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(Yahoo)   US spending money to aid moderate Syrian population, in hopes of one day being able to reintroduce the species to its former habitat of Washington, D.C   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 25
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2013-03-26 09:13:24 AM  
Good.
 
2013-03-26 10:17:05 AM  
Yeah, I'm OK with this.
 
2013-03-26 10:18:32 AM  
The moderate Syrians will join forces with the sober Irishmen and the black republicans to create the most formidable force you can transport in a Subaru you've ever encountered.
 
2013-03-26 10:24:24 AM  
Oh good! There is no way this could possibly backfire on us. Because if there is one lesson to be learned, it's that getting involved in a Middle East sectarian war can in no way come back to haunt us. But hey, Democracy will fix it, right?
 
2013-03-26 10:24:44 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: The moderate Syrians will join forces with the sober Irishmean, and the black republicans and Bigfoot to create the most formidable force you can transport in a Subaru you've ever encountered.


Fixed
 
2013-03-26 10:28:08 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Bareefer Obonghit: The moderate Syrians will join forces with the sober Irishmean, and the black republicans and Bigfoot to create the most formidable force you can transport in a Subaru you've ever encountered.

Fixed


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Don't you know what happens when you try to transport Bigfoot in a car?
 
2013-03-26 10:35:37 AM  
Now in a decade any moderate voice will be slandered as a pawn of the west.

fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.

Use a light touch and don't make promises we won't keep, Americans.
 
2013-03-26 10:59:16 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Zeb Hesselgresser: Bareefer Obonghit: The moderate Syrians will join forces with the sober Irishmean, and the black republicans and Bigfoot to create the most formidable force you can transport in a Subaru you've ever encountered.

Fixed

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Don't you know what happens when you try to transport Bigfoot in a car?


Needs a "This, this I can fap to." caption.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.


I can see the future, and it's exactly what you'd expect. The majority Sunni will make a power-grab, and wedge out the Shia, Christian, and Alawites. Probably violently.

Oh wait, that's already happening Link Link Link

There is a reason Assad has remained in power, despite the fact that he comes from a minority sect. It's because many people don't trust the rebels even though they don't like Assad. This mostly has to do with religious affiliation and fear of the next government that will replace him.

The U.S. needs to stay out. We have no control over these "moderates" and whether they will remain "moderate". Even if they are "moderate" that doesn't mean they will retain power after the fall of Assad.

The U.S. needs to know one thing: do we have any vital interests there? (And not whimsical interests about democracy and freedom, I mean real, strategic interests that will be helped by overthrowing Assad and will keep us committed to rebuilding the state afterwards) No? Then let them figure it out, and let the other Arab nations commit their blood and treasure.
 
2013-03-26 11:14:25 AM  
That's been the problem with Syria all along.

'So which group of 'going to bite us in the ass later for sure' people are we helping here?'
 
2013-03-26 11:15:16 AM  

Smackledorfer: Now in a decade any moderate voice will be slandered as a pawn of the west.

fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.

Use a light touch and don't make promises we won't keep, Americans.


Fomenting long term chaos in the Mid-East? That's CRAZY!
 
2013-03-26 11:43:44 AM  

Smackledorfer: Now in a decade any moderate voice will be slandered as a pawn of the west.

fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.

Use a light touch and don't make promises we won't keep, Americans.


Slandered? When they train with western powers and use that training to kill their countrymen?

Slander isn't the word for pointing out things that happened.
 
2013-03-26 11:46:08 AM  
I don't think I understand this headline
 
2013-03-26 11:56:33 AM  

skullkrusher: I don't think I understand this headline


You're going to need a bigger budget.
 
2013-03-26 12:00:36 PM  
Bay of Pigs 2.
 
2013-03-26 12:12:24 PM  

Ned Stark: Smackledorfer: Now in a decade any moderate voice will be slandered as a pawn of the west.

fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.

Use a light touch and don't make promises we won't keep, Americans.

Slandered? When they train with western powers and use that training to kill their countrymen?

Slander isn't the word for pointing out things that happened.


All people with a moderate voice train with western powers and use that training to kill their countrymen?

You be trollin'
 
2013-03-26 12:13:43 PM  

NINDroog: I can see the future


NINDroog: The U.S. needs to stay out.


We can't be isolationist on everything.  That is as stupid a policy as trying to control every regime everywhere.
 
2013-03-26 12:25:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ned Stark: Smackledorfer: Now in a decade any moderate voice will be slandered as a pawn of the west.

fark it, I can't see the future and bad things can happen without our interference too.

Use a light touch and don't make promises we won't keep, Americans.

Slandered? When they train with western powers and use that training to kill their countrymen?

Slander isn't the word for pointing out things that happened.

All people with a moderate voice train with western powers and use that training to kill their countrymen?

You be trollin'


The ones who are going to be relevant to a post-assad Syrian government(assuming they don't lose and all get shot)? Yep, looks like it.
 
2013-03-26 12:26:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: NINDroog: I can see the future

NINDroog: The U.S. needs to stay out.

We can't be isolationist on everything.  That is as stupid a policy as trying to control every regime everywhere.


Leaving people the hell alone: exactly as bad as killing them.

You be trollin'
 
2013-03-26 12:35:23 PM  

Ned Stark: The ones who are going to be relevant to a post-assad Syrian government(assuming they don't lose and all get shot)? Yep, looks like it.


Except I'm not talking about ONLY that group.  Which is why I said slandered. Which is why I am saying that excessive involvement via pushing a moderate group will hurt any domestic moderate cause.

Have I been extremely unclear in posts thus far and is there something I can clarify for you?

Ned Stark: Leaving people the hell alone: exactly as bad as killing them.


It depends on what we are being isolationist about.  If it is a genocide, there is certainly an argument that it is worse to sit back and watch than to get involved.
 
2013-03-26 06:33:13 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: The moderate Syrians will join forces with the sober Irishmen and the black republicans to create the most formidable force you can transport in a Subaru you've ever encountered.


This.
 
2013-03-26 06:48:54 PM  
So we are backing the Islamic Radicals and the Moderates against Russia.
 
2013-03-26 07:40:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: We can't be isolationist on everything.  That is as stupid a policy as trying to control every regime everywhere.


At which point did I say that we should be isolationist? What I said was that we need to clearly define our interests there before we get involved. We haven't, because we don't have any. By defining our interests it makes sure we will have the political capital for long-term commitment, which is to say, we will not simply help topple an existing government and then take off with the country in tatters. Or at the very least, we will work in concert with other countries to make sure there is a viable transitional government or process to protect the people there.

These conditions, i.e. interests, do no exist for us in Syria, so after we help the rebels we will simply leave (the same as in Libya), leaving behind a power vacuum in a country rife with sectarian/religious animosity, with highly disproportionate demographics, and surrounded by countries that will aid varying factions. That is a recipe for disaster, and one that we will not overcome without massive intervention and  long-term commitment by the U.S. Something the U.S. will not be willing to do.

As I've said before, anytime the Arab League wants to hash things out and fix the situation, we should be willing to aid them (as long as their solution is amenible to our needs) and give them secondary support and peaceful aid. They have much more interest in seeing a long term peaceful Syria than we do. Until then, stay out.
 
2013-03-26 11:04:47 PM  
The term blowback comes to mind.
 
2013-03-27 05:34:14 AM  
You can't make fair bipolar world without breaking eggs. Luckily those eggs have funny religions colors and/or names
 
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