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(Independent)   Bad news for Johns: Sweden's innovative new sex-trade laws are bad for business.. for you, not the prostitutes   (independent.co.uk) divider line 109
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2013-03-26 01:17:07 PM  
The driver of the car, who's brought a prostituted woman to the island to have sex, is arrested on the spot. He's given a choice: admit the offence and pay a fine, based on income, or go to court and risk publicity.

Well that certainly doesn't resemble any form of extortion.
 
2013-03-26 01:30:00 PM  
No country is perfect, but Sweden sure does seem to have its sh*t together.
 
2013-03-26 02:48:29 PM  
The end of this headline makes me think of Bubble Tape commercials
 
2013-03-26 02:49:21 PM  
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-03-26 02:49:33 PM  

Sybarite: The driver of the car, who's brought a prostituted woman to the island to have sex, is arrested on the spot. He's given a choice: admit the offence and pay a fine, based on income, or go to court and risk publicity.

Well that certainly doesn't resemble any form of extortion.


That poor guy buying sex.
 
2013-03-26 02:51:04 PM  
Bad news for Johns Jans: Sweden's innovative new sex-trade laws are bad for business.. for you, not the prostitutes


FTFY, Subby.
 
2013-03-26 02:51:23 PM  
They should just do what we do in America... arrest everybody.
 
2013-03-26 02:52:48 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: They should just do what we do in America... arrest everybody.


And sell mugshots.
 
2013-03-26 02:53:28 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: They should just do what we do in America... arrest everybodymainly people who work on the street, mainly ignore people working via the Internet, but occasionally have an publicity-driven drive to round up and ticket as many people as possible in one night.


FTFY
 
2013-03-26 02:53:50 PM  
Riiiiiiight up until a politician gets caught.
 
2013-03-26 02:54:09 PM  

Sybarite: The driver of the car, who's brought a prostituted woman to the island to have sex, is arrested on the spot. He's given a choice: admit the offence and pay a fine, based on income, or go to court and risk publicity.

Well that certainly doesn't resemble any form of extortion.


Well, apparently they don't also get a fine for having a busted taillight. so maybe it's not extortion extortion.
 
2013-03-26 02:54:17 PM  
Oh, sure.

When a woman goes to another country to have sex she's "getting her groove back" and it's "empowering".

When I do it it's "sex tourism" and "evil".
 
2013-03-26 02:54:42 PM  
FTA: "The woman, who hasn't broken any law, is offered help from social services if she wants to leave prostitution. Otherwise, she's allowed to go."

Equality of the sexes, how does it work?
/Would a female transporting a male escort face similar charges?
 
2013-03-26 02:55:31 PM  
FTFA: " He's young, black, and his appearance - shaved head, baggy jeans - suggests a music industry executive rather than a cop."

Stereotype much?
 
2013-03-26 02:55:34 PM  

bdub77: No country is perfect, but Sweden sure does seem to have its sh*t together.


Yeah, all I can really think of to fling any poo in Sweden's direction is because of these jackoffs, but pointing out that racist minority parties exist throughout Europe is like saying, "hey, did you know water is wet?"
 
2013-03-26 02:56:45 PM  
Haggstrom turns to me. "Having sex is not a human right," he says quietly.

It's not? It's a basic human need. Who should we be prohibiting from having sex and why?

//arguing "buying sex is not a human right" might have some stronger arguments
 
2013-03-26 02:57:12 PM  
new sex trade laws?

when the law came into force in 1999
 
2013-03-26 02:57:26 PM  
FTFA: He's young, black, and his appearance - shaved head, baggy jeans - suggests a music industry executive rather than a cop. But he's in charge of the prostitution unit of Stockholm county police

A black sheriff?
 
2013-03-26 02:57:43 PM  
"...pay a fine, based on income"


John Tax?
 
2013-03-26 02:59:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The_Gallant_Gallstone: They should just do what we do in America... arrest everybody.

And sell mugshots.


But only the amusing ones, cause that's what counts here; our amusement. Guilt or innocence is irrelevant.
 
2013-03-26 03:01:24 PM  

USCLaw2010: FTFA: He's young, black, and his appearance - shaved head, baggy jeans - suggests a music industry executive rather than a cop. But he's in charge of the prostitution unit of Stockholm county police

A black sheriff?


images.tvrage.com
 
2013-03-26 03:02:17 PM  
Cool, our niece is in Malmo right now studying this with a view to selling the concept to Washington (the state).

She got to go to Nobel Awards too.

Little snot.
 
2013-03-26 03:02:52 PM  
the Nobel Awards even
 
2013-03-26 03:05:41 PM  
I suppose if prostitution in general is to be illegal, this is the better course to assure violence and such against sex workers is reported without fear.
 
2013-03-26 03:07:24 PM  
No wonder why Julian Assange didn't want to go back to Sweden.  That country has turned into a feminazi man hating crunt.  I guess on the good side it looks like the easy life of a prostitute will come to an end.
 
2013-03-26 03:08:08 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Haggstrom turns to me. "Having sex is not a human right," he says quietly.

It's not? It's a basic human need. Who should we be prohibiting from having sex and why?

//arguing "buying sex is not a human right" might have some stronger arguments


Wait....what?

It's a want, not a need.

/Although I do get very cranky during slumps.
 
2013-03-26 03:08:32 PM  
I don't understand how people, who are apparently rational and actually care, can't seem to understand the connection between crime and prostitution is because you criminalized it and people are still willing to pay for it, not because sex work automatically attracts abused women.   You can't force women into legal sex work, because they'd have rights and the ability to defend their employment rights in court; you can only force them into illegal sex work because you stripped their rights.  Governments create the problem by trying to control something you will never successfully control: The ability of an ugly person to get their junk played with.

You wouldn't be ABLE to harm sex workers if you stopped treat sex work like a crime, just because there's some bodily fluids involved, and it has nothing to do with villainizing the guy who has more resources than social skills and available vagina.  Someone with resources will always find a way to trade them for sex, food, and security.  Making a specific type of transfer illegal whether or not someone was victimized is what GIVES you the ability to victimize.
 
2013-03-26 03:10:59 PM  
Nice. Go Sweden. My Mom told me about how it was always the women who were imprisoned and persecuted during these things and it really is farked up. As opposed to drugs where the dealer is the most important, perhaps when it comes to sex the buyer is the most important. These people deserve to be shamed for what they're doing.

I have libertarian tendencies socially (and I stress socially because the free market chicago style bullshiat friedmanites should rot for what they've done to the developing world) and I've favored legalizing prostitution because it seems like there would be less underage prostitutes if it was regulated and people could go to the brothel instead of the shady corner. But when it comes to criminalizing it, generally these women have had terrible lives, so fark the shady businessmen and priests and kids buying tutes with their money. These women need money or else they generally wouldn't be doing it (or they're being extorted by pimps, have had terrible childhoods, drugs), where as the men spending the money are generally well enough off to be trolling the streets for prostitutes on a given night.
 
2013-03-26 03:11:14 PM  
USCLaw2010:  A black sheriff?

Is he near?
 
2013-03-26 03:11:30 PM  

The_Sponge: tallguywithglasseson: Haggstrom turns to me. "Having sex is not a human right," he says quietly.

It's not? It's a basic human need. Who should we be prohibiting from having sex and why?

//arguing "buying sex is not a human right" might have some stronger arguments

Wait....what?

It's a want, not a need.

/Although I do get very cranky during slumps.


Generally speaking, people do not tolerate much in the way of restrictions for their biological functions.  Reproduction is a basic human necessity. Everything you see around you today was produced out of the desire to mate, feed, and change our environment to make it easier to mate and feed.  We just happen to be better at compensating for overpopulation than most animals.
 
2013-03-26 03:11:34 PM  

boinkingbill: No wonder why Julian Assange didn't want to go back to Sweden. That country has turned into a feminazi man hating crunt. I guess on the good side it looks like the easy life of a prostitute will come to an end.


Oh what most of us wouldn't give to enjoy the easy life of a prostitute...
 
2013-03-26 03:12:02 PM  

Resident Muslim: "...pay a fine, based on income"


John Tax?


John Dough Tax
 
2013-03-26 03:12:33 PM  
Anyone have an idea of what a Swedish Prostitute might look like?
 
2013-03-26 03:15:00 PM  

Mr Guy: Generally speaking, people do not tolerate much in the way of restrictions for their biological functions.



True.

Ladies.....let this be a lesson.  If you withhold sex, your boyfriend/husband is likely to cheat on you.
 
2013-03-26 03:15:39 PM  

8 inches: Anyone have an idea of what a Swedish Prostitute might look like?



A lot like a Norwegian prostitute.
 
2013-03-26 03:16:03 PM  

cboppert: These women need money or else they generally wouldn't be doing it (or they're being extorted by pimps, have had terrible childhoods, drugs), where as the men spending the money are generally well enough off to be trolling the streets for prostitutes on a given night.


That sentence goes for every person in every job, ever.  Two people have resources they value less than the resource another is willing to exchange.  Why does it matter that it's a sexual experience, and money?   We all know the only REAL answer is because in general, sexual promiscuity leads to court hassles with inheritance rights, as well as the spread of disease an unwanted children.  We basically say, because you might catch a disease, and we don't want to deal with the hassle of unintended pregnancy, we're going to interfere with your basic biological functions.
 
2013-03-26 03:18:07 PM  

The_Sponge: 8 inches: Anyone have an idea of what a Swedish Prostitute might look like?


A lot like a Norwegian prostitute.


and has more teeth than an English prostitute
 
2013-03-26 03:19:16 PM  
So let me get this straight.  The women are allowed to sell something that it is illegal to buy.  They get the money, direct the guy to a place they know is under surveillance, stall for a few minutes, let the cops shake the guy down, then the women walk away with the money.

Is that about right?  What could possibly go wrong with this?
 
2013-03-26 03:20:03 PM  
So for those of you who DNRTFA: Since 1999 the swedish cops have been randomly dropping in on hookers in the act and demanding that their clients pay the cops as well as the hooker.
It's not about justice, stopping crime or anything of the sort- it's about making sure the cops get their cut.
 
2013-03-26 03:23:26 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: Resident Muslim: "...pay a fine, based on income"


John Tax?

John Dough Tax


Why would the government leaven such taxes on them?!
 
2013-03-26 03:32:19 PM  
 TFA "He's given a choice: admit the offence and pay a fine, based on income, or go to court and risk publicity."

What if your income is 0? Court it is then...

monoski: The_Sponge: 8 inches: Anyone have an idea of what a Swedish Prostitute might look like?


A lot like a Norwegian prostitute.

and has more teeth than an English prostitute


And a whole lot better looking. Have you seen an English prostitute (I'm talking street hookers)? Just run the other way.
 
2013-03-26 03:44:36 PM  
Sweden is all kinds of farked up when it comes to sex.
 
2013-03-26 03:44:52 PM  

Resident Muslim: Civil_War2_Time: Resident Muslim: "...pay a fine, based on income"


John Tax?

John Dough Tax

Why would the government leaven such taxes on them?!


Agree, the idea is half baked.
 
2013-03-26 03:48:46 PM  
Just another tax
 
2013-03-26 03:53:22 PM  

jtown: So let me get this straight.  The women are allowed to sell something that it is illegal to buy.  They get the money, direct the guy to a place they know is under surveillance, stall for a few minutes, let the cops shake the guy down, then the women walk away with the money.

Is that about right?  What could possibly go wrong with this?


If their goal is to cut down on prostitution, not much. The john learns that the risk is his instead of the other way around like it's always been. Guys who get caught are less likely to reoffend. The client base dries up, so the woman might make some quick one-time cash from that guy, but she won't have an ongoing client.
 
2013-03-26 03:56:47 PM  

Mr Guy: I don't understand how people, who are apparently rational and actually care, can't seem to understand the connection between crime and prostitution is because you criminalized it and people are still willing to pay for it, not because sex work automatically attracts abused women.


Yes, I'm certain that you don't understand it.
 
2013-03-26 03:58:19 PM  

bhcompy: The end of this headline makes me think of Bubble Tape commercials


That gum was pretty good but not as awesome as Big League Chew, which my brother and I recently discovered is still sold at some Cracker Barrels.
 
2013-03-26 03:59:38 PM  
I was all cool with it until I saw this FTA:

"They have no confidence in themselves. They've been left out and neglected and try to get all kinds of attention."

Whoa whoa whoa, don't go helping out the attention whores to get more attention. We already see enough of that on 'reality' TV!
 
2013-03-26 04:00:19 PM  

Son of Thunder: Yes, I'm certain that you don't understand it.


However, me not understanding why people push a false correlation to excuse their own actions in persecuting others doesn't make it a good idea.
 
2013-03-26 04:14:05 PM  
This is what happens when second-wave, sex-negative feminists lobby and legislate unchallenged.

Instead of solving the  real problem -- human trafficking, poverty, inherent societal views of women as objects and property, and its various iterations -- and acknowledging women as human beings and sexual actors who are free to make choices about their own bodies and occupations, declare men the enemy and seek to punish them for seeking it in whatever consensual and respectful way they're capable  also as human beings and sexual actors. All while retaining maternalist, tacit assumptions that sex is shameful and an inherent objectification and degradation of women, and that women cannot be inherently sexual actors of their own choice let alone make a conscious, mediated choice to become a sex worker without some underlying issue.

Like it or not, prostitution isn't going away -- period. Men and women (lest we get carried away in misandric fervor, male sex workers alsoexist) get horny, and will seek sex from partners of their choice, without strings attached, by paying money for it. What leads to the violent and deplorable acts associated with prostitution, is the perceived immorality, illegality, and shame of that act on the part of both parties. It's not merely a legal problem, it's a  social one. So, let's stop thinking and claiming sex is shameful, crack down on the  actually violent, degrading, and deplorable acts associated with prostitution instead of prostitution itself, and let adults engage in consensual sex -- regardless of the conditions of that consent -- without shame.
 
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