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(Advertising Age)   Millennials rank their fave restaurant chains, don't include McDonald's in Top 10 because it's not socially conscious or relevant. MCD to fight back with their Subway buster, the McWrap   (adage.com) divider line 131
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2013-03-26 05:18:22 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?


Is it just me, or does that list seem to be the "who has the most commercials on TV?"   Advertise, and millennials will come.  Are they just a bunch of highly suggestible morons?
 
2013-03-26 05:23:10 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: ReapTheChaos: gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

I doubt those places would stay in business if the service and food was as bad as you are making them out to be. I'll take the local burger place where the food is cooked to order over McDonalds where the patties have been cooked and setting in a warmer for 30 minutes.

You never had a chain fast food job in high school did you? McDonald's are milant about food safety. Hold times on burger patties are much lower then 30 minutes


Nope, never worked at a fast food joint in my life, but I know what a burger fresh off the grill tastes like compared to a lukewarm one, which is what you get when you go there.
 
2013-03-26 05:53:24 AM
Living in DC I havent eaten 'fast food' in close to 8 months. Way too many excellent quick options for food around here that isn't one of the big five... McD, BK, Taco, Wendys, KFC.

My wife and I found a little Indian place near Verizon Center a few weeks ago that was basically an ethnic version of Chipotle and was out-farking-standing!
 
2013-03-26 06:26:56 AM
Their only hope is a McRedBull.

/McDonald's has gone down hill since the FDA forced them to stop putting cocaine in Big Macs.
 
2013-03-26 07:40:09 AM
There is precisely one Mickey D's within 30 miles of my house, and I have it on good authority that the only reasons it's still around are Happy Meals, and the permanent addition to their menu of the malevolently addictive Ribwich. Between the dominance of Whataburger and the recent incursion of Five Guys, I'm surprised they've managed to stick it out this long.

I'm willing to admit that I patronize it once a year, for their Super Bowl McNugget deal. They're not anywhere near as good as, say, Wendy's, but you can't beat 50 nuggets for $5.
 
2013-03-26 07:55:57 AM
McDonald's is trading at its 52 week high, thanks to people with no taste buds like gingerjet.

For all others who want grease that tastes good, there's

aht.seriouseats.com
 
2013-03-26 07:57:06 AM

rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.


I was a millennial back in college ('03-ish). I'm 32 now. ...still a millennial. People forget it's 20-friggin-13. Gen X'ers are like 47 years old. Baby Boomers are in their 60's. It's not 1995 anymore.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:54 AM
Advice to McDonalds: the "new sincerity" is not actually a thing that Millenials believe in.  When they told you that they prefer Subway because they can customize their sandwich, they were being sarcastic.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:55 AM
I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?
 
2013-03-26 08:12:27 AM

sure haven't: rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.

I was a millennial back in college ('03-ish). I'm 32 now. ...still a millennial. People forget it's 20-friggin-13. Gen X'ers are like 47 years old. Baby Boomers are in their 60's. It's not 1995 anymore.


Even the article gave an age range of 18-32, which would be people born from 1981-1995.
 
2013-03-26 08:18:02 AM
Right. Look, here we go-

tfw.cachefly.net

You do have a bump around the 20-24 bracket which I guess gets to be called something, but it really isn't much of a bump. It's a paradox that the demographic glitch that occurred when male people came back from the second world war and started making babies again without having another war to disrupt things inspired a bunch of branding-theory wankers to start thinking in terms of generations.
 
2013-03-26 08:21:29 AM
Olive Garden - Gick
Chili's - I had fajitas once, okay
Red Lobster - Gack
Applebee's - Oof
Outback - Meh
Texas Roadhouse - Never heard of it
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's - Friday's is just OK
Roadhouse - Never heard of it
Ruby Tuesday - I used to drink in the one in the mall, it's closed now
Red Robin - Yumm
Panera Bread  - Not bad, a little pricey
 
2013-03-26 08:42:54 AM

poot_rootbeer: Advice to McDonalds: the "new sincerity" is not actually a thing that Millenials believe in.  When they told you that they prefer Subway because they can customize their sandwich, they were being sarcastic.


Actually, it's not being sarcastic. As a general rule, the whole customization thing IS a big part of the marketing equation for Millenials ("I have to make everythng my own"). This is why you have stores and kiosks solely dedicated to different themes and covers for electronic gizmos. And it's something that Toyota learned very quickly with the Scion line of cars...you don't make a "car" for  this generation, you make a platform that you can easily plug in various customizable parts at the dealership. And I think that is the zeitgiest that Dr. Pepper is trying to latch on to with their current ad (for what it's worth).

Just look at all of the skins available for the xBox, Something that kind of sits quietly in a dark corner of your shelf. 15 years ago, no one would've thought that putting sticker decals on your home entertainment system would be a sellable idea.

*********

Now, on the other hand, there's absolutely no way McDonald's can compete in the customization of food products and keep their margins that they love. Their business is factory line speed. So good luck with that.
 
2013-03-26 08:48:26 AM
Olive Garden - Pass
Chili's - Chicken Enchilada soup. That is all.
Red Lobster - Cheddar biscuits. That is all.
Applebee's - Pass
Outback - OK, but I tend to only go there socially.
Texas Roadhouse - I'm partial to free peanuts for an appetizer, food's good too.
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's - No CF nearby, TGIF is decent.
Roadhouse - Not sure. I know of a Logan's Roadhouse, it was Meh(near carbon copy of Texas Roadhouse w/out the flavors)
Ruby Tuesday - I honestly need to give this one another chance, haven't been in over 5 years.
Red Robin - Never been.
Panera Bread  - I'm a fan of their soup/sandwich lunch combos.
 
2013-03-26 08:49:37 AM
Freddy's steakburgers
 
2013-03-26 09:53:47 AM
Not a single one of these things has less than a full gram of sodium in them.  Is it really necessary to do this McDonalds?

I enjoy salt as much as the next guy, but I promise you that halving the total in there wouldn't impact the taste that much, and I'd probably eat an extra one a month if you did this.
 
2013-03-26 09:54:30 AM
'83er here.

I eat Mickey D's. Love the angus burgers and the Filet O' Fishes. Want to get me to eat more? Start using real cheese and make the buns healthier. There's like 5 pounds of lard in those bad boys.

Also, stay away from ALEC and other derpshiat political affiliations.
 
2013-03-26 09:55:36 AM

dr.zaeus: Not a single one of these things has less than a full gram of sodium in them.  Is it really necessary to do this McDonalds?

I enjoy salt as much as the next guy, but I promise you that halving the total in there wouldn't impact the taste that much, and I'd probably eat an extra one a month if you did this.


This too.
 
2013-03-26 09:56:39 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?



A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.
 
2013-03-26 09:58:08 AM
Investing tip:  don't ever bet against McDonald's.
 
2013-03-26 10:17:40 AM

BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?


A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.


Yummy.

I hate to be a food snob, but expensive grass fed beef from small time farmers is the only way to go.
 
2013-03-26 10:44:48 AM
So they're reintroducing the Snack Wrap?

fastfood.ocregister.com
 
2013-03-26 10:57:42 AM
McD's has gone ethnic, just like Chuck E Cheese, fo shizzle
 
2013-03-26 11:00:19 AM

INeedAName: Living in DC I havent eaten 'fast food' in close to 8 months. Way too many excellent quick options for food around here that isn't one of the big five... McD, BK, Taco, Wendys, KFC.

My wife and I found a little Indian place near Verizon Center a few weeks ago that was basically an ethnic version of Chipotle and was out-farking-standing!


Name of Indian place please?

If you ever make it out to Tyson's Corner mall, try The Mixing Bowl, it's a Korean Chipolte and pretty good.  Also try Shophouse in Dupont Circle, it literally is the asian chipolte (started by the Chipolte guy after returning from a trip to Vietnam or something)
 
2013-03-26 11:02:08 AM

jdmac: Two all beef patties indeed.
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This is what happens when you have old people try to use "hip lingo". They get it wrong and wind up screwing the cheeseburger.


Well, if he works there, I hope he at least washes his hands after.
 
2013-03-26 11:08:08 AM

HotWingConspiracy: BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?


A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.

Yummy.

I hate to be a food snob, but expensive grass fed beef from small time farmers is the only way to go.


My GF and I have been trying this.  There's a lot of farmers in our area, for produce, dairy, and meat.

But it's soooo farking expensive.  I just can't justify it sometimes.  I can get a pork shoulder roast for .99/lb at the grocery store.  I just can't pay $8/lb for farm raised, no matter how much better it might be.  (The $8/lb is from one local place, I hope prices are lower elsewhere).
 
2013-03-26 11:16:43 AM
Here's roughly how this will go:
"Hey, welcome to mcdonalds, my life is hopeless, and you're a hipster douchebag. What do you want?"
"Hey, since i'm a hipster douchebag I want one of those wrap thingies that hipster douchebags eat."
"Ok, we have one of those! we even let you customize it- do you want chicken, chicken or chicken?"
"Seriously? that is sooo lame. I want pasteurized processed pork substitute. I'm out of this dump."

Seriously? Their idea of 'customization' is 3 different kinds of chicken? What about other meats like beef or pork? what about a vegetarian offering? c'mon!
 
2013-03-26 11:17:15 AM

panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs


t.qkme.me
/fat cow etc...
 
2013-03-26 11:41:21 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs

[t.qkme.me image 310x245]
/fat cow etc...


Cheese Weasel, let me show you how to do Ramsay properly.
 
2013-03-26 12:33:08 PM
panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs


The farmers market has crappy hours you know.
 
2013-03-26 12:47:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread


I suspect that survey excluded fast food places. I doubt people in their twenties frequent sit-down places more than fast food.

And regarding TFA:
1) The article is about a top ten list. And they tell us NONE of the entries? WTF?
2) Can McDonalds really be off the list if, as the article claims, "29% of all millennials' quick-service visits" are for burgers?
 
2013-03-26 12:50:20 PM

born_yesterday: But it's soooo farking expensive. I just can't justify it sometimes. I can get a pork shoulder roast for .99/lb at the grocery store. I just can't pay $8/lb for farm raised, no matter how much better it might be. (The $8/lb is from one local place, I hope prices are lower elsewhere).


Sounds about right. Maybe look for a CSA program to join to help with costs. I can't do it all the time either, but damn do I enjoy it when I can.
 
2013-03-26 12:51:15 PM
Aren't "wraps" a thing for those middle-aged people who can't stop yammering about "carbs"? You'd think for millennials you'd want something tastier and ethnic. Like a McBanhMi or a McBentoBox or something.
 
2013-03-26 12:54:45 PM
I challenge anyone to come up with a wrap that is the same physical size of one of McDonald's wrap and has as much fat or sodium while still being recognizable and edible. It's nearly impossible.
 
2013-03-26 01:01:31 PM

Cluckity: I challenge anyone to come up with a wrap that is the same physical size of one of McDonald's wrap and has as much fat or sodium while still being recognizable and edible. It's nearly impossible.


Wrap a quarter pound stick of salted lard in a tortilla? Sounds easy enough to me.
 
2013-03-26 01:15:14 PM
their ability to be able to personalize their food experience

That sounds dumb. I personalize my food experience by eating the food.
 
2013-03-26 01:15:54 PM

jaytkay: Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

I suspect that survey excluded fast food places. I doubt people in their twenties frequent sit-down places more than fast food.

And regarding TFA:
1) The article is about a top ten list. And they tell us NONE of the entries? WTF?
2) Can McDonalds really be off the list if, as the article claims, "29% of all millennials' quick-service visits" are for burgers?


Table service restaurants vs McD. Apples to hand grenades. Funny thing is hearing the word 'restaurant'  on TV ads for McD and Subway... who really considers these places a restaurant?
 
2013-03-26 01:25:04 PM

rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.


Odd. When I was younger, they told me I was a Gen Y-er.  Did that just get folded into Millenial?
 
2013-03-26 01:32:10 PM

verbaltoxin: McDonald's is trading at its 52 week high, thanks to people with no taste buds like gingerjet.

For all others who want grease that tastes good, there's

[aht.seriouseats.com image 500x333]


oh GOD. Ewww.

/Surprised 5Guys isn't on that list. I love that place.
 
2013-03-26 01:35:44 PM

GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?


That.  I'm 36, no way in hell am I a millennial.
 
2013-03-26 01:40:14 PM
Is Subway the go-to place for wraps?  I honestly don't know but then I haven't set foot in one in about 20 years...
 
2013-03-26 01:58:21 PM
Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.
 
2013-03-26 02:10:13 PM
fishay fishaaaay
 
2013-03-26 03:00:14 PM
The last time I bought food from McDonald's, it was nasty. If they want to appeal to those who don't eat there, maybe they should worry about the quality of what they serve rather than the variety.
 
2013-03-26 03:03:23 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.


Just a heads up, you might be overestimating the cleanliness of the mom and pops relative to fast food.  McDonalds, why full of shiatty teenagers who don't care making the food (though much less nowadays ime, lots of failed retirees instead who take a little more pride in their work), and any other franchise like that, is going to be a little bit more organized with regards to manager oversight and training.  Not to mention simple design of the layout, which can have a huge effect on whether the cooks bother following the rules they are supposed to.
 
2013-03-26 03:37:50 PM
Smackledorfer:
Just a heads up, you might be overestimating the cleanliness of the mom and pops relative to fast food.  McDonalds, why full of shiatty teenagers who don't care making the food (though much less nowadays ime, lots of failed retirees instead who take a little more pride in their work), and any other franchise like that, is going to be a little bit more organized with regards to manager oversight and training.  Not to mention simple design of the layout, which can have a huge effect on whether the cooks bother following the rules they are supposed to.


I agree. All I mentioned was that the food was better quality.
However, I still believe McDonald's probably has some piss-poor health cleanliness.
 
2013-03-26 04:09:40 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.


Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.
 
2013-03-26 04:26:46 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: L.D. Ablo: The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Yeah, this.  You can find inexpensive, fast, fresh, local food just about anywhere now, usually provided by recent immigrants in their own traditional cuisines.  And it is farking AWESOME.  Even here in the wastes of northern Canada, I have, within 15 minutes of the house, Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, generalized Central American, Indian (Bengali) and Moroccan restaurants.  All cheap, all good, all run by recent arrivals to Canada.  Why in hell would I go to McDonald's or KFC when I can get a huge bowl of Udon wth veggies, chicken and greens for less than the price of a value meal?


I wouldn't say the food is awesome, but if you have the time required (and it's that not much for a lunch buffet) you can get an all you can eat Chinese for $10 here.  I guess they have figured out that they'll make more money if everyone is paying $10.  It's really clean, food replenished a few times while you are there and pretty good quality compared to other Chinese restaurants in the area.  Plus you can have your choice of dishes, instead of just ordering one of your favorites.  You are shown to a seat, say that you want a water, and go hit the buffet.   BOOM I like it about 3-5 times a year.
Or you can spent $12 and get a great big Mexican plate with chips and salsa for starters.  At this place, you are seated and receive chips and salsa (CNS?) and water by the busboy.  The waiter comes over and takes your order back to the kitchen, but since it's lunch the whole process seems to be sped up.  Unless you're doing a big business lunch and then they're cool to have you sit for a while since the restaurant is only half full.  I like this option also.  My father told me "it only costs a bit more to go first class"

But to spend $8-10 at the McDonalds to fill me up?  That doesn't rate.  Sometimes I get a desire for McD, especially the McRib.  The last time I tried it, I had a coupon for an extra free sandwich if I bought the meal.  I didn't feel too well after eating a quarter pounder, and another as well as fries and a drink.  Seriously, I didn't feel well.
/I sound fat
//never tried the Big Mac
///worked at Mc'Donalds when I was young
 
2013-03-26 04:39:30 PM

kidgenius: HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.

Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.


Hey I resent being called old.  Now get off my lawn!
 
2013-03-26 04:41:57 PM

kidgenius: HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.

Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.


The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?
 
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