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(Advertising Age)   Millennials rank their fave restaurant chains, don't include McDonald's in Top 10 because it's not socially conscious or relevant. MCD to fight back with their Subway buster, the McWrap   (adage.com) divider line 131
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2013-03-25 08:19:58 PM  
The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?
 
2013-03-25 08:50:16 PM  

L.D. Ablo: The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?


Yeah, this.  You can find inexpensive, fast, fresh, local food just about anywhere now, usually provided by recent immigrants in their own traditional cuisines.  And it is farking AWESOME.  Even here in the wastes of northern Canada, I have, within 15 minutes of the house, Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, generalized Central American, Indian (Bengali) and Moroccan restaurants.  All cheap, all good, all run by recent arrivals to Canada.  Why in hell would I go to McDonald's or KFC when I can get a huge bowl of Udon wth veggies, chicken and greens for less than the price of a value meal?
 
2013-03-25 09:01:00 PM  
Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs
 
2013-03-25 09:06:15 PM  
I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?
 
2013-03-25 09:25:08 PM  

GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?


75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.
 
2013-03-25 09:29:54 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: We're still waiting.


Go fark yourself.
 
2013-03-25 09:39:33 PM  
Honestly I think the cuttoff should be around 1985 or 1986.  As someone born in 1983 I have way more in common with people born a few years before me than a few years after me.  Our cultural touchstones are totally different.

Or better yet, the cuttoff should be:  Was your first experience online a BBS or the internet?  If it was BBS you are pre-Millennial, if it was the internet you are Millennial.
 
2013-03-25 09:57:56 PM  

Thoguh: Honestly I think the cuttoff should be around 1985 or 1986.  As someone born in 1983 I have way more in common with people born a few years before me than a few years after me.  Our cultural touchstones are totally different.

Or better yet, the cuttoff should be:  Was your first experience online a BBS or the internet?  If it was BBS you are pre-Millennial, if it was the internet you are Millennial.


I'm right on the edge between Gen-X and Millennial, but I associate more with Gen-X as well.  I never used a BBS, but neither did a lot of people who were late to the online party.  To me a better definition would be cell phones, since phone obsession is one of the defining millennial characteristics.  If you had a cell phone in high school, you're likely a millennial.
 
2013-03-25 10:03:30 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:I'm right on the edge between Gen-X and Millennial, but I associate more with Gen-X as well.  I never used a BBS, but neither did a lot of people who were late to the online party.  To me a better definition would be cell phones, since phone obsession is one of the defining millennial characteristics.  If you had a cell phone in high school, you're likely a millennial.

I think that works just as well.  And is also another example of what I mean when I say a lot more in common with people a few years older than younger.  That was a huge, huge, huge change in how you interacted as a teenager.  And it was something people just a few years younger had that myself and my peers didn't.  And there are many other examples where pre 1985 or so birthdays is totally different than post 1985.
 
2013-03-25 10:11:39 PM  

Thoguh: Honestly I think the cuttoff should be around 1985 or 1986.  As someone born in 1983 I have way more in common with people born a few years before me than a few years after me.  Our cultural touchstones are totally different.

Or better yet, the cuttoff should be:  Was your first experience online a BBS or the internet?  If it was BBS you are pre-Millennial, if it was the internet you are Millennial.


I remember Telnet and I would be classified as Millennial, but I'm a tech geek.
 
2013-03-25 10:22:32 PM  

Thoguh: Honestly I think the cuttoff should be around 1985 or 1986.  As someone born in 1983 I have way more in common with people born a few years before me than a few years after me.  Our cultural touchstones are totally different.

Or better yet, the cuttoff should be:  Was your first experience online a BBS or the internet?  If it was BBS you are pre-Millennial, if it was the internet you are Millennial.


I'm going to vote for 1986, but I never had access to BBS that I recall.
 
2013-03-25 10:45:42 PM  

GAT_00: Thoguh: Honestly I think the cuttoff should be around 1985 or 1986.  As someone born in 1983 I have way more in common with people born a few years before me than a few years after me.  Our cultural touchstones are totally different.

Or better yet, the cuttoff should be:  Was your first experience online a BBS or the internet?  If it was BBS you are pre-Millennial, if it was the internet you are Millennial.

I'm going to vote for 1986, but I never had access to BBS that I recall.


Do text based MUDs/MUSHes or Usenet count?
 
2013-03-25 10:55:58 PM  
I was born in 77 and consider myself Gen X. But I also grew up in the sticks so getting our road paved was a huge deal to us. We still had a "party line" telephone. Hell, I probably have more in common with people born in the 50's than most born in the 70's.
 
2013-03-26 12:43:19 AM  
Either the marketeers at McD's didn't think this through, or they're embracing hipster meta-self-irony. I mean, really, say "McWrap" fast a couple times.
 
2013-03-26 12:46:25 AM  
I've eaten more McDonald's in the past year than I had in a long time.

Because I moved to South Dakota.

Aw.
 
2013-03-26 12:46:50 AM  
How can food not be relevant? If you are hungry and eat it, does it make you not hungry? If the answer is yes, then it is relevant.
 
2013-03-26 12:47:52 AM  
I like how the article doesn't tell what the Top 10 restaurants for Millennials are for comparison.  That way you can try and guess.
 
2013-03-26 12:50:00 AM  
I consider myself between X and Y (1979)
 
2013-03-26 12:54:44 AM  
working for that clown was the worst way to spend the summer of 1991
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-03-26 12:58:18 AM  

L.D. Ablo: McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.


Which is based on what exactly?  You looking into a store at 3am in the morning?  McDonalds is number two in revenue per store which contradicts your opinion that they are empty.  And the total sales of McDonalds is still three times its nearest competitor - which is Subway.  In-n-out shows up around 45.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

/you would of made a better argument if you used Chipotle
//hmmm... love Chipotle
 
2013-03-26 01:13:34 AM  
Nobody gives a shiat about the millenials.  They have no jobs, no future, no money, nothing going for them.  Fark them.  They're not economically viable.
 
2013-03-26 01:17:07 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I like how the article doesn't tell what the Top 10 restaurants for Millennials are for comparison.  That way you can try and guess.


Apparently McDonalds believes they're big fans of Subway .

/ fancy.
 
2013-03-26 01:17:15 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Nobody gives a shiat about the millenials.  They have no jobs, no future, no money, nothing going for them.  Fark them.  They're not economically viable.


They should be studied to see what nutrients they have that can be extracted for our use.
 
2013-03-26 01:21:44 AM  
 If you're going to continue to make shiatty food, at least follow Banquet TV dinners recipe for success and give everyone a full value meal of shiat for 99 cents.

2.bp.blogspot.com Believe it or not but Banquet TV dinner country fried chicken slop tastes better than Mcdonalds bone dry breaded chicken creations. The mashed potatoes on the other hand taste more like stale oatmeal.
 
2013-03-26 01:24:31 AM  
Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?
 
2013-03-26 01:25:27 AM  

Theory Of Null: follow Banquet TV dinners recipe for success and give everyone a full value meal of shiat for 99 cents.


Put that in a 'wrap', and you've got something there.

/ hate wraps
 
2013-03-26 01:26:25 AM  

gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.


First, i would expect a burrito at a Chinese place to be shiat. But seriously...

It's McDonald's....it's a food delivery system... they make it as sterile and consistent because it's profitable. They don't see us as a person, they see us as a number. The system is only going to get more complex but it will seem simpler because of our consumer profiles we're building on facebook, FARK and BUZZFEED. *given purely as examples as places to mine information.

I goto that chinese place because they know me, they let me use my chinese, i get the food i want that's not on the menu.
I goto that greek place because they know me, they give me extra food because i'm nice to them
I goto that dinner because they make that dessert my wife likes from scratch
I goto that McDonald's because it's next to the Highway between meetings and A&W or Taco Bell are too far off highway
 
2013-03-26 01:28:20 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: not

economically viable.


www.personal.psu.edu
 
2013-03-26 01:28:40 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?


Well I see the fattening of America is still progressing nicely, regardless of their like or dislike of McDonald's.
 
2013-03-26 01:28:47 AM  

gingerjet: L.D. Ablo: McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Which is based on what exactly?  You looking into a store at 3am in the morning?  McDonalds is number two in revenue per store which contradicts your opinion that they are empty.  And the total sales of McDonalds is still three times its nearest competitor - which is Subway.  In-n-out shows up around 45.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

/you would of made a better argument if you used Chipotle
//hmmm... love Chipotle


I've never eaten at a Chipotle, but I've gone to Moe's plenty of times, which I believe is similar.  It's good for what it is - assembly line Mexican food made with better ingredients than what you get at a fast food place.

I can still get better food from the non-chain place in the strip-mall by my neighborhood, and I can't recall a taco shop or Chinese takeout that took more than ten or fifteen minutes max to have my order ready from the time I walked in.  Sure, the independently owned places can be a bit hit or miss, and I've gone to some where I've received absolutely horrible food, but the hits seem to happen a lot more than the misses from my experience.

Fast food and chains are good for consistency if that's what you're after, but that isn't as big of a draw to younger people.  If you have a minivan full of screaming kids that you just want to feed with minimal hassle, the chains are solid bets.  If it's you and a couple buddies or just yourself solo and you can just pull up Yelp or City Lens on your phone, you can almost always find something a lot better for similar or less money.
 
2013-03-26 01:34:20 AM  

Shazam999: Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?

Well I see the fattening of America is still progressing nicely, regardless of their like or dislike of McDonald's.


A few of those certainly appeal to the 'just strap on the feed bag' crowd, but not all are bad.  Ruby Tuesday has a nice salad bar so you can make what you want, Red Lobster isn't bad if you don't get the platter of everything deep fried or drowning in butter, and Panera Bread has a nice half sandwich and soup lunch combo that's just right for not weighing you down, plus they have a veggie sandwich that's satisfying even for unabashed meat eaters like myself.

As for Olive Garden and Chilis... who knows.  I guess there are still areas in flyover country that don't have any decent Italian or Mexican/Tex-Mex food.
 
2013-03-26 02:06:22 AM  
Also not socially conscious or relevant: the opinions of milennials.

/born in '83
//read an article written by someone born in '91 who said they "couldn't live without twitter"
///was online on a BBS with a 14.4 before these kids were alive, don't you farking dare lump me in with them
////inb4 2800 baud phone-tone get-off-my-lawners
//i feel much more kinship with you than with these little shiats
 
2013-03-26 02:29:04 AM  
The entirety of that article reeks of shiatty corporate buzzwords and out-of-touch adspeak. Alternatively, my generation probably is that obnoxious and easily-led.
 
2013-03-26 02:45:42 AM  
If you want "fast" food at a good price, eat locally and get to know the people who run the places.  Just call ahead when you're on your way and place your order, so it's ready when you get there.  Most places are totally cool with phone-ahead orders.
 
2013-03-26 03:07:13 AM  
Fast food chain restaurants I prefer over McDonalds (in no particular order):

Arby's
Wendy's
Five Guys
Steak and Shake
Dairy Queen
Subway
Zaxby's
Q'doba
Chipotle
Little Caesar's
Panera
Jason's Deli

So McDonald's doesn't even break my top 10 fast food chains, let alone all chain restaurants.  Speaking of chain restaurants, the Ruby Tuesday near where I used to live in Nashville always had some great burgers.  They tasted like fresh ground beef, unlike the Chili's, Applebees, or TGIFs near where I lived.

I wouldn't rank McDonalds because it's crap.  Not because of social relevancy.  I'd say the fact that McDonalds ranks number one overall, but doesn't even register top 10 with Millennials, says more about everybody else's lack of taste than it does Millinneals'.
 
2013-03-26 03:08:45 AM  
Am I the only person who hates the name "millennial?"  It makes them sound like a damn flower.  Which doesn't help the stereotype one bit.  Gen Y is fine, if uninspired.

'83 baby here.  First console was an Atari 2600 (we weren't THAT well off, and Atari gave them a second run about '87 as a cheaper alternative to the NES)  First Internet access was AOHell via 28.8k modem about 1996.  Actually did not have a cell phone until 2006, got along fine with e-mail and AIM in college and didn't want another bill until parents crammed one down my throat, now I have an iPhone that I'm addicted to.

Considering a lot of late 70's/early 80's stuff lasted well into the 90's via reruns, repackaging, hand-me-downs, etc.  it's not surprising there's overlap.  Probably helped kick off the nostalgia craze as well.

/but...but...I MUST BE CLASSIFIED INTO AN EASILY DISTINGUISHED, MARKETABLE STEREOTYPE!  LABELS!  LABELS!
 
2013-03-26 03:09:54 AM  
"Country's Biggest Fast Feeder Doesn't Rank in Top 10 Fave Restaurants Among This Huge and Influential Demo"

For some reason this line makes me want to slap the author.
 
2013-03-26 03:30:15 AM  
I thought that there was supposed to be a "Generation Y" between the X-ers of the '60s-70s, and the Millennials, which started variably from '85-90.

Y-ers are supposed to be the unemployable assholes who have no marketable skills in today's economy...neither the discipline of the X-ers (ha!), nor the tech-savvy of the Millennials.

As for chain restaurants, the only ones I go to are Ninety-Nine and Olive Garden, and only because my 92 year-old grandmother and 66 year-old aunt like them...they are very 'meh' to me...okay, but not great.  Actually, as a picky eater, I don't really like chain restaurants since it tends to be a little more difficult to get a meal made "my way"...i.e. local joints tend to be much more accommodating of my requests to leave out certain ingredients that I don't like.  Of course, I could always prepare the meal myself at home and save money, but I am just a lazy Y-er, and that ain't the way we roll.

People go where they are comfortable, and as a very very picky eater myself, I entirely understand that.  In fact, the restaurants I prefer are all Italian, and while all of them are local joints (run almost entirely by Polish people, go figure), I go there because I am comfortable with American-style Italian food.  If I like it, I eat it and patronize their establishment again...if I don't like it, I don't eat it and don't return.  My Gen-Y Chinese-born-and-raised wife actually said that the best Chinese food she had was at a restaurant near Boston owned by a Malaysian woman, where the cooks were all Iranians (and discussing global nuclear policy in English with the owner...that was a very interesting dinner).

I think "chain" and "fast-food" restaurants should also be separate categories.  People go to those places for different reasons.  I go to "fast-food" places usually only when I am traveling and just need a quick bite and get on the road.  A "chain" place is where I will invite someone for a sit-down dinner when I don't know my guest's preferences, or I know that my guest will not enjoy other, more "local" places, or is not an adventurous eater (like I am, and I appreciate it when my hosts do the same to me when I am in an unfamiliar place).

/born 1980.
//consider myself Gen-Y.
///unemployed asshole.
 
2013-03-26 03:30:43 AM  

grinding_journalist: Also not socially conscious or relevant: the opinions of milennials.

/born in '83
//read an article written by someone born in '91 who said they "couldn't live without twitter"
///was online on a BBS with a 14.4 before these kids were alive, don't you farking dare lump me in with them
////inb4 2800 baud phone-tone get-off-my-lawners
//i feel much more kinship with you than with these little shiats


2400 baud (300, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, etc). I felt like I was blazing fast with my 14.4k modem... when the BBS had that speed.

As for the story, I just recently had McD's after not having it for about six months. It was underwhelming.  I knew what to expect and it was still underwhelming and now sort of overpriced.

/'78, represent
 
2013-03-26 03:41:33 AM  

gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.


I doubt those places would stay in business if the service and food was as bad as you are making them out to be. I'll take the local burger place where the food is cooked to order over McDonalds where the patties have been cooked and setting in a warmer for 30 minutes.
 
2013-03-26 03:49:41 AM  
I admit I grab the 1.29 double cheeseburger from time to time.

I also like the fries if fresh.

Other than that I think this thread was done in one.
 
2013-03-26 03:53:45 AM  

gingerjet: L.D. Ablo: McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Which is based on what exactly?  You looking into a store at 3am in the morning?  McDonalds is number two in revenue per store which contradicts your opinion that they are empty.  And the total sales of McDonalds is still three times its nearest competitor - which is Subway.  In-n-out shows up around 45.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

/you would of made a better argument if you used Chipotle
//hmmm... love Chipotle


I like how you claim to know others' local joints.

I am on the 9th different city in my life and they ALL have a good, quick, cheap joint that blows mcdonalds away.

Where do you live that does not?
 
2013-03-26 03:59:38 AM  
I haven't been forced to eat McCrap since I got my current job a year ago.

At least it was a hot meal I could afford for 2 or 3 bucks.
 
2013-03-26 04:17:06 AM  

Twitch Boy: Am I the only person who hates the name "millennial?"  It makes them sound like a damn flower.  Which doesn't help the stereotype one bit.  Gen Y is fine, if uninspired.

'83 baby here.  First console was an Atari 2600 (we weren't THAT well off, and Atari gave them a second run about '87 as a cheaper alternative to the NES)  First Internet access was AOHell via 28.8k modem about 1996.  Actually did not have a cell phone until 2006, got along fine with e-mail and AIM in college and didn't want another bill until parents crammed one down my throat, now I have an iPhone that I'm addicted to.

Considering a lot of late 70's/early 80's stuff lasted well into the 90's via reruns, repackaging, hand-me-downs, etc.  it's not surprising there's overlap.  Probably helped kick off the nostalgia craze as well.

/but...but...I MUST BE CLASSIFIED INTO AN EASILY DISTINGUISHED, MARKETABLE STEREOTYPE!  LABELS!  LABELS!


Born in '84 and a lot of the same sentiments here. First console I played was an Atari at a friend's house. First internet experience was AOL 28.8k dial-up right around '96 too. Halfway through high school, I got a (cheapo) cell phone. Junior year of college, Facebook (in its earliest form) opened up to our school. I often feel like I have one foot in X and one foot in Y but can't identify completely with either of them.

/I know, CSB, but it's good to know other early 80's babies feel this too.
 
2013-03-26 04:47:11 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I like how the article doesn't tell what the Top 10 restaurants for Millennials are for comparison.  That way you can try and guess.




I guess Subway is one, since the claim is that McDonalds is catering to the crowd that prefers them.

Subway seems worse to me than McDonalds. At least McDonalds is honest about what it is.
 
2013-03-26 05:00:23 AM  
I don't care what you say, McDonalds is the best deal for a nice greasy breakfast out there. The sausage egg and cheese McGriddle and a $1 large coffee may as well be crack, I ain't right if I don't get my medicine....
 
2013-03-26 05:04:57 AM  
Two all beef patties indeed.
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

This is what happens when you have old people try to use "hip lingo". They get it wrong and wind up screwing the cheeseburger.
 
2013-03-26 05:06:59 AM  

gingerjet: L.D. Ablo: McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Which is based on what exactly?  You looking into a store at 3am in the morning?  McDonalds is number two in revenue per store which contradicts your opinion that they are empty.  And the total sales of McDonalds is still three times its nearest competitor - which is Subway.  In-n-out shows up around 45.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

/you would of made a better argument if you used Chipotle
//hmmm... love Chipotle


McDonalds ows Chipotle IIRC
 
2013-03-26 05:07:52 AM  
owns.  I'm too high
 
2013-03-26 05:09:47 AM  

ReapTheChaos: gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

I doubt those places would stay in business if the service and food was as bad as you are making them out to be. I'll take the local burger place where the food is cooked to order over McDonalds where the patties have been cooked and setting in a warmer for 30 minutes.




You never had a chain fast food job in high school did you? McDonald's are milant about food safety. Hold times on burger patties are much lower then 30 minutes
 
2013-03-26 05:18:22 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?


Is it just me, or does that list seem to be the "who has the most commercials on TV?"   Advertise, and millennials will come.  Are they just a bunch of highly suggestible morons?
 
2013-03-26 05:23:10 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: ReapTheChaos: gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

I doubt those places would stay in business if the service and food was as bad as you are making them out to be. I'll take the local burger place where the food is cooked to order over McDonalds where the patties have been cooked and setting in a warmer for 30 minutes.

You never had a chain fast food job in high school did you? McDonald's are milant about food safety. Hold times on burger patties are much lower then 30 minutes


Nope, never worked at a fast food joint in my life, but I know what a burger fresh off the grill tastes like compared to a lukewarm one, which is what you get when you go there.
 
2013-03-26 05:53:24 AM  
Living in DC I havent eaten 'fast food' in close to 8 months. Way too many excellent quick options for food around here that isn't one of the big five... McD, BK, Taco, Wendys, KFC.

My wife and I found a little Indian place near Verizon Center a few weeks ago that was basically an ethnic version of Chipotle and was out-farking-standing!
 
2013-03-26 06:26:56 AM  
Their only hope is a McRedBull.

/McDonald's has gone down hill since the FDA forced them to stop putting cocaine in Big Macs.
 
2013-03-26 07:40:09 AM  
There is precisely one Mickey D's within 30 miles of my house, and I have it on good authority that the only reasons it's still around are Happy Meals, and the permanent addition to their menu of the malevolently addictive Ribwich. Between the dominance of Whataburger and the recent incursion of Five Guys, I'm surprised they've managed to stick it out this long.

I'm willing to admit that I patronize it once a year, for their Super Bowl McNugget deal. They're not anywhere near as good as, say, Wendy's, but you can't beat 50 nuggets for $5.
 
2013-03-26 07:55:57 AM  
McDonald's is trading at its 52 week high, thanks to people with no taste buds like gingerjet.

For all others who want grease that tastes good, there's

aht.seriouseats.com
 
2013-03-26 07:57:06 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.


I was a millennial back in college ('03-ish). I'm 32 now. ...still a millennial. People forget it's 20-friggin-13. Gen X'ers are like 47 years old. Baby Boomers are in their 60's. It's not 1995 anymore.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:54 AM  
Advice to McDonalds: the "new sincerity" is not actually a thing that Millenials believe in.  When they told you that they prefer Subway because they can customize their sandwich, they were being sarcastic.
 
2013-03-26 08:03:55 AM  
I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?
 
2013-03-26 08:12:27 AM  

sure haven't: rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.

I was a millennial back in college ('03-ish). I'm 32 now. ...still a millennial. People forget it's 20-friggin-13. Gen X'ers are like 47 years old. Baby Boomers are in their 60's. It's not 1995 anymore.


Even the article gave an age range of 18-32, which would be people born from 1981-1995.
 
2013-03-26 08:18:02 AM  
Right. Look, here we go-

tfw.cachefly.net

You do have a bump around the 20-24 bracket which I guess gets to be called something, but it really isn't much of a bump. It's a paradox that the demographic glitch that occurred when male people came back from the second world war and started making babies again without having another war to disrupt things inspired a bunch of branding-theory wankers to start thinking in terms of generations.
 
2013-03-26 08:21:29 AM  
Olive Garden - Gick
Chili's - I had fajitas once, okay
Red Lobster - Gack
Applebee's - Oof
Outback - Meh
Texas Roadhouse - Never heard of it
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's - Friday's is just OK
Roadhouse - Never heard of it
Ruby Tuesday - I used to drink in the one in the mall, it's closed now
Red Robin - Yumm
Panera Bread  - Not bad, a little pricey
 
2013-03-26 08:42:54 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Advice to McDonalds: the "new sincerity" is not actually a thing that Millenials believe in.  When they told you that they prefer Subway because they can customize their sandwich, they were being sarcastic.


Actually, it's not being sarcastic. As a general rule, the whole customization thing IS a big part of the marketing equation for Millenials ("I have to make everythng my own"). This is why you have stores and kiosks solely dedicated to different themes and covers for electronic gizmos. And it's something that Toyota learned very quickly with the Scion line of cars...you don't make a "car" for  this generation, you make a platform that you can easily plug in various customizable parts at the dealership. And I think that is the zeitgiest that Dr. Pepper is trying to latch on to with their current ad (for what it's worth).

Just look at all of the skins available for the xBox, Something that kind of sits quietly in a dark corner of your shelf. 15 years ago, no one would've thought that putting sticker decals on your home entertainment system would be a sellable idea.

*********

Now, on the other hand, there's absolutely no way McDonald's can compete in the customization of food products and keep their margins that they love. Their business is factory line speed. So good luck with that.
 
2013-03-26 08:48:26 AM  
Olive Garden - Pass
Chili's - Chicken Enchilada soup. That is all.
Red Lobster - Cheddar biscuits. That is all.
Applebee's - Pass
Outback - OK, but I tend to only go there socially.
Texas Roadhouse - I'm partial to free peanuts for an appetizer, food's good too.
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's - No CF nearby, TGIF is decent.
Roadhouse - Not sure. I know of a Logan's Roadhouse, it was Meh(near carbon copy of Texas Roadhouse w/out the flavors)
Ruby Tuesday - I honestly need to give this one another chance, haven't been in over 5 years.
Red Robin - Never been.
Panera Bread  - I'm a fan of their soup/sandwich lunch combos.
 
2013-03-26 08:49:37 AM  
Freddy's steakburgers
 
2013-03-26 09:53:47 AM  
Not a single one of these things has less than a full gram of sodium in them.  Is it really necessary to do this McDonalds?

I enjoy salt as much as the next guy, but I promise you that halving the total in there wouldn't impact the taste that much, and I'd probably eat an extra one a month if you did this.
 
2013-03-26 09:54:30 AM  
'83er here.

I eat Mickey D's. Love the angus burgers and the Filet O' Fishes. Want to get me to eat more? Start using real cheese and make the buns healthier. There's like 5 pounds of lard in those bad boys.

Also, stay away from ALEC and other derpshiat political affiliations.
 
2013-03-26 09:55:36 AM  

dr.zaeus: Not a single one of these things has less than a full gram of sodium in them.  Is it really necessary to do this McDonalds?

I enjoy salt as much as the next guy, but I promise you that halving the total in there wouldn't impact the taste that much, and I'd probably eat an extra one a month if you did this.


This too.
 
2013-03-26 09:56:39 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?



A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.
 
2013-03-26 09:58:08 AM  
Investing tip:  don't ever bet against McDonald's.
 
2013-03-26 10:17:40 AM  

BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?


A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.


Yummy.

I hate to be a food snob, but expensive grass fed beef from small time farmers is the only way to go.
 
2013-03-26 10:44:48 AM  
So they're reintroducing the Snack Wrap?

fastfood.ocregister.com
 
2013-03-26 10:57:42 AM  
McD's has gone ethnic, just like Chuck E Cheese, fo shizzle
 
2013-03-26 11:00:19 AM  

INeedAName: Living in DC I havent eaten 'fast food' in close to 8 months. Way too many excellent quick options for food around here that isn't one of the big five... McD, BK, Taco, Wendys, KFC.

My wife and I found a little Indian place near Verizon Center a few weeks ago that was basically an ethnic version of Chipotle and was out-farking-standing!


Name of Indian place please?

If you ever make it out to Tyson's Corner mall, try The Mixing Bowl, it's a Korean Chipolte and pretty good.  Also try Shophouse in Dupont Circle, it literally is the asian chipolte (started by the Chipolte guy after returning from a trip to Vietnam or something)
 
2013-03-26 11:02:08 AM  

jdmac: Two all beef patties indeed.
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 408x193]

This is what happens when you have old people try to use "hip lingo". They get it wrong and wind up screwing the cheeseburger.


Well, if he works there, I hope he at least washes his hands after.
 
2013-03-26 11:08:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: I just can't figure out what is going on with their "beef". Who's Whose idea was it to make the meat dry, bland, and nearly indigestible?


A new cattle drug called Zilmax is being widely used in the industrial feedlots where most of America's beef comes from, but not because it produces a better sirloin. In fact, it has been shown to make steak less flavorful and juicy than beef from untreated cattle. Many feedlot owners, big meatpackers, and at least one prominent industry group resisted the drug, worrying that the beef industry would turn off consumers if it started churning out lower-quality steaks.

So what accounts for the sudden popularity of Zilmax? Zilmax is a highly effective growth drug, and it makes cattle swell up with muscle in the final weeks of their lives. And despite concerns within the industry, the economics of modern beef production have made the rise of Zilmax all but inevitable.

Originally developed to treat asthma in humans, it was later found to be a "repartitioning agent" in cattle, changing the animals' metabolism so they produce more muscle instead of fat. While this can boost the amount of meat per carcass, it can remove the very qualities that people like about beef, like the fatty marbling that adds juiciness and flavor. In 2006, Intervet Inc., the company that originally made Zilmax, won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use it in the food supply, even after noting in its application to the FDA that "overall tenderness, juiciness, flavor intensity and beef flavor were all statistically different [in Zilmax-treated beef] compared to controls.

Yummy.

I hate to be a food snob, but expensive grass fed beef from small time farmers is the only way to go.


My GF and I have been trying this.  There's a lot of farmers in our area, for produce, dairy, and meat.

But it's soooo farking expensive.  I just can't justify it sometimes.  I can get a pork shoulder roast for .99/lb at the grocery store.  I just can't pay $8/lb for farm raised, no matter how much better it might be.  (The $8/lb is from one local place, I hope prices are lower elsewhere).
 
2013-03-26 11:16:43 AM  
Here's roughly how this will go:
"Hey, welcome to mcdonalds, my life is hopeless, and you're a hipster douchebag. What do you want?"
"Hey, since i'm a hipster douchebag I want one of those wrap thingies that hipster douchebags eat."
"Ok, we have one of those! we even let you customize it- do you want chicken, chicken or chicken?"
"Seriously? that is sooo lame. I want pasteurized processed pork substitute. I'm out of this dump."

Seriously? Their idea of 'customization' is 3 different kinds of chicken? What about other meats like beef or pork? what about a vegetarian offering? c'mon!
 
2013-03-26 11:17:15 AM  

panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs


t.qkme.me
/fat cow etc...
 
2013-03-26 11:41:21 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs

[t.qkme.me image 310x245]
/fat cow etc...


Cheese Weasel, let me show you how to do Ramsay properly.
 
2013-03-26 12:33:08 PM  
panfried: Don't want over processed chicken McCrap. Give us fresh, minimally processed, never frozen, no chemical preservation, steroid and antibiotic free, filler free, locally produced  f***ing FOOD!

/ffs


The farmers market has crappy hours you know.
 
2013-03-26 12:47:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread


I suspect that survey excluded fast food places. I doubt people in their twenties frequent sit-down places more than fast food.

And regarding TFA:
1) The article is about a top ten list. And they tell us NONE of the entries? WTF?
2) Can McDonalds really be off the list if, as the article claims, "29% of all millennials' quick-service visits" are for burgers?
 
2013-03-26 12:50:20 PM  

born_yesterday: But it's soooo farking expensive. I just can't justify it sometimes. I can get a pork shoulder roast for .99/lb at the grocery store. I just can't pay $8/lb for farm raised, no matter how much better it might be. (The $8/lb is from one local place, I hope prices are lower elsewhere).


Sounds about right. Maybe look for a CSA program to join to help with costs. I can't do it all the time either, but damn do I enjoy it when I can.
 
2013-03-26 12:51:15 PM  
Aren't "wraps" a thing for those middle-aged people who can't stop yammering about "carbs"? You'd think for millennials you'd want something tastier and ethnic. Like a McBanhMi or a McBentoBox or something.
 
2013-03-26 12:54:45 PM  
I challenge anyone to come up with a wrap that is the same physical size of one of McDonald's wrap and has as much fat or sodium while still being recognizable and edible. It's nearly impossible.
 
2013-03-26 01:01:31 PM  

Cluckity: I challenge anyone to come up with a wrap that is the same physical size of one of McDonald's wrap and has as much fat or sodium while still being recognizable and edible. It's nearly impossible.


Wrap a quarter pound stick of salted lard in a tortilla? Sounds easy enough to me.
 
2013-03-26 01:15:14 PM  
their ability to be able to personalize their food experience

That sounds dumb. I personalize my food experience by eating the food.
 
2013-03-26 01:15:54 PM  

jaytkay: Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

I suspect that survey excluded fast food places. I doubt people in their twenties frequent sit-down places more than fast food.

And regarding TFA:
1) The article is about a top ten list. And they tell us NONE of the entries? WTF?
2) Can McDonalds really be off the list if, as the article claims, "29% of all millennials' quick-service visits" are for burgers?


Table service restaurants vs McD. Apples to hand grenades. Funny thing is hearing the word 'restaurant'  on TV ads for McD and Subway... who really considers these places a restaurant?
 
2013-03-26 01:25:04 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.


Odd. When I was younger, they told me I was a Gen Y-er.  Did that just get folded into Millenial?
 
2013-03-26 01:32:10 PM  

verbaltoxin: McDonald's is trading at its 52 week high, thanks to people with no taste buds like gingerjet.

For all others who want grease that tastes good, there's

[aht.seriouseats.com image 500x333]


oh GOD. Ewww.

/Surprised 5Guys isn't on that list. I love that place.
 
2013-03-26 01:35:44 PM  

GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?


That.  I'm 36, no way in hell am I a millennial.
 
2013-03-26 01:40:14 PM  
Is Subway the go-to place for wraps?  I honestly don't know but then I haven't set foot in one in about 20 years...
 
2013-03-26 01:58:21 PM  
Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.
 
2013-03-26 02:10:13 PM  
fishay fishaaaay
 
2013-03-26 03:00:14 PM  
The last time I bought food from McDonald's, it was nasty. If they want to appeal to those who don't eat there, maybe they should worry about the quality of what they serve rather than the variety.
 
2013-03-26 03:03:23 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.


Just a heads up, you might be overestimating the cleanliness of the mom and pops relative to fast food.  McDonalds, why full of shiatty teenagers who don't care making the food (though much less nowadays ime, lots of failed retirees instead who take a little more pride in their work), and any other franchise like that, is going to be a little bit more organized with regards to manager oversight and training.  Not to mention simple design of the layout, which can have a huge effect on whether the cooks bother following the rules they are supposed to.
 
2013-03-26 03:37:50 PM  
Smackledorfer:
Just a heads up, you might be overestimating the cleanliness of the mom and pops relative to fast food.  McDonalds, why full of shiatty teenagers who don't care making the food (though much less nowadays ime, lots of failed retirees instead who take a little more pride in their work), and any other franchise like that, is going to be a little bit more organized with regards to manager oversight and training.  Not to mention simple design of the layout, which can have a huge effect on whether the cooks bother following the rules they are supposed to.


I agree. All I mentioned was that the food was better quality.
However, I still believe McDonald's probably has some piss-poor health cleanliness.
 
2013-03-26 04:09:40 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.


Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.
 
2013-03-26 04:26:46 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: L.D. Ablo: The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Yeah, this.  You can find inexpensive, fast, fresh, local food just about anywhere now, usually provided by recent immigrants in their own traditional cuisines.  And it is farking AWESOME.  Even here in the wastes of northern Canada, I have, within 15 minutes of the house, Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, generalized Central American, Indian (Bengali) and Moroccan restaurants.  All cheap, all good, all run by recent arrivals to Canada.  Why in hell would I go to McDonald's or KFC when I can get a huge bowl of Udon wth veggies, chicken and greens for less than the price of a value meal?


I wouldn't say the food is awesome, but if you have the time required (and it's that not much for a lunch buffet) you can get an all you can eat Chinese for $10 here.  I guess they have figured out that they'll make more money if everyone is paying $10.  It's really clean, food replenished a few times while you are there and pretty good quality compared to other Chinese restaurants in the area.  Plus you can have your choice of dishes, instead of just ordering one of your favorites.  You are shown to a seat, say that you want a water, and go hit the buffet.   BOOM I like it about 3-5 times a year.
Or you can spent $12 and get a great big Mexican plate with chips and salsa for starters.  At this place, you are seated and receive chips and salsa (CNS?) and water by the busboy.  The waiter comes over and takes your order back to the kitchen, but since it's lunch the whole process seems to be sped up.  Unless you're doing a big business lunch and then they're cool to have you sit for a while since the restaurant is only half full.  I like this option also.  My father told me "it only costs a bit more to go first class"

But to spend $8-10 at the McDonalds to fill me up?  That doesn't rate.  Sometimes I get a desire for McD, especially the McRib.  The last time I tried it, I had a coupon for an extra free sandwich if I bought the meal.  I didn't feel too well after eating a quarter pounder, and another as well as fries and a drink.  Seriously, I didn't feel well.
/I sound fat
//never tried the Big Mac
///worked at Mc'Donalds when I was young
 
2013-03-26 04:39:30 PM  

kidgenius: HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.

Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.


Hey I resent being called old.  Now get off my lawn!
 
2013-03-26 04:41:57 PM  

kidgenius: HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.

Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.


The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?
 
2013-03-26 04:43:41 PM  

jaytkay: 2) Can McDonalds really be off the list if, as the article claims, "29% of all millennials' quick-service visits" are for burgers?


Because McDonald's is the ONLY place to get a quick-service burgers.  Burger King, Dairy Queen, Wendy's, Culver's, Five Guys, In-and-Out, Jack in the Box, Whataburger, A&W, Hardee's, Carl's Jr., Rally's, Checkers, Fatburger, Hesburger, Krystal, White Castle, MOS Burger, Backyard Burger, Steak and Shake, and anything else is just a figment of your imagination and you're really at a McDonald's.
 
2013-03-26 04:49:28 PM  

mechgreg: kidgenius: HellRaisingHoosier: Millennials = early 1980's to early 2000's
Most of the 70's kids were all into grunge and shiat. Instead of feeling depressed we watching Power Rangers and had the Internet available. I was born in 1985 so am near the front of my generation.

McDonald's problem is a logic issue. Why would I pay $5-6 for the poorest of food quality, the poorest of health quality and the poorest of cleanliness quality; when I can go to the grocery or another local food place and get twice as much food for at a much better quality for the same price? McDonald's either needs to drastically reduce its prices and keep the same shiatty food or pay for better quality products.

Gen-X: cut-off in late 70's
Gen-Y: gen-x to about 85/86
Millenial: gen-y to early 2000's

Gen-Y is crazy short gap, but it is significant. I have about 0 in common with millenials. They are hyper-connected in a way most people in my age group are not. The X'ers are just old people that maybe had an Atari. If your first gaming system was an atari or NES then you are a Gen-Y. If your first system was an SNES or greater, then you are a millenial.

The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?


Gen-X was only about a 10 year span. Millenials are like a 15.
 
2013-03-26 04:50:29 PM  

mechgreg: The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?


There's no clear concept on generations.  The 20 year thing is the statistical "boom" in the population, but I think 20 years is way too long for any cultural definition.  A December 31, 1964 baby would have barely out of diapers for Woodstock and the parents could have been of a legit age and without any memories of WWII.
 
2013-03-26 04:50:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: born_yesterday: But it's soooo farking expensive. I just can't justify it sometimes. I can get a pork shoulder roast for .99/lb at the grocery store. I just can't pay $8/lb for farm raised, no matter how much better it might be. (The $8/lb is from one local place, I hope prices are lower elsewhere).

Sounds about right. Maybe look for a CSA program to join to help with costs. I can't do it all the time either, but damn do I enjoy it when I can.


Not sure if this would be helpful to you, but "eatwild.com" is a pretty cool site.  With a few clicks you can find all of the farms in your area, usually with a link to their website.  Before I searched, I had no idea there were so many farms in Maryland.
 
2013-03-26 05:14:04 PM  

born_yesterday: eatwild.com


Thanks I'll check it out.
 
2013-03-26 05:25:00 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread


Which conflicts with what the TFA says about whaT Millenials want (bottom of the page):

But there are some common themes and values held dear among all millennials.

Fresh and organic food
Variety and customizable products
Social change
Sustainability
Social-savvy brands


Maybe this is what they post on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, but not what they actually end up eating.
 
2013-03-26 05:42:00 PM  

GAT_00: rumpelstiltskin: We're still waiting.

Go fark yourself.


^ THIS
 
2013-03-26 05:50:33 PM  

verbaltoxin: McDonald's is trading at its 52 week high, thanks to people with no taste buds like gingerjet.

For all others who want grease that tastes good, there's

[aht.seriouseats.com image 500x333]


Also, ^ THIS.  Culver's is my go-to "don't have to cook, let's get burgers" place.  Also, my go-to "let's get ice cream" place, despite DQ being 2 blocks away and Culver's being a mile and I'm on foot.

/Yeah, I know it's custard.
 
2013-03-26 07:32:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: L.D. Ablo: The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Yeah, this.  You can find inexpensive, fast, fresh, local food just about anywhere now, usually provided by recent immigrants in their own traditional cuisines.  And it is farking AWESOME.  Even here in the wastes of northern Canada, I have, within 15 minutes of the house, Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, generalized Central American, Indian (Bengali) and Moroccan restaurants.  All cheap, all good, all run by recent arrivals to Canada.  Why in hell would I go to McDonald's or KFC when I can get a huge bowl of Udon wth veggies, chicken and greens for less than the price of a value meal?


My neighborhood in New Orleans has a TON of immigrant-run joints that are as cheap as McDonalds, but actually provide real food. While it's true that you can get something from the dollar value menu, to equal the portions at the local joints would run you $9 at the fast food joints. And it's processed to hell and back.

Most of our foreign take-out joints double as convenience stores, so you can grab beer or smokes or Windex or whatever else you need while you're waiting on your order. Kinda hard to argue with that. Oh, and the staff is invariably far more friendly than your typical McDonald's employee.

 Andouille sausage po-boy - $6, and ready in about 3 minutes.
 
2013-03-26 07:35:02 PM  

Cream of Meat: INeedAName: Living in DC I havent eaten 'fast food' in close to 8 months. Way too many excellent quick options for food around here that isn't one of the big five... McD, BK, Taco, Wendys, KFC.

My wife and I found a little Indian place near Verizon Center a few weeks ago that was basically an ethnic version of Chipotle and was out-farking-standing!

Name of Indian place please?

If you ever make it out to Tyson's Corner mall, try The Mixing Bowl, it's a Korean Chipolte and pretty good.  Also try Shophouse in Dupont Circle, it literally is the asian chipolte (started by the Chipolte guy after returning from a trip to Vietnam or something)


Wait, you've got  two asian Chipotlerestaurants and can't even spell chipotle?
 
2013-03-26 07:43:05 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: GAT_00: I could have sworn millennials cut off at the earliest at 1990, not 1975.

Oh, and was it too hard to include the farking list?

75 sounds a little early, but 90 is late. Wikipedia says it's fuzzy, but tosses out latter 70s or early 80s to 2000 . Which makes sense. We called them millenials because the oldest of them were supposed to start becoming useful people around the turn of the millenium.

/We're still waiting.


Oh c'mon, they've gotten really good at blaming everyone else about why their generation is doing so poorly.

//Occupy Fark!
 
2013-03-26 07:44:33 PM  
All you people exclaiming about local places apparently haven't been a traveler south of the midatlantic states. Franchises win because the local places that are easily found taste like crap. Or in a rare instant they are awesome, and then crap the next time you go. When budgets are limited you go to the place that will give a constant 6 over a 1-10. Especially with the poverty level food of McDs. Around my neighborhood they have a drive through line around the building, with fat farkers eating donuts. Welcome to Florida and it's lack of taste buds. I eat fast food, but stay away from McDs because they lack flavor and the bread has a weird consistency. Well so does the meat for that matter.
 
2013-03-26 07:55:21 PM  

andychrist420: gingerjet: L.D. Ablo: McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Which is based on what exactly?  You looking into a store at 3am in the morning?  McDonalds is number two in revenue per store which contradicts your opinion that they are empty.  And the total sales of McDonalds is still three times its nearest competitor - which is Subway.  In-n-out shows up around 45.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

/you would of made a better argument if you used Chipotle
//hmmm... love Chipotle

McDonalds ows Chipotle IIRC


They sold their share quite a while back.
 
2013-03-26 08:01:00 PM  

Too_many_Brians: All you people exclaiming about local places apparently haven't been a traveler south of the midatlantic states to my regional area that I can claim is definitive of many states. Franchises win because the local places that are easily found taste like crap. Or in a rare instant they are awesome, and then crap the next time you go. When budgets are limited you go to the place that will give a constant 6 over a 1-10. Especially with the poverty level food of McDs. Around my neighborhood they have a drive through line around the building, with fat farkers eating donuts. Welcome to Florida and it's lack of taste buds. I eat fast food, but stay away from McDs because they lack flavor and the bread has a weird consistency. Well so does the meat for that matter.


My regional local eateries are quite consistent, and therefore my surrounding 8 state area is likewise consistent.

but i do agree McDs bread is little more than powdered drywall.  you can put it in water and watch it dissolve like kool aid.
 
2013-03-26 08:17:05 PM  

Dafatone: I've eaten more McDonald's in the past year than I had in a long time.

Because I moved to South Dakota.

Aw.


Depending on where in SD, you might be missing out on good grub.
If you're not in Sioux Falls or Rapid City, you're probably hosed.
 
2013-03-26 08:21:53 PM  

Shazam999: Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?

Well I see the fattening of America is still progressing nicely, regardless of their like or dislike of McDonald's.


Red Robin for a decent burger and fries.

Panera for the delicious hidden menu.
 
2013-03-26 08:47:04 PM  
Not just my regional area. 41 states so far and the south east is by far the worst for food. Sure, I was spoiled by living in California for a couple of years. The owners around here either don't give a damn or they have cooked this way for decades and they don't know any better. Just dreadful for the most part
 
2013-03-26 09:25:02 PM  
I like the Angus Deluxe snack wrap. Great for a late lunch
 
2013-03-26 09:36:27 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Here's one survey on those restaurant brands.

In short:

Olive Garden
Chili's
Red Lobster
Applebee's
Outback
Texas Roadhouse
Cheesecake Factory TGI Friday's
Roadhouse
Ruby Tuesday
Red Robin
Panera Bread

/Olive Garden? Seriously?  Is that some sort of hipster ironic thing?


if you're going to go out with your parents, you go to Olive Garden. WHy? it might suck, but you have at least a 50/50 chance of getting actual food.
 
2013-03-26 09:48:29 PM  
As for groups, I was born in 1981. My first gaming system was an NES (apparently before I remember we had an Atari but my parents sold it in a money crunch, NES was the first one I really remember, and know we owned), I have owned and used a black-and-white, OTA TV. I also recall real Saturday Morning Cartoons.

The people just a few years - 85 or 86 - don't remember any of that.

I think my little group - 79-82 or so - could best be called Cuspers - we were a rather numerous group. The first of the Baby Boomers (people who were born in 1946) turned 35 in 1981. So those Boomers who maybe had a child in the early mid 70's as stupid kids were settled down, maybe second spouse, and they had a lot of kids about this time. That was pretty much my Parents' story.
 
2013-03-26 10:04:05 PM  
If your standards are that low, why not just take a dump in a bag and eat that?  Depending on your diet otherwise, it'll probably be more nutritious.
 
2013-03-26 11:38:03 PM  
I was born in '86, had a Sega Genesis, and my first computer used DOS and Windows 3.1. Too young to fit in with the Atari and Commodore 64 crowd, and too old for the Twitter and Facebook (as it exists now and not 7ish years ago when it was practical for college) crowd.

Us mid-80's kids were in a weird gap, and I always liked the Generation Y label more than Millennials. To me, a Millennial is someone with no real memory of what life was like before computers and the internet were ubiquitous. People my age can just barely remember what daily life was like before then, while people born after 1990 usually don't.
 
2013-03-27 01:24:36 AM  

Too_many_Brians: Not just my regional area. 41 states so far and the south east is by far the worst for food. Sure, I was spoiled by living in California for a couple of years. The owners around here either don't give a damn or they have cooked this way for decades and they don't know any better. Just dreadful for the most part


wow, so youve eaten in all the locally owned restaurants in 41 states multiple times to know they are collectively inconsistent compared to all of the chains?  i'll go with your rationale for thinking the chains are better as pure hogwash.
 
2013-03-27 01:38:55 AM  
my first console was odyssey2.

/pick axe pete FTW
 
2013-03-27 02:01:33 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: ReapTheChaos: gingerjet: Perhaps because buying a burrito at the local Mexican or Chinese place means dealing with shiat service and shiattier quality.  And at least with a McDonalds - I'll get my food in under a half hour on a consistent basis.

I doubt those places would stay in business if the service and food was as bad as you are making them out to be. I'll take the local burger place where the food is cooked to order over McDonalds where the patties have been cooked and setting in a warmer for 30 minutes.



You never had a chain fast food job in high school did you? McDonald's are milant about food safety. Hold times on burger patties are much lower then 30 minutes


Why would he let facts get in the way of trying to be a trendy douche?
 
2013-03-27 10:13:04 AM  

12349876: mechgreg: The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?

There's no clear concept on generations.  The 20 year thing is the statistical "boom" in the population, but I think 20 years is way too long for any cultural definition.  A December 31, 1964 baby would have barely out of diapers for Woodstock and the parents could have been of a legit age and without any memories of WWII.


I think we'll see generations getting shorter in the future.  I think of it in terms of cultural and technological development.

/Gen Y - I'm wired, but not nearly to the extent as the milennials such as my younger brother who was born in 89.
 
2013-03-27 02:49:39 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: L.D. Ablo: The McWrap won't change anything.

The problem is the terrible and expensive food.

McDonald's food has been going downhill for decades.  It is as processed and artificial as a Twinkie.  There's a reason why In'n'Out is packed and McDonald's isn't.

Around here, a Big Mac combo is around $7.50-$8.00 with tax.  There's a local Chinese place where you get a big plate of rice and two fresh entrees for $5.25.  A local Mexican place serves huge burritos loaded with fresh toppings for $5.  Why pay more for something that isn't all that good?

Yeah, this.  You can find inexpensive, fast, fresh, local food just about anywhere now, usually provided by recent immigrants in their own traditional cuisines.  And it is farking AWESOME.  Even here in the wastes of northern Canada, I have, within 15 minutes of the house, Chinese, Japanese, Lebanese, generalized Central American, Indian (Bengali) and Moroccan restaurants.  All cheap, all good, all run by recent arrivals to Canada.  Why in hell would I go to McDonald's or KFC when I can get a huge bowl of Udon wth veggies, chicken and greens for less than the price of a value meal?


Udon is not food. And the Japanese Don't really put vegetables or chicken in their udon. I don't even think greens exist over here. In other words, not 'traditional.'
 
2013-03-28 10:08:01 AM  
Considering it costs $10 for a farking burger there who would spend the money.  I'd much rather place a pickup order at a better restaurant and then pick it up.  Costs the same and way better quality.
 
2013-03-28 01:36:48 PM  
Every restaurant in that list sucks.  The locally owned Coney Island is where I go if I want a  decent meal without spending a fortune.
 
2013-03-28 03:03:48 PM  

12349876: mechgreg: The whole concept of generations doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can one generation (Y) last 6 years but the baby boom generation is like a 20 year span?

There's no clear concept on generations.  The 20 year thing is the statistical "boom" in the population, but I think 20 years is way too long for any cultural definition.  A December 31, 1964 baby would have barely out of diapers for Woodstock and the parents could have been of a legit age and without any memories of WWII.


Any generation defined in a way that ones own children could be members of the same generation is clearly flawed.
 
2013-03-28 03:06:04 PM  

Too_many_Brians: All you people exclaiming about local places apparently haven't been a traveler south of the midatlantic states. Franchises win because the local places that are easily found taste like crap. Or in a rare instant they are awesome, and then crap the next time you go. When budgets are limited you go to the place that will give a constant 6 over a 1-10. Especially with the poverty level food of McDs. Around my neighborhood they have a drive through line around the building, with fat farkers eating donuts. Welcome to Florida and it's lack of taste buds. I eat fast food, but stay away from McDs because they lack flavor and the bread has a weird consistency. Well so does the meat for that matter.


When budgets are limited you don't pay people to prepare and serve you. This is possible even when traveling.

I'm not saying I travel on grocery store snacks and PB&J, but then I'm not really buying the argument that a limited budget forces a traveler to go to McDonald's.
 
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