master Cleanse  Detox Purging Diet."  It removes unnamed "toxins" when you drink enough salt water to puke, and then you replace those toxins with lemonade to nourish the body.

(I've looked at a lot of "alternative medicine" techniques.  I'm not sure it's possible to imagine one that's crazier than the things people actually believe.)
 
2013-03-26 04:11:09 PM  
Whoooa hey hey hey stop! I'm willing to believe that everything on that list is complete bollocks, but you honestly going to look me in the face and tell me that Ouija boards don't work?!? Whaaa?!?
 
2013-03-26 04:11:32 PM  
Pfft.  I don't defend in what I believe in.  I don't believe in nothing no more.

I'm going to law school.
 
2013-03-26 04:12:04 PM  

TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.


Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?
 
2013-03-26 04:12:08 PM  

TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.


It isn't.

And I'm not sure it deserves to be on the list.
 
2013-03-26 04:12:28 PM  
I believe that Fark and Reddit will one day become an unholy behemoth that will cause the end of Internet news media as we know it.

Don't say you weren't warned!
 
2013-03-26 04:13:10 PM  
This completely misunderstands Scientology.  They are a dangerous nutjob cult, but the author of this diagram isn't familiar with the details.  He's working from a pop Internet retelling of them.

/Scientology neighbor
 
2013-03-26 04:13:32 PM  

ParagonComplex: Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.


Came here to say this because I've had and OOB.
/Way different than a dream
//Awesome
 
2013-03-26 04:13:32 PM  

meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.


In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.
 
2013-03-26 04:13:42 PM  

meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.


No kidding.

Mythology is how people explained what they could not explain before the advent of science.  A myth might say "A goddess gave us willow bark to ease pain".  Science can then be utilized to investigate whether or not willow bark does ease pain.

Now a lot of times, these myths (especially regarding herbs) don't pan out and are better explained as a placebo effect, but we can still take a look at these things through the lens of science.
 
2013-03-26 04:13:55 PM  
What is cupping?
 
2013-03-26 04:14:13 PM  
Karma is on that chart? Karma just means cause and effect. There's nothing particularly mystical about it, despite what I read on Facebook.
 
2013-03-26 04:14:14 PM  

Somacandra: The funny thing is that people involved in these really won't care that anyone else thinks its bollocks. For instance, I don't care what your "evaluation" of acupuncture and chiropractic are, I've had enough experience with both to know that they've really worked well for me in handling certain issues than before I had experience with them. As a practical guy, that's all the evidence I really want or need. YMMV.



Chiropractic for treating musculoskeletal back pain by spinal manipulation = legitimate.
Chiropractic for treating anything and everything by restoring the body's "innate intelligence" = quackery.
 
2013-03-26 04:14:39 PM  
Tarot also belongs in the religion circle. Our church when I was a kid told us that tarot decks were possessed by demons and using them invited the demon into you. The deck I got as a teenager never did anything exciting, so I am dissappoint.
 
2013-03-26 04:15:13 PM  

ACunningPlan: TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?


Alternative medicine hickies.
 
2013-03-26 04:15:44 PM  
Did I somehow miss the link to the English one?
 
2013-03-26 04:15:48 PM  
I miss 'Christian Science'. They could easily check all the boxes.
 
2013-03-26 04:16:09 PM  
Everything is bollocks. However, some bollocks is true. (For a given value of "truth".)
 
2013-03-26 04:16:28 PM  

GiantRex: Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?

The detox that this diagram includes is not the drug rehab kind (which does show a lot of real efficacy). It's the kind of detox in which people try to rid their bodies of mysterious unnamed "toxins" by dubious methods, usually by buying a blatantly bullshiat product. The product I've heard the most about is a type of pad that you stick on your feet. After you've left the pad on for a while, it turns brown and smelly, and when you remove it the damn thing looks just awful because it "sucked the toxins of of your body" through your feet. Chemical analysis of these pads shows that they are actually simple adhesive pads laced with chemicals that react with oils and bacteria commonly found on feet to cause the brown color and bad smell, which is just for show.


I thought those were just called socks.
Those commercials are funny. I like how the guy says they work to remove toxins from your body the same way a tree does. By taking in energy from the sun and dispensing the toxins out of the roots. Not only is that not how your body works, that's not even how a farking tree works.
 
2013-03-26 04:16:45 PM  

ACunningPlan: TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?


They rid the body of illness by placing a cup on the skin, usually with a candle under it that creates suction. It often leaves bruises and then cps shows up to arrest well-meaning immigrant parents because they think they are beating their kids.
 
2013-03-26 04:16:47 PM  

Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"


No, because sciencism says it's bollocks, and we are all sciencists now.
 
2013-03-26 04:17:17 PM  
indubitably
 
2013-03-26 04:17:34 PM  
It's all true. Especially the part about how Tom Cruise isn't gay.
 
2013-03-26 04:17:42 PM  

ACunningPlan: TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?


i105.photobucket.com

The "therapist" heats up some cups (usually glass) and places them on the skin.  The heated air inside the cups creates a partial vacuum, which is believed to suck unnamed "toxins" out of the body.
 
2013-03-26 04:17:54 PM  

Uncle Pim: Karma is on that chart? Karma just means cause and effect. There's nothing particularly mystical about it, despite what I read on Facebook.


Most people who use it, use it in the form of "If you do something good/bad, the universe will do something good/bad to or for you in turn", which is outside of cause and effect, and is bullshiat. Lots of people who do evil shiat live very pampered lives, and lots of good people live very harsh destitute lives.
 
2013-03-26 04:18:43 PM  

Ebenator: What is cupping?


The only cupping I've heard of is a BDSM practice, which I've seen, but not tried, so I can't attest to the experience, but the practitioners were definitely enjoying it, so it does work.  Somehow I don't think that's what the venn diagram is referring to.
 
2013-03-26 04:19:15 PM  

Moonfisher: Tarot also belongs in the religion circle. Our church when I was a kid told us that tarot decks were possessed by demons and using them invited the demon into you. The deck I got as a teenager never did anything exciting, so I am dissappoint.


I once played poker with a tarot deck.  I got a full house and my neighbor died.
 
2013-03-26 04:19:43 PM  
I was the biggest disbeliever in chiropractic,
that is. until the doctor gave me Valium for my back pain.
There are a few things I cannot abide by in my life, but taking narcotics to sleep at night is one of them.
I absolutely detest narcotics.
I like having a clear head.
I didn't want to go to see a chiropractor, but I was sweeping the floor in terrible pain, at my old job, and had to bend over to pick up a blow in ad that fell out of a stack of newspapers.
I flipped it over and it was a full page ad for this new chiro in town. So I made an appointment and gave it a chance. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done this, but I was delirious from lack of sleep, pain, and drugs.
I was so out of it the day of the visit, I could barely dress, and went to the office for the visit with my frikkin fly down. I didn't care. I was in pain. Guy gave me an X-Ray, asked if I had been a a car wreck. (I had) and gave me a themo-graphic reading on the back to narrow down where the pain was, with out asking me.
Mind you, when I went to the REAL doctor, I told him it felt like I had an Ice Pick in my back. He didn't ask me to remove my shirt. The guy didn't even turn me around to see if I actually had an ice pick in my back. He just wrote me a scrip for Valium.
The chiropractor had me sit down, and tapped my back in one spot, and said is this where it hurts most?
BINGO. He knew where it was through his diagnostic check up.
He gave me one adjustment and it was like the ice pick was taken out. I flushed the pulls right down the john. never took one again. I still go in for adjustments, but I'm not drooling on my keyboard.

So ymmv, but call be a believer.
a convert.
 
2013-03-26 04:20:00 PM  
Bullocks
www.hilaryshepherd.com
 
2013-03-26 04:22:40 PM  

Ebenator: What is cupping?


The "magic lightbulbs" in the new Karate Kid movie.
 
2013-03-26 04:22:50 PM  

rkiller1: Bullocks
[www.hilaryshepherd.com image 350x475]


I think my married neighbor is gay.
He says, "they always put her in moves playing the hot girl, but she isn't hot. "
 
2013-03-26 04:23:11 PM  
 
2013-03-26 04:23:47 PM  

vudukungfu: I was the biggest disbeliever in chiropractic,
that is. until the doctor gave me Valium for my back pain.
There are a few things I cannot abide by in my life, but taking narcotics to sleep at night is one of them.
I absolutely detest narcotics.
I like having a clear head.
I didn't want to go to see a chiropractor, but I was sweeping the floor in terrible pain, at my old job, and had to bend over to pick up a blow in ad that fell out of a stack of newspapers.
I flipped it over and it was a full page ad for this new chiro in town. So I made an appointment and gave it a chance. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done this, but I was delirious from lack of sleep, pain, and drugs.
I was so out of it the day of the visit, I could barely dress, and went to the office for the visit with my frikkin fly down. I didn't care. I was in pain. Guy gave me an X-Ray, asked if I had been a a car wreck. (I had) and gave me a themo-graphic reading on the back to narrow down where the pain was, with out asking me.
Mind you, when I went to the REAL doctor, I told him it felt like I had an Ice Pick in my back. He didn't ask me to remove my shirt. The guy didn't even turn me around to see if I actually had an ice pick in my back. He just wrote me a scrip for Valium.
The chiropractor had me sit down, and tapped my back in one spot, and said is this where it hurts most?
BINGO. He knew where it was through his diagnostic check up.
He gave me one adjustment and it was like the ice pick was taken out. I flushed the pulls right down the john. never took one again. I still go in for adjustments, but I'm not drooling on my keyboard.

So ymmv, but call be a believer.
a convert.


Of course now all the fish are Valium addicts, and I can't have a Friday night fry up without getting high.  Thanks a pant-load, buddy.
 
2013-03-26 04:23:50 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


You have it wrong.  The truth is that BOTH Lee Harvey Oswald's acted alone (and independantly).
 
2013-03-26 04:24:19 PM  
crujonessociety.com
I want to believe.
 
2013-03-26 04:24:20 PM  

rkiller1: Bullocks
[www.hilaryshepherd.com image 350x475]


I would and so would you.
 
2013-03-26 04:24:29 PM  
People still believe in lei lines?

www.airportleigreeting.com
 
2013-03-26 04:24:29 PM  
en.wikifur.com

I LOVE GOOGLE!
 
2013-03-26 04:25:00 PM  
I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.
 
2013-03-26 04:25:43 PM  

vudukungfu: rkiller1: Bullocks
[www.hilaryshepherd.com image 350x475]

I think my married neighbor is gay.
He says, "they always put her in moves playing the hot girl, but she isn't hot. "


She's certainly hot from the right camera angle, but she did marry Jesse James...
/She was invited to JJ's Malibu wedding last week and declined,
 
2013-03-26 04:26:07 PM  

Rixel: [en.wikifur.com image 500x300]

I LOVE GOOGLE rule 34!

 
2013-03-26 04:26:33 PM  

FloydA: ACunningPlan: TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?

[i105.photobucket.com image 459x320]

The "therapist" heats up some cups (usually glass) and places them on the skin.  The heated air inside the cups creates a partial vacuum, which is believed to suck unnamed "toxins" out of the body.


That's hawt.
 
2013-03-26 04:27:14 PM  

meat0918: Rixel: [en.wikifur.com image 500x300]

I LOVE GOOGLE rule 34!


Which has me thinking...

Are there rule 34 Venn Diagrams out there.

//Not going to search for that at work.
///Speaking of which, lunch is over...
 
2013-03-26 04:28:00 PM  

kvinesknows: I was promised a Venn diagram in thread.


i.imgur.com

 
2013-03-26 04:28:22 PM  
I believe everything that we fight over exists as it is regardless of our fighting.  Whether we're right or wrong doesn't matter.  This leads me to believe that the only thing we are fighting about is our perception.  If we can stop with the adjectives and flowery speech and simply focus on what is, then, and only then, can we truly grow and enlighten ourselves.

/Reader's Digest version...
 
2013-03-26 04:28:47 PM  

Rixel: [en.wikifur.com image 500x300]

I LOVE GOOGLE!


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 04:29:13 PM  

WhoGAS: I believe everything that we fight over exists as it is regardless of our fighting.  Whether we're right or wrong doesn't matter.  This leads me to believe that the only thing we are fighting about is our perception.  If we can stop with the adjectives and flowery speech and simply focus on what is, then, and only then, can we truly grow and enlighten ourselves.

/Reader's Digest version...


Shut Up!
 
2013-03-26 04:29:25 PM  
Geomancy isn't bollocks.

I pull that shiat off all the time:
i78.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 04:30:25 PM  

ACunningPlan: Glad I'm not the only one:) I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?


Light BDSM play masked under the cloak of psudeoscience, much like acupuncture and most other home cures.  Of course hitting my testicles with a hammer will distract me from that toothache. Why didn't I think of that?
 
2013-03-26 04:30:35 PM  

Speaker2Animals: God is a concept, by which we measure our pain.


A comma is a punctuation mark, which is often overused.
 
2013-03-26 04:30:56 PM  

vudukungfu: I was the biggest disbeliever in chiropractic,
that is. until the doctor gave me Valium for my back pain.
There are a few things I cannot abide by in my life, but taking narcotics to sleep at night is one of them.
I absolutely detest narcotics.
I like having a clear head.
I didn't want to go to see a chiropractor, but I was sweeping the floor in terrible pain, at my old job, and had to bend over to pick up a blow in ad that fell out of a stack of newspapers.
I flipped it over and it was a full page ad for this new chiro in town. So I made an appointment and gave it a chance. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done this, but I was delirious from lack of sleep, pain, and drugs.
I was so out of it the day of the visit, I could barely dress, and went to the office for the visit with my frikkin fly down. I didn't care. I was in pain. Guy gave me an X-Ray, asked if I had been a a car wreck. (I had) and gave me a themo-graphic reading on the back to narrow down where the pain was, with out asking me.
Mind you, when I went to the REAL doctor, I told him it felt like I had an Ice Pick in my back. He didn't ask me to remove my shirt. The guy didn't even turn me around to see if I actually had an ice pick in my back. He just wrote me a scrip for Valium.
The chiropractor had me sit down, and tapped my back in one spot, and said is this where it hurts most?
BINGO. He knew where it was through his diagnostic check up.
He gave me one adjustment and it was like the ice pick was taken out. I flushed the pulls right down the john. never took one again. I still go in for adjustments, but I'm not drooling on my keyboard.

So ymmv, but call be a believer.
a convert.


You aware orginally chiropractics believed that can heal ANY ailment through adjustments? Like including diseases and such., not just problem muscles and bad backs.  That's what they are referring to. They mostly have moved away from this.
 
2013-03-26 04:31:19 PM  

WhippingBoy: I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.


You take that back right now, pervert.
 
2013-03-26 04:31:51 PM  
I can't stand those who are intolerant of other cultures.
/And the Dutch.
 
2013-03-26 04:33:32 PM  
My believes are simple: vodak.
 
2013-03-26 04:33:33 PM  
I believe hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.


/or 1911a1 .45, as the case may be
 
2013-03-26 04:34:09 PM  

MythDragon: Geomancy isn't bollocks.

I pull that shiat off all the time:
[i78.photobucket.com image 720x480]


Great. Now I want to play that again. Thanks, farker.
 
2013-03-26 04:34:12 PM  

rkiller1: Bullocks
[www.hilaryshepherd.com image 350x475]


About time this thread got interesting!
 
2013-03-26 04:34:26 PM  
I believe in the elixir of youth
And I believe in the absolute truth
Yes I believe in
I believe in

There is no love in this world anymore
There is no love in this world anymore
 
2013-03-26 04:35:18 PM  
I like sniffing pantyhose.
Wheres my parade?
 
2013-03-26 04:35:39 PM  

vudukungfu: I was the biggest disbeliever in chiropractic,
that is. until the doctor gave me Valium for my back pain.
There are a few things I cannot abide by in my life, but taking narcotics to sleep at night is one of them.
I absolutely detest narcotics.
I like having a clear head.
I didn't want to go to see a chiropractor, but I was sweeping the floor in terrible pain, at my old job, and had to bend over to pick up a blow in ad that fell out of a stack of newspapers.
I flipped it over and it was a full page ad for this new chiro in town. So I made an appointment and gave it a chance. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done this, but I was delirious from lack of sleep, pain, and drugs.
I was so out of it the day of the visit, I could barely dress, and went to the office for the visit with my frikkin fly down. I didn't care. I was in pain. Guy gave me an X-Ray, asked if I had been a a car wreck. (I had) and gave me a themo-graphic reading on the back to narrow down where the pain was, with out asking me.
Mind you, when I went to the REAL doctor, I told him it felt like I had an Ice Pick in my back. He didn't ask me to remove my shirt. The guy didn't even turn me around to see if I actually had an ice pick in my back. He just wrote me a scrip for Valium.
The chiropractor had me sit down, and tapped my back in one spot, and said is this where it hurts most?
BINGO. He knew where it was through his diagnostic check up.
He gave me one adjustment and it was like the ice pick was taken out. I flushed the pulls right down the john. never took one again. I still go in for adjustments, but I'm not drooling on my keyboard.

So ymmv, but call be a believer.
a convert.


I had a doctor like that once. Didn't bother with an exam and just prescribed me pills. I went to another doctor who promptly examined me and solved my problem with surgery. Just because you went to a bad doctor it does not mean anything one way or another.
 
2013-03-26 04:36:22 PM  

DesertDemonWY: PassiveAggressiveAsshole.jpg


Glad you had the strength to rise above it, just like our hero Jimmy.
 
2013-03-26 04:37:17 PM  

Rixel: [en.wikifur.com image 500x300]

I LOVE GOOGLE!


I don't get it, other than I imagine it has to do with furries.  In which case I need an explanation immediately so I know where I need to not be on that diagram.
 
2013-03-26 04:37:37 PM  
I went to a doctor once and he spent the entire 45 minute exam with his finger up my ass.  I guess it was a doctor.  He only spoke Spanish and I paid him in paper tickets.  But I felt good knowing that I at least had some level of access to health care.
 
2013-03-26 04:37:45 PM  
img208.imageshack.us
I still believe!!!
 
2013-03-26 04:38:23 PM  
 
2013-03-26 04:38:51 PM  

Glenford: kvinesknows: I was promised a Venn diagram in thread.


That's....that's awesome!
 
2013-03-26 04:39:19 PM  

spentmiles: I went to a doctor once and he spent the entire 45 minute exam with his finger up my ass.  I guess it was a doctor.  He only spoke Spanish and I paid him in paper tickets.  But I felt good knowing that I at least had some level of access to health care.


I believes you owe me another keyboard.
 
2013-03-26 04:39:53 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: This sums it up for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M


Relax, I have a septic tank and live in a county full of manure pits.
Open manure pits.
there aren't any fish in our rivers.
Too much ammonia in the water.
 
2013-03-26 04:40:41 PM  
Bollocks.
s21.postimg.org
The bullocks bollocks.
 
2013-03-26 04:41:08 PM  

js34603: I believe in nothing.

/yes it is exhausting


Farking Nihilists!
3.bp.blogspot.com
/hot like a nihilist's over-driven brain
 
2013-03-26 04:42:48 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul....


Pfft.

I believe in rainbows, and puppy dogs and fairy tales. And I believe
in the family: Mom, and Dad, and Grandma, and Uncle Todd, who waves
his penis.

And I believe in 8 of the Ten Commandments, and I believe in going to
church every Sunday, unless there's a game on.

And I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome, and
natural things that money can buy.

And I believe it's derogatory to refer to a woman's breasts as "boobs",
"jugs", "winnebagos", or "golden bozos". And you should only refer to
them as "hooters".

And I believe you should place a woman on a pedestal, high enough so
you can look up her dress.

And I believe in equality, equality for everyone, no matter how stupid
they are, or how much better I am than they are.

And people say I'm crazy for believing this, but I believe that robots
are stealing my luggage.

And I believe I made a mistake when I bought a 30-story, one-bedroom
apartment.

And I believe that the "Battle of the Network Stars" should be fought
with guns.

And I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once
was: an arctic region, covered with ice.

And I believe the United States should all foreigners in this country,
provided they can speak our native language: Apache.

And lastly, I believe that of all the evils on this earth, there is
nothing worse than the music you are listening to right now.
 
2013-03-26 04:42:51 PM  
Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?
 
2013-03-26 04:42:51 PM  

DesertDemonWY: [i1057.photobucket.com image 700x537]


i.imgur.com
ftfy.
 
2013-03-26 04:43:19 PM  
I thought we already had this thread.
 
2013-03-26 04:43:32 PM  

gweilo8888: I believe this is not bollocks.


Never mind the bollocks, man.
 
2013-03-26 04:44:01 PM  
Detox: call it bollocks if you want, if you drink a glass of green leaf juice 3x day for a week, you will have a moving experience.
 
2013-03-26 04:44:22 PM  
I believe I'll have another beer.
 
2013-03-26 04:44:27 PM  

Corvus: vudukungfu: I was the biggest disbeliever in chiropractic,
that is. until the doctor gave me Valium for my back pain.
There are a few things I cannot abide by in my life, but taking narcotics to sleep at night is one of them.
I absolutely detest narcotics.
I like having a clear head.
I didn't want to go to see a chiropractor, but I was sweeping the floor in terrible pain, at my old job, and had to bend over to pick up a blow in ad that fell out of a stack of newspapers.
I flipped it over and it was a full page ad for this new chiro in town. So I made an appointment and gave it a chance. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done this, but I was delirious from lack of sleep, pain, and drugs.
I was so out of it the day of the visit, I could barely dress, and went to the office for the visit with my frikkin fly down. I didn't care. I was in pain. Guy gave me an X-Ray, asked if I had been a a car wreck. (I had) and gave me a themo-graphic reading on the back to narrow down where the pain was, with out asking me.
Mind you, when I went to the REAL doctor, I told him it felt like I had an Ice Pick in my back. He didn't ask me to remove my shirt. The guy didn't even turn me around to see if I actually had an ice pick in my back. He just wrote me a scrip for Valium.
The chiropractor had me sit down, and tapped my back in one spot, and said is this where it hurts most?
BINGO. He knew where it was through his diagnostic check up.
He gave me one adjustment and it was like the ice pick was taken out. I flushed the pulls right down the john. never took one again. I still go in for adjustments, but I'm not drooling on my keyboard.

So ymmv, but call be a believer.
a convert.

You aware orginally chiropractics believed that can heal ANY ailment through adjustments? Like including diseases and such., not just problem muscles and bad backs.  That's what they are referring to. They mostly have moved away from this.


Kind of. They downplay it publicly but they still make the claims. From the ACA website

Scope of Practice
Doctors of chiropractic frequently treat individuals with neuromusculoskeletal complaints, such as headaches, joint pain, neck pain, low back pain and sciatica. Chiropractors also treat patients with osteoarthritis, spinal disk conditions, carpal tunnel syndrome, tendonitis, sprains, and strains. However, the scope of conditions that Doctors of chiropractic manage or provide care for is not limited to neuromusculoskeletal disorders. Chiropractors have the training to treat a variety of non-neuromusculoskeletal conditions such as: allergies, asthma, digestive disorders, otitis media (non-suppurative) and other disorders as new research is developed.
A variety of techniques, treatment and procedure are used to restore healing which will be the topic of future education releases.

"   The benefits of chiropractic care extend to general health issues, as well, since our body structure affects our overall function."
 
2013-03-26 04:45:18 PM  

spentmiles: I went to a doctor once and he spent the entire 45 minute exam with his finger up my ass.  I guess it was a doctor.  He only spoke Spanish and I paid him in paper tickets.  But I felt good knowing that I at least had some level of access to health care.


Thanks a lot  El'Bama.
 
2013-03-26 04:46:34 PM  

Barnstormer: I believe in the elixir of youth
And I believe in the absolute truth
Yes I believe in
I believe in

There is no love in this world anymore
There is no love in this world anymore


Think I'll play that on the jukebox tonight
 
2013-03-26 04:47:32 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-26 04:47:41 PM  
That's a keeper.
 
2013-03-26 04:48:14 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Bollocks.
[s21.postimg.org image 375x500]
The bullocks bollocks.


No, that's cupping
 
2013-03-26 04:50:08 PM  
I believe in life after love.
 
2013-03-26 04:51:08 PM  

ParagonComplex: Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.


Lucid dreaming is lucid dreaming

Believing that your soul left your body and returned is an out of body experience (and bullocks).
 
2013-03-26 04:51:08 PM  

rkiller1: ParagonComplex: Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.

Came here to say this because I've had and OOB.
/Way different than a dream
//Awesome


My OOB happened when I had a blood infection, fever, and nearly died. It was cool to be aware of what seemed to be duality in my physical self - yet singularity in my consciousness. I stood outside my window staring in at myself laid on my bed. I am aware there are things too dangerous to study, but I strongly  believe Out of Body, or Near Death Experiences, are more of an explainable phenomenon than some esoteric malarkey as people would want you and me to believe.
 
2013-03-26 04:51:14 PM  

Earguy: Well...I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.


Bollocks.

/blue ones
 
2013-03-26 04:51:52 PM  
I believe in coyotes and time as an abstract
Explain the change the difference between
What you want and what you need there's the key
Your adventure for today what do you do
Between the horns of the day?

I believe my shirt is wearing thin
And change is what I believe in
 
2013-03-26 04:52:24 PM  
Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!
 
2013-03-26 04:52:38 PM  
So if Al Gore is the father of pseudo-science does that mean he is full of bollocks?
 
2013-03-26 04:54:05 PM  

Tellingthem: Kind of. They downplay it publicly but they still make the claims. From the ACA website


My doc doesn't care.
I'm one of 50 -70 patients he has daily.
My copay with BC is $25 until I max out my visits, which I keep to once a fortnight.
He works 3 1/2 days with three day weekends every week. his wife is a professional ballet dancer.
He makes really good money and gets to attend free ballet shows.
Me, I'm not stung out and he knows I have high blood pressure and only meds will help that.
We get along, his nurse loves me, and it's on the way home from work.
At a dollar eighty a day, I'm not complaining. I can still do stage fighting, and dance, and I'm not in pain.
He's not going to cure my alcoholism, and he knows it.

But everyone in the relationship is happy. that is what matters.
 
2013-03-26 04:54:05 PM  

MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?



Where's theism, the belief that magic bunnies lay chocolate eggs?
 
2013-03-26 04:54:25 PM  

HallsOfMandos: No Fark thread is complete without an appropriate clip from Eddie Izzard.


I couldn't tell if that bit was the dog's bollocks or just complete bollocks.
 
2013-03-26 04:54:33 PM  

Ennuipoet: I don't believe in Venn diagrams!


Where's your god now?


Let this circle represent the set of things you don't believe in. Are Venn diagrams contained in that circle?
 
2013-03-26 04:55:11 PM  
There is literally no way to post in this thread without  XOR Poe/Trolling. It is a logical impossibility to not be either/or, or both.

that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

So that's a major flaw with this diagram.
 
2013-03-26 04:55:41 PM  
I can't really belief farkers would riducule everyone else's believes.
 
2013-03-26 04:55:59 PM  
"It's so hard to believe in anything anymore. I mean, it's like, religion-you really can't take it seriously, because it seems so mythological, it seems so arbitrary... But, on the other hand, science is just pure empiricism, and by virtue of its method, it excludes metaphysics. I guess I wouldn't believe in anything any more if it weren't for my lucky astrology mood watch."

-Steve Martin
 
2013-03-26 04:56:50 PM  

Sofa King Smart: HallsOfMandos: No Fark thread is complete without an appropriate clip from Eddie Izzard.

I couldn't tell if that bit was the dog's bollocks or just complete bollocks.


3 min mark... is the bollocks bit.
 
2013-03-26 04:58:39 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Bollocks.
[s21.postimg.org image 375x500]
The bullocks bollocks.


I thought that's what cupping was. Huh.
 
2013-03-26 04:59:53 PM  

jaytkay: Day_Old_Dutchie: Bollocks.
[s21.postimg.org image 375x500]
The bullocks bollocks.

No, that's cupping


dammitall
 
2013-03-26 05:00:01 PM  
Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.
 
2013-03-26 05:00:42 PM  
Good luck with that, I don't even believe in nothing!
 
2013-03-26 05:01:54 PM  
Where's miraculous life extension technology?
 
2013-03-26 05:02:21 PM  

special20: I am aware there are things too dangerous to study, but I strongly believe Out of Body, or Near Death Experiences, are more of an explainable phenomenon than some esoteric malarkey as people would want you and me to believe.


Some people have studied being dead in detail, since those who were dead and can talk about it are often revived in a hospital where doctors can quiz them. Here is a starter interview.

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172495667/resuscitation-experiences-an d- erasing-death
 
2013-03-26 05:02:55 PM  

Farce-Side: I thought we already had this thread.


This topic is basically every single thread on Fark.
 
2013-03-26 05:03:42 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


You don't mean "menial"; the word is "trivial," s**t for brains, and you should be taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot for misusing it, except that would be a waste of a bullet.

/this post closed captioned for the hard of sarcasm.
 
2013-03-26 05:04:28 PM  
If only you believed like I believe, baby, we'd get by.

/Don't stop believin'.
 
2013-03-26 05:05:01 PM  
I believe 97% of Farkers are clueless, emotionally-driven moron with no concept of anything they haven't been brainwashed to believe.

the other 3% are badgered and ridiculed for trying to have intelligent discussions without all the drama... which makes them the dumbest people on Fark for believing they can have such a thing.

PROVE ME WRONG!
 
2013-03-26 05:05:03 PM  
I'm disappointed in the lack of Orbs ITT. Also why are Orbs not real?

/you will receive double points for Palmistry Orbs
 
2013-03-26 05:05:18 PM  
WTF is wrong with cupping?  Everyone knows that to give a really good blowjob, you have to cup the balls...
 
m00
2013-03-26 05:06:03 PM  
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-03-26 05:06:38 PM  

MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?


static.prtst.net
 
2013-03-26 05:07:02 PM  

diaphoresis: I believe 97% of Farkers are clueless, emotionally-driven moron with no concept of anything they haven't been brainwashed to believe.

the other 3% are badgered and ridiculed for trying to have intelligent discussions without all the drama... which makes them the dumbest people on Fark for believing they can have such a thing.

PROVE ME WRONG!


Well...that's just like, your opinion man...
 
2013-03-26 05:07:11 PM  

CheekyMonkey: WTF is wrong with cupping?  Everyone knows that to give a really good blowjob, you have to cup the balls...


Your mom IS the expert, after all.
 
2013-03-26 05:07:46 PM  
No one needs a picture to tell you that when "real" science is correct, no one cares because those people by and large are bigger assholes than anyone mentioned in the Venn.
 
2013-03-26 05:08:14 PM  

SultanofSchwing: diaphoresis: I believe 97% of Farkers are clueless, emotionally-driven moron with no concept of anything they haven't been brainwashed to believe.

the other 3% are badgered and ridiculed for trying to have intelligent discussions without all the drama... which makes them the dumbest people on Fark for believing they can have such a thing.

PROVE ME WRONG!

Well...that's just like, your opinion man...


LOL.. damn you're good
 
2013-03-26 05:09:05 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 510x505]


Loo: And who are they?
Dr. Klahn: Refuse, found in waterfront bars.
Loo: Shanghaied?Dr. Klahn: Just lost drunken men who don't know where they are and no longer care.
Prisoner #1: Where are we?
Prisoner #2: I don't care!
Loo: And these?
Dr. Klahn: These are lost drunken men who don't know where they are, but do care! And these are men who know where they are and care, but don't drink.
Prisoner #3: I don't know who I am?
Prisoner #4: And I don't drink!
Dr. Klahn: Guards! [to prisoner] Do you care?
Prisoner #5: No.
Dr. Klahn: Put this man in cell #1, and give him a drink.
Guard: What do you drink?
Prisoner #5: I don't care.
 
2013-03-26 05:09:48 PM  
I don't have a problem with people having beliefs as long as they are not harming anyone or attempting to shove it down anyone's throat, and that goes for atheists as well.  I'm in the "I don't know, and having the arrogance to assume I know the truth is unwise) camp.  When my mother prays to St. Jude for my hopeless soul, I just say "thank you."  I don't get upset about it.  Aome atheists will get downright pissed about that kind of stuff.  It's weird.  They get evangelical in their atheism, they feel the need to educate everyone about the lack of science in their beliefs; and frankly, I start viewing them like the fundies when they start that.
 
2013-03-26 05:11:26 PM  

willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.


That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.
 
2013-03-26 05:11:42 PM  

diaphoresis: I believe 97% of Farkers are clueless, emotionally-driven moron with no concept of anything they haven't been brainwashed to believe.

the other 3% are badgered and ridiculed for trying to have intelligent discussions without all the drama... which makes them the dumbest people on Fark for believing they can have such a thing.

PROVE ME WRONG!


I'm thinking the burden is on you, brah!
 
2013-03-26 05:12:55 PM  
rainbowbridge.jpg
 
2013-03-26 05:13:01 PM  
I believe the Cowboys will win the SuperBowl every year.

I don't judge anyone for the ridiculous things they believe.
 
2013-03-26 05:13:24 PM  

tylerdurden217: diaphoresis: I believe 97% of Farkers are clueless, emotionally-driven moron with no concept of anything they haven't been brainwashed to believe.

the other 3% are badgered and ridiculed for trying to have intelligent discussions without all the drama... which makes them the dumbest people on Fark for believing they can have such a thing.

PROVE ME WRONG!

I'm thinking the burden is on you, brah!


Easy now... thinking isn't a Farkers strong suit.... sit down.. I'll get ya a few beers
 
2013-03-26 05:14:03 PM  

jaytkay: Lucid dreaming is lucid dreaming

Believing that your soul left your body and returned is an out of body experience (and bullocks).


Oh, I get it now. The diagram is for people that think it actually happened instead of understanding it as a lucid dream. You can chalk up the vast majority of everything in that diagram to simple lack of education/understanding.
 
2013-03-26 05:14:41 PM  

onyxruby: Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!


Excuse me sir, do you have any pamphlets or perhaps a temple where I can worship?
 
2013-03-26 05:14:42 PM  

meanmutton: meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.

In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.


"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

God doesn't need your review to justify His existence.  That's why He's God, and you're not.
 
2013-03-26 05:14:51 PM  

Caffandtranqs: I don't have a problem with people having beliefs as long as they are not harming anyone or attempting to shove it down anyone's throat, and that goes for atheists as well.  I'm in the "I don't know, and having the arrogance to assume I know the truth is unwise) camp.  When my mother prays to St. Jude for my hopeless soul, I just say "thank you."  I don't get upset about it.  Aome atheists will get downright pissed about that kind of stuff.  It's weird.  They get evangelical in their atheism, they feel the need to educate everyone about the lack of science in their beliefs; and frankly, I start viewing them like the fundies when they start that.


As an atheist, I too find those types of so called "Atheists" to be annoying as fark.  They usually have some other irritating character flaw driving it though.  Same goes for vegans and hippies.
 
2013-03-26 05:15:44 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Bollocks.
[s21.postimg.org image 375x500]
The bullocks bollocks.


I think I can follow that up with a Venn diagram:

www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-03-26 05:15:50 PM  
Joel Schumacher > Tim Burton

/suck it
 
2013-03-26 05:15:58 PM  

Mouser: meanmutton: meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.

In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

God doesn't need your review to justify His existence.  That's why He's God, and you're not.


How convenient.  Don't you think?
 
2013-03-26 05:16:11 PM  
ParagonComplex:  You can chalk up the vast majority of everything in that diagram to simple lack of education/understanding.

and thus, Fark.com and Reddit.com were born
 
2013-03-26 05:16:46 PM  

diaphoresis: Easy now... thinking isn't a Farkers strong suit.... sit down.. I'll get ya a few beers



Already sitting and drinking. You have some catching up to do apparently.
 
2013-03-26 05:16:52 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.


Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo. The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.
 
2013-03-26 05:18:12 PM  

tylerdurden217: diaphoresis: Easy now... thinking isn't a Farkers strong suit.... sit down.. I'll get ya a few beers


Already sitting and drinking. You have some catching up to do apparently.


/sits down and orders 6 rounds of beer
 
2013-03-26 05:19:38 PM  
Karnaugh maps are superior to venn diagrams!
 
2013-03-26 05:20:10 PM  
In before "atheism is a religion".
 
2013-03-26 05:20:36 PM  

meat0918: Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia

 I'm not sure you know what the Shroud of Turin looks like.
 
2013-03-26 05:20:55 PM  
images.laws.com

That chart looked like 'Brain Eating Amoeba' having group sex.


/And both have the same effect on humans
 
2013-03-26 05:22:17 PM  
Chiropractor:  "So, Horse, are you still experiencing any neck pain?"

Horse:  "Neigh."

Chiropractor: "Excellent.  See you next week."

Horse:

Chiropractor:
 
2013-03-26 05:22:48 PM  

Begoggle: In before "atheism is a religion".




Link
You're late.
 
2013-03-26 05:25:03 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fark my sister!
 
2013-03-26 05:27:59 PM  
s21.postimg.org
 
2013-03-26 05:28:31 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Caffandtranqs: I don't have a problem with people having beliefs as long as they are not harming anyone or attempting to shove it down anyone's throat, and that goes for atheists as well.  I'm in the "I don't know, and having the arrogance to assume I know the truth is unwise) camp.  When my mother prays to St. Jude for my hopeless soul, I just say "thank you."  I don't get upset about it.  Aome atheists will get downright pissed about that kind of stuff.  It's weird.  They get evangelical in their atheism, they feel the need to educate everyone about the lack of science in their beliefs; and frankly, I start viewing them like the fundies when they start that.

As an atheist, I too find those types of so called "Atheists" to be annoying as fark.  They usually have some other irritating character flaw driving it though.  Same goes for vegans and hippies.


Yeah, I have a friend who constantly posts things about atheism on Facebook.  I don't say anything to her, but I think to myself, "She's just as obssessive about this as ____ is about his Jesus posts."
 
2013-03-26 05:28:33 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


Happens to the best of us, even me.
 
2013-03-26 05:28:46 PM  

Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

[static.prtst.net image 450x300]


Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.

athe·ism
Function: noun
: the belief that there is no God

/assuming you believe in the dictionary
 
2013-03-26 05:28:47 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm
 
2013-03-26 05:30:23 PM  
willfullyobscureIGNORANT: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo. The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The two studies you linked were 1) a study of electroacupuncture, which is not acupunture, and 2) a study that showed that different regions seemed to block pain for different horses, for different sexes, for different amounts, when only 23 horses in total were used for the study.  Bottom line: You are looking for data to support the belief you already have instead of looking at the data to determine what conclusions you should draw from it.  From this I conclude that you are a gullible or willfully ignorant person, and no amount of evidence is going to sway you.

Here's what would convince ME that acupuncture works:  Demonstrating that it works in a controlled environment in a repeatable, scrutable, falsifiable way.  This has yet to be done, and it's been around for literally thousands of years.

Here's what would convince YOU that acupuncture works: Anything demonstrating that it could possibly work.

What would convince you that acupunture is no better than placebo? [INSERT ANSWER HERE]

There's your problem right there.
 
2013-03-26 05:31:29 PM  
Hmm, palmistry and tarot should be in the pure psuedoscience group with astrology, they're closely related via effect-by-association belief systems. I don't think there's supposed to be anything paranormal about orgone energy, either, that should be in the psuedoscience+quackery group.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:13 PM  
If I like you, I would strongly recommend you not fark my sisters.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:16 PM  

Farce-Side: I thought we already had this thread.


If we had, deja vu would be on the Venn diagram.
 
2013-03-26 05:33:56 PM  

special20: rkiller1: ParagonComplex: Why are out of body experiences there? They're nothing more than misunderstood lucid dreams. People swear to be damned they're real, but to them (and their minds) they are. The mind behaves as if it is fully awake during sleep, and lucid dreams are just as real as me typing this right now.

Came here to say this because I've had and OOB.
/Way different than a dream
//Awesome

My OOB happened when I had a blood infection, fever, and nearly died. It was cool to be aware of what seemed to be duality in my physical self - yet singularity in my consciousness. I stood outside my window staring in at myself laid on my bed. I am aware there are things too dangerous to study, but I strongly  believe Out of Body, or Near Death Experiences, are more of an explainable phenomenon than some esoteric malarkey as people would want you and me to believe.


I don't know you and couldn't find a convenient email link on your website, so if you wanna read further:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130872485066  If not, then don't.  Peace.
 
2013-03-26 05:34:40 PM  

technofiend: Excuse me sir, do you have any pamphlets or perhaps a temple where I can worship?


It's hard to argue with the south of France, Brazil or some of the nude pools in Las Vegas. If needed you can always use a pay temple like Deja Vu, Scores or one of the ones on this handy religious

http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2012/02/50-best-strip-clubs-in-ame ri ca/ pamphlet. However one of the great Meccas is held every year at Sturgis where they spiritual freedom is always easier to obtain. It's a bit late, however spring break in Miami is always going to satisfy.
 
2013-03-26 05:35:20 PM  

diaphoresis: and thus, Fark.com and Reddit.com were born


Not sure I'd couple those Reddit faiulres of humanity with Fark, tho.

/lawn, off.
 
2013-03-26 05:36:41 PM  
I believe in pretty girls.

// But in nothing listed on the chart
 
2013-03-26 05:37:01 PM  
I believe "The Wire" is overrated.

/made through one and half seasons before I gave up out of boredom
 
2013-03-26 05:37:12 PM  
 
2013-03-26 05:38:38 PM  

MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.


Dude, that doesn't even rhyme.
 
2013-03-26 05:38:42 PM  

technofiend: onyxruby: Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!

Excuse me sir, do you have any pamphlets or perhaps a temple where I can worship?


They are around. I would check near major highways in bad parts of town and near military bases.
 
2013-03-26 05:40:09 PM  

hinten:

Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.

From headline: "This is the thread where you defend what you believe in and call everyone else's believes beliefs bollocks."  "Believes" is a verb.  "Belief" is a noun.  The object of a sentence cannot be a verb.  Stated succinctly enough for you?
 
2013-03-26 05:43:10 PM  

WhippingBoy: I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Unless we stop them now.
 
2013-03-26 05:43:40 PM  
Old McDonald had an alternative medicine practice.
E-I-E-I-O
And in his alternative medicine practice he had some Chiropractors.
E-I-E-I-O
With a Back Crack Quack here
and a Back Crack Quack there...
 
2013-03-26 05:43:49 PM  

MaxxLarge:

No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.
And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?
 
2013-03-26 05:44:15 PM  
Lol bollocks. Thats rich
 
2013-03-26 05:45:14 PM  
This diagram is missing a whole "conspiracy bollocks" blob. It can overlap the "psuedoscientific bollocks" blob for moon-denialists and chemtrail furries, but also give a good home for the birthers etc.

/Aromatherapy is actually kinda "effective" for problems that are in your head anyway, which thankfully most of mine are at the moment.
//But generally not half as much as a good meal and a bottle of wine
 
2013-03-26 05:45:16 PM  

vudukungfu: thisisyourbrainonFark: This sums it up for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

Relax, I have a septic tank and live in a county full of manure pits.
Open manure pits.
there aren't any fish in our rivers.
Too much ammonia in the water.


Is that a toxic haiku?
 
2013-03-26 05:45:47 PM  

willfullyobscure: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo.


As I said, that turns out not to be the case.  You can find studies that show an effect.  You can find many more that don't.  That's why people conduct meta-analyses:  to see what the total weight of evidence across all the studies shows.  And the meta-analyses always show that there isn't any large consistent effect distinguishable from a placebo.

The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The major thing we don't understand is why people believe it's not a placebo, despite all evidence to the contrary.  (Well, we do understand much of that:  selective cherry-picking of studies.)
 
2013-03-26 05:46:03 PM  
saying "In God we trust" is exactly like saying "We don't trust anybody".
 
2013-03-26 05:46:20 PM  
And....what about what that Albert Einstein guy said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings" and "Science without religion is lame."  I wonder if the artist of the Venn diagram would tell Einstein about the bollocks he believes.
 
2013-03-26 05:47:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf:

If it has a steady paycheck, I'll believe anything you say


media.philly.com

 
2013-03-26 05:48:17 PM  

BafflerMeal: Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm


As I said, you can get the same effect as acupuncture by inserting needles in random places, or not inserting needles at all.  The study you link to has nothing to do with acupuncture points.  Acupuncture isn't simply sticking needles in things.  There's a whole systematic method behind how you do it, which is bunk.
 
2013-03-26 05:48:26 PM  

crazyeddie: 2) a study that showed that different regions seemed to block pain for different horses, for different sexes, for different amounts,


I originally read that as "different religions seemed to block pain for different horses".
 
2013-03-26 05:49:10 PM  

BafflerMeal: Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: that said, Acupuncture should most definitely be off this list, as there is a large canon(decades worth) of well-established, properly conducted double blind research that shows that it has a  definitive, beneficial effects.

That turns out not to be the case.  Or rather, it does have "beneficial" effects, in the sense that placebos have beneficial effects:  it's purely psychological, not physiological.  You can get the same effect by inserting the needles in random places unrelated to accupuncture points or meridians, using fake accupuncture needles that don't actually puncture the skin, etc.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm


BTW, more discussion of this study.
 
2013-03-26 05:49:24 PM  

GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?


I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.
 
2013-03-26 05:51:21 PM  

MBooda: Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.


In case you're not trolling, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief", whether those two statements are equivalent or distinct, and whether "belief that there God" is as epistemologically justifiable as "lacking a belief in God".
 
2013-03-26 05:53:11 PM  
meanmutton: In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.

Mouser: God doesn't need your review to justify His existence. That's why He's God, and you're not.


Prove it.

// See what I did there?
 
2013-03-26 05:54:06 PM  

Ambitwistor: As I said, you can get the same effect as acupuncture by inserting needles in random places, or not inserting needles at all. The study you link to has nothing to do with acupuncture points. Acupuncture isn't simply sticking needles in things.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Would like a word with you.
 
2013-03-26 05:54:16 PM  

Loadmaster: Dude, that doesn't even rhyme.


A myth is religion plus time
one hundred percent of the time
We've never had gods
just trolls and Fark mods
and dark rum with cola and lime
 
2013-03-26 05:54:34 PM  

Chach:

If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

It's simple...  It is the product of medieval forgers.  They used an ultraviolet laser to etch the image, and they used a Silicon Graphics computer to generate the 3-D imagery. Those are OLD computers, you know.
 
2013-03-26 05:55:03 PM  

Ambitwistor: MBooda: Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.

In case you're not trolling, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief", whether those two statements are equivalent or distinct, and whether "belief that there God" is as epistemologically justifiable as "lacking a belief in God".


There wolf?

Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.
 
2013-03-26 05:56:10 PM  
I love how he thinks he's making an impact.
Nobody who believes he can think critically would disagree, and nobody who actually does would care.
 
2013-03-26 05:58:49 PM  

Nightie don't call me Wig: meat0918: Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia
 I'm not sure you know what the Shroud of Turin looks like.


I'll admit I had this mixed up with something else.

I do however take offense to the idea that someone couldn't have figured out how to imprint that on a shroud as a hoax back in the day (like the 1200-1400 AD range).  Religious relics declared false by the heads of the particular religion in question are quite common, and outnumber those declared "true".

I truly find it insulting to human intellect that people have to fall back to the divine or the extraterrestrial or the other supernatural explanations because they cannot imagine ancient humans having the ingenuity and intelligence to do some of what they did.  We have examples of one off technologies like Hero's engine.  Humans built the Pyramids, the Great Wall, the Nazca Lines.

Even today, we are constantly amazed at the lengths people will go to in order to manufacture new hoaxes and scams.
 
2013-03-26 05:58:55 PM  

meat0918:

Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia

Wow.  Thanks for the wonderful example of bollocks.  You'll apparently believe anything to support your beliefs.  Tell me if you see a face in the following image:

www.shroudofturin.com

 
2013-03-26 05:59:56 PM  

SlothB77: ROLFing?  is that like ROTFLMAO?


It's a form of deep tissue massage. I just learned the term the other day reading this:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-26 06:00:13 PM  

meanmutton: DesertDemonWY: [i1057.photobucket.com image 700x537]

Hey, I one-up Jimmy and just put certain people on ignore.


Wouldn't want to be confronted with any of those pesky differing opinions would you.

Mouser: meanmutton: meanmutton: MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

That's an amazingly unscientific viewpoint.

In case you're wondering, the scientific viewpoint is: No credible evidence has been put forth to lead to a reasonable conclusion that gods exist; thus, we do not accept their existence but are willing to review this conclusion should new evidence be presented.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

God doesn't need your review to justify His existence.  That's why He's God, and you're not.


If only there were a way to test the existence of things...
 
2013-03-26 06:00:32 PM  
rkiller1: I don't know you and couldn't find a convenient email link on your website, so if you wanna read further:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130872485066  If not, then don't.  Peace.


Could you fill me in on why the eBay auction has some relevance? Suffice to say, I've experienced it, and still believe there is more of a scientific reason than any nonsense made up by a swami.

BTW, my website won't have any email links - as it's main purpose is to offer anonymity. I thought I had EIP going on... guess not. Cheers.
 
2013-03-26 06:02:09 PM  

MaxxLarge: GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.And you would prove that statement.... How, exactly?

I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines.


I proved it with tea leaves and phrenology.
 
2013-03-26 06:02:32 PM  

fusillade762: SlothB77: ROLFing?  is that like ROTFLMAO?

It's a form of deep tissue massage. I just learned the term the other day reading this:


"Why People Believe Weird Things" is a good book.  I also really like Gilovich's "How We Know What Isn't So", although it's focused on cognitive biases more generally than just pseudoscience.
 
2013-03-26 06:03:53 PM  

thrasherrr: special20: I am aware there are things too dangerous to study, but I strongly believe Out of Body, or Near Death Experiences, are more of an explainable phenomenon than some esoteric malarkey as people would want you and me to believe.

Some people have studied being dead in detail, since those who were dead and can talk about it are often revived in a hospital where doctors can quiz them. Here is a starter interview.

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172495667/resuscitation-experiences-an d- erasing-death


Outside of having details gathered through circumstance, the actual process of conducting a scientific study is likely too dangerous. Data is fine, but how it's derived outside of a controlled environment (inducing near death, or death and revival) there is no relevant study I am aware of - or rather - interested in at this time.
Thanks for the link I might have stumbled across myself... had I had any interest in the topic. You're cool.
 
2013-03-26 06:05:22 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Ambitwistor: As I said, you can get the same effect as acupuncture by inserting needles in random places, or not inserting needles at all. The study you link to has nothing to do with acupuncture points. Acupuncture isn't simply sticking needles in things.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x226]

Would like a word with you.


See, this just supports my point.  There's a whole theory behind acupuncture ... qi meridians ... Lament Configurations ...
 
2013-03-26 06:07:31 PM  

ACunningPlan:

TheOmni: There's at least eight things on that diagram that I've never even heard of before. Rolfing? I'm really hoping that's not what I think it is.

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?

It's a TSA procedure.  Here's a training photo:

i49.tinypic.com

 
2013-03-26 06:08:08 PM  

GeneralJim: meat0918: Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia
Wow.  Thanks for the wonderful example of bollocks.  You'll apparently believe anything to support your beliefs.  Tell me if you see a face in the following image:
[www.shroudofturin.com image 282x298]


I see a lamp, sitting on a table, casting a faint light around it.
 
2013-03-26 06:08:27 PM  

Ambitwistor: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm


The citations are a playground of good information about adenosine production using deep brain stimulation.  Thanks for the links.

Acupuncture still falls under the "Sigh, ok so we haven't disproven it in the technical sense, because science doesn't work that way.  However, we can provisionally reject the claims it makes."

Read  The Believing Brain for a fun understanding of why people believe stupid shiat and won't listen to all the reasons they are full of bullocks.
 
2013-03-26 06:10:26 PM  

meat0918: Even today, we are constantly amazed at the lengths people will go to in order to manufacture new hoaxes and scams.


Is congress in session again?
 
2013-03-26 06:14:20 PM  

SithLord:

I once played poker with a tarot deck. I got a full house and my neighbor died.
"Last night I was playing poker with a tarot deck. I got a full house, and three people died." - Steven Wright
 
2013-03-26 06:16:25 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.


hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com
I don't believe in atheism.
 
2013-03-26 06:19:51 PM  

abfalter:

You have it wrong. The truth is that BOTH Lee Harvey Oswald's acted alone (and independantly).

They did it without the apostrophe, and neither one of them was dangling from anything.


mizzbree.files.wordpress.com

 
2013-03-26 06:20:18 PM  
GeneralJim: Tell me if you see a face in the following image:
[www.shroudofturin.com image]


Rindred:
I see a lamp, sitting on a table, casting a faint light around it.

FSM. Evidence:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-26 06:20:54 PM  

GiantRex: Jubeebee: Why is detox in quackery/psuedoscience? Doesn't drug rehab show a lot of real efficacy?

The detox that this diagram includes is not the drug rehab kind (which does show a lot of real efficacy). It's the kind of detox in which people try to rid their bodies of mysterious unnamed "toxins" by dubious methods, usually by buying a blatantly bullshiat product. The product I've heard the most about is a type of pad that you stick on your feet. After you've left the pad on for a while, it turns brown and smelly, and when you remove it the damn thing looks just awful because it "sucked the toxins of of your body" through your feet. Chemical analysis of these pads shows that they are actually simple adhesive pads laced with chemicals that react with oils and bacteria commonly found on feet to cause the brown color and bad smell, which is just for show.


Or is it?

Could be doing a ton of bad.
 
2013-03-26 06:21:29 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]
I don't believe in atheism.


So...you don't believe that someone can not believe in something?

HEY! You're trying to divide by zero again aren't you?!
 
2013-03-26 06:24:07 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo.

As I said, that turns out not to be the case.  You can find studies that show an effect.  You can find many more that don't.  That's why people conduct meta-analyses:  to see what the total weight of evidence across all the studies shows.  And the meta-analyses always show that there isn't any large consistent effect distinguishable from a placebo.

The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The major thing we don't understand is why people believe it's not a placebo, despite all evidence to the contrary.  (Well, we do understand much of that:  selective cherry-picking of studies.)


Well, here is a nice discussion of a recent metastudy that shows beyond any shadow of a doubt, that acunpuncture is more than just placebo. Amply illustrated and easy to understand. Give it a read, I think you'll see that you're beaten- its right there in black and white.
 
2013-03-26 06:25:03 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Danger Avoid Death: thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]
I don't believe in atheism.

So...you don't believe that someone can not believe in something?

HEY! You're trying to divide by zero again aren't you?!


I don't believe so.
 
2013-03-26 06:26:21 PM  

willfullyobscure: Give it a read, I think you'll see that you're beaten- its right there in black and white.


If someone were beaten, wouldn't it be right there in black and blue?
 
2013-03-26 06:27:36 PM  
crazyeddie: willfullyobscureIGNORANT: Dude, it works on horses and rabbits. There are dozens of studies that show it's not a placebo. The major thing we don't understand about acupuncture is how and why it works.

The two studies you linked were 1) a study of electroacupuncture, which is not acupunture, and 2) a study that showed that different regions seemed to block pain for different horses, for different sexes, for different amounts, when only 23 horses in total were used for the study.  Bottom line: You are looking for data to support the belief you already have instead of looking at the data to determine what conclusions you should draw from it.  From this I conclude that you are a gullible or willfully ignorant person, and no amount of evidence is going to sway you.

Here's what would convince ME that acupuncture works:  Demonstrating that it works in a controlled environment in a repeatable, scrutable, falsifiable way.  This has yet to be done, and it's been around for literally thousands of years.

Here's what would convince YOU that acupuncture works: Anything demonstrating that it could possibly work.

What would convince you that acupunture is no better than placebo?
[Seeing that conjecture supported in the research.]

There's your problem right there.

Here, let me help
 
2013-03-26 06:33:02 PM  

MaxxLarge: Mythology is just religion plus time. Forever and always, 100% of the time. No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and hazard a guess: you're a mess of a person.
 
2013-03-26 06:34:56 PM  

hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.


Seems like it changes from third person to first person to me.

Who really cares though?  Entertaining diagram, workable title.
 
2013-03-26 06:37:09 PM  

willfullyobscure: Well, here is a nice discussion of a recent metastudy that shows beyond any shadow of a doubt, that acunpuncture is more than just placebo.


Uh ...

That was the very same link that I cited in my original response to you, which shows that acupuncture is NOT more than just a placebo.  The estimated effect size is so small that, as the article points out, it "it falls below the minimally accepted threshold for a clinically noticeable reduction in pain. The authors even speculated that it was so low that it could not be distinguished from bias that might result from the difficulty in truly double-blinding acupuncture studies."
 
2013-03-26 06:45:08 PM  

dabbletech: Speaker2Animals: God is a concept, by which we measure our pain.

A comma is a punctuation mark, which is often overused.


I don't believe in grammar...
I don't believe in spelling...
I don't believe in punctuation...

I just believe in me
Kate Upton and me...
 
2013-03-26 06:45:28 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: Well, here is a nice discussion of a recent metastudy that shows beyond any shadow of a doubt, that acunpuncture is more than just placebo.

Uh ...

That was the very same link that I cited in my original response to you, which shows that acupuncture is NOT more than just a placebo.  The estimated effect size is so small that, as the article points out, it "it falls below the minimally accepted threshold for a clinically noticeable reduction in pain. The authors even speculated that it was so low that it could not be distinguished from bias that might result from the difficulty in truly double-blinding acupuncture studies."


Just to be clear on the difference between "statistical significance" and "effect size":

"Statistically significant" means that an effect was detected.  "Effect size smaller than a clinically noticeable reduction in pain" means that the effect is so small that a person isn't able to tell the difference between the pain they experience with or without the acupuncture.  Which means, in practice, that it's a placebo.

Perhaps the title of the article we both linked says it all, as the author himself noted:  "Can we finally just say that acupuncture is nothing more than an elaborate placebo?  Can we?"  I don't know why you didn't read it when I first linked to it.  I guess you were so fixated on cherry-picking irrelevant studies that you only bothered to Google "meta-analysis" when I brought it up.
 
2013-03-26 06:46:06 PM  

Caffandtranqs: And....what about what that Albert Einstein guy said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings" and "Science without religion is lame."  I wonder if the artist of the Venn diagram would tell Einstein about the bollocks he believes.


A simple appeal to authority. No doubt Einstein was a damned smart man with an incredible gift for theoretical physics. However, that doesn't give him any sort of privileged insight into the existence of God or gods, nor what any god might think or concern himself with.

Stephen Hawing is also pretty damned smart, but does that mean you should trust him to handle your taxes?
 
2013-03-26 06:46:20 PM  
Q&D
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-26 06:49:13 PM  

Nightie don't call me Wig: meat0918: Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"

We do, it's called Pareidolia
 I'm not sure you know what the Shroud of Turin looks like.


How about "forgery"? Does that work for you? You know, like all those splinters of the True Cross they used to sell to pilgrims in the Holy Land.
 
2013-03-26 06:49:14 PM  

miscreant: Uncle Pim: Karma is on that chart? Karma just means cause and effect. There's nothing particularly mystical about it, despite what I read on Facebook.

Most people who use it, use it in the form of "If you do something good/bad, the universe will do something good/bad to or for you in turn", which is outside of cause and effect, and is bullshiat. Lots of people who do evil shiat live very pampered lives, and lots of good people live very harsh destitute lives.


We should go with scientific laws, then.  For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.  Thus, if you do good, it will result in the opposite.  That being evil.  That would explain why so many evil people live lives of luxery while so many good people live in the worst kind of poverty.

Hey, it's as valid as any other of those explanations.

/I'm working on producing more good in the world.
//My plan involves strippers
 
2013-03-26 06:49:33 PM  

DeerNuts: Stephen Hawing is also pretty damned smart, but does that mean you should trust him to handle your taxes?


Not if he can't even spell his own name.
 
2013-03-26 06:51:32 PM  

Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.


Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.
 
2013-03-26 06:52:12 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Agent Smiths Laugh: Danger Avoid Death: thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]
I don't believe in atheism.

So...you don't believe that someone can not believe in something?

HEY! You're trying to divide by zero again aren't you?!

I don't believe so.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-26 06:52:46 PM  

RedVentrue: Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.

Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.


be = have been
 
2013-03-26 06:53:54 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Danger Avoid Death: Agent Smiths Laugh: Danger Avoid Death: thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]
I don't believe in atheism.

So...you don't believe that someone can not believe in something?

HEY! You're trying to divide by zero again aren't you?!

I don't believe so.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]


That's -0 * -0
 
2013-03-26 06:55:07 PM  

Ambitwistor: That was the very same link that I cited in my original response to you, which shows that acupuncture is NOT more than just a placebo. The estimated effect size is so small that, as the article points out, it "it falls below the minimally accepted threshold for a clinically noticeable reduction in pain. The authors even speculated that it was so low that it could not be distinguished from bias that might result from the difficulty in truly double-blinding acupuncture studies."


They really need to be more careful where they stick those needles.
 
2013-03-26 06:58:41 PM  

OgreMagi: /I'm working on producing more good in the world.
//My plan involves strippers


Newsletter?
 
2013-03-26 07:02:52 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Bollocks.

The bullocks bollocks.


And also cupping...
 
2013-03-26 07:04:21 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: thisisyourbrainonFark: Also, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief" -- or just look at every fifth Fark thread or so.

[hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]
I don't believe in atheism.


"I don't believe you, you're a liar!"

forward.com
 
2013-03-26 07:05:12 PM  
Acupuncture?

Yeah, the whole "realignment of your energy paths" may be bollucks, but it can demonstrably be used to reduce or stop pain when needles are put in the right place to block nerve signals.
 
2013-03-26 07:07:25 PM  

Ambitwistor: willfullyobscure: Well, here is a nice discussion of a recent metastudy that shows beyond any shadow of a doubt, that acunpuncture is more than just placebo.

Uh ...

That was the very same link that I cited in my original response to you, which shows that acupuncture is NOT more than just a placebo.  The estimated effect size is so small that, as the article points out, it "it falls below the minimally accepted threshold for a clinically noticeable reduction in pain. The authors even speculated that it was so low that it could not be distinguished from bias that might result from the difficulty in truly double-blinding acupuncture studies."


i0.kym-cdn.com

you people argue EXACTLY like climate change deniers. "look! look! I found a way to add enough things together to make black into white! look!
 
2013-03-26 07:07:39 PM  

GeneralJim: ACunningPlan: TheOmni: Meat0918: Moonfisher: FloydA:

Glad I'm not the only one:)  I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's cupping?
It's a TSA procedure.  Here's a training photo:

[i49.tinypic.com image 600x416]


Well, I must confess, that's exactly the region of the anatomy to which my mind went....


Thanks chaps, I've learned something new, and something to be avoided.
 
2013-03-26 07:08:20 PM  

GreenAdder: Hey, now. I believe in tarot cards. I mean obviously they exist. You can go right to the store and get a deck. Fudge, they even have them in the dollar store.

I don't believe they can tell you the future, but they totally exist and they make great props.


I believe in them. They tell the future just as well as horoscopes, or runic stones, or lots of other mystical methods.

That is to say, they don't predict a damn thing. But as a tool for self evaluation, they can be interesting. And most of the decks are quite pretty.

Then again, I also believe in discordianism and chaos. If holding an absurd belief helps me get through the day then I shall believe something absurd for the day, and put it away tomorrow.
 
gja
2013-03-26 07:08:22 PM  

vudukungfu: I flushed the pulls right down the john


Soooo, do tell, VKF. On whut were ya pullin boy?

/i keed i keed
 
2013-03-26 07:10:25 PM  

Pert: Acupuncture?

Yeah, the whole "realignment of your energy paths" may be bollucks, but it can demonstrably be used to reduce or stop pain when needles are put in the right place to block nerve signals.


Actually, it can be shown to block pain when needles are put in random places and the client is told they are the right ones. They don't even have to be real needles, they just have to poke a little and then stick up, so metal with a bit of glue on the end.
 
2013-03-26 07:21:03 PM  

SithLord: Moonfisher: Tarot also belongs in the religion circle. Our church when I was a kid told us that tarot decks were possessed by demons and using them invited the demon into you. The deck I got as a teenager never did anything exciting, so I am dissappoint.

I once played poker with a tarot deck.  I got a full house and my neighbor died.


i pulled down between 3-400 bucks a day the summer after high school fleecing tourists for tarot readings.

it helped to have a cool deck.

it really helped to be really good at cold readings.
 
2013-03-26 07:22:05 PM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


Substitute bourbon for scotch and you've got my vote.
 
2013-03-26 07:24:01 PM  

ariseatex:

I believe in life after love.
... and autotune.
 
2013-03-26 07:25:00 PM  
DesertDemonWY:
i1057.photobucket.com

Have at you!

 www.atheistmemebase.com
i63.photobucket.com
/Set vs charge.
 
2013-03-26 07:25:42 PM  
While I believe that there is plenty that humanity doesn't understand and won't understand for the foreseeable future, I also believe that 99% of what is classified as alien/supernatural/paranormal can be classified as a "brain bug".  There is no such thing as perfect hardware and there is no such thing as perfect software.  Our brains may not have circuits like the computers we now use or even quantum computers in the future but, they are still biological computers.  They are not perfect, they have bugs, they have kinks, they have problems that some times cannot be explained.  Our brains can easily fool us into seeing or hearing or thinking things that are not true.  Proof is everywhere in things as simple as optical illusions.

If you think you have ghosts or bigfoot or deja vu, rest assured it's just a glitch in the matrix of your brain.  We aren't perfect and we shouldn't expect our brains to be bug-less.  We're still in the beta testing era, as a species.
 
2013-03-26 07:25:56 PM  

Somacandra: The funny thing is that people involved in these really won't care that anyone else thinks its bollocks. For instance, I don't care what your "evaluation" of acupuncture and chiropractic are, I've had enough experience with both to know that they've really worked well for me in handling certain issues than before I had experience with them. As a practical guy, that's all the evidence I really want or need. YMMV.


Never had acupuncture, but I will swear by Chiropractic. 25 years of regular headaches, at least once or twice a week. The Chiropractor I went to charged me $25 per session for 4 sessions and systematically adjusted my spine, starting at the neck. Hurt like hell. If the guy had been a serial killer he would have easily twisted my head off. His muscles had muscles. After the 2nd session I was walking slightly lopsided, with one leg 1/2 inch longer than the other. This went away after the 4th session. This was 8 years ago. I've never had those type of headaches since.
 
2013-03-26 07:27:17 PM  

GeneralJim: ariseatex: I believe in life after love.... and autotune.


half of the "artists" in the recording industry today wouldn't have careers without autotune.  there is a reason they all lipsynch live shows.
 
2013-03-26 07:27:56 PM  

onyxruby:

Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!

www.supertopo.com

 
2013-03-26 07:31:06 PM  
SquiggsIN:If you think you have ghosts or bigfoot or deja vu, rest assured it's just a glitch in the matrix of your brain.  We aren't perfect and we shouldn't expect our brains to be bug-less.  We're still in the beta testing era, as a species.

And it sucks that having a 'glitch' causes an anxiety attack.

/in my case, deja vu
 
2013-03-26 07:33:32 PM  
I cannot believe crystals are lumped in there. Crystals of sodium chloride dissolved in water are very effective in staving off the effects of hyponatremia. The crystals of di-hydrogen monoxide, applied directly to injured tissue constrict blood vessels and ease pain. Finally, the isometric-hexoctahedral crystals of carbon are world renowned for their ability to relieve the pain of epididymal hypertension. Paradoxically, the relief is secured by the "gifting" of the crystal to another individual.
 
2013-03-26 07:36:19 PM  
www.smidgeindustriesltd.com
 
2013-03-26 07:39:16 PM  
I believe Natives/Indians/Aboriginals/Assiniboine, whatever we call ourselves, have the right to hunt and fish where the fark we used to. I also believe that the Government "giving" us land and rights on those lands, is B-S. Our rights were demolished in the conquering of our Peoples. Now that everyone has evolved sensibilities, we deserve to exercise those farking lost rights. We demand to become the migratory, husk-gripping, air-speed velocity... er wait... what was I saying? Fark it, go 49'ers!

/African Swallows?
//irony :-p
 
2013-03-26 07:42:22 PM  
"everyone else's believes..."

"everyone else's believes..."

"everyone else's believes..."

"everyone else's believes..."

"everyone else's believes..."


"BELIEVES..."



2.bp.blogspot.com

American education detected.
 
2013-03-26 07:46:51 PM  

WippitGuud: SquiggsIN:If you think you have ghosts or bigfoot or deja vu, rest assured it's just a glitch in the matrix of your brain.  We aren't perfect and we shouldn't expect our brains to be bug-less.  We're still in the beta testing era, as a species.

And it sucks that having a 'glitch' causes an anxiety attack.

/in my case, deja vu


I experience Deja Woo all the time. It's kung fuey-rific!
 
2013-03-26 07:48:26 PM  

MaxxLarge:

GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?

I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.

I've read a lot of science papers...  and I've never yet seen a proof that God does not exist.  I imagine such would get rather wide publicity, should it exist.  In other words, I think YOU are as "victimized" by superstition as any of the theists you deride.  If you want to redeem a stupid, oversimplified statement, just point to a paper that disproves the existence of God.  Any one of the no-doubt-thousands will do.
 
2013-03-26 07:51:41 PM  

m.cdn.blog.hu

I firmly believe in smashing two bricks together

 
2013-03-26 07:54:22 PM  

TinyFist: Bollocks is a fun word.


It's the dog's bollocks in fact.
 
2013-03-26 07:59:38 PM  

SultanofSchwing: I hate Blacks, Mexicans and Chinese people!


and bigots. don't forget the bigots.
 
2013-03-26 08:06:22 PM  

miscreant: Uncle Pim: Karma is on that chart? Karma just means cause and effect. There's nothing particularly mystical about it, despite what I read on Facebook.

Most people who use it, use it in the form of "If you do something good/bad, the universe will do something good/bad to or for you in turn", which is outside of cause and effect, and is bullshiat. Lots of people who do evil shiat live very pampered lives, and lots of good people live very harsh destitute lives.


Uhm. Yes and No. The basic premise is that kharma is a universal moral law in the same sense that gravity is a universal physical law. The good or bad, right or wrong things you do in this life shape your dharma for the next life. By fulfilling your dharma, you reach a higher plane of existence; resistance to your dharma means that not only will this life suck but the next one as well.

Provable? Not hardly. Testable? Not hardly.

Either way, karma is not a "be bad today, get kicked in the nuts tomorrow" kind of deal.
 
2013-03-26 08:09:23 PM  
I BELIEEEEEVE... that women I know and like who wear bikinis to the beach should not be afraid when I stumble into their room when they are only in their lingerie!
 
2013-03-26 08:10:58 PM  
I believe in absolutely NOTHING listed on that diagram.
 
2013-03-26 08:18:01 PM  
well, damn. I believe in none of that.
 
2013-03-26 08:33:01 PM  

GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.
And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?

I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.I've read a lot of science papers...  and I've never yet seen a proof that God does not exist.  I imagine such would get rather wide publicity, should it exist.  In other words, I think YOU are as "victimized" by superstition as any of the theists you deride.  If you want to redeem a stupid, oversimplified statement, just point to a paper that disproves the existence of God.  Any one of the no-doubt-thousands will do.


I consider myself an antitheistic agnostic.  (not atheist)  My biggest problem is the vast arrogance spouted by both sides of the aisle on this, religious and atheist alike.  Insisting that your viewpoint is the correct one with no evidence is just silly and you see it every day.  I'm okay with not knowing and I wish the rest of you would stop insisting that you know something that you cannot possibly know for certain.

All things considered, if a deity were responsible for us, you'd think being omnipotent/omniscient/etc would've let to a better product.
 
2013-03-26 08:34:14 PM  

meat0918:

I do however take offense to the idea that someone couldn't have figured out how to imprint that on a shroud as a hoax back in the day (like the 1200-1400 AD range). Religious relics declared false by the heads of the particular religion in question are quite common, and outnumber those declared "true".

There are a couple of problems with that hypothesis, as related in a Fark thread a while back.  The image on the shroud is formed by heat, and only appears on the OUTSIDE of the threads being blackened.  Using a piece of hot iron, for example, to "paint" the image, would char threads all the way through.  Additionally, with computer processing, the image on the shroud forms a 3-D image of a man.  When the image was examined in the 1960s, the computers of the time (or the software, more precisely) were unable to make an image that would "pop" in 3-D like the Shroud's image does.

Yes, there were a metric buttload of false relics from medieval times.  None of the forgers, to my knowledge, ever impregnated a cloth with first-century middle-eastern pollen, made a compressed 3-D image, or etched the false relic with a high-frequency laser.  Archaeology is not my field, however, so I may have missed the 14th century version of Pixar...

 
2013-03-26 08:34:43 PM  

RelaximusPrime: I believe Natives/Indians/Aboriginals/Assiniboine, whatever we call ourselves, have the right to hunt and fish where the fark we used to. I also believe that the Government "giving" us land and rights on those lands, is B-S. Our rights were demolished in the conquering of our Peoples. Now that everyone has evolved sensibilities, we deserve to exercise those farking lost rights. We demand to become the migratory, husk-gripping, air-speed velocity... er wait... what was I saying? Fark it, go 49'ers!

/African Swallows?
//irony :-p


If the U.S. government started giving native tribes our land back, I'd gladly stand in line to receive the greater Cincinnati tri-state area.  My native ancestors were there long before my European ones got there.
 
2013-03-26 08:34:48 PM  

Fecal Conservative: Q&D
[i45.tinypic.com image 600x397]


Dooshbaggery on the right is wrong!
 
2013-03-26 08:35:48 PM  
I believe that the Lord, God, created the universe.
I believe that He sent His only Son to die for my sins.
And I believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America
I am a Mormon,
And a Mormon just believes.

I believe that God has a plan for all of us.
 I believe that plan involves me getting my own planet.
And I believe; that the current President of The Church, Thomas Monson, speaks directly to God.
I am A Mormon,
And, dang it! a Mormon just believes!

I believe that Satan has a hold of you
 I believe that the Lord, God, has sent me here
And I believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people!
You can be a Mormon..
A Mormon who just believes!

I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolob.
 I believe that Jesus has his own planet as well.
And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri.
If you believe, the Lord will reveal it.
 
2013-03-26 08:37:28 PM  
I believe submitter has a tenuous grasp of the english language and probably didn't make it past 6th grade
 
2013-03-26 08:40:45 PM  

Rindred:

I see a lamp, sitting on a table, casting a faint light around it.

Yes, very good call.  Apparently the NAZIs were not the first to make lamps out of Jews...



www.spidersweb.pl

 
2013-03-26 08:52:26 PM  

dopirt:

I cannot believe crystals are lumped in there. Crystals of sodium chloride dissolved in water are very effective in staving off the effects of hyponatremia. The crystals of di-hydrogen monoxide, applied directly to injured tissue constrict blood vessels and ease pain. Finally, the isometric-hexoctahedral crystals of carbon are world renowned for their ability to relieve the pain of epididymal hypertension. Paradoxically, the relief is secured by the "gifting" of the crystal to another individual.

BRILLIANT!   A diamond in the rough, as it were.
 
2013-03-26 08:53:07 PM  

GeneralJim: meat0918: I do however take offense to the idea that someone couldn't have figured out how to imprint that on a shroud as a hoax back in the day (like the 1200-1400 AD range). Religious relics declared false by the heads of the particular religion in question are quite common, and outnumber those declared "true".
There are a couple of problems with that hypothesis, as related in a Fark thread a while back.  The image on the shroud is formed by heat, and only appears on the OUTSIDE of the threads being blackened.  Using a piece of hot iron, for example, to "paint" the image, would char threads all the way through.  Additionally, with computer processing, the image on the shroud forms a 3-D image of a man.  When the image was examined in the 1960s, the computers of the time (or the software, more precisely) were unable to make an image that would "pop" in 3-D like the Shroud's image does.
Yes, there were a metric buttload of false relics from medieval times.  None of the forgers, to my knowledge, ever impregnated a cloth with first-century middle-eastern pollen, made a compressed 3-D image, or etched the false relic with a high-frequency laser.  Archaeology is not my field, however, so I may have missed the 14th century version of Pixar...


All of that means exactly dick. So you tell us, what do you believe? That the face of Jesus Christ the son of God is imprinted on a shroud passed down through the generations to make fools of the nonbelievers?

Or is it just another in a long list of things we can't explain so it must be God...or aliens...or Zeus? Until we can explain it and realize how stupid we were for thinking it was aliens or God.

I believe it is a rag with markings on it. That's my conclusion based on looking at it. Any significance beyond that is personal bias.
 
2013-03-26 08:54:07 PM  
Just picture it: a world full of nutcases. On the streets, you'll see people flapping their arms and shouting they're airplanes. In the president's office, a moron will say: `I wonder what this button does' - and promptly start a nuclear war. Others will kill themselves, jumping from buildings to prove they can fly, shooting each other up for fun, or stepping in front of trains because they think they're Superman. Admit it. It would be a rather odd way of going out.


But actually, the nutcase scenario is not that idiotic. It got high marks on a dead-serious ranking of what can go wrong with the world, published once by the popular science magazine Discover. Indeed, there's some quite serious evidence we're heading for total insanity. We're a more mentally deranged species than ever. And we're going crazier all the time, the figures show. Depression, anxiety, eating disorders - they're all on the rise.
 
2013-03-26 08:57:31 PM  
I notice the diagram doesn't content any 'scientific bollocks'.

Why is that?

Is science SOOOOOOOO perfect that there isn't any scientific bullshiate out there?

How about 'global warming' to start?
Or cloning a mammoth?
Or saying that blondes are gonna die out?
Or studying why lesbians drink?
 
2013-03-26 08:58:51 PM  

hinten: Fark, where everyone biatches about bad grammar but nobody can state what is actually wrong.


Copypasta'd for you. Remember those pictures as a kid where the two frames would look the same but weren't and the question was, "What's wrong with this picture?" Well... go for it.


/"This is the thread where everyone defends their beliefs while calling everyone else's beliefs bollocks." would be proper written American English grammar for the first sentence.
//Faster to correct the sentence structure than to explain the problems with it.
///Fark, where fixing it is faster and we'd rather do that and get back to our beer.
 
2013-03-26 09:00:17 PM  
Oh God dammit. Apparently, you can't copypasta the damn headline. Go read it for yourself by scrolling up. Damn you, Drew!
 
2013-03-26 09:03:52 PM  
If you believe something and can't explain why, then you're a moron.
 
2013-03-26 09:05:51 PM  

douchebag/hater: I notice the diagram doesn't content any 'scientific bollocks'.

Why is that?

Is science SOOOOOOOO perfect that there isn't any scientific bullshiate out there?

How about 'global warming' to start?
Or cloning a mammoth?
Or saying that blondes are gonna die out?
Or studying why lesbians drink?


way to live up to the name douchebag/hater.

global warming isn't a myth.  we conceivably could clone a mammoth. (DNA half-life is 521 years so it's conceivable that we'd eventually recover enough to work with)  If you understood simple genetics and how traits are inherited you'd see why as time approaches infinity that recessive traits like being blonde would effectively diminish to zero.

About lesbians drinking.... they have studies for everything, why not that.  personally, some of the most fun i've ever had was drinking with lesbians.
 
2013-03-26 09:06:50 PM  

pippi longstocking: If you believe something and can't explain why, then you're a moron.


farking magnets. How do they work?
 
2013-03-26 09:07:17 PM  

pippi longstocking: If you believe something and can't explain why, then you're a moron.


welcome to america.  where you don't even have to know what you're talking about to have an argument and tell someone else that they are wrong.
 
2013-03-26 09:08:06 PM  

keypusher: I believe that the Lord, God, created the universe.
I believe that He sent His only Son to die for my sins.
And I believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America
I am a Mormon,
And a Mormon just believes.

I believe that God has a plan for all of us.
 I believe that plan involves me getting my own planet.
And I believe; that the current President of The Church, Thomas Monson, speaks directly to God.
I am A Mormon,
And, dang it! a Mormon just believes!

I believe that Satan has a hold of you
 I believe that the Lord, God, has sent me here
And I believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people!
You can be a Mormon..
A Mormon who just believes!

I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolob.
 I believe that Jesus has his own planet as well.
And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri.
If you believe, the Lord will reveal it.


all things considered, Mormons are hardly the nuttiest branch of christianity and christians are hardly the nuttiest religious group on this rock.
 
2013-03-26 09:09:19 PM  

SquiggsIN:

GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.

And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?

I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.

I've read a lot of science papers...  and I've never yet seen a proof that God does not exist.  I imagine such would get rather wide publicity, should it exist.  In other words, I think YOU are as "victimized" by superstition as any of the theists you deride.  If you want to redeem a stupid, oversimplified statement, just point to a paper that disproves the existence of God.  Any one of the no-doubt-thousands will do.

I consider myself an antitheistic agnostic.  (not atheist)  My biggest problem is the vast arrogance spouted by both sides of the aisle on this, religious and atheist alike.  Insisting that your viewpoint is the correct one with no evidence is just silly and you see it every day.  I'm okay with not knowing and I wish the rest of you would stop insisting that you know something that you cannot possibly know for certain.

All things considered, if a deity were responsible for us, you'd think being omnipotent/omniscient/etc would've let to a better product.

Yes, a better product. One that might, perchance be able to state the past participle of the verb "to lead." But, you are assuming that, if there were a God, you would be able to read his mind, and know his intentions. I would say that is a tenuous position at best. As just one of a myriad of possible examples, what if the purpose of human beings is to provide as "low" a vehicle as God could possibly "ride," so that he could come along with us in order to gain the experience BECOMING perfect -- something he lacks, having always BEEN perfect. In that case, crappy prototypes such as ourselves would be just PERFECT for the intended function.

So, if I understand THIS blather in relation to the previous blather, you claim you were trolling before, being a douchebag to protest all the OTHER douchebags who overstate the certainty of their cases? If so, I'm not certain it was effective.
 
2013-03-26 09:11:25 PM  

GeneralJim: SquiggsIN: GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: GeneralJim: MaxxLarge: No gods have ever been real, or will ever be real... Period.
And you would prove that statement....  How, exactly?

I don't need to. It's BEEN proven via history, biology, astronomy, physics, and a hundred other disciplines. It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gods are just as much fairy tales as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that superstitious people with an emotional need to cling to their imaginary friends will be predisposed to understand or accept it...But that's their problem, not mine.I've read a lot of science papers...  and I've never yet seen a proof that God does not exist.  I imagine such would get rather wide publicity, should it exist.  In other words, I think YOU are as "victimized" by superstition as any of the theists you deride.  If you want to redeem a stupid, oversimplified statement, just point to a paper that disproves the existence of God.  Any one of the no-doubt-thousands will do.

I consider myself an antitheistic agnostic.  (not atheist)  My biggest problem is the vast arrogance spouted by both sides of the aisle on this, religious and atheist alike.  Insisting that your viewpoint is the correct one with no evidence is just silly and you see it every day.  I'm okay with not knowing and I wish the rest of you would stop insisting that you know something that you cannot possibly know for certain.

All things considered, if a deity were responsible for us, you'd think being omnipotent/omniscient/etc would've let to a better product.Yes, a better product. One that might, perchance be able to state the past participle of the verb "to lead." But, you are assuming that, if there were a God, you would be able to read his mind, and know his intentions. I would say that is a tenuous position at best. As just one of a myriad of possible examples, what if the purpose of human beings is to provide as "low" a vehicle as ...


whatever helps you get your sheep brain to sleep at night pal.
 
2013-03-26 09:15:03 PM  
I believe I can fly.

I believe I can touch the sky.
 
2013-03-26 09:16:01 PM  
GeneralJim: One that might, perchance be able to state the past participle of the verb "to lead."

yes.I too make typos.
 
2013-03-26 09:16:04 PM  
How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.
 
2013-03-26 09:19:57 PM  
js34603:
So you tell us, what do you believe? That the face of Jesus Christ the son of God is imprinted on a shroud passed down through the generations to make fools of the nonbelievers?
I tend to believe that the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Joshua bar Joseph.  It is not important to me whether it is, or is not that same cloth. However, I am certain that the point is not to make fools of anyone.  Relics are a useless business, at best.  If they are genuine, they lead to believers following a process of fetishization which will take away from anything spiritual which is "real" to them.  And, if the relic is a fake, as almost all of them are, it does the same, with the added problem that if the relic is proven fake at a later date, believers tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
2013-03-26 09:21:04 PM  

whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.


The mackerel snappers have a perfectly cromulent definition, honed by centuries of rigourous thought:

The Nature of God

Proof of the Existence of God

well worth the read, if i do say so myself. It's not like nobody ever thought about this before, you know. Its sort of central to Western civilization and stuff.
 
2013-03-26 09:27:23 PM  

willfullyobscure: whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.

The mackerel snappers have a perfectly cromulent definition, honed by centuries of rigourous thought:

The Nature of God

Proof of the Existence of God

well worth the read, if i do say so myself. It's not like nobody ever thought about this before, you know. Its sort of central to Western civilization and stuff.


Those aren't definitions. They're vague descriptions. You might even say they are willfully obscure.
 
2013-03-26 09:29:45 PM  

SquiggsIN:

whatever helps you get your sheep brain to sleep at night pal.
You were making the argument that God does not exist because people are hugely imperfect.  I countered that argument with a scenario in which the imperfection of people was the GOAL of their creation.  I'd say that counters your "proof" adequately, plummeting or no plummeting.
 
2013-03-26 09:30:36 PM  

whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.


i21.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 09:31:20 PM  

Caffandtranqs: I don't have a problem with people having beliefs as long as they are not harming anyone or attempting to shove it down anyone's throat, and that goes for atheists as well.  I'm in the "I don't know, and having the arrogance to assume I know the truth is unwise) camp.  When my mother prays to St. Jude for my hopeless soul, I just say "thank you."  I don't get upset about it.  Aome atheists will get downright pissed about that kind of stuff.  It's weird.  They get evangelical in their atheism, they feel the need to educate everyone about the lack of science in their beliefs; and frankly, I start viewing them like the fundies when they start that.


Where most people go wrong is in assuming there is only one truth.

/Which just happens to be what they believe.
 
2013-03-26 09:37:51 PM  

whatshisname: willfullyobscure: whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.

The mackerel snappers have a perfectly cromulent definition, honed by centuries of rigourous thought:

The Nature of God

Proof of the Existence of God

well worth the read, if i do say so myself. It's not like nobody ever thought about this before, you know. Its sort of central to Western civilization and stuff.

Those aren't definitions. They're vague descriptions. You might even say they are willfully obscure.


You're arguing with the Catholic Church over God

www.myfacewhen.net
 
kab
2013-03-26 09:40:42 PM  
Perfect chart.

After all, we're humans, and we have science.
 
2013-03-26 09:41:15 PM  

willfullyobscure: You're arguing with the Catholic Church over God


Yeah, I forgot, they have a direct line to him...
 
2013-03-26 09:43:41 PM  

GeneralJim: onyxruby: Boobies are good, boobies are healing, boobies sooth the soul and ease the mind. Boobies are like sports cars, meant to roam free and not be confined in cages where they are unhappy. Free the boobies!
[www.supertopo.com image 600x456]


Well, they are free boobies, so I can't argue with your picture.
 
2013-03-26 09:45:33 PM  
I didn't see The Force on there. So that's cool right?
 
2013-03-26 09:56:35 PM  
If we can neither prove or disprove the existence of god, wouldn't any idea concerning god's existence be a belief?

I believe in God
I don't believe in god.

2 beliefs

/agnostic
 
2013-03-26 09:59:21 PM  

rcf1105: [img854.imageshack.us image 528x359]


I have a buddy from college who was a math major, is pretty smart, and now he is fighting bipolar disorder with some pretty extreme swings and some kind of delusional thing going on. This is the kind of thing he posts on Facebook all the time.
 
2013-03-26 10:06:22 PM  
My political blog. Everything in it is obviously correct.
 
2013-03-26 10:11:40 PM  

willfullyobscure: whatshisname: willfullyobscure: whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.

The mackerel snappers have a perfectly cromulent definition, honed by centuries of rigourous thought:

The Nature of God

Proof of the Existence of God

well worth the read, if i do say so myself. It's not like nobody ever thought about this before, you know. Its sort of central to Western civilization and stuff.

Those aren't definitions. They're vague descriptions. You might even say they are willfully obscure.

You're arguing with the Catholic Church over God

[www.myfacewhen.net image 192x191]


Why are you trolling and wasting people's time?
 
2013-03-26 10:24:14 PM  

RedVentrue: Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.

Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.


let me amend my statement to read conception instead of birth then, unless you think I was alive and in two places at once being both egg and sperm?
 
2013-03-26 10:50:59 PM  

Acharne: willfullyobscure: whatshisname: willfullyobscure: whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.

The mackerel snappers have a perfectly cromulent definition, honed by centuries of rigourous thought:

The Nature of God

Proof of the Existence of God

well worth the read, if i do say so myself. It's not like nobody ever thought about this before, you know. Its sort of central to Western civilization and stuff.

Those aren't definitions. They're vague descriptions. You might even say they are willfully obscure.

You're arguing with the Catholic Church over God

[www.myfacewhen.net image 192x191]

Why are you trolling and wasting people's time?

willfullyobscure: There is literally no way to post in this thread without  XOR Poe/Trolling. It is a logical impossibility to not be either/or, or both.



Same reason erry1 else is postan ITT

media.onsugar.com

Or if you care to debate, by all means, refute the Catholic Encyclopedia on the nature of God. I'll write back in good faith.

good faith AHAHAHAHAahhhahaaha I kill myslef hehehe
 
2013-03-26 10:52:41 PM  

my herniated disc: If we can neither prove or disprove the existence of god, wouldn't any idea concerning god's existence be a belief?

I believe in God
I don't believe in god.

2 beliefs

/agnostic



Person A: "I have a thousand dollars worth of gold in my pocket!"

Person B: "Oh yeah?  Show me.  Let's see it."

Does person B have a "belief" or just a question?
 
2013-03-26 10:53:46 PM  
This one is easy for me.  I don't believe in a single thing in that diagram.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:36 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Chiropractic for treating anything and everything by restoring the body's "innate intelligence"


wat

/That's a new one for me. Never heard of that.
 
2013-03-26 11:10:06 PM  

pippi longstocking: If you believe something and can't explain why, then you're a moron.


I can't explain why your mother loves you, but I believe she does.
 
2013-03-26 11:12:51 PM  

Jimmysolson: Fecal Conservative: Q&D
[i45.tinypic.com image 600x397]

Dooshbaggery on the right is wrong!


Yep.
 
2013-03-26 11:14:48 PM  

Majick Thise: RedVentrue: Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.

Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.

let me amend my statement to read conception instead of birth then, unless you think I was alive and in two places at once being both egg and sperm?


My point - and possibly his/hers - is that your belief system is incomplete unless you can also explain the concepts and workings of time.  You pose that there are two identical states.  One of those states has an ending, during which you are alive. The other has a beginning but no ending.  Therefore the states are not identical.  Or perhaps you mean that this is a loop.  Or maybe all states are simultaneous.  It's unclear in your model.

I'd further point out that awareness of pre-life or post-life, if it exists, is unlikely to occur in humans in a world governed by Darwinian evolution.  Advanced organisms that had such an awareness would not be motivated to flee and escape death.  By "death" I mean an apparent exhaustion of the ability to maintain continuity of sentience observed in its peers. They would not fear it, and those that lack the fear to avoid it would not survive to reproduce.  That doesn't prove anything, but you should ask yourself whether you are suffering from confirmation bias and are not truly objective, due to evolution.
 
2013-03-26 11:21:49 PM  

willfullyobscure: Or if you care to debate, by all means, refute the Catholic Encyclopedia on the nature of God. I'll write back in good faith.

good faith AHAHAHAHAahhhahaaha I kill myslef hehehe


I refute the Catholic Encylopedia and the nature of God.

I see you're off your meds, that explains it.
 
2013-03-26 11:56:06 PM  
I believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.
 
2013-03-27 12:17:00 AM  
I feel very sad for the individuals who cant find belief in at least a few of those.  What a boring person that would make.
 
2013-03-27 12:35:45 AM  
People we need to come together, racism,prejudice,sexism, stereo typing all gotta go soon we are falling.

Quote "we are all in the same boat and it's sinking".
 
2013-03-27 12:35:53 AM  

SquiggsIN: Insisting that your viewpoint is the correct one with no evidence is just silly and you see it every day.


This is not a correct summary of the position of the majority of atheists.

The position is that when there is no evidence to support a claim the only logical position is to reject the claim.

The religious claim that god exists but they offer no evidence. Therefore the claim is rejected just as if they claimed they can fly like superman or that Santa is real.

Rejecting an unsupported claim is basic logic and reason. We all do it all the time for countless subjects. Religious people want their claims to get a special "we don't need evidence" free pass and that's not going to happen. Their claims of god existing have the same amount of support as the claim that the easter bunny exists - the two claims get the same level of acceptance. There is no arrogance involved.
 
2013-03-27 12:42:32 AM  

whatshisname: How can God exist? Nobody can even define it.


God is why fnord
 
2013-03-27 12:54:11 AM  

spentshells: People we need to come together, racism,prejudice,sexism, stereo typing all gotta go soon we are falling.

Quote "we are all in the same boat and it's sinking".


We're only in the same boat and sinking because nobody wants to admit that the person next to them might have a better idea than themselves.  Some want to jump out and swim, others want to stop those because they think they might drown, some want to bail the water out and others get in the way trying to plug the hole.

Instead of trying to work the solution, they simply are continuing to argue over words and egos.
 
2013-03-27 12:58:55 AM  
SquiggsIN:  If you understood simple genetics and how traits are inherited you'd see why as time approaches infinity that recessive traits like being blonde would effectively diminish to zero.

Unless being blonde increases ones chance of reproducing. In which case, even a double recessive or multiple site recessive trait like blonde hair will remain. Remember, the inheritablity isn't the only thing that has to be focused on.
 
2013-03-27 12:59:03 AM  

my herniated disc: If we can neither prove or disprove the existence of god, wouldn't any idea concerning god's existence be a belief?

I believe in God
I don't believe in god.

2 beliefs

/agnostic


Because I'm bored...and on the off chance that you are legitimate.

Language is a bit of a barrier here.

It's clear to say what a "belief" is.  You believe in God.

I'm going to word the statements differently as it pertains to religion.

There is a God.
There is no God.

Your second example is missing.
I don't believe in a God.  I also don't disbelieve.

No matter how remote of a chance, a rational person cannot say there is not some otherwordly power that created earth when they take the time to sit down and logicly study the question.

That is the technical standing of proper theories.

HOWEVER...

For example, I say, "There is no God." for the sake of brevity.  As a common function of language, there is usually something understood there that follows.  But I could be wrong.  A VAST majority of people who say it like I do, but when/if they examine it, they will agree that it is possible.  Differentiating between that sort of agnostic and a true disbeliever is almost a futile effort, wasted time.  Either way, neither will gain belief withoutperceived evidence.(I sayperceived because hallucination/revelation/etc can be written off as not concrete share-able proof, but enough to sway an individual).

There's a thing about the argument that I find fascinating.  It is assumed that "belief" in a god is the default state, and therefore disbelief is anaberration.

What I posit, is(gets wordy here, feel free to scan, but I encourage anyone reading to actually try to grasp the concepts):
If religion is fiction(because, at root, it is no different than believing out of hand any tale you happen to be told, and it's very possible it is, a lie)....if it is a fiction, what other evidence is there?

If we write off hear-say evidence as not very reliable, where does that leave us?  If we discovered the christian bible was fake, or better, if it had never existed, the stories never spread, religious people would be a member of a different religion.  Regress it far enough back, and there is no religion.  It is all words passed down generation to generation as truth.

If that were possible in some bizzaro universe, what would make people come up with the idea of god in the first place.  Imagine that society went on much as it did, but with government instead of a church.  People were nice to eachother because they wanted people to be nice to them, civil rights, etc, all of that.

Here we sit, in modern times, now educated enough to where there's not a lot of mystery around us.  We have answers for things people never thought possible.  Thunder and lightning, weather, genetics, even human emotions, computers, hell, we can implant cameras into people's brains, sure, some of it is in early stages but as time goes on our collective intelligence rises.  What is the question where an educated man would have to leap to a conclusion of God being the only viable answer.

Whether it is by intent for power, or hallucination, I think that is the only way the very idea of God could have come about.  The same way a follower of Allah questions followers of Jesus and visa versa.

Most religious people alive today don't believe in other religions because they were never taught to believe in them.  Take one more religious education away from them and where do we sit?

Sure, there could be something out there, but as it stands now, only imagination could possibly think of anything, and only mental problems will convince it of absolute truth.  As we see now, most people with claims of such things now are viewed as ill people, be it pink elephants or fairies.  Why is God different?

Meh.  I have an absence of belief.  I may ponder and daydream, I even admit something is possible, but for all intents and purposes that matter outside of daydreams, there is no God.  There is no real-world application where the concept has any power except in manipulation of others, whether I believe or not.  It doesn't explain emotions, thunder, lightning, etc.

So why bother?

To comfort and baby regular old human insecurities.  Fear of death, succor to stop people from going absolutely crazy when they're suffering.

fark that, we've got drugs that can end suffering.  Fear of death, everyone has that.  People may pray to god while in foxholes, but it's desperation, and it rarely helps.  the types it does help, the tend to be suicide bombers that won't survive anyhow, but are still shiatting their pants in fear, it's just not quite crippling.

Love of family, and pride in community/country, etc, those things can serve the same psychological need to belay crippling fear in a moment of need.  Maybe if we concentrated on those things instead of fairytales, we'd be a bit better off.

See what happens when people get pedantic and fight when I say, "There is no God."?  A shiat ton of words and explanations come out, and even if you read this, it won't matter in 5 minutes.  Me, I had time to waste, but I don't always, so again, why bother?
 
2013-03-27 01:04:26 AM  

Frederick: I feel very sad for the individuals who cant find belief in at least a few of those.  What a boring person that would make.


Frederick         

(favorite: I lick hand rails to remain robust.)

I view everything with skepticism to remain robust.

I find that belief leads to complacency, in addition to looking like a fool and missing good opportunities in life, either by demand of religion or by people avoiding me because I'm gullible/odd.

Well, I'm still odd, but that's for more social reasons. And sure, I'm dumb, but it's only because i can't possibly study everything, no one person can.
 
2013-03-27 01:23:33 AM  

omeganuepsilon: What I posit, is(gets wordy here, feel free to scan, but I encourage anyone reading to actually try to grasp the concepts):
If religion is fiction(because, at root, it is no different than believing out of hand any tale you happen to be told, and it's very possible it is, a lie)....


ql;vi

/quite long, very interesting.
 
2013-03-27 01:46:52 AM  

Acharne: omeganuepsilon: What I posit, is(gets wordy here, feel free to scan, but I encourage anyone reading to actually try to grasp the concepts):
If religion is fiction(because, at root, it is no different than believing out of hand any tale you happen to be told, and it's very possible it is, a lie)....

ql;vi

/quite long, very interesting.


Thanks
Over the period of maybe hundreds of similar topics, I've refined my view of the concepts if not the words/grammar. Big fan of concepts that are not readily explained, though I did borrow a bit here and there(specifically the classic "You disbelieve all other religions, I just disbelieve one more than you."(paraphrased) and re-worded them to fit my rambling stream.

Great time sink when you realize you're bored of all of your other hobbies.
/also laid up with what is likely an occult fracture in my foot
 
2013-03-27 02:14:40 AM  

crazyeddie: Ambitwistor: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 010/05/100530144021.htm

The citations are a playground of good information about adenosine production using deep brain stimulation.  Thanks for the links.

Acupuncture still falls under the "Sigh, ok so we haven't disproven it in the technical sense, because science doesn't work that way.  However, we can provisionally reject the claims it makes."

Read  The Believing Brain for a fun understanding of why people believe stupid shiat and won't listen to all the reasons they are full of bullocks.


It looked to me like they proposed a viable mechanism by which acupuncture might have an effect. However, I couldn't find anything in there that would indicate how acupuncture would be more effective in stimulating adenosine and endorphin production than other methods. Striking yourself with a hammer, stubbing your toe, banging your head against a wall, that sort of thing.
 
2013-03-27 02:49:30 AM  
Western medicine strangely absent from this diagram.
 
2013-03-27 02:49:52 AM  

Farking Canuck: SquiggsIN: Insisting that your viewpoint is the correct one with no evidence is just silly and you see it every day.

This is not a correct summary of the position of the majority of atheists.

The position is that when there is no evidence to support a claim the only logical position is to reject the claim.

The religious claim that god exists but they offer no evidence. Therefore the claim is rejected just as if they claimed they can fly like superman or that Santa is real.

Rejecting an unsupported claim is basic logic and reason. We all do it all the time for countless subjects. Religious people want their claims to get a special "we don't need evidence" free pass and that's not going to happen. Their claims of god existing have the same amount of support as the claim that the easter bunny exists - the two claims get the same level of acceptance. There is no arrogance involved.


I'll play devil's advocate for a second here.... the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence is it?  Based on what you call basic logic and reason, there is no evidence proving that a god doesn't exist so that claim should also be outright rejected.

I probably agree with you, mostly.  But, atheists absolutely are arrogant to state that the lack of evidence of a deity disproves the existence of one.  With the complete lack of evidence for or against said existence, both atheism and theism must be categorically rejected, right?  Such logic leads to apathy, agnosticism, or insanity.  (or a healthy combination of the 3)
 
2013-03-27 03:02:15 AM  

Chach: If we're going to call the Shroud of Turin "bollocks," shouldn't we first have a scientific explanation for it beyond "inconclusive?"


I remember a documentary from a few years back, where they found a room that could be used to set up a primitive camera that was capable of leaving a negative image on linen, kind of like the old trick of putting your hand on construction paper, leaving it there in the sunlight for five minutes, then removing your hand  and leaving a "print" of your hand's outline.

It turns out Leonardo DaVinci frequented the area; and there is evidence that he was interested in such a technique for use in art.

/Is Christian
//Still hates bullshiat
 
2013-03-27 03:03:57 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Frederick: I feel very sad for the individuals who cant find belief in at least a few of those.  What a boring person that would make.

Frederick

(favorite: I lick hand rails to remain robust.)

I view everything with skepticism to remain robust.

I find that belief leads to complacency, in addition to looking like a fool and missing good opportunities in life, either by demand of religion or by people avoiding me because I'm gullible/odd.

Well, I'm still odd, but that's for more social reasons. And sure, I'm dumb, but it's only because i can't possibly study everything, no one person can.


I see what you did there; using my words.

Skepticism can be healthy.  Too much skepticism makes you a cynic.
One of the things I enjoy about getting to know someone is finding out if they have any ghost, UFO, Ouija board, ESP, prayer, Voodoo, reincarnation, etc. stories.  Almost everyone I've met has something -and I find it terribly interesting.
So come on, share -surely you've got something along those lines.

/I believe in a version of reincarnation, for example, and am agnostic about most in the diagram.
 
2013-03-27 03:06:42 AM  

omeganuepsilon: also laid up with what is likely an occult fracture in my foot


Faction infighting?
 
2013-03-27 04:18:28 AM  

HalfOffOffer: Western medicine strangely absent from this diagram.



Yes, what's up with that voodoo of aspirin, antibiotics, and mending a broken bone?
 
2013-03-27 04:33:11 AM  

my herniated disc: If we can neither prove or disprove the existence of god, wouldn't any idea concerning god's existence be a belief?

I believe in God and also know he exists/believe his existence is knowable.
I believe in god, but I but I believe it is impossible to know if he exists.
I don't believe in god, but I believe it is impossible to know if he exists

.
I don't believe in god, and I also know he doesn't exist/believe his existence is knowable.

2 4 beliefs


Almost all atheists are #3.  Most theists are #1, but a significant portion are #2.  Almost no one is #4.  Gnosticism regarding the supernatural is incompatible with scientific principle based on the definition of the two concepts, and I would argue that it's probably inherently irrational also.

/agnostic

So, you think it's impossible to know if gods exist.  If you also hold a belief that they do, you're a theist.  If you don't hold that belief, you're an atheist.  Note that there is no "in between" position, any more than you can "have" and also "not have" an apple in your pocket.

common sense is an oxymoron: Somacandra: The funny thing is that people involved in these really won't care that anyone else thinks its bollocks. For instance, I don't care what your "evaluation" of acupuncture and chiropractic are, I've had enough experience with both to know that they've really worked well for me in handling certain issues than before I had experience with them. As a practical guy, that's all the evidence I really want or need. YMMV.


Chiropractic for treating musculoskeletal back pain by spinal manipulation = legitimate.
Chiropractic for treating anything and everything by restoring the body's "innate intelligence" = quackery.


Yes, thank you.  I went to a chiropractor once for a sports injury because someone recommended him, he was cheap, and I didn't have health insurance at the time.  My sciatic nerve had been killing me to the point that I could barely walk for almost a week.  He cracked my back, told me to go home and ice it, and I was completely better a day later.  I went back to thank him, and he got out a tentative "You know, the theory of chiropractic..." before I cut him off with a shake of my head, and he went "OK, never mind.  If you have any more problems, give me call."

SquiggsIN: I probably agree with you, mostly. But, atheists absolutely are arrogant to state that the lack of evidence of a deity disproves the existence of one. With the complete lack of evidence for or against said existence, both atheism and theism must be categorically rejected, right? Such logic leads to apathy, agnosticism, or insanity. (or a healthy combination of the 3)


Atheism and agnosticism are not exclusive.  See above.  Agnosticism is an epistemological position, not a theological one.  An overwhelming majority of atheists are agnostic about gods.  "Strong atheism" is just a red herring that theists apply because they can't or won't admit that people can think the supernatural is bunk for rational reasons and not because they're "denying god because they're angry at him", or some nonsense.

SquiggsIN: the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence is it?


Onus Probandi
 
2013-03-27 04:46:38 AM  

omeganuepsilon: If that were possible in some bizzaro universe, what would make people come up with the idea of god in the first place.


There is a fair bit of evidence that a significant proportion of us have brains that are naturally structured in such a way that facilitates religious thinking.  Faced with a general lack of knowledge about the natural world, it's reasonable to conclude that early cultures would almost inevitably invent religion in order to explain what they saw.

In short, religion is natural in the way that viruses are natural.  Sometimes harmless, sometimes destructive. Also, worth inoculating against, but always very difficult to eradicate completely.

The real "miracle" is that we were smart enough to eventually invent logic and the scientific process at all, IMO.
 
2013-03-27 05:23:18 AM  
What I Believe or Not:
I do not believe a deity caused everything to exist nor that he/she brought everything into being.
I do not believe there was ever a beginning nor that there will ever be an end.
I do not believe that something can be created out of what is truly nothing (void).
I believe time is a measurement of motion and that everything is in motion in the eternal present.
I believe it is always now, always has been now and always will be now.
I believe that what exists now (matter), has always existed and will always exist.
I believe humans are nothing more than fancy animals.
I believe all mammals possess a sense of Spirit and possibly birds as well.
I believe reptiles, fish and insects do not.
I believe that if cattle were intelligent and had opposable udders their god would be:
The Great Creator Cow and the bulls would serve only one useful purpose.
That's some of the stuff I Believe or Not.
.
 
2013-03-27 05:23:35 AM  

Z-clipped: Atheism and agnosticism are not exclusive. See above. Agnosticism is an epistemological position, not a theological one.


Replace "theological" with "ontological" and you're dead on. And to keep in the theme of the thread:

www.smidgeindustriesltd.com
=Smidge=
 
2013-03-27 05:30:11 AM  

Z-clipped:

SquiggsIN: the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence is it?

Onus Probandi

It's always annoying when someone commits a fallacy while pointing one out.  The burden of proof only applies when it comes to a proof.  It does NOT mean that it has been proved to not exist.  You CAN say that, without proof, a compelling case was NOT made for the existence of God, or gods, but you cannot say that it has been proved that God does not exist.
 
2013-03-27 05:50:49 AM  

Smidge204: Z-clipped: Atheism and agnosticism are not exclusive. See above. Agnosticism is an epistemological position, not a theological one.

Replace "theological" with "ontological" and you're dead on. And to keep in the theme of the thread:


Yes, sorry, I was doing too many things at once when I typed that.  Thanks for the correction.  That's exactly what I meant to say.

GeneralJim: It's always annoying when someone commits a fallacy while pointing one out. The burden of proof only applies when it comes to a proof. It does NOT mean that it has been proved to not exist. You CAN say that, without proof, a compelling case was NOT made for the existence of God, or gods, but you cannot say that it has been proved that God does not exist.


I didn't.  I implied that, in the face of a complete lack of evidence for the positive claim, evidence of a negative claim is not required.  The positive claim can be reasonably dismissed without it.

In other words, absence of evidence is in fact evidence of absence. It's just not conclusive evidence.

At the risk of being snarky, I'll also note that in attempting to point out my committing a logical fallacy while pointing out a logical fallacy, you've committed a logical (straw man) fallacy.  I never implied that a proof of the absence of god exists; in fact, I personally believe such a proof is inherently impossible.  I just also believe that it's irrelevant, since all belief in gods can be reduced to wishful thinking.
 
2013-03-27 06:01:41 AM  

GeneralJim: but you cannot say that it has been proved that God does not exist.


More to the point, specific Gods for which specific claims have been given can be shown to not exist by demonstrating the claims made about them to be false or logically inconsistent. At best you have retreated into amorphic deism at this point. Such claims are by their nature unfalsifiable since they lack testable claims, and they are also of no real consequence for that very same reason.

To quote the late Christopher Hitchens, "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
=Smidge=
 
2013-03-27 06:27:35 AM  

Leet Jesus: Majick Thise: RedVentrue: Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.

Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.

let me amend my statement to read conception instead of birth then, unless you think I was alive and in two places at once being both egg and sperm?

My point - and possibly his/hers - is that your belief system is incomplete unless you can also explain the concepts and workings of time.  You pose that there are two identical states.  One of those states has an ending, during which you are alive. The other has a beginning but no ending.  Therefore the states are not identical.  Or perhaps you mean that this is a loop.  Or maybe all states are simultaneous.  It's unclear in your model.

I'd further point out that awareness of pre-life or post-life, if it exists, is unlikely to occur in humans in a world governed by Darwinian evolution.  Advanced organisms that had such an awareness would not be motivated to flee and escape death.  By "death" I mean an apparent exhaustion of the ability to maintain continuity of sentience observed in its peers. They would not fear it, and those that lack the fear to avoid it would not survive to reproduce.  That doesn't prove anything, but you should ask yourself whether you are suffering from confirmation bias and are not truly objective, due to evolution.


I can't give this response the answer it deserves because of time... as in it's time to go to work. I couldn't answer anyway because people a lot more knowledgeable than I am only have theories as to how time really works. I don't believe in a soul/afterlife I don't believe that the conscious 'me' can experience anything when I am not alive. Not even able to experience the realization that I died nor that there is a whole lot of nothing afterward. Whether time is a product or byproduct, of the conscious mind or not is something I might give some thought to... but not now. The perception that my mind thinks of as 'the buttcrack of dawn' has come and I must be off to work.
 
2013-03-27 07:43:03 AM  
So, where's Alcoholics Anonymous?
 
2013-03-27 07:43:47 AM  

EyeballKid: So, where's Alcoholics Anonymous?


On the Venn diagram, I mean, not where's the nearest meeting.
 
2013-03-27 08:18:02 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
Then you've got your nothing
Some folks believe in nothing
But if you believe in nothing
Then what's to keep the nothing
From coming for you?
 
2013-03-27 08:26:32 AM  

Majick Thise: Leet Jesus: Majick Thise: RedVentrue: Majick Thise: I believe that prior to our birth we are not alive.

I believe that after our death we are also not alive.

I do not believe that these two instances (of being not alive) are any different. Both are the same... that is nothingness.

Prior to birth, you may not be sentient, but you were very much alive.

let me amend my statement to read conception instead of birth then, unless you think I was alive and in two places at once being both egg and sperm?

My point - and possibly his/hers - is that your belief system is incomplete unless you can also explain the concepts and workings of time.  You pose that there are two identical states.  One of those states has an ending, during which you are alive. The other has a beginning but no ending.  Therefore the states are not identical.  Or perhaps you mean that this is a loop.  Or maybe all states are simultaneous.  It's unclear in your model.

I'd further point out that awareness of pre-life or post-life, if it exists, is unlikely to occur in humans in a world governed by Darwinian evolution.  Advanced organisms that had such an awareness would not be motivated to flee and escape death.  By "death" I mean an apparent exhaustion of the ability to maintain continuity of sentience observed in its peers. They would not fear it, and those that lack the fear to avoid it would not survive to reproduce.  That doesn't prove anything, but you should ask yourself whether you are suffering from confirmation bias and are not truly objective, due to evolution.

I can't give this response the answer it deserves because of time... as in it's time to go to work. I couldn't answer anyway because people a lot more knowledgeable than I am only have theories as to how time really works. I don't believe in a soul/afterlife I don't believe that the conscious 'me' can experience anything when I am not alive. Not even able to experience the realization that I died nor that there is a whole lot of ...


I just wrote a paper on this about a week ago.  Basically, the current agreement between scientists and philosophers is that time is "real" in the sense that it is a physical part of the fabric of the space (Einstein), but that our perception of time's flow is an illusion (Parmenides, FTW in 500 BC).  Our position on the fabric is not special, so the future is deterministic but the "many worlds" interpretation of QM illustrates that we have infinite possible "predetermined" futures.  Many of the most promising prospects for a TOE require time to either be quantized, or imply that time is essentially meaningless below the Planck length, which effectively quantizes both time and space for our purposes.

I don't see how this really affects the religious argument though, except for the whole "quantum immortality" idea.  Still, as silly as it is, I think quantum immortality is enormously more likely than the existence of a mystical "soul" that carries our consciousness forward.
 
2013-03-27 08:49:36 AM  

Acharne: willfullyobscure: Or if you care to debate, by all means, refute the Catholic Encyclopedia on the nature of God. I'll write back in good faith.

good faith AHAHAHAHAahhhahaaha I kill myslef hehehe

I refute the Catholic Encylopedia and the nature of God.

I see you're off your meds, that explains it.


"re·fute
/riˈfyoot/Verb

Prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
Prove that (someone) is wrong. "


Your refutin' needs to do some actual refutin', son. Let me help. We'll start with one of the several methods of Catholic proof of the existence of God. Please argue, without fallacy, against the following statement. Otherwise, admit that God exists and you have lost the debate:

"
A priori, or ontological, argument

This argument undertakes to deduce the existence of God from the idea of Him as the Infinite which is present to the human mind; but as already stated, theistic philosophers are not agreed as to the logical validity of this deduction.

As stated by St. Anselm, the argument runs thus: The idea of God as the Infinite means the greatest Being that can be thought of, but unless actual existence outside the mind is included in this idea, God would not be the greatest conceivable Being since a Being that exists both in the mind as an object of thought, and outside the mind or objectively, would be greater than a Being that exists in the mind only; therefore God exists not only in the mind but outside of it."
 
2013-03-27 08:53:02 AM  

SquiggsIN: I'll play devil's advocate for a second here.... the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence is it? Based on what you call basic logic and reason, there is no evidence proving that a god doesn't exist so that claim should also be outright rejected.


"the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence is it " ... and if a claim was being put forward that "God does not exist" then this would be relevant. There would be a need to present evidence in support of a claim.

But atheists are not putting forth a claim ... we are deciding if we feel the claim put forth by religious people, that gods exist, holds any water. So we look at the evidence presented by the religious to support their claim and discover that there is none.

Now I can't speak for everyone but I personally feel that the principle of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is very valid. The claim that gods are real is quite extraordinary yet not only is no extraordinary evidence presented to support the claim but no evidence is presented.

By the basic rules of logic and reason the claim should be rejected until more evidence is presented ... then the claim can be re-evaluated.

Note that this is not actually saying that the claim is wrong ... it is saying that, without evidence, we cannot accept it as correct. It puts it in a state of limbo (along with an infinite number of other unsubstantiated claims).
 
2013-03-27 09:20:55 AM  

Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]


Someone's a baseball fan. ;)
 
2013-03-27 09:23:19 AM  
Dang, my pic didn't go through. There we go.
0.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com
 
2013-03-27 09:55:07 AM  

Ambitwistor: MBooda: Ambitwistor: MBooda: Where's Atheism, the belief that there's no God?

Hey, not trolling, just quoting Webster.

In case you're not trolling, you should be aware that there is a whole philosophical debate as to whether atheism is a "belief" or a "lack of belief", .


Philosophical, or semantic?

Agnosticism is a lack of belief.  Atheism is the belief that there is no God.
 
2013-03-27 10:16:13 AM  

Acharne: omeganuepsilon: also laid up with what is likely an occult fracture in my foot

Faction infighting?


Oppression from my fat ass, what upset the applecart and caused the revolt was slipping on the ice.

/was going to say something...occult as a word can mean "hidden"
 
2013-03-27 11:12:05 AM  

Wangiss: sciencism


The fark?
 
2013-03-27 11:16:33 AM  
i.imm.io

In a related theme, I got through watching an excellent TED talk on being WRONG.

/picture unrelated
 
2013-03-27 11:35:28 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Everytime I speak about my beliefs in a thread I get called a troll. Just because I come from a better class of people and have a higher education, people think that I am condescending. I merely want to help educate people in the error of their ways. People come on here with some kneejerk reaction to something menial and miss the point of an entire thread.


If I had a nickel for every time I've felt that way...

And I think you meant 'trivial'.  It's okay, obviously English isn't your first language.
 
2013-03-27 12:22:44 PM  

MBooda: Agnosticism is a lack of belief. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.


Incorrect. Agnosticism is a rather broad philosophical topic, but in this context it refers to an epistemological position (i.e. whether knowledge of a divine being is inherently possible).  It has nothing to do with belief, and it is not a middle position between theism and atheism.  Atheism also comes in several flavors; not just the one you're espousing.  At its core, atheism refers to the absence of a belief in deities, not the active denial of their existence.

You're welcome to your opinion, but please get with the program on the terminology.

kemosabe: Earguy: Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[pauses then winks and walks away]

Someone's a baseball fan. ;)


How is it that you've never seen Bull Durham?  Were you raised by wolves, man?!
 
2013-03-27 12:31:23 PM  

HalfOffOffer: Western medicine strangely absent from this diagram.


You know what they call "alternative medicine" when it actually works?   "Medicine."