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(BBC)   It's a hard Knox life: Amanda Knox to be retried for murder in Italy   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 436
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2013-03-26 06:15:41 AM  
Typical of a legal system. The truth doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, common sense doesn't matter: as long as the lawyers have money to burn the battle isn't over. Ws are Ls waiting to happen and Ls are Ws ready to bloom and a decision is only final if you're unlucky enough to land in front a supreme court.

Sigh.

Anyway, I hope she bugs out to a country where Italy can't extradite her from and ends this case once and for all. It's too late for Justice.
 
2013-03-26 06:22:11 AM  

doglover: Typical of a legal system. The truth doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, common sense doesn't matter: as long as the lawyers have money to burn the battle isn't over. Ws are Ls waiting to happen and Ls are Ws ready to bloom and a decision is only final if you're unlucky enough to land in front a supreme court.

Sigh.

Anyway, I hope she bugs out to a country where Italy can't extradite her from and ends this case once and for all. It's too late for Justice.


TFA said Italian Law cannot compel her to return to Italy from the United States, but she may be tried in absentia and would presumably be arrested upon return to Italy should she be found guilty. I'm curious as to whether the rest of the EU would have to hand her over should she go to any member country.
 
2013-03-26 06:25:30 AM  

manwithplanx: TFA said Italian Law cannot compel her to return to Italy from the United States


Ever hear of diplomacy?

You want your trade agreement, Mr Ambassador? *sips chianti* You give us the Knox girl and you get your agreement. And may your first child be a masculine child.
 
2013-03-26 06:31:18 AM  
Oh cavolo, non questa merda di nuovo...

/is that idiot Giuliano "ZOMG SATANIC RITUALS" Mignini still prosecuting?
 
2013-03-26 06:31:30 AM  
its amazing the damage a stupid/corrupt/asshole district attorney can cause....
 
2013-03-26 06:34:53 AM  

Weaver95: its amazing the damage a stupid/corrupt/asshole district attorney can cause....


talesuntangled.files.wordpress.com

It's based on a true story. Although in the real story, the man doesn't have a happy ending.
 
2013-03-26 07:02:35 AM  
They gonna come to Seattle and get her?
 
2013-03-26 07:02:38 AM  

doglover: manwithplanx: TFA said Italian Law cannot compel her to return to Italy from the United States

Ever hear of diplomacy?

You want your trade agreement, Mr Ambassador? *sips chianti* You give us the Knox girl and you get your agreement. And may your first child be a masculine child.


I don't forsee that happening. It would be politically undesirable. I think they'll try the case in absentia. The trial issue political theater for Italy.
 
2013-03-26 07:07:12 AM  
The Italian judicial system is an embarassing joke of corruption, ineptitude, and face saving 'old boys' network.
 
2013-03-26 07:07:16 AM  
I don't think the US would ever agree, especially since (fark lawyers chime in?) it would be illegal to retry her within our legal system.
 
2013-03-26 07:07:30 AM  

doglover: Typical of a legal system. The truth doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, common sense doesn't matter: as long as the lawyers have money to burn the battle isn't over. Ws are Ls waiting to happen and Ls are Ws ready to bloom and a decision is only final if you're unlucky enough to land in front a supreme court.

Sigh.

Anyway, I hope she bugs out to a country where Italy can't extradite her from and ends this case once and for all. It's too late for Justice.


Er, kinda like where she is now? She'll be tried in absentia.
And if guilty, she fight to stay in the US for years.
 
2013-03-26 07:09:06 AM  
The whole case stinks to high heaven. This is a very Italian response to a major f*** up.
 
2013-03-26 07:09:09 AM  
She lives in Seattle but, if convicted, Italy could seek her extradition.

Good luck with that.
 
2013-03-26 07:09:55 AM  
I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?
 
2013-03-26 07:11:52 AM  
Am I mistaken in thinking this is a load of garbage from the start?
 
2013-03-26 07:12:16 AM  

ace in your face: I don't think the US would ever agree, especially since (fark lawyers chime in?) it would be illegal to retry her within our legal system.


media.screened.com
 
2013-03-26 07:12:29 AM  
While I don't think a re-trial should be allowed, there remain so many questions about what really happened to her room-mate over there.  I don't recall that ever being clarified.  Anybody really know?
 
2013-03-26 07:13:22 AM  

ace in your face: I don't think the US would ever agree, especially since (fark lawyers chime in?) it would be illegal to retry her within our legal system.


Probably the key point here. US can refuse, especially if the country's court system is too harsh and different.

Besides, the EU is never real happy to extradite people back to us. Screw em.
 
2013-03-26 07:13:25 AM  
So Italy farked up the prosecution, now they say they've farked up the acquittal so they want to retry her?

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2013-03-26 07:13:28 AM  
Love the logic here by the DA - "The DNA didn't match, so lets re-try her and see if we have enough to convict without it."  You know, it might be a good idea to find out who's DNA does match what they found, you know, because they might be the real killer.

/Bet it was OJ
 
2013-03-26 07:13:59 AM  
Cue Nancy Grace in 3...2...
 
2013-03-26 07:14:22 AM  

Weaver95: its amazing the damage a stupid/corrupt/asshole district attorney can cause....


Lets not put all the blame on one person, there entire legal system is farked up. How the hell is it even possible to overturn an acquittal?
 
2013-03-26 07:14:26 AM  

miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?


Yeah, that's how Americans see it.

Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.
 
2013-03-26 07:15:10 AM  
Good luck with that, Italy.
 
2013-03-26 07:15:53 AM  
This just in... Italian justice isn't.
 
2013-03-26 07:16:07 AM  

TommyDeuce: Love the logic here by the DA - "The DNA didn't match, so lets re-try her and see if we have enough to convict without it."  You know, it might be a good idea to find out who's DNA does match what they found, you know, because they might be the real killer.

/Bet it was OJ


If the knife does not fit ...
 
2013-03-26 07:19:17 AM  
The good thing about this is that she'll most likely end up having to do porn to pay her legal bills.

blogs.seattleweekly.com

Oh yeah, that's it.
 
2013-03-26 07:19:34 AM  
manwithplanx: I'm curious as to whether the rest of the EU would have to hand her over should she go to any member country.

Yes I think we do, which is something I personally find appaling and frightening; that an incompetant system like Italy can reach out and grab people from here in the UK. (Not that the UK is perfect by any means, but the cynical stupidity of some of the other EU countries beats us by a long shot.)
Why did our politicians allow this? I reckon it's actually the same root cause as the Euro crisis, a refusal to admit to the glaring reality that different EU countries have very different standards of competance in policing, judiciary, government and finance. Let's face it, some countries are better at some things than others.

Had Knox and Sollecito been tried in a British court of law I'm sure the judge would have ruled case dismissed within less than a day and they would have walked free without a stain on their characters.
 
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2013-03-26 07:21:45 AM  

GungFu: miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?

Yeah, that's how Americans see it.

Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.


Thanks for illustrating how you know nothing about the case. Any more idiotic opinions you want to chime in with?
 
2013-03-26 07:22:14 AM  

manwithplanx: doglover: Typical of a legal system. The truth doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, common sense doesn't matter: as long as the lawyers have money to burn the battle isn't over. Ws are Ls waiting to happen and Ls are Ws ready to bloom and a decision is only final if you're unlucky enough to land in front a supreme court.

Sigh.

Anyway, I hope she bugs out to a country where Italy can't extradite her from and ends this case once and for all. It's too late for Justice.

TFA said Italian Law cannot compel her to return to Italy from the United States, but she may be tried in absentia and would presumably be arrested upon return to Italy should she be found guilty. I'm curious as to whether the rest of the EU would have to hand her over should she go to any member country.


Even if Itally said, TOTALLY INNOCENT I don't think I would ever set foot in Italy again were I her.

I'd be a little burned out on the whole international travel I think.
 
2013-03-26 07:22:16 AM  

GungFu: miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?

Yeah, that's how Americans see it.

Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.


She's innocent. That's all that matters.
 
2013-03-26 07:23:11 AM  

miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?


No, they got the guy. He was basically a stranger, broke into the house, raped/killed the girl, left his DNA and fingerprints everywhere.

The first theory was Knox did it, evidence came to light that she didn't (fingerprints and DNA), and they made up stuff to keep her involved. (furry satanic sex orgy..no seriously)
 
2013-03-26 07:27:31 AM  
Italy is a rather shiatty country.  I really don't know why the Euro hasn't given them the boot.  Besides the whole money issue.   The country is corrupt and last I checked couldn't even handle basic services like trash in the southern part of the country.  Their "courts" are a farking joke.  Didn't they get a tad pissy when an author pointed out that a string of serial killings wasn't Satan Worshippers?  They ended up tossing him in jail because he more of less stepped on the Prosecutor and his ideas.  Also the same country that put scientists in jail for failing to predict an earthquake down to the day? Yes, they actually convicted some scientists over a damn earth quake.  If you can't/don't want to understand modern science then I am one of those that thinks you have no right to any of it's benefits.
You aren't Saudi Arabia and you aren't in the farking middle ages anymore Italy!

I don't care if the chick did it. Fact is Italy has a farked up legal system.  Duh, considering the whole mafia thing, but not a place to get caught up in and no excuse in this modern era.  I really hope the US doesn't extradite her if they push forward.  The more I hear about Italy from fellow travelers and news the less I want to travel there.

/I know the US legal system can be a joke, but nothing compared to Italy.
//After the whole earthquake thing I just can't take them seriously.  I think the Euro does need to have standards as far as courts go, but that would require real government power and we can't have that.
///The country doesn't have a great historical record of dealing with critical thinking skills it would seem.
 
2013-03-26 07:28:31 AM  
You know what's REALLY bizarre???

--I have asked several British people POINT BLANK to explain to me why they're so convinced that Amanda Knox is guilty, and NOT ONE has ever answered me.

It's insane.
 
2013-03-26 07:28:49 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: its amazing the damage a stupid/corrupt/asshole district attorney can cause....

[talesuntangled.files.wordpress.com image 510x680]

It's based on a true story. Although in the real story, the man doesn't have a happy ending.


Its been a while, but IIRC, he could have a happy ending, he just chooses not too.  In the movie he forgives his would-be wife they and their son go live "happily ever after" fabulously rich.

In the book though he never forgives her and the son is forced to go fight in the foreign legion or something (which...odds are he won't survive), and he's much more ruthless in his revenge for everyone.  I actually prefer the book.  The movie is ridiculously black and white in its portrayals of all the characters.
 
2013-03-26 07:29:03 AM  

incrdbil: The Italian judicial system is an embarassing joke of corruption, ineptitude, and face saving 'old boys' network.


We all know those old men just want her over there as their sex slave, so lets just cut to the chase and have her agree to 6 months sex slave duty servicing the court.
 
2013-03-26 07:31:38 AM  

doczoidberg: You know what's REALLY bizarre???

--I have asked several British people POINT BLANK to explain to me why they're so convinced that Amanda Knox is guilty, and NOT ONE has ever answered me.

It's insane.


Media propaganda. The tabloids in the UK flogged the fark out of this story for months. For a while there I was using it as a litmus test to judge individuals critical thinking abilities. Sadly - most people are quite happy to be led by the nose, a fact that probably shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
2013-03-26 07:32:47 AM  
I guess they don't have double Jeopardy laws in Italy.

Well, fark them.  I would hide her somewhere.
 
2013-03-26 07:33:16 AM  
GungFu:Yeah, that's how Americans see it.Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.

I'm British and I don't believe your version for a minute, it stinks like sh*te.
Anyone who has been picked up by a Mediterranean country's "police" and screamed at for several hours solid knows you're gonna end up saying what they want you to say. I was ready to "admit" to being a 6' German after only 2 hours (felt like much longer) so please spare me that "accused an innocent man" crap. She said what the police wanted, you would have done the same.
A charitable view is that you're naive in the ways of the world.
 
2013-03-26 07:33:18 AM  

pedobearapproved: miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?

No, they got the guy. He was basically a stranger, broke into the house, raped/killed the girl, left his DNA and fingerprints everywhere.

The first theory was Knox did it, evidence came to light that she didn't (fingerprints and DNA), and they made up stuff to keep her involved. (furry satanic sex orgy..no seriously)


Out of curiosity: was the first theory that Knox did it based on anything aside from: "Gee, they lived together, she probably killer her then right?  I mean, roommates kill eachother all the time, it seems perfectly reasonable"?

I get that primary suspects are often those closest, Husbands/wives, girlfriends/boyfriends, etc.  But generally you don't go to actual prosecution without SOME kind of evidence.  Just because murders are "often" perpetrated by those close to the victim doesn't mean you just prosecute every dick or jane who fits the profile...
 
2013-03-26 07:33:30 AM  
Because the rest of the world is just a Disneyland of quaint buildings and strange customs; in short, it's the American playground.
 
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2013-03-26 07:33:31 AM  
If they just keep trying her, they will eventually get the result they want.

I can't see her being extradited though.
 
2013-03-26 07:33:34 AM  

manwithplanx: TFA said Italian Law cannot compel her to return to Italy from the United States, but she may be tried in absentia and would presumably be arrested upon return to Italy should she be found guilty.


Lot's of conflicting stories out there, but the New York Times article posted this morning raises the possibility of extradition.
 
2013-03-26 07:34:25 AM  

GungFu: Yeah, that's how Americans see it.

Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.


which of those things is mudering her roommate? Also which do you believe, a convited theif breaks into a house, gets a fright, rapes and kills the girl that startled him and would recognise him.

Or her roommate has sex an orgy with her and kills her by cutting her, or in a satanic ritual, or because of her chores...while a stranger was in the house raping her.

Also it's funny that Rudy Guede acknowledges he was there during the murder, but didn't identify Knox or her boyfriend as the killer. That doesn't seem like a problem to you?
 
2013-03-26 07:35:14 AM  
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2013-03-26 07:37:06 AM  

Cold_Sassy: I guess they don't have double Jeopardy laws in Italy.

Well, fark them.  I would hide her somewhere.


I doubt she'll have to hide anywhere... The US probably isn't going to agree to any extradition requests.

If she's found guilty in absentia, she may not be able to travel to the EU anymore, but there's no way she'll have to hide or leave the US, I'm guessing.
 
2013-03-26 07:40:05 AM  

ethics-gradient: I was ready to "admit" to being a 6' German after only 2 hours (felt like much longer)


This sounds like an interesting tale...
 
2013-03-26 07:40:32 AM  

GungFu: Everyone else sees somehow who lied, accused an innocent man and has generally shown to be a bit of a coont.


As far as I can tell, being a bit of a coont isn't a crime under Italian law.
 
2013-03-26 07:40:40 AM  
Someone else who was tried in the media and was also acquitted:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-26 07:41:41 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: pedobearapproved: miss diminutive: I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?

No, they got the guy. He was basically a stranger, broke into the house, raped/killed the girl, left his DNA and fingerprints everywhere.

The first theory was Knox did it, evidence came to light that she didn't (fingerprints and DNA), and they made up stuff to keep her involved. (furry satanic sex orgy..no seriously)

Out of curiosity: was the first theory that Knox did it based on anything aside from: "Gee, they lived together, she probably killer her then right?  I mean, roommates kill eachother all the time, it seems perfectly reasonable"?

I get that primary suspects are often those closest, Husbands/wives, girlfriends/boyfriends, etc.  But generally you don't go to actual prosecution without SOME kind of evidence.  Just because murders are "often" perpetrated by those close to the victim doesn't mean you just prosecute every dick or jane who fits the profile...


It seems like pride. While they should have been taking a close look at Knox at the start of the case, the second they have DNA from someone on, and inside the dead girl, and well as bloody handprints and that guy tells them some random Italian guy did it (not Knox and her boyfriend), you might need to drop those charges. Meanwhile the murderer is going to get out in 2016 because he said he was sorry.
 
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