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2013-03-26 10:54:12 AM

KatjaMouse: WhippingBoy: If she's genuinely happy with her body, the comments of an anonymous poster on the internet won't matter one whit.

No, but making it all about her looks detracts from an actual conversation. You don't like her comedy or think she's a sh*tty actress/personality you're free to include that as a topic for discussion as it is a valid/reasonable point. It's zeroing in on how hot or not (in this case not) a celebrity/female politician is that continually lands Fark on internet misogyny lists.


I think she is unfunny and ugly.  Why can't she be both?
 
2013-03-26 10:59:05 AM
Her ink is fine, it's the face that needs to covered up.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:15 AM
Meh, she got all these tattoos to get attention and to be a social outsider.  She's loving every second of this.   The only sad part is that the traditional spa is feeding into this, instead of treating tattoos like the boring Mom Jeans they are.
 
2013-03-26 11:01:59 AM
Margaret Cho is pretty funny.  Not the funniest person on the planet, but I enjoy her work.

There are a lot of prudes on Fark.  They are tattoos, get over it.
 
2013-03-26 11:10:31 AM
My guess is they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone as is their right. There will be another one lady, probably less than a mile away. Try that one and then you won't have to be in the news, which, I think, is the entire reason we are talking about this.
 
2013-03-26 11:23:08 AM
I like her ink.
I also think stupid tats look stupid.
It's her body. She can do with it what she wants.

If you're going to have your house painted, get a good painter.
If you want ink, get an artist.
 
2013-03-26 11:24:27 AM

neongoats: Don't you love seeing these full body tattoo people when they hit about age 50? Like someone laid an Archie comic book out in the sun for a month and splashed it with water a couple times.

Ooo, edgy.


You don't have to even wait until 50.  The tattoo art style will likely be dated within 10 years, just like tribal tats and barbed wire bicep tats have.  Everytime I see a 20 something with these stylized tat sleeves I think  " Congrats nitwit, you've just given yourself a permanent mullet".
 
2013-03-26 11:25:50 AM
Everyone is missing the point of the story: that there are spas where Korean women walk around naked. I would have thought the article would  have provided an example of what this might look like, and failing that, that Farkers might, but I would be wrong.
 
2013-03-26 11:27:57 AM

KatjaMouse: WhippingBoy: If she's genuinely happy with her body, the comments of an anonymous poster on the internet won't matter one whit.

No, but making it all about her looks detracts from an actual conversation. You don't like her comedy or think she's a sh*tty actress/personality you're free to include that as a topic for discussion as it is a valid/reasonable point. It's zeroing in on how hot or not (in this case not) a celebrity/female politician is that continually lands Fark on internet misogyny lists.


Wait. Are you actually saying that we're participating in an online community that continually lands on internet misogyny lists? Are you actually saying that???
Crap... oh dear lord... I'm... I'm going to have to go off and re-think my entire life now... how... how could I have let things go so horribly wrong...
 
2013-03-26 11:36:35 AM
I used to work with a Korean guy who would shiat himself when he saw my tattoos. Now I understand why.

//Came for photos of Korean women.
///Leaving dissapointed.
 
2013-03-26 11:37:41 AM

Christian Bale: Everyone is missing the point of the story: that there are spas where Korean women walk around naked. I would have thought the article would  have provided an example of what this might look like, and failing that, that Farkers might, but I would be wrong.


THIS
 
2013-03-26 11:39:42 AM

WhippingBoy: gothelder: SpdrJay: I have a full body tattoo of a guy who looks exactly like me.

Wow, almost as impressive as mine, guy looks just like me, but a bit taller.

I got a tattoo of a larger penis tattooed on my penis.

/penis


Did you get the tattoo included in the tattoo? It's like infinite regression penii. Only the tattoo is larger than...

...wait, what?
 
2013-03-26 11:41:40 AM

InmanRoshi: neongoats: Don't you love seeing these full body tattoo people when they hit about age 50? Like someone laid an Archie comic book out in the sun for a month and splashed it with water a couple times.

Ooo, edgy.

You don't have to even wait until 50.  The tattoo art style will likely be dated within 10 years, just like tribal tats and barbed wire bicep tats have.  Everytime I see a 20 something with these stylized tat sleeves I think  " Congrats nitwit, you've just given yourself a permanent mullet".


Man, you should come over to my house for the Academy Awards.  I would love to hear your critique of the women's dresses each year.  You are gay, right?
 
2013-03-26 11:44:07 AM
Back in those innocent days of 2009, Margaret Cho helped me get an early green, which was a great boost to my ego.

Memories...http://www.fark.com/comments/4679207/Margaret-Cho-anal-bl eaching-Youre -welcome
 
2013-03-26 11:45:39 AM

ModernLuddite: I used to work with a Korean guy who would shiat himself when he saw my tattoos. Now I understand why.

//Came for photos of Korean women.
///Leaving dissapointed.


2.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

Whatever floats your boat, pal.
 
2013-03-26 11:46:29 AM

Sybarite: Comedian Margaret Cho

"Comedian"


How the fark she made a career out of "I like buttsex and my mom talks funny!" is beyond me.
 
2013-03-26 11:51:05 AM
She's is completely unfunny. However, I like the tats.
 
2013-03-26 11:56:01 AM
She's also a big fan of gang bangs and anonymous sex.  Check out her interview with Mark Maron.
 
2013-03-26 12:10:09 PM
A narcissistic, rude, egotistical celebrity?  I'm shocked!

After being told tattoos are tabboo in Korean culture: "I told her I was aware of that, but that I really wanted to enjoy the spa and my treatments"

She's not funny and just looking for some attention--what a surprise.
 
2013-03-26 12:10:40 PM

Buttknuckle: Man, you should come over to my house for the Academy Awards. I would love to hear your critique of the women's dresses each year. You are gay, right?


Oh, you got me.  You inferred that I might be homosexual.  Man, you really burned me.

Congrats for putting it upon yourself to prove that the stereotype of the tribal tattoo is almost assuredly  the hallmark of a mouth-breather.  Must be a heavy cross to bear.
 
2013-03-26 12:12:57 PM
I remember that one time she did that joke about how her mom talks.   That was great stuff.
 
2013-03-26 12:21:31 PM

InmanRoshi: Buttknuckle: Man, you should come over to my house for the Academy Awards. I would love to hear your critique of the women's dresses each year. You are gay, right?

Oh, you got me.  You inferred that I might be homosexual.  Man, you really burned me.

Congrats for putting it upon yourself to prove that the stereotype of the tribal tattoo is almost assuredly  the hallmark of a mouth-breather.  Must be a heavy cross to bear.


Um, I'm gay and as liberal as they come.
 
rka
2013-03-26 12:22:27 PM

EatHam: dittybopper: However, you wouldn't go to a Jewish bakery and expect them to have deviled ham to schmear on your bagel, would you?

No, but I also wouldn't expect them to make me wear a yarmulke in there either.


If Korean culture had some sort of headgear I could definitely see them making patrons to a Korean spa, in LA or Podunk Iowa, wear one.

That's how Koreans roll. She's made fun of her mother enough in her acts that she damn well should know that aspect.
 
2013-03-26 12:41:28 PM

dittybopper: Also, it's not like she didn't have other spa choices. She *CHOse* to go there, and unless she's completely tone deaf to the culture she was raised in, she should have known what the reaction was going to be. I see her as being the unreasonable one here.


Bingo.  LA has probably thousands of spas, which I'm sure cater to all kinds of specific clientele.  She picked one that wasn't right for her, and frankly it's the spa owner's choice.  I'm sure there are many spas that would happily take her business and would be a better fit for her.
 
2013-03-26 12:49:32 PM

dittybopper: She *CHOse* to go there


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
Likes the way you CHANG the spelling to suit you.
 
2013-03-26 12:53:12 PM
So she's still dumping on her culture (and that has always been my perception of her "comedy").  And daddy still doesn't love her.
 
2013-03-26 01:00:25 PM

2CountyFairs: Crewmannumber6: She started out pretty funny until she decided to go 'Edgy', which she decided meant saying fark 4 times a sentence and talking about her pussy until people got uncomfortable.

[ts4.mm.bing.net image 234x300]


Only when said woman is ass-farking ugly.
 
2013-03-26 01:03:21 PM

Marshal805: 2CountyFairs: Crewmannumber6: She started out pretty funny until she decided to go 'Edgy', which she decided meant saying fark 4 times a sentence and talking about her pussy until people got uncomfortable.

[ts4.mm.bing.net image 234x300]

Only when said woman is ass-farking ugly.


That's Margaret Cho I'm talking about, BTW.  Julianne Moore can talk about her vagina whenever she likes.
 
2013-03-26 01:04:47 PM

blender61: the bottom line is that tattoos carry a cultural connotation that is unacceptable in Korea.
she should know this, or does she think that an exception should be made for her because she is somehow special.


I'm guessing Korean culture is similar to Japanese cultrue in this, and that the level of tattooing she has on her body reads "gangster" to any elderly Korean or Japanese patron.

That said, I actually think maggie cho is pretty hot,   maybe its just me, but I would in  a heartbeat
 
2013-03-26 01:10:37 PM

DeepDownHounds: I think it's totally silly to say her ink looks like shiat. She has the money and the freedom to be worked on by world-class artists. Those aren't bullshiat onsie-twosie flash pieces picked off a wall, those are fully realized concepts and long, hard-earned sessions with undoubtedly talented world-class tattoo artists. That is literally (not figuratively) some of the best tattooing the world has to offer, and it sucks?


Right. Have you actually seen her tattoos? If that's truly the best the world's tattoo artists have to offer, then it's a pretty craptastic art form.
 
2013-03-26 01:46:07 PM

EatHam: dittybopper: However, you wouldn't go to a Jewish bakery and expect them to have deviled ham to schmear on your bagel, would you?

No, but I also wouldn't expect them to make me wear a yarmulke in there either.


If that was a condition of me going into their business, why would I care?  I'd either not go, or wear the kippa.  I wouldn't walk in, and on being told I need to cover my head, loudly complain about it.  I'd leave, or cover my pate.
 
2013-03-26 01:55:20 PM
I know there are a lot of deniers in here, so I'll just post a few pics.
blog.v-rag.com
timparksmediaho.files.wordpress.com

humorinamerica.files.wordpress.com
Haters be hatin'

/I see the irrational Fark Anti-tat Brigade is out in force
//go practice your zealotry somewhere else.  It's just skin, it's not sacred.  The argument is just about as stupid as complaining that you use your PC to view images you like.  "TV's aren't for that!  Sinner!  You're going to HELL!"  What the fark ever. Even if you don't happen to be religious, your views are born of the same bad logic.
///and you hipster tatoo snobs?  You are just as bad.  That goes for quality snobs and size snobs as well.


Meh, as to the article....

If it's a place of business and not a church, they should allow anyone.  Gay, tatoos, black, white etc.  I find it amazing how you people will stick up for the rights of gays or other races, vilify Westboro Baptists, yet turn around and side with other prejudices vilifying that which is different or "offensive"
/or do we have a bunch of gay haters/racists in here too?
//come on now, speak up...

Seriously, if skin color doesn't matter, why do tatoo's matter?

Answer: Because you hold an irrational belief.  You find them distasteful and attempt to formulate a "valid" reason to dislike them to the point where you fool yourself and you equate tatoos to IQ or something similarly retarded.  Same bigotry concealment/rationalization attempts that racists/sexists/etc use all of the time.

Do society a favor, find a really fast moving bus, or hell, even a car(60mph+ ), and try to halt it's movement with only the physical force of your genitals.
 
2013-03-26 01:57:36 PM
Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.
 
2013-03-26 02:05:21 PM

Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.


She could have gone to Red Door Spa, but she opted for a Korean style treatment instead. It would be like me going out of my way to drive to the German Gourmet to pick up bratwursts and farmer's bread rather than going to Safeway and find something comparable. She wanted a specific style of body treatment that's culturally unique rather than going to western style business. I think the business is in the wrong on this one. At some point by planting themselves in a pretty liberal town full of "artistic" people, they shouldn't complain about seeing inked skin.
 
2013-03-26 02:07:36 PM
maybe its just me, but I would in  a heartbeat

seconded
 
2013-03-26 02:11:34 PM

Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.


I disagree.  Korean spas are very nice and probably have a range of services other spas might not.  If these services are what you grew up with and enjoy, I can see why one would want to go back.  If the spa really had a problem with tattoos, they would have an upfront sign about it.

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.  I am positive the old ladies complained because she spoke in Korean to them and they realized she could understand them and call them out on their crap (think back to that episode of Seinfeld at the Korean nail salon).  Old Korean ladies can be very mean.

/korean, born and raised in korea
 
2013-03-26 02:25:34 PM

stainedglassdoll: Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.

I disagree.  Korean spas are very nice and probably have a range of services other spas might not.  If these services are what you grew up with and enjoy, I can see why one would want to go back.  If the spa really had a problem with tattoos, they would have an upfront sign about it.

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.  I am positive the old ladies complained because she spoke in Korean to them and they realized she could understand them and call them out on their crap (think back to that episode of Seinfeld at the Korean nail salon).  Old Korean ladies can be very mean.

/korean, born and raised in korea


This.

culture =/= religion

For example, it is typically considered discrimination if you deny service based on religion or lack-thereof.  That is part of US culture.

Unless the tatoo consisted of hate speech, there's no real reason for a place that allows nudity to ask certain individuals to cover up.
 
2013-03-26 02:35:29 PM
stainedglassdoll:

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.

If there was a double standard then Yeah, she has a valid gripe.
I didn't get the thing about a man there with ink.
 
2013-03-26 02:44:06 PM

omeganuepsilon: stainedglassdoll: Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.

I disagree.  Korean spas are very nice and probably have a range of services other spas might not.  If these services are what you grew up with and enjoy, I can see why one would want to go back.  If the spa really had a problem with tattoos, they would have an upfront sign about it.

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.  I am positive the old ladies complained because she spoke in Korean to them and they realized she could understand them and call them out on their crap (think back to that episode of Seinfeld at the Korean nail salon).  Old Korean ladies can be very mean.

/korean, born and raised in korea

This.

culture =/= religion

For example, it is typically considered discrimination if you deny service based on religion or lack-thereof.  That is part of US culture.

Unless the tatoo consisted of hate speech, there's no real reason for a place that allows nudity to ask certain individuals to cover up.


Yes there is- it's a PRIVATE BUSINESS. They can exclude anyone they want.

I constantly have to explain this to drunk assholes who cannot FATHOM how it is that they're not being allowed into a bar/club.
 
2013-03-26 02:44:23 PM

Christian Bale: Everyone is missing the point of the story: that there are spas where Korean women walk around naked. I would have thought the article would  have provided an example of what this might look like, and failing that, that Farkers might, but I would be wrong.


I've been in them. Most of the women are 70 year old ajumas.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-03-26 02:45:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: Haters be hatin'


That's because she's fugly. And not very funny.
 
2013-03-26 02:52:24 PM

ninotchka: Christian Bale: Everyone is missing the point of the story: that there are spas where Korean women walk around naked. I would have thought the article would  have provided an example of what this might look like, and failing that, that Farkers might, but I would be wrong.

I've been in them. Most of the women are 70 year old ajumas.


Sweet.

/Ajumma has two m's.
 
2013-03-26 02:57:48 PM

manimal2878: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll never understand the need for people to get full-body tattoos. I have a small tribal tattoo around my upper arm that women seem to love. I doubt they'd like it if it were a huge sleeve or back tattoo.

I'll never understand the need for people to get small tribal tattoos.  I have no tattoos and the women seem to love my bare body.  I doubt they would like me if I had tribal tattoos or other small tattoos.


When someone brags about having a tribal tattoo, I ask what tribe they are.  If they can't answer, i ask why the ink?  Even my brother chose to have Bear symbols as a way to show our Kiowa side, although traditionally, our people didn't do tattoos.  Margaret should have considered whether or not there were older Korean women in the spa, and have some respect for them.  Even I was brought up to know, there are just certain things you don't foist upon your elders, even if you are all hip and contemporary and whatnot.  If you show some Respect to your elders, you won't have to get a walking-stick beatdown from them later for doing something you ought to know was just plain stupid.
 
2013-03-26 03:01:34 PM
Ok, so let's play a quick word swap game:

blender61: the bottom line is that tattoos carry a cultural connotation that is unacceptable in Korea.
she should know this, or does she think that an exception should be made for her because she is somehow special.


Hmmmmmmmm......

blender61: the bottom line is that being black carries a cultural connotation that is unacceptable in America.
they should know this, or do they think that an exception should be made for them because they are somehow special.


There we go.

Am I equating her experience in a bath house to years of slavery and the oppresion of an entire race of people till quite recently? No. Of course not.

Am I suggesting you sound like a close minded dolt who's mentality of "hey, that's just the way it is so you should STFU and go away" helps stagnate the evolution of the human race? Yeah. Yeah I am.
 
2013-03-26 03:21:05 PM

darch: omeganuepsilon: stainedglassdoll: Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.

I disagree.  Korean spas are very nice and probably have a range of services other spas might not.  If these services are what you grew up with and enjoy, I can see why one would want to go back.  If the spa really had a problem with tattoos, they would have an upfront sign about it.

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.  I am positive the old ladies complained because she spoke in Korean to them and they realized she could understand them and call them out on their crap (think back to that episode of Seinfeld at the Korean nail salon).  Old Korean ladies can be very mean.

/korean, born and raised in korea

This.

culture =/= religion

For example, it is typically considered discrimination if you deny service based on religion or lack-thereof.  That is part of US culture.

Unless the tatoo consisted of hate speech, there's no real reason for a place that allows nudity to ask certain individuals to cover up.

Yes there is- it's a PRIVATE BUSINESS. They can exclude anyone they want.

I constantly have to explain this to drunk assholes who cannot FATHOM how it is that they're not being allowed into a bar/club.


And she is aloud to biatch about them.
 
2013-03-26 03:21:52 PM

manimal2878: She sucks, the whole of her comedy is:  my mother is traditionally Korean and I'm a whiny biatch, wanghhhh


And I'm fat and guys won't have sex with me
 
2013-03-26 03:23:44 PM
fark threads: where people do the exact thing they denigrate others for.
 
2013-03-26 03:25:43 PM

darch: omeganuepsilon: stainedglassdoll: Virtual Pariah: Doesn't make any sense to me unless she's AW-ing.

She could have picked another spa pretty easily,
Why say you want to partake of a part of Korean culture when your raison d'etre is to rail against the majority of it.

Give her props for her charity work, but this was an obvious instigation.

I disagree.  Korean spas are very nice and probably have a range of services other spas might not.  If these services are what you grew up with and enjoy, I can see why one would want to go back.  If the spa really had a problem with tattoos, they would have an upfront sign about it.

If a man at the spa was tattooed, I am almost certain no one would say boo to him (I think she alludes to this as much in TFA).  Furthermore, I think if she had been white, or any other race besides Korean, people would would have been content to whisper behind her back.  I am positive the old ladies complained because she spoke in Korean to them and they realized she could understand them and call them out on their crap (think back to that episode of Seinfeld at the Korean nail salon).  Old Korean ladies can be very mean.

/korean, born and raised in korea

This.

culture =/= religion

For example, it is typically considered discrimination if you deny service based on religion or lack-thereof.  That is part of US culture.

Unless the tatoo consisted of hate speech, there's no real reason for a place that allows nudity to ask certain individuals to cover up.

Yes there is- it's a PRIVATE BUSINESS. They can exclude anyone they want.

I constantly have to explain this to drunk assholes who cannot FATHOM how it is that they're not being allowed into a bar/club.


this hasn't been true since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, because "private businesses" are also, often "public accomodations"
 
2013-03-26 03:26:37 PM

darch: Yes there is- it's a PRIVATE BUSINESS. They can exclude anyone they want.

I constantly have to explain this to drunk assholes who cannot FATHOM how it is that they're not being allowed into a bar/club.


False.

You can exclude people who have behavior issues, loud, annoying, mean, etc. Behaviors that are not typically condoned in public.

Dress code is inapplicable as these people are allowed in clothes or in the nude/scantily clad.

You cannot exclude people based on skin color, religion(or lack-thereof).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-discrimination_law

And more importantly:
http://oag.ca.gov/publications/CRhandbook/ch4

The Unruh Civil Rights Act (76), or Unruh Act, as discussed in the housing chapter of this publication, applies to all business establishments of every kind whatsoever which provide services, goods, or accommodations to the public. Businesses subject to the Unruh Act include bookstores, gymnasiums, shopping centers, mobile home parks, bars and restaurants, schools, medical and dental offices, hotels and motels, and condominium homeowners associations. (77) The Unruh Act prohibits all types of arbitrary discrimination, and not just discrimination based on sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, age, disability or medical condition. (78) The Unruh Act also prohibits discrimination based on personal characteristics, geographical origin, physical attributes, and individual beliefs. For example, the arbitrary exclusion of individuals from a restaurant based on their sexual orientation is prohibited.

Jim from Saint Paul: Am I suggesting you sound like a close minded dolt who's mentality of "hey, that's just the way it is so you should STFU and go away" helps stagnate the evolution of the human race? Yeah. Yeah I am.


THIS!
 
2013-03-26 03:26:46 PM

blender61: the bottom line is that tattoos carry a cultural connotation that is unacceptable in Korea.
she should know this, or does she think that an exception should be made for her because she is somehow special.


Newsflash:  They are in America.  Not Korea.
 
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