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2013-03-26 09:16:47 AM  

Cheeseface: FarkinNortherner: I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.

Not if we had already attempted a prosecution on this mystery Italian, and the evidence was spotty at best. I think protection from a second prosecution for the same crime is a fundamental pillar of our legal system in the States, and the guilt/innocence of the person doesn't matter. Maybe the prosecution shouldn't suck so badly next time?

The Italians won't be seeing her until the mystery Italian you speak of becomes a real person.


Not to mention the Mystery Italian would be given a lawyer could he not afford one and all that testimony without one  would be inadmissable. Even OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were afforded such a right.
 
2013-03-26 09:17:18 AM  
She's a skank.  She's not a nice person.  But I don't think the prosecution has much on her beyond that.
 
2013-03-26 09:17:43 AM  
maddogdelta:
I did not make any claims as to the story's veracity.  I merely pointed out the biography of the person that most scholars believe was the influence for the novel "The Count of Monte Christo".  Hence, the wording I chose "The original STORY"

If you want to browbeat me with your GED in Historical Liturachure, fine. But frankly, pick a fight with someone who gives a shiat, mmmmmmkay?


You posted two links!  Obviously I should have assumed from this that you had no interest in the subject?

Disagreeing with you or your sources is browbeating? I just happened to find a Monte-Cristo discussion in the middle of an American Justice vs the World pissing match fascinating.  Oh well.
 
2013-03-26 09:18:05 AM  

steverockson: doubled99: YES!!!
Fark this murdering biatch.  Maybe they can figure a way to retry Casey Anthony while they're at it.
Can't believe all the dupes here.

Please expound on what evidence there is that Ms. Knox killed anyone.


Stolen from Reddit post.

Physical Evidence

coroner concluded there were multiple assailantsKercher suffered knife wounds to both sides of her neck, most likely from different knivesKercher suffered mixture of brutal stabbings and minor torture woundsThere was no evidence of anyone other than AK/RS/RG in the cottageForensic Evidence

Kercher DNA and Knox DNA on knife found at Sollecito's flat (Sollecito confirmed blood by saying he cut Kercher's finger)Knox bloody footprints, one in Knox's bedroom, two in the hallKnox and Kercher mixed DNA traces in Romanelli's bedroom and hallwoman's footprint on bedsheet in Kercher's roomSollecito bloody footprint on bathroom matSollecito DNA on Kercher's bra claspKnox DNA on Kercher's braPartial match to Knox's DNA on Kercher's bra claspTestimony Evidence

Knox confessed she was at the scene and heard Kercher being killed, she later retracted her confessionno alibi for Knox between 20:30 and 01:00 (Sollecito testified he was asleep and she may have gone out)Knox and Sollecito changed their stories several times as new evidence emergedSollecito claimed he used his computer at home but no access between 21:10 and 01:00Knox claimed they had dinner at 23:00, disproved by Sollecito's phone call with his father about plumbing leaks 20:30Knox claimed she had shower at cottage despite the broken front window, open front door and blood in the bathroomKnox and Sollecito claimed to be asleep until 10:30 but Sollecito computer accessed at 05:30, mobile phone used at 06:00 and 09:30Knox and Sollecito knew details about the murder scene but were not in line of sight when the door was openedsignificant inconsistencies in Knox and Sollecito testimonies, both tried to blame it on memory lossWitness Evidence

Fabio Gioffredi (sees AK/RS/RG together several days before murder so they knew each other)Antonio Curatolo (sees AK/RS at 21:30 and 23:00 basketball court, chatting animatedly, watching gate of cottage)Hekuran Kokomani (sees AK/RS in car by cottage, hits RS, AK wields knife BUT Albanian drug dealer and his car parked on their drive?)Mara Capezzali (hears a woman's scream and two people running from cottage 23:00-23:30)Antonella Monacchia (hears man and woman arguing in Italian and a loud scream some time after 22:00)Maria Dramis (hears footsteps on metal staircase at 23:00)Giampaolo Lambrotti (mechanic who fixed broken-down car 22:30-23:30, saw small dark-coloured car parked outside the cottage)Marco Quintavalle (sees AK in grocery store 07:45 morning after murder)Alessandra Formica and boyfriend (Guede bumps into them when he is leaving cottage 22:30)Mrs Lana (receives bomb threat 22:00, finds Kercher phones the following morning, coincidence?)CCTV of woman in white skirt approaching cottage at 20:43 (corrected to 20:51), Kercher was with Purton until 20:55CCTV of Guede approaching cottage at 20:10 (corrected to 20:18) and again at 20:40 (corrected to 20:48)Modified Murder Scene Evidence

Kercher's body moved after death (shoulder and bra strap imprint in dried blood), Guede seen leaving scene quicklyfake break-in (broken glass on both sides of window sill, glass on top of clothes/PC, closed shutters, impossible to climb in without cutting hands on glass, no systemmatic search for valuable items, no valuable items taken, trail of tiny glass particles from Filomena's room out of house)Knox reading lamp found in Kercher's room on the floor behind the door indicates clean-upNo Knox fingerprints/DNA in her own room indicates clean-upNo heelprint on floor next to bathroom mat with partial footprint and no footprints from the bathroom indicates clean-upKnox and Sollecito are the only people with a motive to rearrange the crime sceneCharacter Evidence

Knox and Sollecito did not break open Kercher's door for several hours depite concerns for her safetyKnox falsely accused Lumumba of the murder to save herselfKnox breakdown when she was shown the knifes in the drawer at the cottageKnox irrational behaviour when arrested and lack of remorse for the victimKnox wrote a story about drugging and raping a young girl and published it on her websiteKnox promised Sollecito she would never take drugs again after the murderSollecito used hard drugsSollecito formerly disciplined by university for watching bestiality pornSollecito collected guro hentai and knivesSollecito diary entry when Guede arrested, saying he was concerned about an 'unknown'Sollecito carried pocket knife which matched murder weapon size, boasted to father "stupid police didn't find it"Other Evidence

Brutal attack followed by someone trying to help the victim indicates several people at cottageKnox and Sollecito phones both switched off all evening, unusual for themKnox had a similar amount of cash on her person to the money stolen from Kercher's bedroomKnox had a minor cut/scratch on her neck the following morning
 
2013-03-26 09:18:16 AM  

crab66: She might have been a bit of a skank. But that's not a crime the last time I checked.


Thunderpipes: US does it too.

Look at Zimmerman. Mainstream media even alters police phone calls to make him look guilty. Our President came out and sided with Traypack. No evidence anywhere to support that, does not stop liberals. Foreign countries are even worse. The coverage of Traypack is absolutely terrible.

Don't pretend this is anything but politcal shenanigans.


Yeah, and he will get his day in court.  A court which afaik his defense attorneys can strike down jurors who have bias vis a vis that media coverage.

I'm not saying we're perfect - we've certainly released more than our fair share of "convicted murderers" who were "totally innocent but kind of sketch so let's pin the crime on them and take the easy way out" - but to compare our justice system to Italy is freaking ridiculous.  As is this comparison.

/Traypack, that's what you're calling the deceased kid now?
//just call him by  his goddamn name
 
2013-03-26 09:20:54 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: She's a skank.  She's not a nice person.  But I don't think the prosecution has much on her beyond that.


Do you know her? i share a few aquaintences with her and they dont say those things.

/have never met her
 
2013-03-26 09:23:01 AM  

ace in your face: JohnAnnArbor: She's a skank.  She's not a nice person.  But I don't think the prosecution has much on her beyond that.

Do you know her? i share a few aquaintences with her and they dont say those things.

/have never met her


She was supposed to be studying overseas.  Instead, she was drugging up and screwing people she barely knew.  That's skanky.
 
2013-03-26 09:23:07 AM  
Oh Christ fark. If you're going to give a new fancy WYSIWYG posting area make it work.

Physical Evidence
- coroner concluded there were multiple assailants
- Kercher suffered knife wounds to both sides of her neck, most likely from different knives
- Kercher suffered mixture of brutal stabbings and minor torture wounds
- There was no evidence of anyone other than AK/RS/RG in the cottage

Forensic Evidence
- Kercher DNA and Knox DNA on knife found at Sollecito's flat (Sollecito confirmed blood by saying he cut Kercher's finger)
- Knox bloody footprints, one in Knox's bedroom, two in the hall
- Knox and Kercher mixed DNA traces in Romanelli's bedroom and hall
- woman's footprint on bedsheet in Kercher's room
- Sollecito bloody footprint on bathroom mat
- Sollecito DNA on Kercher's bra clasp
- Knox DNA on Kercher's bra
- Partial match to Knox's DNA on Kercher's bra clasp
Testimony Evidence
- Knox confessed she was at the scene and heard Kercher being killed, she later retracted her confession
- no alibi for Knox between 20:30 and 01:00 (Sollecito testified he was asleep and she may have gone out)
- Knox and Sollecito changed their stories several times as new evidence emerged
- Sollecito claimed he used his computer at home but no access between 21:10 and 01:00
- Knox claimed they had dinner at 23:00, disproved by Sollecito's phone call with his father about plumbing leaks 20:30
- Knox claimed she had shower at cottage despite the broken front window, open front door and blood in the bathroom
- Knox and Sollecito claimed to be asleep until 10:30 but Sollecito computer accessed at 05:30, mobile phone used at 06:00 and 09:30
- Knox and Sollecito knew details about the murder scene but were not in line of sight when the door was opened
- Significant inconsistencies in Knox and Sollecito testimonies, both tried to blame it on memory loss
Witness Evidence
- Fabio Gioffredi (sees AK/RS/RG together several days before murder so they knew each other)
- Antonio Curatolo (sees AK/RS at 21:30 and 23:00 basketball court, chatting animatedly, watching gate of cottage)
- Hekuran Kokomani (sees AK/RS in car by cottage, hits RS, AK wields knife BUT Albanian drug dealer and his car parked on their drive?)
- Mara Capezzali (hears a woman's scream and two people running from cottage 23:00-23:30)
- Antonella Monacchia (hears man and woman arguing in Italian and a loud scream some time after 22:00)
- Maria Dramis (hears footsteps on metal staircase at 23:00)
- Giampaolo Lambrotti (mechanic who fixed broken-down car 22:30-23:30, saw small dark-coloured car parked outside the cottage)
- Marco Quintavalle (sees AK in grocery store 07:45 morning after murder)
- Alessandra Formica and boyfriend (Guede bumps into them when he is leaving cottage 22:30)
- Mrs Lana (receives bomb threat 22:00, finds Kercher phones the following morning, coincidence?)
- CCTV of woman in white skirt approaching cottage at 20:43 (corrected to 20:51), Kercher was with Purton until 20:55
- CCTV of Guede approaching cottage at 20:10 (corrected to 20:18) and again at 20:40 (corrected to 20:48)
Modified Murder Scene Evidence
- Kercher's body moved after death (shoulder and bra strap imprint in dried blood), Guede seen leaving scene quickly
- fake break-in (broken glass on both sides of window sill, glass on top of clothes/PC, closed shutters, impossible to climb in without cutting hands on glass, no systemmatic search for valuable items, no valuable items taken, trail of tiny glass particles from Filomena's room out of house)
-Knox reading lamp found in Kercher's room on the floor behind the door indicates clean-up
- No Knox fingerprints/DNA in her own room indicates clean-up
- No heelprint on floor next to bathroom mat with partial footprint and no footprints from the bathroom indicates clean-up
- Knox and Sollecito are the only people with a motive to rearrange the crime scene
Character Evidence
- Knox and Sollecito did not break open Kercher's door for several hours depite concerns for her safety
- Knox falsely accused Lumumba of the murder to save herself
- Knox breakdown when she was shown the knifes in the drawer at the cottage
- Knox irrational behaviour when arrested and lack of remorse for the victim
- Knox wrote a story about drugging and raping a young girl and published it on her website
- Knox promised Sollecito she would never take drugs again after the murder
- Sollecito used hard drugs
- Sollecito formerly disciplined by university for watching bestiality porn
- Sollecito collected guro hentai and knives
- Sollecito diary entry when Guede arrested, saying he was concerned about an 'unknown'
- Sollecito carried pocket knife which matched murder weapon size, boasted to father "stupid police didn't find it"
Other Evidence
- Brutal attack followed by someone trying to help the victim indicates several people at cottage
- Knox and Sollecito phones both switched off all evening, unusual for them
- Knox had a similar amount of cash on her person to the money stolen from Kercher's bedroom
- Knox had a minor cut/scratch on her neck the following morning
 
2013-03-26 09:24:18 AM  

GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.


Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.
 
2013-03-26 09:24:22 AM  

ace in your face: GungFu: fastfxr: Last time I checked, acting strange and being a retard wasn't a crime, nor did it make you guilty of a crime. YOU try being convicted of murder and facing life at her age.

Bunch of a$$hats here--acting strange != guilty.

Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

So its her fault that merely suggesting someone who she thought might have killed her was jailed? Sounds like another gigantic failure in behalf of the Italian legal system.


Merely Suggesting someone? Brilliant!
She accused him of being the killer, dummy!
 
2013-03-26 09:25:10 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: crab66: She might have been a bit of a skank. But that's not a crime the last time I checked.

Thunderpipes: US does it too.

Look at Zimmerman. Mainstream media even alters police phone calls to make him look guilty. Our President came out and sided with Traypack. No evidence anywhere to support that, does not stop liberals. Foreign countries are even worse. The coverage of Traypack is absolutely terrible.

Don't pretend this is anything but politcal shenanigans.

Yeah, and he will get his day in court.  A court which afaik his defense attorneys can strike down jurors who have bias vis a vis that media coverage.

I'm not saying we're perfect - we've certainly released more than our fair share of "convicted murderers" who were "totally innocent but kind of sketch so let's pin the crime on them and take the easy way out" - but to compare our justice system to Italy is freaking ridiculous.  As is this comparison.

/Traypack, that's what you're calling the deceased kid now?
//just call him by  his goddamn name


We are terrible. DA had nothing, did not press charges. Obama sends in the DOJ to get a special prosecutor to arrest and charge him? Imagine if the races were reversed?

Politics determine justice in this country, and in others. Not facts, not truth. Traypack is his name, or should I use no_limit_N****? He was a thug wanna be.
 
2013-03-26 09:26:32 AM  
www.dvrbs.com

i'm in
 
2013-03-26 09:28:30 AM  

Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.



Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.
 
2013-03-26 09:30:20 AM  

GungFu: Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.


Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.


So you don't care that she was interrogated for hours/days with no lawyer present and coerced to give a statement?
 
2013-03-26 09:30:42 AM  
GungFu:She accused him of being the killer, dummy!
You are the dummy here if you don't take into account the f*ck knows how many hours she'd been under interrogation without a lawyer. You're a fool.
 
2013-03-26 09:31:54 AM  

GungFu: Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.


Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.


How about this. I interrogate you in an Italian Police station for four days straight and you not say anything false even when I'm screaming out you for not giving me the information that I want.
 
2013-03-26 09:33:08 AM  

darkscout: Stolen from Reddit post.


I can't link directly to the comment, but here's the Reddit post in question.

And here's your counterargument.

GungFu: I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.


Because you're going to be thinking properly while being detained by the cops for days without the presence of a lawyer?
 
2013-03-26 09:33:41 AM  
GungFu:She accused him of being the killer, dummy!
You are the dummy here if you don't take into account the f*ck knows how many hours she'd been under interrogation without a lawyer. You're a fool if you believe the crap the tabloids peddle.
 
2013-03-26 09:34:44 AM  

GungFu: ace in your face: GungFu: fastfxr: Last time I checked, acting strange and being a retard wasn't a crime, nor did it make you guilty of a crime. YOU try being convicted of murder and facing life at her age.

Bunch of a$$hats here--acting strange != guilty.

Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

So its her fault that merely suggesting someone who she thought might have killed her was jailed? Sounds like another gigantic failure in behalf of the Italian legal system.

Merely Suggesting someone? Brilliant!
She accused him of being the killer, dummy!


So you think if I call up the police and tell them "omg Gung Fu comitted murder", when infact i may think you did it, its my fault that the police throw you in jail fir 2 weeks? No. Its the police fault that he was held in jail. He should have been merely called in for questioning but the corrupt Italian system let him languish in jail.
 
2013-03-26 09:34:59 AM  

GungFu: fastfxr: Last time I checked, acting strange and being a retard wasn't a crime, nor did it make you guilty of a crime. YOU try being convicted of murder and facing life at her age.

Bunch of a$$hats here--acting strange != guilty.

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Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.


Well, she did spend like 3 years in jail for a crime she probably didn't commit.  Does that make you feel any better?
 
2013-03-26 09:35:07 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The good thing about this is that she'll most likely end up having to do porn to pay her legal bills.

[blogs.seattleweekly.com image 300x300]

Oh yeah, that's it.


I hear shes killer in the sack.
 
2013-03-26 09:35:22 AM  

darkscout: Oh Christ fark. If you're going to give a new fancy WYSIWYG posting area make it work.

Physical Evidence
- coroner concluded there were multiple assailants
- Kercher suffered knife wounds to both sides of her neck, most likely from different knives
- Kercher suffered mixture of brutal stabbings and minor torture wounds
- There was no evidence of anyone other than AK/RS/RG in the cottage

Forensic Evidence
- Kercher DNA and Knox DNA on knife found at Sollecito's flat (Sollecito confirmed blood by saying he cut Kercher's finger)
- Knox bloody footprints, one in Knox's bedroom, two in the hall
- Knox and Kercher mixed DNA traces in Romanelli's bedroom and hall
- woman's footprint on bedsheet in Kercher's room
- Sollecito bloody footprint on bathroom mat
- Sollecito DNA on Kercher's bra clasp
- Knox DNA on Kercher's bra
- Partial match to Knox's DNA on Kercher's bra clasp
Testimony Evidence
- Knox confessed she was at the scene and heard Kercher being killed, she later retracted her confession
- no alibi for Knox between 20:30 and 01:00 (Sollecito testified he was asleep and she may have gone out)
- Knox and Sollecito changed their stories several times as new evidence emerged
- Sollecito claimed he used his computer at home but no access between 21:10 and 01:00
- Knox claimed they had dinner at 23:00, disproved by Sollecito's phone call with his father about plumbing leaks 20:30
- Knox claimed she had shower at cottage despite the broken front window, open front door and blood in the bathroom
- Knox and Sollecito claimed to be asleep until 10:30 but Sollecito computer accessed at 05:30, mobile phone used at 06:00 and 09:30
- Knox and Sollecito knew details about the murder scene but were not in line of sight when the door was opened
- Significant inconsistencies in Knox and Sollecito testimonies, both tried to blame it on memory loss
Witness Evidence
- Fabio Gioffredi (sees AK/RS/RG together several days before murder so they knew each other)
- Antonio Curatolo (sees ...


The problem here is that there is no evidence of any connection whatsoever between Knox and Guerde.
 
2013-03-26 09:37:45 AM  

Thunderpipes: StreetlightInTheGhetto: crab66: She might have been a bit of a skank. But that's not a crime the last time I checked.

Thunderpipes: US does it too.

Look at Zimmerman. Mainstream media even alters police phone calls to make him look guilty. Our President came out and sided with Traypack. No evidence anywhere to support that, does not stop liberals. Foreign countries are even worse. The coverage of Traypack is absolutely terrible.

Don't pretend this is anything but politcal shenanigans.

Yeah, and he will get his day in court.  A court which afaik his defense attorneys can strike down jurors who have bias vis a vis that media coverage.

I'm not saying we're perfect - we've certainly released more than our fair share of "convicted murderers" who were "totally innocent but kind of sketch so let's pin the crime on them and take the easy way out" - but to compare our justice system to Italy is freaking ridiculous.  As is this comparison.

/Traypack, that's what you're calling the deceased kid now?
//just call him by  his goddamn name

We are terrible. DA had nothing, did not press charges. Obama sends in the DOJ to get a special prosecutor to arrest and charge him? Imagine if the races were reversed?

Politics determine justice in this country, and in others. Not facts, not truth. Traypack is his name, or should I use no_limit_N****? He was a thug wanna be.


Hey, FYI, you're farking pathetic. Keep voting Republican, asshole.
 
2013-03-26 09:38:26 AM  

GungFu: Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.


Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.


Retard thinking. Is that being 100% sure she's guilty with no evidence of it? Shut the fark up already.
 
2013-03-26 09:38:47 AM  

Bungles: doczoidberg: Bungles: jority of people who consider either innocent are also those in their home countries, whereas the international community sees things quite differently.

WHY???????

Why do people tend to lean towards the innocence of their countrymen when charged abroad? It's just sort of a natural thing to do.


I have this wierd quirk of believing a person is innocent until PROVEN beyond a reasonable doubt of their quilt in a court whose foundation is absolute truth and facts. Yes, there are absolutes and yes, there is truth so don't start on that "muddying the water" tactic. Save that for politics.
 
2013-03-26 09:41:13 AM  

ethics-gradient: GungFu:She accused him of being the killer, dummy!
You are the dummy here if you don't take into account the f*ck knows how many hours she'd been under interrogation without a lawyer. You're a fool.


steverockson: GungFu: Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.


Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.

So you don't care that she was interrogated for hours/days with no lawyer present and coerced to give a statement?



So you don't care she named an innocent man and say, not Guede, a person she knew and who was later convicted of Kircher's murder, as a possible suspect?

And you don't care that the poor girl was interrogated for days and was hit in the head have all been denied by the Italian police? But of course, they are lying about that, aren't they? Of course they are!
 
2013-03-26 09:41:20 AM  
All you have to do is look at her face, and you KNOW she's guilty.
It's really that simple to anyone with perception and good judgement.
 
2013-03-26 09:41:48 AM  

GungFu: I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.


I'm retarded for expecting investigators to determine the veracity of an accusation, especially one given while under duress, more rapidly and intelligently than taking two farking weeks.  Good to know.

Prick.
 
2013-03-26 09:41:58 AM  

AxemRed: Several European countries have declined to extradite Roman Polanski.


That's correct. France doesn't extradite its own nationals. Switzerland treated the farcical DOJ request with the contempt it deserved. However, Italy does have a bipartite agreement with the US. Treating Europe (Switzerland isn't even an EU country) as a cultural and legal monolith is almost always misguided.
 
2013-03-26 09:44:33 AM  

shonday: GungFu: Bruce Campbell: GungFu: Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.
Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.
I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.

As I said before, Knox is a coont.

Wow.  I didn't know that foreign students had authority to arrest people.  If the accusation was baseless as you said, then what farking investigator believed it.  That's the investigator's fault, not hers.  The investigator is the coont, as shown by farking up the entire investigation.


Wow, what a retarded judicial system you have in your head.

I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.

Retard thinking. Is that being 100% sure she's guilty with no evidence of it? Shut the fark up already.



No.

What retard assumes that she is 100% guilty? I didn't mention anything in regards to whether she is guilty of the murder or not. You just made that up. Retard. Reading carefully before writing. Idiot.
 
2013-03-26 09:44:49 AM  

tkwasny: Bungles: doczoidberg: Bungles: jority of people who consider either innocent are also those in their home countries, whereas the international community sees things quite differently.

WHY???????

Why do people tend to lean towards the innocence of their countrymen when charged abroad? It's just sort of a natural thing to do.

I have this wierd quirk of believing a person is innocent until PROVEN beyond a reasonable doubt of their quilt in a court whose foundation is absolute truth and facts. Yes, there are absolutes and yes, there is truth so don't start on that "muddying the water" tactic. Save that for politics.


The "muddying of the waters" has already happened....as I was saying before, just compare the coverage inside the US and outside.

After the first trail, when she was found guilty, people oddly didn't consider he guilty.... just "presumed innocent until proven guilty...then still presume innocent".
 
2013-03-26 09:45:46 AM  

Bungles: The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).


The UK pushed the media angle far more than the US. The US covered it, but it was never a central story.
 
2013-03-26 09:45:57 AM  

Bruce Campbell: GungFu: I'm under custody for a potential murder, and I say, it wasn't me, it was this other guy (who's innocent) and basically, it's not my fault for accusing him and if he gets detained in prison for two weeks while the cops investigate whether I was telling teh truth or not.

Fark me, you are retarded. No wonder people think she's entirely innocent. Retard thinking does that, I suppose.

I'm retarded for expecting investigators to determine the veracity of an accusation, especially one given while under duress, more rapidly and intelligently than taking two farking weeks.  Good to know.

Prick.



Trying to backtrack. Prick.
 
2013-03-26 09:47:18 AM  
...like the angry Gavel of God
 
2013-03-26 09:48:51 AM  

This text is now purple: Bungles: The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).

The UK pushed the media angle far more than the US. The US covered it, but it was never a central story.



I mean that was pretty much the common view outside the US (in the UK, Australia, and Germany at least, they're the only three countries I was in for any length during the trial and directly witnessed.)
 
2013-03-26 09:50:08 AM  
I was refreshing my memory on this case.  The prosecutors working theory was that Knox and Sollecito committed the murder with Lumumba.  When they found the DNA and fingerprints of Guede all over the room where Kercher was murdered they just substituted Guede for Lumumba. Voila!

/Nice police work there chief.
 
2013-03-26 09:50:16 AM  

FarkinNortherner: I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.


I doubt you'd see much agitation for the extradition of an Italian citizen already tried and acquitted of murder, who then subsequently returned to Italy.

Because under American jurisprudence, that man is innocent.

But you might talk the US into trading Knox for Polanski.
 
2013-03-26 09:53:24 AM  

GungFu: And you don't care that the poor girl was interrogated for days and was hit in the head have all been denied by the Italian police? But of course, they are lying about that, aren't they? Of course they are!


Regardless of the (dubious at best, IMHO) integrity of the Italian police, the claim regarding Lumumba was made in the presence of her lawyer.
 
2013-03-26 09:59:43 AM  
She is lucky this happened in Italy and eventually got away.I'm sure courts over there are about as legit as ours.
 
2013-03-26 10:00:04 AM  
Heh... This thread is a train wreck.

She was acquitted on appeal. Unless the prosecutors have some new evidence, I see no reason why she should be tried again. Italy must have some farked up laws if a person, who was acquitted can be retried until the prosecutors get the verdict they want.

If the courts in Italy want to try her in absentia, that's their business, but the US has no obligation to surrender a US citizen, who was, and this is the important part, acquitted on appeal.

I don't know whether she actually took part in the murder or not, so I have no strong opinion one way or the other, but the Italian courts let her go. I see no reason what-so-ever why the US should allow her to be extradited to be tried again.
 
2013-03-26 10:04:33 AM  

doczoidberg: They NEVER do


If OJ had kept his nose clean, he would have walked. Casey Anthony walked. The fact of the matter is that the government gets one crack at you in our system, and if they fail, and if you don't fark up later, you are free.

On the other hand, from further reading it appears that in the Knox case we have an initial conviction overturned on appeal that the high court is throwing back for retrial. That's actually  not double jeopardy.
 
2013-03-26 10:06:17 AM  

This text is now purple: I doubt you'd see much agitation for the extradition of an Italian citizen already tried and acquitted of murder, who then subsequently returned to Italy.


There seems to be some question as to whether she was actually acquitted under Italian law, but I take your point.
 
2013-03-26 10:06:39 AM  

doglover: of a legal system. The truth doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, common sense doesn't matter: as long as the lawyers have money to burn the battle isn't over.


This is less of a problem with the legal system generally as with prosecutors whose career prospects depend on putting people in jail, not justice, and who also can't ever admit to convicting (or usually even prosecuting) an innocent person.  Even for the ones who want to be honest, cognitive dissonance sets in and you end up with arguments that DNA testing of old convictions shouldn't be allowed because it might call into question old convictions.
 
2013-03-26 10:07:54 AM  
It think the investigators in the Knox case and the West Memphis PD must have gone to the same evidence gathering seminar.
 
2013-03-26 10:09:09 AM  

CheatCommando: doczoidberg: They NEVER do

If OJ had kept his nose clean, he would have walked. Casey Anthony walked. The fact of the matter is that the government gets one crack at you in our system, and if they fail, and if you don't fark up later, you are free.

On the other hand, from further reading it appears that in the Knox case we have an initial conviction overturned on appeal that the high court is throwing back for retrial. That's actually  not double jeopardy.



Like OJ, she's writing a book. Let's see if that pans out the same way.

(and I look forward to her donating a proportion of her $4million fee to the poor  Kercher family......)
 
2013-03-26 10:20:43 AM  
The Italian judicial system is a piece of shiat. Same for France.

The American system is not perfect, but I'd rather be wrongly charged of a crime here than in Italy or France.

I'd rather not be wrongly charged of a crime anywhere... just sayin.

Also, I found this pic of a workstation in an Italian forensics lab...

 oi47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-26 10:22:16 AM  

RevMark: The Italian judicial system is a piece of shiat. Same for France.

The American system is not perfect, but I'd rather be wrongly charged of a crime here than in Italy or France.

I'd rather not be wrongly charged of a crime anywhere... just sayin.

Also, I found this pic of a workstation in an Italian forensics lab...

 [oi47.tinypic.com image 320x241]



What's your issue with the French legal system?
 
2013-03-26 10:23:07 AM  

GungFu: Trying to backtrack. Prick.


There was no backtrack there, moron.
 
2013-03-26 10:26:50 AM  

ethics-gradient: GungFu:Yeah, that's how Americans see it.Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.

I'm British and I don't believe your version for a minute, it stinks like sh*te.
Anyone who has been picked up by a Mediterranean country's "police" and screamed at for several hours solid knows you're gonna end up saying what they want you to say. I was ready to "admit" to being a 6' German after only 2 hours (felt like much longer) so please spare me that "accused an innocent man" crap. She said what the police wanted, you would have done the same.
A charitable view is that you're naive in the ways of the world.


Zeb Hesselgresser: You just can't stress this enough, when questioned by the police,

 STFU

These two statements remind me of the "Don't Talk to Police" video.  Specifically, it reminds me of the second half, where the police officer points out that in other countries (and I'm sure Italy is one he means) they start out interrogations using fists instead of words.  I would not put much stock in anything Amanda Knox said to authorities, especially if she didn't have an attorney (or as has been said, even a professional translator) present...
 
2013-03-26 10:28:12 AM  

Thunderpipes: ace in your face: I don't think the US would ever agree, especially since (fark lawyers chime in?) it would be illegal to retry her within our legal system.

Probably the key point here. US can refuse, especially if the country's court system is too harsh and different.

Besides, the EU is never real happy to extradite people back to us. Screw em.


We'll trade her for Roman Polanski
 
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