gibbon1: AdolfOliverPanties: I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat? I like him."Didn't hurt his career at all. And that's the way it farking should be.In heaven Liberace smiles down upon you.[l.yimg.com image 620x400]
MadCat221: Like women's suffrage and civil rights before it, the types of people against gay rights will again find themselves on the wrong side of history.
Bumblefark: My vote goes for "AIDS."At least, that seemed to be the turning point in my small corner of the world, from what I can remember. You really couldn't discuss one without the other for quite a while there. AIDS was a horrifying new thing, and it probably did a lot to humanize the gay community to those of us who had no connection to it otherwise. (I was a 10 year old kid living out in the desert in Utah. The endless parade of magazine photos depicting gay men dying of AIDS is about all I knew of them or their lifestyle, at the time.)It also had a way of bringing homophobia out into the open, in a way that it could be looked at and discussed in a critical way. Stupidity like that can really only survive when nobody actually talks about it. I remember being horrified by the ugliness of what came spilling out of the mouths of people I otherwise respected.
HotWingAgenda: freetomato: I could spot a gay man a mile away by 18 (whether you straight men realize it or not, you all do the quick up and down appraisal upon a first meeting - gay men do not)I've gotten the quick up down from pretty much every gay man I've ever met. Either you are not a very attractive man to teh gayz, or you know some guys with ridiculous levels of self control.
Skirl Hutsenreiter: HotWingAgenda: freetomato: I could spot a gay man a mile away by 18 (whether you straight men realize it or not, you all do the quick up and down appraisal upon a first meeting - gay men do not)
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John Buck 41: Atomic Spunk: I seem to remember Elton John coming out long before then, and people still loved him and his music. He didn't really suffer any backlash from coming out. Then again, I was quite young, so maybe I wasn't aware.Didn't Melissa Etheridge come out before Ellen as well?
brantgoose: Naw, you're just slow as a country to adopt progressive or new ideas.Everything progressive or liberal or novel in America has to start at the bottom and bubble its way up through the bossy kindergarten kids who tell their parents what's right and wrong, the urban youth tribes, cartoonists, municipalities and counties, then progressive States, starting in Calfornia or New York or somewhere. Then it gets to the State legislature level and eventually the Republicans in Congress cave and start picking on the next minority on their list of hated minorities, or somebody makes a new kid's cartoon or toy and they go crazy abou commies and preverts making kid's cartoons or toys to corrupt young minds.I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals. Shudder. It must be a minority so universally loathed that even liberals make jokes about them with impunity. Appalachians? Lavians? Or maybe the Government is finally ready to admit that they've been selling people as snack food to the purple people eaters from Zeta ridiculous in the Gramschean Quadrant.Then we'll see real prejudice as the aliens start the long climb from driving cabs to being everyday people.Yep. That's probably it. They're going to unleash the aliens on us like in the movie MIB IV.
JohnnyC: I guess the article isn't referring to me... It's never mattered to me if someone was homosexual or not.
Cymbal: Americans more accepting of homosexuals? Than who?
ciberido: Cymbal: Americans more accepting of homosexuals? Than who?Furries and bronies.
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sunsawed: In a way Ellen's the Wayne Brady of Homophobia. The Reductio ad Absurdum of Homophobia. Defying all the stereotypes, while you get a sense that this is the real deal with no "Uncle Tom-ism", no sucking up. No standing above the Stereotype and condemning those who don't or can't like Bill Cosby. Just being HERSELF and letting people know that person until they recognize it as Cool.
ciberido: One thing about Etheridge before she came out in 1993 were that her songs were pretty gender-neutral. Instead of singing about loving "him", she would sing about loving "you." She was essentially playing the pronoun game in her songwriting, or at least that's how some people saw it.
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